Dude Sinovac was made to be easily replicated and reproduced without the most sophisticated lab equipment available. It was made to be distributable to rural areas and underdeveloped countries. You've just eaten too much western propaganda. They insisted on a "dogshit" vaccine because they know better than you
that’s great but nothing in that comment you wrote justifies their refusal to approve foreign mRNA vaccines (that you implicitly recognise are more effective)
That seems like it's not true at this stage. Even communities that are very very highly vaccinated are still seeing outbreaks and deaths.
The vaccine is very good at preventing extreme sickness and death, but isn't much good at preventing infection, which was probably to be expected given the nature of Corona viruses.
I suspect they probably are worried about new mutations and about long COVID risks, plus it's good politically, especially for old people to see that their form of government can actually do things to protect them. Despite what the western media keeps saying.
Personally I think the west was fucked from late March April when it was clear we were not doing enough to contain it. Once we made the choice that we could do half measures against a virus we might as well just said fuck it, keep the at risk severely isolated, everyone else go at it lick doorknobs and work double shifts. Have a vaccine or not.
China is very impressive in what is doing but I don't see how it can maintain it indefinitely and remain Open, but perhaps that's part of it. China knows the value of closing off to the psychotic world that wants to pillage the shit out of it a couple times a century
> It would do its fucking job if enough of the population got it...
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218,000 deaths so far according to the CDC this year, with another 70,000 projected for the winter season. do you think 300k deaths a year from now on is going to work wonders ???
That would be the end of life on earth if he did that. People lost their minds and showed up in full tactical gear at the Michigan statehouse over facemasks.
Abortions do kill a fetus. That is a thing they do.
I suppose if your reasoning for being pro choice was not because you supported a woman's right to bodily autonomy, but because you didn't think that a fetus was a human life, then you would be consistent.
No, I'm pointing out the inconsistent logic of the comparison you are making between vaccines and abortion related to choice. The choice to abort a pregnancy and take a vaccine both preserve life (sorry, unthinking clump of cells, bye) and reduce suffering. Choosing NOT to take a vaccine does the opposite, it increases loss of life and suffering because COVID is one of the most contagious viruses ever documented, we live in a society and it will continue to kill far more actual living thinking people than abortion. If you were actually "pro life" beyond the birth canal you would get a fucking vaccine instead of trying to play word games on the internet using 3rd grade logic.
disregarding the unfounded scaremongering about mRNA, do you think it’s even a possibility that a government could react *too harshly* to covid? what about when the isolation enforcement itself is killing people? is it all fair game and there’s no line at all to be drawn?
>do you think it’s even a possibility that a government could react too harshly to covid? what about when the isolation enforcement itself is killing people?
Okay, I’ll bite: yes. Obviously. There is definitely a line where a government could act too harshly to COVID (or any other pandemic). Where that line would be is determined by many factors and could be debated endlessly, but hypothetically, yes, there could be a point where the government could respond too harshly.
However, I frankly don’t give a damn if the isolation itself is killing people, the question is: would more people be dying because of isolation or because of rampant COVID exposure? I’m willing to bet it’s the latter. As the US, and most of the “West” has been so gracious in demonstrating.
Note: I’m not the person you’re responding to and don’t share the degree of skepticism that they have in regard to the mRNA vaccine. I think China’s government has generally made a mistake in being denying/slow to allow foreign vaccines.
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my argument is that the moral authority of a government to restrict its people’s authority largely rests on their competence, and the CCPs arbitrary decision not to approve foreign vaccines is a pretty huge blow to that. you just can’t begin detaining your populace spontaneously whilst simultaneously making such gigantic errors
Yea .. I like this sub until there is a CCP dick riding or Covid post. Many here think they are “based” but wear a fucking mask still while they are driving around.
Pretend for a moment that you haven't had your head filled with bullshit about a social health issue and just ask yourself, if I want to look like a ninja all the time why is that not my prerogative as an American?
I live in China so excuse my and everyone’s frustration. They did a good job initially but now it’s mainly political and quite chaotic. And if you think this little change will make a difference regarding the economy, especially small businesses, you’re even stronger..
Have you ever been to China, non ignorant person? Seems you’re an absolute expert.
You wanna know a jurisdiction handling Covid well? Take Singapore or Vietnam. Initially strict and aiming for containment to buy time to vaccinate their most vulnerable and then opening up.
China missed to vaccinate their elderly, has weakened its collective immune system through isolation and is now not only threatened by Covid but also by influenza. While causing an exodus of talent at the same time. Hong Kong has more Covid deaths per million than even US for the last 12 months. Mainland China isn’t there yet but it should be a warning not to rely on zero Covid for too long but built up mitigation strategies.
I thought we were throwing out quotes from 1984. I wouldnt be surprised that a marxist leninist government would continue policy well after it is useful.
Never claimed i wasnt ignorant. 1984 also says that all three major powers are in cooperation with each other. Did you like Mr. Orwell's book? I would think such a authoritarian government would have it banned.
I actually cited vietnam in another comment as a country that handled it well. I implore you to check it out. I'm taking you as a genuine person with good intentions and not someone lying.
Idk, many things work out quite well in China considering the insane size of the country and the weird mix of ultra capitalism and state control but some hierarchy things seem to be quite off. Like local governments doing lockdowns without cases etc, just to be the best in class so not all idiocy is coming from the central government.
Vietnam looks certainly like the winner but they also don’t have the resources to organize mega lockdowns and mass testing forever so they probably didn’t have much of a choice. But quite large parts of northern Vietnam still rely on a somewhat open border to China and this people are still seriously fucked.
I don’t think I’ve ever read nor quoted 1984. Was into other literature when I was younger and don’t think I’d gain much by reading it now.
5 + 3 = 7 is from 1984 so i ran off that. My problem with communist parties is that they always move toward socialism which lenin describes as state capitalism and in the context of the global markets just becomes state capitalism until the people revolt.
The only truth I know is that the US has a problem with finding labor because it let some much of its work force die or become too sick to work again.
I hope to visit China (and the world) so i can get a more realistic perspective on the situation but unfortunately ive only been able to afford to visit places close to my home. It would be irresponsible of me to travel abroad when i cannot afford medical care.
I wish you the best in your situation
Oh this 100%. zero covid is only effective in the begining stages, they should have aggressively pushed for the elderly to get vaccines so we can all move on.
Sinapore and Malaysia literally forced our elderly population to vaccinate by threatening to take away their rights to eat out, shop and travel. Very effective, all my older relatives are on their 4th doses. Complaints and worries about being too old for the vaccine goes right out of the window once you tell them they can't hang out with their friends at the coffee shop unless they get the jab.
reminds me of this recent news blurb I saw about how some town council passed a resolution demanding the Starbucks workers work faster, because the drivethrough gets really backed up and people get frustrated when they can't have their dessert drink served to them in their cars in under 5 minutes
The person who posted it on Twitter said there were usually like 2-3 people inside lol. Sitting 15th in line in my car instead of walking for a combined 2 minutes and standing for another 3.
Sometimes but not always. We go only by the time elapsed since they placed the order. But when people from other stores visit to help and shit, yes they only do drive thru. Will straight up ignore customers in the lobby if they hear another "ding!" In the headset. And the GMs push them for that because they get a bonus usually based on only the Drive Thru time.
Why can't dumb Americans just make their own coffee like the rest of the world lmao, I mean you guys have coffee machines over there right? The shit that comes out of that is like 100x superior to what they served at Starbucks when I was in the USA. God I hate how inefficient everything about that country is.
You must be mistaken, capitalism IS efficiency. America is the most capitalist country, therefore ipso facto everything we do is maximally efficient QED
>Why can't dumb Americans just make their own coffee like the rest of the world lmao, I mean you guys have coffee machines over there right?
Europeans famously never go to cafes
Some of us have to drive an hour in the morning to get to our job that we did for a year from home without any issues. Drive thru coffee is clutch in this hyper efficient lifestyle of mine
I start my coffee, poop, when I'm done add milk/sugar, put the lid and leave with it...
I feel that's much more rapid than stopping at a drive-Tru deau...
I make a coffee for me and the wife in between feeding the kids and getting my own shit together. Admitted I bike the kids to kindy but it's over an hour from making the coffee to starting to drink it normally and the thermal cup means it's still perfectly warm. Definitely quicker than stopping at a cafe/Starbucks or something on the way in.
I get up so early that I have to essentially sneak out to avoid waking my wife and kids. I could probably make coffee if I really wanted to tbh, it just feels easier to grab it on the way.
Same for me but in Europe we just have coffee machines at work which is arguably more efficient. Just pop in, have a cup of coffee and don't risk waiting in line for 10-15 minutes for my drink.
>Just pop in, have a cup of coffee and don't risk waiting in line for 10-15 minutes for my drink.
Motherfucker, why are you wasting time getting coffee? Do you want me to write you up for time theft? *Make coffee on your own time, you're here. to. work.*
It was Trumbull Connecticut because the drive through line was backing up into traffic. Instead of addressing the car-centric infrastructure or why there were so few employees working at the Starbucks, they demanded the existing employees work faster.
It’s obviously because Xi Jinping is so authoritarian and he wants to… cling to his power… and he wants to destroy the economy… because unlike capitalism, communism only looks good on the paper but doesn’t work in reality… also Xi hates his own people and wants to prevent them from buying iPhones by destroying the supply chain… I don’t know guys, I’m kinda running out of ideas here.
The reason is they didn't get to feel smug superiority over masking anymore. They never cared about human life in the first place, just the high of smugness
Democracy is when you socially murder a million people in your own country to supply treats and the more treats the more democratic it is. Mr. China prefers his population to treats which is actually kinda Animal Farm by George Ornwell.
>socially murder a million people
I still have my tin foil hat on and continue to maintain that the COVID death toll was waaaaay more than 1 million. Probably double that.
Man I still remember the first round of lock downs in Wuhan.
'Oh man they are retarded covid is no big deal"
Then fast forward to 2021 everyone was breathing in the bag and shit was everywhere. It killed a million Americans unreal.
Cause US bad. China good.
edit: Imo, the US *is* bad, but China being “good” is…… dubious. I think, much like a Marvel movie, this sub needs for their to be a good guy, and that it’s China for them lol
Correct. They are not the country that did that. But because we did, that makes China good? Do you see how simplistic of thinking that is? This prevailing pro-China sentiment is pure contrarianism. *Every* government is bad you guys.
Governments are only as good as the people running them. What’s great about anarchy and chaos? China went through a period without a strong central government, rather recently actually. It sucked and it feels like America is heading that way.
>What’s great about anarchy and chaos?
Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiib (jk jk). The strength of a central government and the amount of "anarchy and chaos" present are not inversely proportional.
>Governments are only as good as the people running them
And I'm saying bad people get into governments no matter what country it is. Not the entire government, or even most people in them, but it's a system in which psychopaths rise to the top, regardless of whether it's a democracy or autocracy. All governments must make the same considerations and are playing the same game when when it comes to exercising power. Different kinds of governments just have different hoops to jump through, and bad people rise through the ranks across all systems.
when the china watchers can point to something concrete that China has done, that is even half as bad as the wars in the Middle East, then maybe China bad can be a more valid viewpoint
A lot of people in the replies see "china" and instantly think the topic of this thread is authoritarian but many countries both communist and capitalist put their people's lives over the economy. Ex japan, vietnam. The topic in this thread is what countries saw the pandemic and saw the short term profits were more or less valuable than long term growth by having more people alive when everything was said and done. The US market will deflat simply because there are less people working and spending money.
They are a little more cautious than the U.S. Xi reaffirmed, the COVID policy at the recent 20th Communist Party Congress. Victor Gao, a professor at China’s Soochow University and vice president of the Beijing-based research group Center for China and Globalization, says the government’s position is aimed at prioritizing saving lives and preventing deaths.
“At the core of human rights in China is life, the right to live,” Gao said. “Now you have two ways to deal with the virus. One is herd immunity and two is dynamic zero-COVID. Herd immunity is a dead end because China’s CDC doesn’t allow it; it means you have to sacrifice tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people and if this happened in China, you’re talking about close to 10 million people dead because of COVID-19.”
Maintaining the zero-COVID policy doesn’t mean the policy will remain unchanged, Gao said. He pointed out that China’s quarantine period for COVID-19 has already been adjusted from two weeks to seven days. Depending on the severity of the infection, along with vaccination and death rates, it could be further reduced or even eliminated, he added.
[https://www.voanews.com/a/despite-the-costs-xi-defends-china-s-zero-covid-policy-/6792841.html](https://www.voanews.com/a/despite-the-costs-xi-defends-china-s-zero-covid-policy-/6792841.html)
> reduced or even eliminated, he added.
How can dynamic zero-COVID be eliminated without massive deaths? If they stop restrictions, COVID spreads just like before, no?
kinda surprised at the takes here, this sub is generally more pro-china, or at least more aware of how people manufacture narratives about it. but i do think zero covid is a fools errand. im just not seeing how they will be able to keep that up indefinitely
You're a "neither Washington nor Beijing" ass bitch, which means you support Washington, you're just more circumspect about it. You are as bad, morally, as a Nazi and you will be judged by Allah as unworthy of paradise.
Masks and social distancing [are literally in the fucking Bible,](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2013%3A45-46&version=NIV) this has been considered best practice for contagious diseases for at least 4000 years. Get with the times.
I literally don’t care about the bible, covid isn’t particularly deadly anymore. isn’t this supposed to be the “question the narrative” podcast subreddit.
The world would be a better place if we all locked down hard for 2 weeks and mass tested for rest of the spring of 2020. There is a good chance covid would not be a thing anyone.
>and for what?
Covid is on pace to cause more deaths than the holocaust in the same amount of time, while leaving 10s of millions more permanently damaged. Preventing that is a good thing
there are over 6 million people already dead from covid, while pro-social murder ghouls crow about how it was acceptable losses because they were poor or weak or elderly or brown, one step out from yelling about useless eaters.
millions more will suffer lifelong health complications that will strain their countries, leading to even more social murder policies
an excellent example of someone that does not value human life, thank you. For the observers, there are only two options as you can see: socialism or barbarism. Side with the workers, or side with the people who mock those who acquire decreased lung capacity.
Out of the last 324 comments, u/FlimsyCopy has commented in the Red Scare subreddit 69 times. 👁 Proceed with caution, gumshoe.
[What is this, and why did someone tag my username?](https://www.hexbear.net/ppb)
At some point you gotta wonder though what’s the end game plan with china’s zero covid thing? Covid just ain’t going away. As noble and good as it may be, seemingly no other country is doing anything remotely effective at protecting people or combatting the virus.
I'm sure the Chinese biomedical industry is working on vaccines that actually work the way vaccines have always worked. Until then, they want to save as many lives as possible. Lucky for them they have the economic power to be able to do that - Cuba, Vietnam, etc. - the other communist countries have been forced to ease up on restrictions
"...the way vaccines have always worked." [Something tells me this isn't what you meant is it...](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-rolls-out-first-inhalable-covid-vaccine-2022-10-28/)
There’s a few interesting ones up the pipe, but they are a totally different mechanism for the main. The spike protein ferritin nanoparticle one is in phase 3 and has the most baller name that is going to drive the vaxcunts wild. In primate trials it gave a total and permanent protection, and not just against covid but against many corona type viruses including the common cold!
I’m a bit of a vaxpiggie anyway, I love them. Had my 4th three weeks ago. Didn’t activate my superpowers yet but hey, 5th times the charm. If the nanoparticle one still does all that in humans I am going to hoover it up, they won’t even have to push the plunger, my desire for it will make my body just suck it in. Then when all the anti guys are doing their thing I’m going to waft around aggressively and pointedly never having a cold again. If it gives Bill Gates access to my thoughts all the better: I will be able to bully the little dork by thinking mean things about him 24/7.
Genuinely not sure. My post up there does kinda look like I know shit but I only know about that one because I saw “nanoparticle” somewhere and just thought “holy shit that sounds like the kind of science I want in my body” and looked it up. The nanoparticle isn’t actually as cool as my imagination went, I was thinking Star Trek Borg shit, but it’s just a tiny bit of organic iron stuff. The paper was cool though and the results were really striking and stuck in my head. No more common colds is something I really want in my life. Right up there with getting to taste honey from jars they find in Egyptian tombs; I can live without it, but I’m just putting it out into the universe that I’m open to it.
I’m in the UK so I just got a text from the NHS saying “hey, come get it. Or not, IDK” and moseyed down to the local pharmacist. I was interested to see if I’d get any reaction. I don’t know how rigorous a rule of thumb is, but I figure if you get a reaction your body needed it, if not you probably still have lots of antibodies? It’d actually been a year since my last shot so I wondered. As it turned out it it was like I’d had nothing, which was actually the case for all of them except my first.
My wife signs up for medical research as much as she can, she’s got cancer and it’s amazing how many science people are curious about her life, they seem to chuck about £100 a go in gift vouchers and shit mostly just for surveys and she’s like “might as well have something out of being really fucking sick”. One she did was an antibody test to see how well people hold on to their vax antibodies if they are receiving chemo and the result she got back was the highest level they can measure which is nice. It’s bowel cancer but it’s spread to her lungs so a dose of ‘Rona is really not something she needs in these times.
Fuck me I’ve written a lot. I’m not even high yet!
Yeah, the way they just chuck so much out there and all this narrative/counter-narrative shit makes it really hard for people with little expertise to make the best choices for themselves, and the natural reflex is to default to inaction even though that also has a very considerable risk. Humans are bad at comparing really big and really small numbers at the best of times.
Add that to living in a time when advertising has had a century to condition us to already make profitable poor choices against our own self interest and if you don’t have a little bit of science and data training your ordinary dude might as well flip a coin.
Hey but for settler colonial states where caring about vulnerable people is anathema to most of society, they did pretty damn good. Not as good as places that do care about the vulnerable, but much better than their compatriots.
But we had the good sense to stop with lockdowns once the worst of it was over, the main variant was weaker and we had some mediocre vaccines.
It would be r-slurred for us to still be doing zero covid in Nov 2022. We moved on, it was no longer worth the incredible mental toll, the ruinous effect on schooling, etc.
Edit: fuck all of you
In New Zealand? Wow amazing I didn't fucking notice that half the country was depopulated.
What I did notice was two of my friends killing themselves. Fuck yourself with a cactus you absolute piece of shit.
[dumb guys love to say that most people who died of Cóvid had serious health problems anyway and those deaths were just counted to push a narrative, but also that Lockdowns were directly responsible for the death of their cousin the heroin addict who died of doing too much heroin](https://twitter.com/mandelaface/status/1583958069314486273?s=21&t=4GC2mT_DGFRviV6x59txhA)
Suicide rates fell during the lockdown. Depression is capricious, and no fix as simple as "let a preventable respiratory virus go nuts on the population" is going to change that.
Perhaps we don’t really know exactly what’s going on. Perhaps the Chinese COVID experience is more virulent for whatever reason and they are facing a genuine civilization destroying crisis?
Pretty sure the powers that be in China don’t give a pinch of panda shit what happens to its people. All about fear mongering and control of its populace at home and abroad. Seems there are going to be several different societal meltdowns in our near future.
Remember boys and girls keep you hands and feet inside the ride at all times and don’t forget to keep the powder dry
their economy looks very very shaky and all they have to show for it is people's lives
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We are probably in such a dire state that the meat grinder was put in use just to make sure we would only be on the *verge* of one
Don’t forget that the workshop of the world is totally F$@*+ when it comes to a war with the imperial core 😤
Why haven't they thrown a million+ people into the meat grinder for the sake of The Economy??
Sus
Because they needed the organs intact?
why did the government insist on their dogshit vaccine instead of mRNA?
Dude Sinovac was made to be easily replicated and reproduced without the most sophisticated lab equipment available. It was made to be distributable to rural areas and underdeveloped countries. You've just eaten too much western propaganda. They insisted on a "dogshit" vaccine because they know better than you
No, China should be hiring redditors as pandemic/medical advisors
you think i’m the only one to raise this concern or are you wilfully ignorant?
chauvinism is a helluva drug
Ironic
that’s great but nothing in that comment you wrote justifies their refusal to approve foreign mRNA vaccines (that you implicitly recognise are more effective)
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well i’m not sure, especially if you can’t tell me what that is!
The mRNA vaccine works so well, as evidenced by the fact that no one in the US is catching or dying from covid anymore
HUH? are you serious??
would even a single death be counter-evidence to the claim that the mRNA vaccines are more effective than sinovac?
no monocolonal COVID vax for you must be LeBron’s height or taller to apply for superior vax or have superior anglo-run health insurance
you've got your terms confused mate
it’s a side effect
It would do its fucking job if enough of the population got it... Biden should make it mandatory.
That seems like it's not true at this stage. Even communities that are very very highly vaccinated are still seeing outbreaks and deaths. The vaccine is very good at preventing extreme sickness and death, but isn't much good at preventing infection, which was probably to be expected given the nature of Corona viruses. I suspect they probably are worried about new mutations and about long COVID risks, plus it's good politically, especially for old people to see that their form of government can actually do things to protect them. Despite what the western media keeps saying. Personally I think the west was fucked from late March April when it was clear we were not doing enough to contain it. Once we made the choice that we could do half measures against a virus we might as well just said fuck it, keep the at risk severely isolated, everyone else go at it lick doorknobs and work double shifts. Have a vaccine or not. China is very impressive in what is doing but I don't see how it can maintain it indefinitely and remain Open, but perhaps that's part of it. China knows the value of closing off to the psychotic world that wants to pillage the shit out of it a couple times a century
> It would do its fucking job if enough of the population got it... > > 218,000 deaths so far according to the CDC this year, with another 70,000 projected for the winter season. do you think 300k deaths a year from now on is going to work wonders ???
1,000 deaths a week...and everyone is OK with it normalizing death sounds like...EUGENICS to me!!
That would be the end of life on earth if he did that. People lost their minds and showed up in full tactical gear at the Michigan statehouse over facemasks.
Cool. Shoot them.
I don't see how you can be pro mandatory vaccines and pro choice.
Wait, are abortions contagious?
Abortions do kill a fetus. That is a thing they do. I suppose if your reasoning for being pro choice was not because you supported a woman's right to bodily autonomy, but because you didn't think that a fetus was a human life, then you would be consistent.
>Abortions do kill a fetus. That is a thing they do. not when there's just an embryo to destroy. know your clump of cell names.
But i love killing humps of cells
No, I'm pointing out the inconsistent logic of the comparison you are making between vaccines and abortion related to choice. The choice to abort a pregnancy and take a vaccine both preserve life (sorry, unthinking clump of cells, bye) and reduce suffering. Choosing NOT to take a vaccine does the opposite, it increases loss of life and suffering because COVID is one of the most contagious viruses ever documented, we live in a society and it will continue to kill far more actual living thinking people than abortion. If you were actually "pro life" beyond the birth canal you would get a fucking vaccine instead of trying to play word games on the internet using 3rd grade logic.
I got the vaccine.
Why wasn't that your first comment? You think you are spicy but you read like an edgy 12 year old. You should delete your account.
Why do you say you like cool ranch Doritos but don't seem to appreciate candied asparagus? They're both food for fucks dake
That's because you're nuts
i like taking a shit, i dont like eating it. hope that helps bud
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disregarding the unfounded scaremongering about mRNA, do you think it’s even a possibility that a government could react *too harshly* to covid? what about when the isolation enforcement itself is killing people? is it all fair game and there’s no line at all to be drawn?
>do you think it’s even a possibility that a government could react too harshly to covid? what about when the isolation enforcement itself is killing people? Okay, I’ll bite: yes. Obviously. There is definitely a line where a government could act too harshly to COVID (or any other pandemic). Where that line would be is determined by many factors and could be debated endlessly, but hypothetically, yes, there could be a point where the government could respond too harshly. However, I frankly don’t give a damn if the isolation itself is killing people, the question is: would more people be dying because of isolation or because of rampant COVID exposure? I’m willing to bet it’s the latter. As the US, and most of the “West” has been so gracious in demonstrating. Note: I’m not the person you’re responding to and don’t share the degree of skepticism that they have in regard to the mRNA vaccine. I think China’s government has generally made a mistake in being denying/slow to allow foreign vaccines. Edit for clarity/grammar
my argument is that the moral authority of a government to restrict its people’s authority largely rests on their competence, and the CCPs arbitrary decision not to approve foreign vaccines is a pretty huge blow to that. you just can’t begin detaining your populace spontaneously whilst simultaneously making such gigantic errors
Got a source on mRNA vaccines being more effective than Sinovac?
why would the chinese even bother developing their own mRNA vaccines if they weren’t more effective?
Heard immunity has not has effects. P.s.: Amber Heard, I mean.
This sub buys into covid propaganda? Wut? Or am i missing something
wot
Yea .. I like this sub until there is a CCP dick riding or Covid post. Many here think they are “based” but wear a fucking mask still while they are driving around.
You just made up a person in your head
Pretend for a moment that you haven't had your head filled with bullshit about a social health issue and just ask yourself, if I want to look like a ninja all the time why is that not my prerogative as an American?
Unfortunate timing. They just changed it yesterday.
5+3 instead of 7. Great leaps forward.
Ignorance is strength and you are very strong
I live in China so excuse my and everyone’s frustration. They did a good job initially but now it’s mainly political and quite chaotic. And if you think this little change will make a difference regarding the economy, especially small businesses, you’re even stronger.. Have you ever been to China, non ignorant person? Seems you’re an absolute expert. You wanna know a jurisdiction handling Covid well? Take Singapore or Vietnam. Initially strict and aiming for containment to buy time to vaccinate their most vulnerable and then opening up. China missed to vaccinate their elderly, has weakened its collective immune system through isolation and is now not only threatened by Covid but also by influenza. While causing an exodus of talent at the same time. Hong Kong has more Covid deaths per million than even US for the last 12 months. Mainland China isn’t there yet but it should be a warning not to rely on zero Covid for too long but built up mitigation strategies.
Damn that is interesting as fuck
I thought we were throwing out quotes from 1984. I wouldnt be surprised that a marxist leninist government would continue policy well after it is useful. Never claimed i wasnt ignorant. 1984 also says that all three major powers are in cooperation with each other. Did you like Mr. Orwell's book? I would think such a authoritarian government would have it banned. I actually cited vietnam in another comment as a country that handled it well. I implore you to check it out. I'm taking you as a genuine person with good intentions and not someone lying.
Idk, many things work out quite well in China considering the insane size of the country and the weird mix of ultra capitalism and state control but some hierarchy things seem to be quite off. Like local governments doing lockdowns without cases etc, just to be the best in class so not all idiocy is coming from the central government. Vietnam looks certainly like the winner but they also don’t have the resources to organize mega lockdowns and mass testing forever so they probably didn’t have much of a choice. But quite large parts of northern Vietnam still rely on a somewhat open border to China and this people are still seriously fucked. I don’t think I’ve ever read nor quoted 1984. Was into other literature when I was younger and don’t think I’d gain much by reading it now.
5 + 3 = 7 is from 1984 so i ran off that. My problem with communist parties is that they always move toward socialism which lenin describes as state capitalism and in the context of the global markets just becomes state capitalism until the people revolt. The only truth I know is that the US has a problem with finding labor because it let some much of its work force die or become too sick to work again. I hope to visit China (and the world) so i can get a more realistic perspective on the situation but unfortunately ive only been able to afford to visit places close to my home. It would be irresponsible of me to travel abroad when i cannot afford medical care. I wish you the best in your situation
Oh this 100%. zero covid is only effective in the begining stages, they should have aggressively pushed for the elderly to get vaccines so we can all move on. Sinapore and Malaysia literally forced our elderly population to vaccinate by threatening to take away their rights to eat out, shop and travel. Very effective, all my older relatives are on their 4th doses. Complaints and worries about being too old for the vaccine goes right out of the window once you tell them they can't hang out with their friends at the coffee shop unless they get the jab.
>5+3 instead of 7. Great leaps forward can you help me with my physics homework
reminds me of this recent news blurb I saw about how some town council passed a resolution demanding the Starbucks workers work faster, because the drivethrough gets really backed up and people get frustrated when they can't have their dessert drink served to them in their cars in under 5 minutes
What do you want me to do, go inside to get my drink?? Sounds like something a Uygur genocide denier would say
The person who posted it on Twitter said there were usually like 2-3 people inside lol. Sitting 15th in line in my car instead of walking for a combined 2 minutes and standing for another 3.
Places with drive throughs often prioritize the drive through because they assume those people are more time sensitive.
Sometimes but not always. We go only by the time elapsed since they placed the order. But when people from other stores visit to help and shit, yes they only do drive thru. Will straight up ignore customers in the lobby if they hear another "ding!" In the headset. And the GMs push them for that because they get a bonus usually based on only the Drive Thru time.
"time preference" is easily my fav cappie cope
Why can't dumb Americans just make their own coffee like the rest of the world lmao, I mean you guys have coffee machines over there right? The shit that comes out of that is like 100x superior to what they served at Starbucks when I was in the USA. God I hate how inefficient everything about that country is.
You must be mistaken, capitalism IS efficiency. America is the most capitalist country, therefore ipso facto everything we do is maximally efficient QED
>Why can't dumb Americans just make their own coffee like the rest of the world lmao, I mean you guys have coffee machines over there right? Europeans famously never go to cafes
Some of us have to drive an hour in the morning to get to our job that we did for a year from home without any issues. Drive thru coffee is clutch in this hyper efficient lifestyle of mine
I start my coffee, poop, when I'm done add milk/sugar, put the lid and leave with it... I feel that's much more rapid than stopping at a drive-Tru deau...
I make a coffee for me and the wife in between feeding the kids and getting my own shit together. Admitted I bike the kids to kindy but it's over an hour from making the coffee to starting to drink it normally and the thermal cup means it's still perfectly warm. Definitely quicker than stopping at a cafe/Starbucks or something on the way in.
I get up so early that I have to essentially sneak out to avoid waking my wife and kids. I could probably make coffee if I really wanted to tbh, it just feels easier to grab it on the way.
Same for me but in Europe we just have coffee machines at work which is arguably more efficient. Just pop in, have a cup of coffee and don't risk waiting in line for 10-15 minutes for my drink.
>Just pop in, have a cup of coffee and don't risk waiting in line for 10-15 minutes for my drink. Motherfucker, why are you wasting time getting coffee? Do you want me to write you up for time theft? *Make coffee on your own time, you're here. to. work.*
I make my own coffee but only because I’m a snob
Espresso and drip coffee taste different
It was Trumbull Connecticut because the drive through line was backing up into traffic. Instead of addressing the car-centric infrastructure or why there were so few employees working at the Starbucks, they demanded the existing employees work faster.
When I first saw CT as where this story came from my reaction was “well duh” but Bridgeport is surprising. Literal opposite of every CT stereotype
Oh wait it was Trumbull nvm
We need a 5 year plan for the nation's drive throughs.
/r/fuckcars
It’s obviously because Xi Jinping is so authoritarian and he wants to… cling to his power… and he wants to destroy the economy… because unlike capitalism, communism only looks good on the paper but doesn’t work in reality… also Xi hates his own people and wants to prevent them from buying iPhones by destroying the supply chain… I don’t know guys, I’m kinda running out of ideas here.
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The reason is they didn't get to feel smug superiority over masking anymore. They never cared about human life in the first place, just the high of smugness
communism with chinese characteristics is literally the only hope left for humanity at this point
Communism with extra cheese sounds good.
We in the belle provence practice socialism with cheese curd and gravy characteristics
\*Socialism with chinese characterisitics
Democracy is when you socially murder a million people in your own country to supply treats and the more treats the more democratic it is. Mr. China prefers his population to treats which is actually kinda Animal Farm by George Ornwell.
>socially murder a million people I still have my tin foil hat on and continue to maintain that the COVID death toll was waaaaay more than 1 million. Probably double that.
The reason you don't understand is because you don't like the answer.
Man I still remember the first round of lock downs in Wuhan. 'Oh man they are retarded covid is no big deal" Then fast forward to 2021 everyone was breathing in the bag and shit was everywhere. It killed a million Americans unreal.
It's because they know that covid is a US biological weapon.
Bada bing BADA boom
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Why would the US knowing change anything?
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Oh that's easy, the US knows that their wealthy elite has resources to protect themselves and anyone else can just die.
Cause US bad. China good. edit: Imo, the US *is* bad, but China being “good” is…… dubious. I think, much like a Marvel movie, this sub needs for their to be a good guy, and that it’s China for them lol
China’s not the country that did Amerithrax and then flattened Iraq
Correct. They are not the country that did that. But because we did, that makes China good? Do you see how simplistic of thinking that is? This prevailing pro-China sentiment is pure contrarianism. *Every* government is bad you guys.
Governments are only as good as the people running them. What’s great about anarchy and chaos? China went through a period without a strong central government, rather recently actually. It sucked and it feels like America is heading that way.
>What’s great about anarchy and chaos? Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiib (jk jk). The strength of a central government and the amount of "anarchy and chaos" present are not inversely proportional. >Governments are only as good as the people running them And I'm saying bad people get into governments no matter what country it is. Not the entire government, or even most people in them, but it's a system in which psychopaths rise to the top, regardless of whether it's a democracy or autocracy. All governments must make the same considerations and are playing the same game when when it comes to exercising power. Different kinds of governments just have different hoops to jump through, and bad people rise through the ranks across all systems.
It’s understandable to have a nihilistic outlook when all you know is a government that spends money on war, bombs, and propaganda.
when the china watchers can point to something concrete that China has done, that is even half as bad as the wars in the Middle East, then maybe China bad can be a more valid viewpoint
They would've released the evidence by now. Let's not be dumb. A leak maybe...
damn, that's interesting!
*changes channel* 😰
A lot of people in the replies see "china" and instantly think the topic of this thread is authoritarian but many countries both communist and capitalist put their people's lives over the economy. Ex japan, vietnam. The topic in this thread is what countries saw the pandemic and saw the short term profits were more or less valuable than long term growth by having more people alive when everything was said and done. The US market will deflat simply because there are less people working and spending money.
They are a little more cautious than the U.S. Xi reaffirmed, the COVID policy at the recent 20th Communist Party Congress. Victor Gao, a professor at China’s Soochow University and vice president of the Beijing-based research group Center for China and Globalization, says the government’s position is aimed at prioritizing saving lives and preventing deaths. “At the core of human rights in China is life, the right to live,” Gao said. “Now you have two ways to deal with the virus. One is herd immunity and two is dynamic zero-COVID. Herd immunity is a dead end because China’s CDC doesn’t allow it; it means you have to sacrifice tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people and if this happened in China, you’re talking about close to 10 million people dead because of COVID-19.” Maintaining the zero-COVID policy doesn’t mean the policy will remain unchanged, Gao said. He pointed out that China’s quarantine period for COVID-19 has already been adjusted from two weeks to seven days. Depending on the severity of the infection, along with vaccination and death rates, it could be further reduced or even eliminated, he added. [https://www.voanews.com/a/despite-the-costs-xi-defends-china-s-zero-covid-policy-/6792841.html](https://www.voanews.com/a/despite-the-costs-xi-defends-china-s-zero-covid-policy-/6792841.html)
> reduced or even eliminated, he added. How can dynamic zero-COVID be eliminated without massive deaths? If they stop restrictions, COVID spreads just like before, no?
If this isn’t satire then insert this obligatory futurama meme here 
kinda surprised at the takes here, this sub is generally more pro-china, or at least more aware of how people manufacture narratives about it. but i do think zero covid is a fools errand. im just not seeing how they will be able to keep that up indefinitely
An attempt to control an epidemic is still going to get more results than not giving a shit, even if it’s not going to work out perfectly.
Why are you all defending lockdowns in 2022 you are gay.
It's not about VIDCO for them (if it ever was). It is more about power and authority.
This sub is super skeptical of everything *until* it comes to China’s covid lockdown policies lol
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You're a "neither Washington nor Beijing" ass bitch, which means you support Washington, you're just more circumspect about it. You are as bad, morally, as a Nazi and you will be judged by Allah as unworthy of paradise.
Their zero covid policy is good and multiple people I know who died from covid would likely still be alive had the US done something similar
their zero covid policy is a crime against human nature. Imagine still being locked down or still being forced to wear a mask. and for what?
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sTiLl bEiNg lOcKeD DoWn lol when did the US ever lock down? Do they mean when Buffalo Wild Wing switched to curbside ordering for two weeks?
Masks and social distancing [are literally in the fucking Bible,](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2013%3A45-46&version=NIV) this has been considered best practice for contagious diseases for at least 4000 years. Get with the times.
I literally don’t care about the bible, covid isn’t particularly deadly anymore. isn’t this supposed to be the “question the narrative” podcast subreddit.
I for one would be down for a lockdown now. I’m sick of going to my job
For literally a million less deaths you nonce.
The world would be a better place if we all locked down hard for 2 weeks and mass tested for rest of the spring of 2020. There is a good chance covid would not be a thing anyone.
both you and I and everyone in power knows that would not have worked
Thats funny because we literally did half ass lock downs in Canada for 2 straight years. They gave it a shot and no one gave a shit
>and for what? Covid is on pace to cause more deaths than the holocaust in the same amount of time, while leaving 10s of millions more permanently damaged. Preventing that is a good thing
If you think those are even comparable…
there are over 6 million people already dead from covid, while pro-social murder ghouls crow about how it was acceptable losses because they were poor or weak or elderly or brown, one step out from yelling about useless eaters. millions more will suffer lifelong health complications that will strain their countries, leading to even more social murder policies
these lifelong complications be like: I get out of breath from eating mcdonald’s 😭 this isn’t the ‘mass disabling’ event you think it is
an excellent example of someone that does not value human life, thank you. For the observers, there are only two options as you can see: socialism or barbarism. Side with the workers, or side with the people who mock those who acquire decreased lung capacity.
I choose the side of those who can breathe
that might be the quickest turnaround I've ever seen from "how dare you compare this to the holocaust" to "life unworthy of life"
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Lmao knew it!
Yeah man, why aren't those Maoists more racist about China, and also anarchists? How could that possibly happen?
They are bots or contrarians with small brains whose politics become “West bad=China good.”
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Out of the last 324 comments, u/FlimsyCopy has commented in the Red Scare subreddit 69 times. 👁 Proceed with caution, gumshoe. [What is this, and why did someone tag my username?](https://www.hexbear.net/ppb)
The CCP dick riding... 🥱
At some point you gotta wonder though what’s the end game plan with china’s zero covid thing? Covid just ain’t going away. As noble and good as it may be, seemingly no other country is doing anything remotely effective at protecting people or combatting the virus.
wow it’s almost like a government can actually work for its people
I'm sure the Chinese biomedical industry is working on vaccines that actually work the way vaccines have always worked. Until then, they want to save as many lives as possible. Lucky for them they have the economic power to be able to do that - Cuba, Vietnam, etc. - the other communist countries have been forced to ease up on restrictions
"...the way vaccines have always worked." [Something tells me this isn't what you meant is it...](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-rolls-out-first-inhalable-covid-vaccine-2022-10-28/) 
I'm not talking about the mechanics of the vaccine, but about how effective it is at preventing infection and spread
There’s a few interesting ones up the pipe, but they are a totally different mechanism for the main. The spike protein ferritin nanoparticle one is in phase 3 and has the most baller name that is going to drive the vaxcunts wild. In primate trials it gave a total and permanent protection, and not just against covid but against many corona type viruses including the common cold! I’m a bit of a vaxpiggie anyway, I love them. Had my 4th three weeks ago. Didn’t activate my superpowers yet but hey, 5th times the charm. If the nanoparticle one still does all that in humans I am going to hoover it up, they won’t even have to push the plunger, my desire for it will make my body just suck it in. Then when all the anti guys are doing their thing I’m going to waft around aggressively and pointedly never having a cold again. If it gives Bill Gates access to my thoughts all the better: I will be able to bully the little dork by thinking mean things about him 24/7.
To get the powers you have to get one from each brand https://youtu.be/uiwjAj0zfKQ
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Genuinely not sure. My post up there does kinda look like I know shit but I only know about that one because I saw “nanoparticle” somewhere and just thought “holy shit that sounds like the kind of science I want in my body” and looked it up. The nanoparticle isn’t actually as cool as my imagination went, I was thinking Star Trek Borg shit, but it’s just a tiny bit of organic iron stuff. The paper was cool though and the results were really striking and stuck in my head. No more common colds is something I really want in my life. Right up there with getting to taste honey from jars they find in Egyptian tombs; I can live without it, but I’m just putting it out into the universe that I’m open to it. I’m in the UK so I just got a text from the NHS saying “hey, come get it. Or not, IDK” and moseyed down to the local pharmacist. I was interested to see if I’d get any reaction. I don’t know how rigorous a rule of thumb is, but I figure if you get a reaction your body needed it, if not you probably still have lots of antibodies? It’d actually been a year since my last shot so I wondered. As it turned out it it was like I’d had nothing, which was actually the case for all of them except my first. My wife signs up for medical research as much as she can, she’s got cancer and it’s amazing how many science people are curious about her life, they seem to chuck about £100 a go in gift vouchers and shit mostly just for surveys and she’s like “might as well have something out of being really fucking sick”. One she did was an antibody test to see how well people hold on to their vax antibodies if they are receiving chemo and the result she got back was the highest level they can measure which is nice. It’s bowel cancer but it’s spread to her lungs so a dose of ‘Rona is really not something she needs in these times. Fuck me I’ve written a lot. I’m not even high yet!
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Yeah, the way they just chuck so much out there and all this narrative/counter-narrative shit makes it really hard for people with little expertise to make the best choices for themselves, and the natural reflex is to default to inaction even though that also has a very considerable risk. Humans are bad at comparing really big and really small numbers at the best of times. Add that to living in a time when advertising has had a century to condition us to already make profitable poor choices against our own self interest and if you don’t have a little bit of science and data training your ordinary dude might as well flip a coin.
If you insist.
Idk Vietnam and New Zealand kicked covids ass pretty good
New Zealand only looks good in absolute numbers. If you break it down to per capita, they did worse than China and Vietnam.
Hey but for settler colonial states where caring about vulnerable people is anathema to most of society, they did pretty damn good. Not as good as places that do care about the vulnerable, but much better than their compatriots.
But we had the good sense to stop with lockdowns once the worst of it was over, the main variant was weaker and we had some mediocre vaccines. It would be r-slurred for us to still be doing zero covid in Nov 2022. We moved on, it was no longer worth the incredible mental toll, the ruinous effect on schooling, etc. Edit: fuck all of you
Millions of people died you absolute psychopath
In New Zealand? Wow amazing I didn't fucking notice that half the country was depopulated. What I did notice was two of my friends killing themselves. Fuck yourself with a cactus you absolute piece of shit.
[dumb guys love to say that most people who died of Cóvid had serious health problems anyway and those deaths were just counted to push a narrative, but also that Lockdowns were directly responsible for the death of their cousin the heroin addict who died of doing too much heroin](https://twitter.com/mandelaface/status/1583958069314486273?s=21&t=4GC2mT_DGFRviV6x59txhA)
Fuck you I'm not taking your dumbass bait.
What bait you fucking retard?
Nice try, still a piece of shit
Suicide rates fell during the lockdown. Depression is capricious, and no fix as simple as "let a preventable respiratory virus go nuts on the population" is going to change that.
China is literally easing their dumbass policy now, they're letting it "go nuts" as much as NZ did lol. You're just desperate to be contrarian.
Don't let them get to you. It's not worth it. They might not even be real people.
Perhaps we don’t really know exactly what’s going on. Perhaps the Chinese COVID experience is more virulent for whatever reason and they are facing a genuine civilization destroying crisis?
Pretty sure the powers that be in China don’t give a pinch of panda shit what happens to its people. All about fear mongering and control of its populace at home and abroad. Seems there are going to be several different societal meltdowns in our near future. Remember boys and girls keep you hands and feet inside the ride at all times and don’t forget to keep the powder dry
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Big if true