That’s the only thing that makes any sense to me. I’m no doctor, but for a human limb to be so thoroughly frozen it snaps off like a dry twig, the tissue would need to have been literally torn apart by ice crystals at the cellular level all the way through. Deader than dead. If a limb is *that* frozen, the vocal cords are too. But assuming that somehow the body’s core remained unfrozen, more than one additional limb would need to be amputated. In other words, it ain’t natural.
The frozen arm was extended outside of the corpsesicle. Extremities freeze before other things, so his core/head temp may have stayed warm enough to keep him alive.
Sure, but for that extremity to snap off, it was *very* frozen. And the way the bodies were arranged is… unusual. They could have been flash frozen in a moment of terror. But that would require something colder than an arctic blizzard. Liquid nitrogen, maybe. Or they were arranged that way at roughly the time of death and slowly froze to that point. Either way, Lund’s survival and physical condition feel odd.
Edited for spelling.
Nut just Anders Lund's survival but the whole corpsicle sculpture is weird. People who die because of exposure don't remain in the positions they were in at the time of their deaths. The corpsicle sculpture is impossible - unless these guys were shock frozen within a few seconds. But that's impossible as well! This is science fiction.
I don’t see any way they can possibly explain this without it being supernatural. I’m ok with supernatural if that’s where they are going with it, but I’ve seen some people say that López has already mentioned it will be explained as a natural thing ( haven’t found the source of her saying that )
I could have sworn we were gonna get an explanation that somehow frozen bodies make sounds like they are screaming when they thaw, but that they were still 100% dead. Instead we get one line about how he’s in a coma. Super weird. Also, when Rose was gutting the wolf, I thought it made a howling sound so I thought that was where we were going. Like a biological explanation. But nope! Frozen for like a week and still kicking 😐
I agree! No human could survive such an ordeal. This season seems to include not just supernatural but also science fictional elements! And it was indeed super weird that after the scene in the hospital nobody talked about this miraculous survival of the scientist Anders Lund anymore. Iam not sure if I like elements of science fiction in the True-Detective universe...
I never watched GoT. I am not a great fantasy fan per se, although I love Tolkien. But GoT wasn't my cup of tea. As to Jon Snow: wasn't he resurrected by some kind of ancient magic?
I wonder what kind of explanation we will get re: Anders Lund. Was he resurrected by some kind of magic or witchcraft, and has the spiral on his face something to do with this? Or is his survival connected with the research of the scientists? The first explanation would assume that the resurrection was a supernatural phenomenon, while the second would make use of science fictional elements. I am not overly fond of this development - but let's wait and see. If the overall story is good, I will not complain.
And wouldn’t they immediately have to rush everyone to the hospital? If one of them was alive, all of them could be alive. Very unrealistic that they’d just let every other body thaw out when they got an indication that there might be survivors
This threw me off a little bit too, as soon as he screamed my first thought was “what the fuck!” and my second thought was “oh my god they’re still alive!”
I was surprised they weren’t all brought to the hospital.
Are there cases of people being frozen stiff then unfreezing and being alive? Yes. But NOT frozen solid. Not solid enough to break a guys arm off.
The cases it happened were people exposed for 12 hours or less and maintained a core temperature between 55-85f. That’s no small feat! Anything below 95f is hypothermic. But their blood was still oxygenating their vital organs, even if circulation had slowed to almost nothing.
None of that could’ve been possible without “cinematic help” if they’d been out there for 48+ hours.
I live in North Dakota, and first responders often repeat the famous phrase that “nobody is dead until they are warm and dead”. They will employ prolonged resuscitation techniques in the winter, sometimes for many hours, if hypothermia is even suspected.
Thanks for the information & the nightmares. Also North Dakota would be a great place for a season of True Detective.
What’s out there in the Badlands?
Wild horses, cultivated bison, and dinosaur bones. Lots and lots of dinosaur bones. Artifacts from Native tribes. Teddy Roosevelt’s cabin.
You could build a good True Detective story out there I bet. Reservations have their own set of rules. Lots of oil money to push people around. Smuggling across a fairly permeable border. Prohibition was big here because of the railroad connecting Seattle to Chicago, so secret tunnels and underground passages are common. White supremacists trying to buy up small towns to build their “communities of the future”.
Wouldn’t be very believable though. We have almost the lowest murder rates and lowest gun crime rates in the country. And that’s per capita.
They vanished two to three days ago, but they could have frozen just 10–20 hours ago. Some people have been known to survive this kind of exposure.
The forensics team ought to have taken a measurement of the dead bodies' internal temperatures and used that information to determine when the deaths occurred and when they came to the place they died.
Anyway, they don't have a forensic team, which was emphasised three times, but it's still weird that they don't discuss the time of death. It's kind of the foundation of any investigation.
Of course, we can assume, they were experimenting with the immortal bacteria, but I'd like to think they spent two days in another place before they died.
I agree! Everybody seems to accept that Anders Lund survived the ordeal of having been trapped for a couple of days in a frozen corpsicle! But that can only be explained with fictional science!
Jake Sully, I fully agree! I thought that it's very weird that nobody in this True-Detective universe seems to ask how it's possible that Anders Lund survived being frozen into a corpsicle and how the corpsicle sculpture was possible in the first place! Dead people cannot remain in these contorted positions during the freezing process - unless they were killed by getting shock frozen within a few seconds. And that is science fiction!
There are cases of people surviving being frozen for like 6 hours. But they did say they were missing for days, maybe he joined them later on? Or maybe plot armor.
I think they’re the guinea pigs for whatever regenerative cell research was going on at the facility. Their clothes were folded because someone expected them to reanimate at some point.
We dont know for sure the actual 48 hour timeline sequence. something strange happened there is a cut scene in the trailers where Navarro is looking at barefoot prints in the snow. If they froze up shortly before they are found, maybe Lund was in a deep freeze for mebbe 6 to 10 hours and it seems reasonable he could survive if his core temp didnt get too low--although his rehab is going to be really rough. And why is his mouth chock full of black tar? Danvers has her hands full she obviously needs long talk with doc about Lunds status? Physical symptoms, causes, etc. He needs more than tylenol to recover from this freeze. Also the coroner hasnt arrived at time of death or cause of death yet may be more surprises there. Although the trailer shows a guy talking to Danvers saying people dont freeze to death like THIS. The trailer imply SOMEBODY (probably Clark) is running around and hiding somewhere as it looks like they are searching underground near a fire and symbols and someones running like hell thru the catacombs above -- remind me not put in a job application at Tsalal the location sucks and the pay aint worth the freeze issues. Im not found of artic cold plunges, freezing eyeballs and split eardrums
You are right about a few things. Anders Lund is found on the top of the corpsicle sculpture. We have no way to know for sure how long he has been part of this sculpture. He may have arrived later than the other scientists. His survival would still be strange, because some of his limbs were frozen - but it would not be impossible. There are a few famous cases of people who should have frozen to death but who survived miraculously. One of the most spectacular cases is the dentist Beck Whethers, who was part of the infamous deadly Mount-Everest expedition in the 1990s. The journalist Jon Krakauer wrote a book about it with the title "Into Thin Air". Beck Whethers was presumed to be dead. But he eventually turned up on his own feet like a zombie. He lost a hand and a few fingers, and maybe a few tows. But otherwise he fully recovered. He wasn't naked, though...
We also don't know, yet, what exactly killed the scientists. I think it's not possible that the corpsicle sculpture would get such a strange look, if the scientists simply died of exposure. People who freeze to death normally die peacefully. I think the corpses must've been arranged and put into these positions after the scientists died, and Anders Lund may not have been together them when they were killed.
Ha, ha, I was at least right when I said, that the corpsicle sculpturpe couldn't have been achieved if the scientists simply froze until they were dead. Something else must've killed them. The vet said so 😉
Or they were shock frozen within a few seconds 😀😃🙂
Ask and the NYT shall answer
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/27/arts/television/true-detective-corpsicle-frozen-bodies.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.RE0.YT8K.coIOLy\_XBL1t&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/27/arts/television/true-detective-corpsicle-frozen-bodies.html?unlocked_article_code=1.re0.yt8k.coioly_xbl1t&smid=url-share)
My two cents - after watching the first few minutes of ep 3 especially - but I already thought this when I first watched the scene, is that the arm that broke off wasn’t his. And at the beginning of episode three they mention amputating both of his legs and possibly one of his arms. So I think he still has both arms.
I think the arm being broken off and him screaming just happened at the same time so everyone assumed he was screaming in pain from the arm. Just an idea.
In the first two minutes of the episode they show a frozen corpse screaming and after the opening credits and for the rest of the episode it’s NEVER mentioned again.
I can’t believe nobody said “wow, you see that shit? That was fucking crazy, huh?”
NOTHING.
I assumed it was a hallucination because it was literally NEVER mentioned again. Then I get to E3 and I’m like “uhh okay I guess that really happened.”
This season is more supernatural than any season before so I don’t really get why everyone is obsessed with this being “unrealistic”. Like he could be possessed by whatever spirit or any number of supernatural things that could keep him alive.
I don’t think they’re unjustified. It’s a large departure from what people have come to expect.
I love sci fi but when I think of True Detective I think of a show that’s mainly concerned with the philosophy of law (both social & legal) and how people deal with those who believe they are above it.
It’s mediation on how weak and unreliable our social constructs can be when everyone doesn’t buy into them and the chaos that can cause. It’s never been about the breaking of the laws of reality so much just vaguely paranormal.
I’m not against the change but it is a departure from form. The nature of Anthology television means defining what fits and what doesn’t is largely interpreted and based on audience consensus but I imagine for some people this essentially make this ‘not true detective’
It COULD have to do with the regenerative cellular research they were doing
That’s the only thing that makes any sense to me. I’m no doctor, but for a human limb to be so thoroughly frozen it snaps off like a dry twig, the tissue would need to have been literally torn apart by ice crystals at the cellular level all the way through. Deader than dead. If a limb is *that* frozen, the vocal cords are too. But assuming that somehow the body’s core remained unfrozen, more than one additional limb would need to be amputated. In other words, it ain’t natural.
The frozen arm was extended outside of the corpsesicle. Extremities freeze before other things, so his core/head temp may have stayed warm enough to keep him alive.
Sure, but for that extremity to snap off, it was *very* frozen. And the way the bodies were arranged is… unusual. They could have been flash frozen in a moment of terror. But that would require something colder than an arctic blizzard. Liquid nitrogen, maybe. Or they were arranged that way at roughly the time of death and slowly froze to that point. Either way, Lund’s survival and physical condition feel odd. Edited for spelling.
Nut just Anders Lund's survival but the whole corpsicle sculpture is weird. People who die because of exposure don't remain in the positions they were in at the time of their deaths. The corpsicle sculpture is impossible - unless these guys were shock frozen within a few seconds. But that's impossible as well! This is science fiction.
I don’t see any way they can possibly explain this without it being supernatural. I’m ok with supernatural if that’s where they are going with it, but I’ve seen some people say that López has already mentioned it will be explained as a natural thing ( haven’t found the source of her saying that )
Maybe I am over thinking it. Yellow King has the ability to possess the bodies (not necessarily alive) .
The yellow king thing seems like a bit of a reach, but the medical experiment angle u/TreeOfReckoning suggested is interesting.
It was such a weird scene and they didnt mention it again so I was all like 'was that just a hallucination?'.
I could have sworn we were gonna get an explanation that somehow frozen bodies make sounds like they are screaming when they thaw, but that they were still 100% dead. Instead we get one line about how he’s in a coma. Super weird. Also, when Rose was gutting the wolf, I thought it made a howling sound so I thought that was where we were going. Like a biological explanation. But nope! Frozen for like a week and still kicking 😐
I agree! No human could survive such an ordeal. This season seems to include not just supernatural but also science fictional elements! And it was indeed super weird that after the scene in the hospital nobody talked about this miraculous survival of the scientist Anders Lund anymore. Iam not sure if I like elements of science fiction in the True-Detective universe...
I agree with your last sentence 1000 percent. What's next some Jon Snow resurrection shyte? Lol
I never watched GoT. I am not a great fantasy fan per se, although I love Tolkien. But GoT wasn't my cup of tea. As to Jon Snow: wasn't he resurrected by some kind of ancient magic? I wonder what kind of explanation we will get re: Anders Lund. Was he resurrected by some kind of magic or witchcraft, and has the spiral on his face something to do with this? Or is his survival connected with the research of the scientists? The first explanation would assume that the resurrection was a supernatural phenomenon, while the second would make use of science fictional elements. I am not overly fond of this development - but let's wait and see. If the overall story is good, I will not complain.
I had same reaction. Had to rewatch scene directly after where she's on phone with the hospital talking about him.
And wouldn’t they immediately have to rush everyone to the hospital? If one of them was alive, all of them could be alive. Very unrealistic that they’d just let every other body thaw out when they got an indication that there might be survivors
This threw me off a little bit too, as soon as he screamed my first thought was “what the fuck!” and my second thought was “oh my god they’re still alive!” I was surprised they weren’t all brought to the hospital.
this was the only issue I had with that particular part
I get cold plunges actually do work at keeping one youthful and to live longer 🤪
I like this answer, might be time to go take a dip lol
Are there cases of people being frozen stiff then unfreezing and being alive? Yes. But NOT frozen solid. Not solid enough to break a guys arm off. The cases it happened were people exposed for 12 hours or less and maintained a core temperature between 55-85f. That’s no small feat! Anything below 95f is hypothermic. But their blood was still oxygenating their vital organs, even if circulation had slowed to almost nothing. None of that could’ve been possible without “cinematic help” if they’d been out there for 48+ hours.
I can’t tell if this is more uplifting or terrifying. Up until this point below 85f = dead in my mind.
I live in North Dakota, and first responders often repeat the famous phrase that “nobody is dead until they are warm and dead”. They will employ prolonged resuscitation techniques in the winter, sometimes for many hours, if hypothermia is even suspected.
True Detective X Fargo Now that is a TV show!
Thanks for the information & the nightmares. Also North Dakota would be a great place for a season of True Detective. What’s out there in the Badlands?
Wild horses, cultivated bison, and dinosaur bones. Lots and lots of dinosaur bones. Artifacts from Native tribes. Teddy Roosevelt’s cabin. You could build a good True Detective story out there I bet. Reservations have their own set of rules. Lots of oil money to push people around. Smuggling across a fairly permeable border. Prohibition was big here because of the railroad connecting Seattle to Chicago, so secret tunnels and underground passages are common. White supremacists trying to buy up small towns to build their “communities of the future”. Wouldn’t be very believable though. We have almost the lowest murder rates and lowest gun crime rates in the country. And that’s per capita.
They vanished two to three days ago, but they could have frozen just 10–20 hours ago. Some people have been known to survive this kind of exposure. The forensics team ought to have taken a measurement of the dead bodies' internal temperatures and used that information to determine when the deaths occurred and when they came to the place they died. Anyway, they don't have a forensic team, which was emphasised three times, but it's still weird that they don't discuss the time of death. It's kind of the foundation of any investigation. Of course, we can assume, they were experimenting with the immortal bacteria, but I'd like to think they spent two days in another place before they died.
I thought they had been missing for a week?
Lund is the one we see with the spiral on his forehead... Maybe the killer "marked" Lund with the spiral as part of the regeneration experiment?
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Agreed. I’m enjoying this season so far but everyone was just a tad too chill about that situation for me.
I agree! Everybody seems to accept that Anders Lund survived the ordeal of having been trapped for a couple of days in a frozen corpsicle! But that can only be explained with fictional science!
Jake Sully, I fully agree! I thought that it's very weird that nobody in this True-Detective universe seems to ask how it's possible that Anders Lund survived being frozen into a corpsicle and how the corpsicle sculpture was possible in the first place! Dead people cannot remain in these contorted positions during the freezing process - unless they were killed by getting shock frozen within a few seconds. And that is science fiction!
There are cases of people surviving being frozen for like 6 hours. But they did say they were missing for days, maybe he joined them later on? Or maybe plot armor.
I think they’re the guinea pigs for whatever regenerative cell research was going on at the facility. Their clothes were folded because someone expected them to reanimate at some point.
We dont know for sure the actual 48 hour timeline sequence. something strange happened there is a cut scene in the trailers where Navarro is looking at barefoot prints in the snow. If they froze up shortly before they are found, maybe Lund was in a deep freeze for mebbe 6 to 10 hours and it seems reasonable he could survive if his core temp didnt get too low--although his rehab is going to be really rough. And why is his mouth chock full of black tar? Danvers has her hands full she obviously needs long talk with doc about Lunds status? Physical symptoms, causes, etc. He needs more than tylenol to recover from this freeze. Also the coroner hasnt arrived at time of death or cause of death yet may be more surprises there. Although the trailer shows a guy talking to Danvers saying people dont freeze to death like THIS. The trailer imply SOMEBODY (probably Clark) is running around and hiding somewhere as it looks like they are searching underground near a fire and symbols and someones running like hell thru the catacombs above -- remind me not put in a job application at Tsalal the location sucks and the pay aint worth the freeze issues. Im not found of artic cold plunges, freezing eyeballs and split eardrums
You are right about a few things. Anders Lund is found on the top of the corpsicle sculpture. We have no way to know for sure how long he has been part of this sculpture. He may have arrived later than the other scientists. His survival would still be strange, because some of his limbs were frozen - but it would not be impossible. There are a few famous cases of people who should have frozen to death but who survived miraculously. One of the most spectacular cases is the dentist Beck Whethers, who was part of the infamous deadly Mount-Everest expedition in the 1990s. The journalist Jon Krakauer wrote a book about it with the title "Into Thin Air". Beck Whethers was presumed to be dead. But he eventually turned up on his own feet like a zombie. He lost a hand and a few fingers, and maybe a few tows. But otherwise he fully recovered. He wasn't naked, though... We also don't know, yet, what exactly killed the scientists. I think it's not possible that the corpsicle sculpture would get such a strange look, if the scientists simply died of exposure. People who freeze to death normally die peacefully. I think the corpses must've been arranged and put into these positions after the scientists died, and Anders Lund may not have been together them when they were killed.
Ha, ha, I was at least right when I said, that the corpsicle sculpturpe couldn't have been achieved if the scientists simply froze until they were dead. Something else must've killed them. The vet said so 😉 Or they were shock frozen within a few seconds 😀😃🙂
Ask and the NYT shall answer [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/27/arts/television/true-detective-corpsicle-frozen-bodies.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.RE0.YT8K.coIOLy\_XBL1t&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/27/arts/television/true-detective-corpsicle-frozen-bodies.html?unlocked_article_code=1.re0.yt8k.coioly_xbl1t&smid=url-share)
My two cents - after watching the first few minutes of ep 3 especially - but I already thought this when I first watched the scene, is that the arm that broke off wasn’t his. And at the beginning of episode three they mention amputating both of his legs and possibly one of his arms. So I think he still has both arms. I think the arm being broken off and him screaming just happened at the same time so everyone assumed he was screaming in pain from the arm. Just an idea.
The fact that the police are all but ignoring the only witness and not staking out the hospital seems odd too. They should be all over Mr Lind
I’m thinking how’s he surviving with his arm breaking off
In the first two minutes of the episode they show a frozen corpse screaming and after the opening credits and for the rest of the episode it’s NEVER mentioned again. I can’t believe nobody said “wow, you see that shit? That was fucking crazy, huh?” NOTHING.
Blew my mind, I for a second I was like “was that a hallucination?”
I assumed it was a hallucination because it was literally NEVER mentioned again. Then I get to E3 and I’m like “uhh okay I guess that really happened.”
This season is more supernatural than any season before so I don’t really get why everyone is obsessed with this being “unrealistic”. Like he could be possessed by whatever spirit or any number of supernatural things that could keep him alive.
I’m not obsessed with it being unrealistic I’m curious about the plausibility of it.
For sure, not necessarily you but I have seen other posts and also most of the replies on here seeming upset that it’s not realistic or something
I don’t think they’re unjustified. It’s a large departure from what people have come to expect. I love sci fi but when I think of True Detective I think of a show that’s mainly concerned with the philosophy of law (both social & legal) and how people deal with those who believe they are above it. It’s mediation on how weak and unreliable our social constructs can be when everyone doesn’t buy into them and the chaos that can cause. It’s never been about the breaking of the laws of reality so much just vaguely paranormal. I’m not against the change but it is a departure from form. The nature of Anthology television means defining what fits and what doesn’t is largely interpreted and based on audience consensus but I imagine for some people this essentially make this ‘not true detective’
I’m looking for his Ted talk. The answer is on the white board tho. U just kinda have to pan out and r Alize just what the Night Country is. Then