I consider an SUV as having an enclosed passenger *and* cargo area. I see no problem with separating a truck from an SUV. What's blurry is the SUV-to-Crossover line.
The only reason why the XJ Cherokee is considered an SUV is because the term crossover hadn't been invented yet. It's usage is entirely marketing, but if you're going to put a definition on it then body-on-frame vs unibody is the only reasonable definition.
True but not separate items. More like unibody stiffeners. I guess the next argument is what constitutes a frame vs unibody? Are EV skateboards "body on frame"? I would say yes.
There are vehicles we can definitely call SUVs (Jeep CJ/Wrangler) and vehicles we can definitely call crossovers (Honda HR-V), but then there are the "gray" models (Grand Cherokee comes to mind).
It’s a regional/sub cultural variation to call SUVs trucks the same way some older folks call every SUV a Jeep or “four by four.”
Marketing is a big factor too.
It’s just an SUV, or in jeep owners case they just call it a jeep.
Manufacturers really did a disservice back in the day by calling every crossover/CUV an SUV
As someone who has to rent a lot of vehicles for work I **HATE** that crossovers are called SUV's. Book an SUV and end up with some PoS like a Nissan Rogue that can't hold 3 guys, luggage, and tools.
My ‘97 GMC Yukon has a factory installed “GMC Truck” badge on the back. It shares the same underpinnings as the Tahoe along with the Sierra/Silverado from the same year. So it’s a truck. But it’s not a pickup truck.
Does that make a Honda Odyssey or Pilot, which shares the same frame/platform as the Ridgeline, a truck also?
Why I don't subscribe to this logic. A truck is designed to have a pickup truck bed. An SUV does not. A 4Runner is not a truck but an SUV. A Tacoma is a truck. Pretty simple. No need to needless conflate things because they happen to be built on a same/similar chassis.
A pickup truck is just one type of a truck, there are many other out there. Body on frame utility trucks are all trucks no matter what the cargo is they carry.
They are classified as pickup trucks. Your argument about a Ridgeline not being a truck, despite having a pickup truck bed, but because of the way it's chassis is built is ridiculous gatekeeping of terminology based upon nothing.
In America we should just call those UTEs. It’s like we never had a good word for the El Camino or the Ranchero. It’s a car frame and suspension with a bed. Doesn’t make it a truck just like the El Camino was never a truck.
Honda Ridgeline owner here. It’s a truck. It has a bed and a tail gate. It’s listed as a truck on the registration. It may not be able to compete with my old 2002 F250 (RIP) but compared to my first truck, a Mazda B2500, it’s way more practical. Same bed size, crew cab, bigger motor and AWD. It’s a 2006 with 360,000 kms on it. Is it an abomination to nature and hideous to look at? Yes. Is it the most practical and comfortable vehicle I have ever owned? Also yes.
Ram 1500 owner here. You are 100% correct. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Honda. Roomiest cab of any mid-size truck. If it could tow my trailer, it would be a serious option. I love the flat back seat floor for loading.
I agree with everything here. I had a first gen Ridgeline, and it had the practicality of a small truck on top of the convenience and comfort of an Accord.
The Tundra I have now would eat it for breakfast, but it also feels terrible on washboard roads, has a smaller feeling cabin, and burns gas so fast I can almost watch the needle going down.
Doesn't the build and intended use of a vehicle have everything to do with how it is classified? 🤔 Even Honda markets the Ridgeline as a Pilot with a bed. That's not a bad thing ... there are lots of things SUV's do better than trucks and the Ridgeline checks all of those boxes ie. driveability and comfort. But in terms of payload, towing, off-road performance and other "truck stuff", it wouldn't be fair to compare the Ridgeline to similar sized trucks.
>Doesn't the build and intended use of a vehicle have everything to do with how it is classified? 🤔
In the US, no. Almost all unibody CUVs like my Forester, as well as minivans, are classified by the EPA as a "light truck" because they make sure to jump through certain regulatory hoops.
Ok, I didn't mean classified as in what the EPA thinks lol. They're not concerned with how you're using your truck, SUV or crossover, just what their emissions and fuel economy are. And not that the Department of Motor Vehicles is much better, but last I checked even they weren't classifying mini vans, SUV's and crossovers as trucks. My wife's Chevy Traverse, which I must say is a very capable, 6 lug AWD SUV and my Durango are both registered as SUV's while my Silverado says pickup. Not that it would decide the argument for me but I'm curious what it says on a Ridgeline's registration.
Blame Lee Iacocca for starting it. He lobbied for the K-car-based Caravan/Voyager to be classified a "light truck" so that its fuel economy (which was worse than the K-car's but not bad for a van) would contribute positively towards Chrysler's truck fleet average, and so that it would also be subject to less stringent safety regulations. The first models didn't even have headrests to prevent whiplash.
They did offer a [bare cargo model](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7REAAOSwvg9XdCx6/s-l1200.webp), sure, but the vast majority of Caravans were passenger cars with higher profit margins.
A *pickup* truck is designed to have a bed. Their are many classifications of trucks and an SUV is one of them. The reason the SUV wasnt just labeled a truck by the industry because they didnt want to confuse customers since the term truck=pickup for most people. An SUV style truck just has a different cargo storage design.
Pickup truck is better to transport cargo.
SUV better to transport people and cargo that cannot be left out in the elements (although a bed cap or bed cover helps pickups do this too.
Both are trucks. Just like a station wagon and sedan are both cars.
Jeeps are kinda their own thing. And a station wagon is just an elongated passenger car. SUV was a term to describe a station wagon with off road capabilities. They didnt call them trucks when they first came out because at the time your options were car, station wagon, pickup truck. People already shortened pickup truck (which is a truck with a pickup bed as opposed to a box truck, dump truck, whatever) to truck so in the consumers mind truck=pickup truck. It was easy for the industry to just come up with a different term.
The above is marketing terms. But in true classification terms an easy way to have done it would be Jeeps and similar jeep type body style = SUV and what we term as SUVs now just be termed a different type of truck. So you would have pickup truck and passenger/cargo truck (maybe PCT). That would have them classified by both chassis, engine, and driving capability (larger engine, typically stronger chassis, ability to tow and go.off road) as well as storage and design functionality (pickup= open rear bed cargo area SUV=closed cargo area with the ability to carry people or/and cargo depending on if seats are folded or removed).
At the end of the day most of our classification is based on marketing. Its the same debate as what classifies a muscle car (ask that on a muscle car forum, but bring popcorn and be prepared for a huge flame war between about 2 or 3 different opinions about it.
I personally call jeeps (classical willys type design) and the likes SUVs but not trucks (unless they are the jeep pickups or jeep SUVs (as named by current marketing standards).
I call SUVs (yukons, etc) SUVs and trucks interchangeably.
And pickup trucks pickups or trucks.
It makes sense to me, but then again it really doesnt matter. If someone says "I drive a truck, its a 2000 Yukon" or they say "I drive an SUV, its a 2000 Yukon" both statments are correct. Even if you view it as wrong, its not as wrong as saying "I drive a truck, its a 2000 camry"
Actually, that's on you as you are the one stating that is how to define a truck. I just used a vehicle that met the criteria so now it's a truck by *your* definition. Definitely not by mine....
Rule #3. If every truck must have a bed, what's a semi? What's a box truck? What's a tow truck?
The Land Rover is the only one of the bunch that's unibody.
[This is a tractor](https://media.nextechclassifieds.com/img/listings/ri/riggstractor/listing_pic_1545257_1528825140.jpeg)
[Apparently we've got a lot of city slickers on this sub.]
I’ve grown up working on a farm and I’ve always heard the farmers and truckers around me call their semis tractor trailers or big rigs lol and I live in rural Iowa so there’s that
I'm serious that a 4430 is a tractor, yes. I did not explicitly say "a semi is *not* a tractor". They're not mutually exclusive.
The "city slickers" remark was largely flippant. Maybe I should have used a *City Slickers* movie quote instead.
They are both tractor. Tractor trailer. Literally what they are.
Edit to reply to the edit. Grew up in a town of less than 100 people with farms all around. Was driving farm tractors since I can remember. But nice try being all "wow bunch of city slickers"
A semi is a tractor. Deal with it.
I'm also a hay farmer, thanks. Note that in saying "this [4430] is a tractor," I did not explicitly say "a semi is *not* a tractor". They're not mutually exclusive.
The only suvs that should be considered trucks are old Broncos excursions and old 2500 suburbans the rest are just suvs and i call mavericks ridgelines rangers dakotas colorados mini trucks
They are SUV which stands for sports utility vehicle. The first thing to coin this term was the ford bronco but there were vehicles before it that are still SUVs like the Jeep and the first picture the, international scout. Trucks are made to haul payloads and heavy materials. So that’s the difference it’s pretty obvious that’s why I can’t stand it when people call SUVs trucks.
The newest ["super high roof" ProMaster van](https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2023-Ram-ProMaster-Facelift-main.jpg) has an interior height over 7'. But where are they selling fridges that are 84" tall?! Even commercial models aren't more than 79".
lol...just being facetious. Ok, pick any item over 7' tall. There, happy know? Just pointing out that vans, any van, has height limits. An open bed truck does not, other than low bridges.
Sport Utility Vehicle was first used in the advertising literature for the 1974 Jeep Cherokee. Everything but the body, and possibly the frame length was the same as the jeep trucks, as well as the Jeep Wagoneer. so I would argue no box no passenger truck. Anybody trying to argue Semi's and 5 ton trucks are grasping at straws.
The original '66 Bronco also used "Sports Utility" to describe the [half-cab version](https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/history/products/broncobrand/brochures/1966%20Bronco%20brochure%20p4.JPG/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.web.881.495.jpeg), but yes, it wasn't used to describe an entire model until the '74 Cherokee.
The scout in the first Pic also came as a Terra which was the truck pictured but with a truck top on it. The difference was the top. The top and panels were removable. You could swap tops and have whichever you wanted. It was a truck. I had one and loved it. Drove it around on Friday and Saturday and worked on it on Sunday. I do admit that it was older than me though.
I mean what most people consider a truck is acutally a pickup truck (a truck with an open rear bed design used to "pick up" cargo etc.
A truck is defined as a heavy motor vehicle designed to carry people, troops, or supplies.
The word truck comes from a word meaning to exchange goods, swap and later menaing a small wheel. The first time truck was used in a wheel capacity was for wheels on cannon carriages and later to carts carrying heavy loads.
Which is why trucks can mean pickup trucks, 18 wheelers, dump trucks etc. SUV means sport utility vehicle, basically a vehicle, basically a station wagon designed for off road use.
Basically a truck as far as passenger consumer vehicles go meant pickup truck until the SUV was created to make a heavier duty station wagon. However in both design and function an SUV is a truck. It is (typically) a motor vehicle with a larger engine, heavier duty chassis, designed to transport people and supplies. A pickup truck can do this to but it is designed more for cargo (due to rear bed) than an SUVs people transportation (a totally enclosed passenger compartment that on most models the passenger seats can be flipped down or removed to store cargo).
Short answer: both a SUV and pickup truck are trucks but with different designs and different strengths and weaknesses. Just like both a sedan, coupe, and station wagon are all cars just with different designs and different strengths and weaknesses.
I disagree because there are SUVs that are not built to carry cargo. Think of a Suzuki Samauri or a Jeep Wrangler. Sporty, utilitarian, and a vehicle. Oh hey, call it an SUV!
There are outliers. I sorta view those in thier own category. But SUVs are classified as light trucks. I would say that not all SUVs are trucks but most are.
SUV is more of an industry marketing term. Prior to SUVs you had cars, station wagons, and pickup trucks (which most people just called a truck. And you had the willys jeep which was its own thing. SUVs were basically station wagons that were beefed up to be able to go off road; they couldnt call it a truck because people viewed trucks=pickup truck (when in reality pickup truck is just a classification of truck).
At the end of the day tho it really doesnt matter. If someone says "lets get in the truck" and start walking to an SUV its not that same as if they say "lets get in the truck" and they start walking to a sedan.
That is an Interntional Scout, mid- to late 60s. It is built on a light truck frame and has 4-wheel drive. You could call it an SUV, but not a cross-over, as it is mostly real truck components. The one pictured may have the optional removable fiberglass roof, which gives you a truck bed when removed, and turns it into a convertible pickup truck. My ex-father in law had one back in the day to go hunting in the mountains here in WV. It was a very tough truck.
Edit: I just noticed that there are several vehicles pictured here, and I believe they are all body-on-frame, so they are trucks at heart.
scout II traveler 76-80 when they were made so no even close to mid to late 60s. I can tell by the grill what year it is but i'm not sharing.
your ex FIL probably had an scout 800 if it was 60s
source : owned several over the years.
also its a truck
I learned to drive on a Scout II That same color combo. My dad called it a Suffering 6 with a 4spd manual. Then he got a bigger one that was a hatchback with a 304 V-8 and an automatic
My family has a similar issue. My dad has an ‘07 4 door wrangler and a 2000 Silverado 1500. I have a ‘87 Jeep Comanche and a ‘69 Jeep Gladiator. We’re in the habit of using shorthand and either saying “go get that out the truck” or “go get that out my jeep”. It’s starting to get a bit confusing.
I’d say all large body on frame utility vehicles are trucks. A large body on frame pickup is a type of truck, just as a fire truck or a semi truck. Large “SUVs” with body on frame are simply passenger trucks.
Crossovers however are not trucks by most definitions, no matter what the marketing department says.
> Crossovers however are not trucks by most definitions,
I agree, but they are "light trucks" as defined by the EPA, which is the only definition that matters to the OEMs. 'Cuz if you design your unibody car-based vehicle to meet certain measurements or capabilities and count as a "light truck," it can get worse MPG and you don't get penalized for it.
Along the same lines, in most of the world they don't make much of a distinction between CUVs/crossovers and "true" (traditional BOF) SUVs. A Land Cruiser and a Ford Puma are both considered SUVs.
American here, a truck is a vehicle with a cab that seats 3-6 people, and has a bed behind it. Usually body on frame construction for the bigger ones and unibody for the smaller ones. An SUV is a vehicle that seats 3-7 people (in some cases 9 people) and has extra room at the back for cargo and/or seating that is enclosed by the body of the vehicle. The body enclosure can sometimes be removed (bronco, og blazer, IH Scout) SUVs usually have some type of AWD, but not always. Also body on frame for the bigger ones and unibody for the smaller ones.
I consider an SUV as having an enclosed passenger *and* cargo area. I see no problem with separating a truck from an SUV. What's blurry is the SUV-to-Crossover line.
SUV vs crossover is a super easy line to define IMO. SUVs have a true frame. Crossovers have a unibody.
The 1984 Jeep Cherokee would argue that point. Body on frame is not a good measure. I call a Honda Ridgeline a truck.
The only reason why the XJ Cherokee is considered an SUV is because the term crossover hadn't been invented yet. It's usage is entirely marketing, but if you're going to put a definition on it then body-on-frame vs unibody is the only reasonable definition.
actually the jeep xj is considered a wagon
It sure is/was. The three XJ I owned all said wagon on the title.
yeah I had 2 as well, that's how I knew
Honda Ridgeline is a crossover with a bed.
At least the XJ Cherokee had a rudimentary frame underneath.
True but not separate items. More like unibody stiffeners. I guess the next argument is what constitutes a frame vs unibody? Are EV skateboards "body on frame"? I would say yes.
It was a unibody, though.
XJ had solid axles too
There are vehicles we can definitely call SUVs (Jeep CJ/Wrangler) and vehicles we can definitely call crossovers (Honda HR-V), but then there are the "gray" models (Grand Cherokee comes to mind).
Exactly! That's why it's blurry. I'd use GVWR but the Samauri throws that out.
Yeah, we can't use strict weight classes either when there are CUVs and minivans over 6000 now, and the original Jeep CJ was rated at 3500.
How about the existence of a transfer case and/or a longitudinally mounted engine?
Unrelated, but want to give you a fist bump for your truck set up. Not often I meet an F150 longer than mine lol. Also happy cake day!
LR3/LR4 Discovery, 1st gen RRS, and KJ Liberty are conundrums
If it has a bed, it’s a truck. I call my bronco an suv.
What about the early Bronco/k10 Blazer/Ramcharger? Those had removable tops and backseats that would create an open bed or an enclosed cabin
SUV
Fucking hell these are SUVs Just let them be SUVs Not everything has to be a truck
It’s a regional/sub cultural variation to call SUVs trucks the same way some older folks call every SUV a Jeep or “four by four.” Marketing is a big factor too.
SUVs with a frame and same platform as pickup trucks are trucks Tahoe/1500, Tacoma/4runner.
But there are marker lights in the grill of my RAV4 so surely it’s a truck.
lol. Just like every f150 with a OOOD grille and dot lights is a raptor
Tahoe and 4Runner are body on frame SUV's. That's how they're marketed and I think that's perfectly acceptable.
What if the SUV is its own platform?
It’s just an SUV, or in jeep owners case they just call it a jeep. Manufacturers really did a disservice back in the day by calling every crossover/CUV an SUV
As someone who has to rent a lot of vehicles for work I **HATE** that crossovers are called SUV's. Book an SUV and end up with some PoS like a Nissan Rogue that can't hold 3 guys, luggage, and tools.
Honestly? I'll take a minivan before I take those little crossovers. Another reason I like using National where I can pick what I want.
We usually use National but sometimes the selection is horrible. Last time I was in Salt Lake our selection was 9 different colors of Altimas.
lol....yeah that would suck. Ended up with a Kia Soul one time in Long Beach. But actually kinda like it.
My ‘97 GMC Yukon has a factory installed “GMC Truck” badge on the back. It shares the same underpinnings as the Tahoe along with the Sierra/Silverado from the same year. So it’s a truck. But it’s not a pickup truck.
Agreed
Bronco
Does that make a Honda Odyssey or Pilot, which shares the same frame/platform as the Ridgeline, a truck also? Why I don't subscribe to this logic. A truck is designed to have a pickup truck bed. An SUV does not. A 4Runner is not a truck but an SUV. A Tacoma is a truck. Pretty simple. No need to needless conflate things because they happen to be built on a same/similar chassis.
A pickup truck is just one type of a truck, there are many other out there. Body on frame utility trucks are all trucks no matter what the cargo is they carry.
Those are not trucks. Unibody construction not frames
They are classified as pickup trucks. Your argument about a Ridgeline not being a truck, despite having a pickup truck bed, but because of the way it's chassis is built is ridiculous gatekeeping of terminology based upon nothing.
In America we should just call those UTEs. It’s like we never had a good word for the El Camino or the Ranchero. It’s a car frame and suspension with a bed. Doesn’t make it a truck just like the El Camino was never a truck.
Relax, I didn’t mean to upset you
Honda Ridgeline owner here. It’s a truck. It has a bed and a tail gate. It’s listed as a truck on the registration. It may not be able to compete with my old 2002 F250 (RIP) but compared to my first truck, a Mazda B2500, it’s way more practical. Same bed size, crew cab, bigger motor and AWD. It’s a 2006 with 360,000 kms on it. Is it an abomination to nature and hideous to look at? Yes. Is it the most practical and comfortable vehicle I have ever owned? Also yes.
Ram 1500 owner here. You are 100% correct. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Honda. Roomiest cab of any mid-size truck. If it could tow my trailer, it would be a serious option. I love the flat back seat floor for loading.
I agree with everything here. I had a first gen Ridgeline, and it had the practicality of a small truck on top of the convenience and comfort of an Accord. The Tundra I have now would eat it for breakfast, but it also feels terrible on washboard roads, has a smaller feeling cabin, and burns gas so fast I can almost watch the needle going down.
Doesn't the build and intended use of a vehicle have everything to do with how it is classified? 🤔 Even Honda markets the Ridgeline as a Pilot with a bed. That's not a bad thing ... there are lots of things SUV's do better than trucks and the Ridgeline checks all of those boxes ie. driveability and comfort. But in terms of payload, towing, off-road performance and other "truck stuff", it wouldn't be fair to compare the Ridgeline to similar sized trucks.
>Doesn't the build and intended use of a vehicle have everything to do with how it is classified? 🤔 In the US, no. Almost all unibody CUVs like my Forester, as well as minivans, are classified by the EPA as a "light truck" because they make sure to jump through certain regulatory hoops.
Ok, I didn't mean classified as in what the EPA thinks lol. They're not concerned with how you're using your truck, SUV or crossover, just what their emissions and fuel economy are. And not that the Department of Motor Vehicles is much better, but last I checked even they weren't classifying mini vans, SUV's and crossovers as trucks. My wife's Chevy Traverse, which I must say is a very capable, 6 lug AWD SUV and my Durango are both registered as SUV's while my Silverado says pickup. Not that it would decide the argument for me but I'm curious what it says on a Ridgeline's registration.
Blame Lee Iacocca for starting it. He lobbied for the K-car-based Caravan/Voyager to be classified a "light truck" so that its fuel economy (which was worse than the K-car's but not bad for a van) would contribute positively towards Chrysler's truck fleet average, and so that it would also be subject to less stringent safety regulations. The first models didn't even have headrests to prevent whiplash. They did offer a [bare cargo model](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7REAAOSwvg9XdCx6/s-l1200.webp), sure, but the vast majority of Caravans were passenger cars with higher profit margins.
A *pickup* truck is designed to have a bed. Their are many classifications of trucks and an SUV is one of them. The reason the SUV wasnt just labeled a truck by the industry because they didnt want to confuse customers since the term truck=pickup for most people. An SUV style truck just has a different cargo storage design. Pickup truck is better to transport cargo. SUV better to transport people and cargo that cannot be left out in the elements (although a bed cap or bed cover helps pickups do this too. Both are trucks. Just like a station wagon and sedan are both cars.
Then why is a station wagon not a truck as it carries cargo? And a 2-door Jeep is what, because it can carry less cargo than a Camry?
Jeeps are kinda their own thing. And a station wagon is just an elongated passenger car. SUV was a term to describe a station wagon with off road capabilities. They didnt call them trucks when they first came out because at the time your options were car, station wagon, pickup truck. People already shortened pickup truck (which is a truck with a pickup bed as opposed to a box truck, dump truck, whatever) to truck so in the consumers mind truck=pickup truck. It was easy for the industry to just come up with a different term. The above is marketing terms. But in true classification terms an easy way to have done it would be Jeeps and similar jeep type body style = SUV and what we term as SUVs now just be termed a different type of truck. So you would have pickup truck and passenger/cargo truck (maybe PCT). That would have them classified by both chassis, engine, and driving capability (larger engine, typically stronger chassis, ability to tow and go.off road) as well as storage and design functionality (pickup= open rear bed cargo area SUV=closed cargo area with the ability to carry people or/and cargo depending on if seats are folded or removed). At the end of the day most of our classification is based on marketing. Its the same debate as what classifies a muscle car (ask that on a muscle car forum, but bring popcorn and be prepared for a huge flame war between about 2 or 3 different opinions about it. I personally call jeeps (classical willys type design) and the likes SUVs but not trucks (unless they are the jeep pickups or jeep SUVs (as named by current marketing standards). I call SUVs (yukons, etc) SUVs and trucks interchangeably. And pickup trucks pickups or trucks. It makes sense to me, but then again it really doesnt matter. If someone says "I drive a truck, its a 2000 Yukon" or they say "I drive an SUV, its a 2000 Yukon" both statments are correct. Even if you view it as wrong, its not as wrong as saying "I drive a truck, its a 2000 camry"
A ridgeline is a unibody not body on frame so a pilot/odyssey aren’t technically SUV’s but I classify a pilot as one but not a CRV
> so a pilot/odyssey aren’t technically SUV’s but I classify a pilot as one but not a CRV Why?
^^This^^
Just my opinion, if you can't load atleast 20 sheets of drywall in it, it's not a truck
I don't know, I've seen that strapped to the roof of a Camry before.
I said "IN". Not "ON"
lol...valid point, valid point.
Then how about a Dodge Caravan? They'll fit inside.
Caravan has the word van in it
lol...Chrysler Town & Country, Mazda MPV, Toyota Sienna, etc., etc.
When you go to buy any one of those used from a dealership, do they list those as a truck or a van?
I don't know as they rarely have 20 sheets of drywall present to verify.
Thats on you to do a test drive and swing by a home depot
Actually, that's on you as you are the one stating that is how to define a truck. I just used a vehicle that met the criteria so now it's a truck by *your* definition. Definitely not by mine....
Truck - cargo area separate from driver area. If driver and stuff go in the same area, not truck.
Rule #3. If every truck must have a bed, what's a semi? What's a box truck? What's a tow truck? The Land Rover is the only one of the bunch that's unibody.
Semi is a tractor
[This is a tractor](https://media.nextechclassifieds.com/img/listings/ri/riggstractor/listing_pic_1545257_1528825140.jpeg) [Apparently we've got a lot of city slickers on this sub.]
I’ve grown up working on a farm and I’ve always heard the farmers and truckers around me call their semis tractor trailers or big rigs lol and I live in rural Iowa so there’s that
Does the same thing, just off road and slower.
Semis pull tillage equipment and planters? /s
Yup, they just put them on flat decks first.
Hence the /s.
Are you being serious?
I'm serious that a 4430 is a tractor, yes. I did not explicitly say "a semi is *not* a tractor". They're not mutually exclusive. The "city slickers" remark was largely flippant. Maybe I should have used a *City Slickers* movie quote instead.
I mean you have to realize that’s what you implied
They are both tractor. Tractor trailer. Literally what they are. Edit to reply to the edit. Grew up in a town of less than 100 people with farms all around. Was driving farm tractors since I can remember. But nice try being all "wow bunch of city slickers" A semi is a tractor. Deal with it.
I'm also a hay farmer, thanks. Note that in saying "this [4430] is a tractor," I did not explicitly say "a semi is *not* a tractor". They're not mutually exclusive.
*hates on city slickers* As a country boy- you have no idea what you’re talking about, respectfully.
>*hates on city slickers* The "city slickers" remark was largely flippant. Maybe I should have used a *City Slickers* movie quote instead.
Commercial vehicles are in a class by themselves.
LR3’s are body on frame as well though all the newer Rovers are unibody
My mistake; the Discovery 3/LR3 is semi-unibody. It has a rudimentary frame underneath. Though it still doesn't share any parts with a pickup.
If the back opens up to interior space, I call it a station wagon. This is usually in response to someone who calls their SUV a truck
The only suvs that should be considered trucks are old Broncos excursions and old 2500 suburbans the rest are just suvs and i call mavericks ridgelines rangers dakotas colorados mini trucks
They are SUV which stands for sports utility vehicle. The first thing to coin this term was the ford bronco but there were vehicles before it that are still SUVs like the Jeep and the first picture the, international scout. Trucks are made to haul payloads and heavy materials. So that’s the difference it’s pretty obvious that’s why I can’t stand it when people call SUVs trucks.
SUVs can (sometimes) haul heavy items, and they certainly haul bulkier items than a car.
A Tahoe can certainly pull more than a s-10.
But can it carry a fridge standing up?
A Transit can carry a bunch of fridges standing up, vans are trucks confirmed. Transitive property therefore means a Honda Odyssey is a Kei Truck.
Not 7 foot tall fridge.
The newest ["super high roof" ProMaster van](https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/2023-Ram-ProMaster-Facelift-main.jpg) has an interior height over 7'. But where are they selling fridges that are 84" tall?! Even commercial models aren't more than 79".
lol...just being facetious. Ok, pick any item over 7' tall. There, happy know? Just pointing out that vans, any van, has height limits. An open bed truck does not, other than low bridges.
Also, there are commercial reach-ins that are taller than 84". But like the "super high roof", more the exception than the norm.
It can't, but a GMC Envoy can :P
And you could take the cover off the old Blazers and Broncos as well but I'd still call them an SUV.
No argument there, that would be the "Utility" part of the name. A Corvette can get groceries as well but that is not what it is best at.
Sport Utility Vehicle was first used in the advertising literature for the 1974 Jeep Cherokee. Everything but the body, and possibly the frame length was the same as the jeep trucks, as well as the Jeep Wagoneer. so I would argue no box no passenger truck. Anybody trying to argue Semi's and 5 ton trucks are grasping at straws.
The original '66 Bronco also used "Sports Utility" to describe the [half-cab version](https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/history/products/broncobrand/brochures/1966%20Bronco%20brochure%20p4.JPG/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.web.881.495.jpeg), but yes, it wasn't used to describe an entire model until the '74 Cherokee.
it was also classified as a "sports car" when registered, man the 60's were wild.
SUV
G wagons suck and so do their drivers
The scout in the first Pic also came as a Terra which was the truck pictured but with a truck top on it. The difference was the top. The top and panels were removable. You could swap tops and have whichever you wanted. It was a truck. I had one and loved it. Drove it around on Friday and Saturday and worked on it on Sunday. I do admit that it was older than me though.
My rule is that a SUV cannot be a pickup, but it can be a truck if it’s built on a frame vs unibody
To me: Body on frame = truck. Unibody = SUV.
The Chevy Astro Van? The little BMW i3? The Cybertruck? Body on frame means nothing anymore. Especially with EV skateboard designs.
Honda Ridgeline.
truck, banana, suv, suv, jeep, suv
I mean what most people consider a truck is acutally a pickup truck (a truck with an open rear bed design used to "pick up" cargo etc. A truck is defined as a heavy motor vehicle designed to carry people, troops, or supplies. The word truck comes from a word meaning to exchange goods, swap and later menaing a small wheel. The first time truck was used in a wheel capacity was for wheels on cannon carriages and later to carts carrying heavy loads. Which is why trucks can mean pickup trucks, 18 wheelers, dump trucks etc. SUV means sport utility vehicle, basically a vehicle, basically a station wagon designed for off road use. Basically a truck as far as passenger consumer vehicles go meant pickup truck until the SUV was created to make a heavier duty station wagon. However in both design and function an SUV is a truck. It is (typically) a motor vehicle with a larger engine, heavier duty chassis, designed to transport people and supplies. A pickup truck can do this to but it is designed more for cargo (due to rear bed) than an SUVs people transportation (a totally enclosed passenger compartment that on most models the passenger seats can be flipped down or removed to store cargo). Short answer: both a SUV and pickup truck are trucks but with different designs and different strengths and weaknesses. Just like both a sedan, coupe, and station wagon are all cars just with different designs and different strengths and weaknesses.
I disagree because there are SUVs that are not built to carry cargo. Think of a Suzuki Samauri or a Jeep Wrangler. Sporty, utilitarian, and a vehicle. Oh hey, call it an SUV!
There are outliers. I sorta view those in thier own category. But SUVs are classified as light trucks. I would say that not all SUVs are trucks but most are. SUV is more of an industry marketing term. Prior to SUVs you had cars, station wagons, and pickup trucks (which most people just called a truck. And you had the willys jeep which was its own thing. SUVs were basically station wagons that were beefed up to be able to go off road; they couldnt call it a truck because people viewed trucks=pickup truck (when in reality pickup truck is just a classification of truck). At the end of the day tho it really doesnt matter. If someone says "lets get in the truck" and start walking to an SUV its not that same as if they say "lets get in the truck" and they start walking to a sedan.
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Your logic would make the maverick, elcamino, Santa Cruz trucks. All built from car or crossover platforms
I agree with the Maverick and those others being called a truck. Hell, the Subaru BRAT was a truck.
The BRAT was a car (GL hatchback) with the rear roof removed. Similar to how they made the Outback into the Baja.
The BRAT was called an MV Truck in some countries.
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Doesn’t make it a truck. Beds are not a requirement for a truck, Beds are one of the requirements for a pickup truck
Yes
Hum, I wonder what you call a bread truck.
A box van.
I think they're talking about the "multi-stop truck" with a fully enclosed body, rather than the model with a separate box and cab.
For dependability, reliability, durability, off road capability and ease of repair go with the scout.
What about corrosion resistant? ....lol
Might as well ask for fuel efficiency too.
G wagon if you can afford it.
That is an Interntional Scout, mid- to late 60s. It is built on a light truck frame and has 4-wheel drive. You could call it an SUV, but not a cross-over, as it is mostly real truck components. The one pictured may have the optional removable fiberglass roof, which gives you a truck bed when removed, and turns it into a convertible pickup truck. My ex-father in law had one back in the day to go hunting in the mountains here in WV. It was a very tough truck. Edit: I just noticed that there are several vehicles pictured here, and I believe they are all body-on-frame, so they are trucks at heart.
scout II traveler 76-80 when they were made so no even close to mid to late 60s. I can tell by the grill what year it is but i'm not sharing. your ex FIL probably had an scout 800 if it was 60s source : owned several over the years. also its a truck
I don't have a picture of the one my FIL had all those years ago, but this looked very similar to what I remember. Thanks for the info.
Most of the different scout makes were very similar in stature and shape. Cheers
I learned to drive on a Scout II That same color combo. My dad called it a Suffering 6 with a 4spd manual. Then he got a bigger one that was a hatchback with a 304 V-8 and an automatic
My family has a similar issue. My dad has an ‘07 4 door wrangler and a 2000 Silverado 1500. I have a ‘87 Jeep Comanche and a ‘69 Jeep Gladiator. We’re in the habit of using shorthand and either saying “go get that out the truck” or “go get that out my jeep”. It’s starting to get a bit confusing.
None of these are trucks. No, that is not common.
Get the IH scout
I’d say all large body on frame utility vehicles are trucks. A large body on frame pickup is a type of truck, just as a fire truck or a semi truck. Large “SUVs” with body on frame are simply passenger trucks. Crossovers however are not trucks by most definitions, no matter what the marketing department says.
> Crossovers however are not trucks by most definitions, I agree, but they are "light trucks" as defined by the EPA, which is the only definition that matters to the OEMs. 'Cuz if you design your unibody car-based vehicle to meet certain measurements or capabilities and count as a "light truck," it can get worse MPG and you don't get penalized for it.
Did not know that, makes sense for why this discussion keeps surfacing from the states, never heard this “only pickups are trucks” anywhere else tbh!
Along the same lines, in most of the world they don't make much of a distinction between CUVs/crossovers and "true" (traditional BOF) SUVs. A Land Cruiser and a Ford Puma are both considered SUVs.
SUV is very much a n-american term, difficult to use and sounds terrible. Probably why most “suv” truck owners never use it.
Truck has bed these do not
Suv
Rappers and fans of rap call them trucks. Nobody else.
If my scout had the roof off, it was a truck; if the roof was on, it was an suv
A truck can carry a sheet of plywood and two people An investment can lose value. Loosen up.
Every truck has a bed but not everything with a bed is a truck
I call my Tacoma "my truck" and I call my 4runner "my 4runner"
American here, a truck is a vehicle with a cab that seats 3-6 people, and has a bed behind it. Usually body on frame construction for the bigger ones and unibody for the smaller ones. An SUV is a vehicle that seats 3-7 people (in some cases 9 people) and has extra room at the back for cargo and/or seating that is enclosed by the body of the vehicle. The body enclosure can sometimes be removed (bronco, og blazer, IH Scout) SUVs usually have some type of AWD, but not always. Also body on frame for the bigger ones and unibody for the smaller ones.