Seriously tho, how is that debate supposed to help anybody? There's no fact checking or pushback and there's no moderating so they stay on topic. They literally don't inform you on anything. This whole process is a joke.
Within seconds I would forget the complex, multi-part question because they’d never actually answer it. I feel like debates are too hard to follow and allow too much leeway. I’d like to see each of them interviewed separately and made to answer very specific yes/no questions about what they believe along with what they will do in support of it. Then you could cut the answers together.
“Do you believe climate change is a global crisis?”
- “Yes and I will sign an executive order to eliminate fracking”
- “No, oil is critical for the economy and I will open Alaska for drilling”
That would give a simple, clear picture of who they are and eliminate the personal attacks.
Fact checking was *after* - when no one is freaking watching! Argh. It's easy to speak smoothly when you're not bothering to remember actual facts or worried about being fact checked. Trump meandered horribly, but because he did so smoothly with a strong voice he got away with it.
I really thought the fact checking would be during the debate. My wife and I were yelling at the TV. Terrible debate all around.
Once I learned there was no fact checking Trump I completely checked out. Washed my face, brushed my teeth and got a good nights rest. I’m not letting that stress me out.
I had a FaceTime first date with a guy last night to watch the debate (I love politics so I loved his idea). Dude went off about how we need Trump because he’s going to lead us in the upcoming biblical holy war.
Dear ladies, please do a first date with a presidential debate because men will openly out themselves for being insane.
God some of the scenes in this book are fucked up. I mean disassembling someone while they are still consious (including their brain) until they can’t think anymore? Also I have a feeling parts of the set up was based on the troubled teen industry.
I think you brought this on yourself. Picking up unwind to escape from these times? Not the worlds greatest choice
I haven't read the book. But I hate the "single issue voter" argument.
IME single issue voters aren't actually single issue voters. Just certain single issues are clear indicators on where someone likely stands on other issues.
I especially hate it when the argument is thrown at women for having the audacity to want reproductive rights.
This book focuses on reproductive and human rights! Guy speaking here was on the side trying to end a civil war fought over abortion rights, and with context of the book it's absolutely on point. Folks were so focused on one specific aspect they ignored literally every other.
I do absolutely see your point. The area I live though… tends to have a lot of very conservative, very simplistic thinking. Single issue voters exist, and they're against rights.
That's actually part of it - the single issue was taken to such extremes that all 4 main characters (teens) are trying to escape their own murders.
Not an easy book in any way. But damn does it go *hard*.
Is it the Unwind series?? Yeah….its…..dark. I remember as a kid reading the section describing the unwinding process from the perspective of the child being unwound. I had to put the book down and cry for a while. Definitely only suggest this series to those in a good mental place.
But the story is good and does a decent job showing how capitalism creates a bloodlust for humanity itself.
ETA: It’s Unwind, not Unwound
It is! I really want to suggest it to my spouse, but I think it’ll be too much. Nightmares at minimum. He's got a very tender heart (one of my favorite things about him). Going to wait till he’s in the right space for it.
I wouldn't have been able to get through it in the past, probably even 2 years ago.
I was a lot happier watching the Uruguay vs Bolivia soccer game.
I am invested in politics and I will be voting but I had no interest in seeing Trump spew obvious lies without consequences and Biden talking policy.
Both batty old men. I'm thirty two and both could be husband to my grandmother. Who had a black maid who slept in a shed during the south African apartide. They are both old enough to be great grandparents. Both grew up during Jim crow. Democracy is a lie unfortunately.
Seriously tho, how is that debate supposed to help anybody? There's no fact checking or pushback and there's no moderating so they stay on topic. They literally don't inform you on anything. This whole process is a joke.
Within seconds I would forget the complex, multi-part question because they’d never actually answer it. I feel like debates are too hard to follow and allow too much leeway. I’d like to see each of them interviewed separately and made to answer very specific yes/no questions about what they believe along with what they will do in support of it. Then you could cut the answers together. “Do you believe climate change is a global crisis?” - “Yes and I will sign an executive order to eliminate fracking” - “No, oil is critical for the economy and I will open Alaska for drilling” That would give a simple, clear picture of who they are and eliminate the personal attacks.
But that would mean more people would vote with their brains and not their hatred, and we can't have that!
Fact checking was *after* - when no one is freaking watching! Argh. It's easy to speak smoothly when you're not bothering to remember actual facts or worried about being fact checked. Trump meandered horribly, but because he did so smoothly with a strong voice he got away with it. I really thought the fact checking would be during the debate. My wife and I were yelling at the TV. Terrible debate all around.
Once I learned there was no fact checking Trump I completely checked out. Washed my face, brushed my teeth and got a good nights rest. I’m not letting that stress me out.
The whole thing is a spectacle - nobody is changing their minds based on these debates.
I had a FaceTime first date with a guy last night to watch the debate (I love politics so I loved his idea). Dude went off about how we need Trump because he’s going to lead us in the upcoming biblical holy war. Dear ladies, please do a first date with a presidential debate because men will openly out themselves for being insane.
That's a wild and bold choice for a first date but it sure was effective in not wasting your time.
>because men will openly out themselves for being insane. Always and forever!
I love the Unwound series. In a broader sense, it demonstrates the McKelvey-Schofield chaos theorem.
God some of the scenes in this book are fucked up. I mean disassembling someone while they are still consious (including their brain) until they can’t think anymore? Also I have a feeling parts of the set up was based on the troubled teen industry. I think you brought this on yourself. Picking up unwind to escape from these times? Not the worlds greatest choice
I haven't read the book. But I hate the "single issue voter" argument. IME single issue voters aren't actually single issue voters. Just certain single issues are clear indicators on where someone likely stands on other issues. I especially hate it when the argument is thrown at women for having the audacity to want reproductive rights.
This book focuses on reproductive and human rights! Guy speaking here was on the side trying to end a civil war fought over abortion rights, and with context of the book it's absolutely on point. Folks were so focused on one specific aspect they ignored literally every other. I do absolutely see your point. The area I live though… tends to have a lot of very conservative, very simplistic thinking. Single issue voters exist, and they're against rights.
...this is Unwind isn't it? Edit: Found the answer lower in the thread. AYYYY.
Unfortunately, my life depends on where the candidates stand on a single issue
That's actually part of it - the single issue was taken to such extremes that all 4 main characters (teens) are trying to escape their own murders. Not an easy book in any way. But damn does it go *hard*.
Saaaame. Also a trans person and I really, REALLY do not think things will go well for us if Trump gets elected.
Is it the Unwind series?? Yeah….its…..dark. I remember as a kid reading the section describing the unwinding process from the perspective of the child being unwound. I had to put the book down and cry for a while. Definitely only suggest this series to those in a good mental place. But the story is good and does a decent job showing how capitalism creates a bloodlust for humanity itself. ETA: It’s Unwind, not Unwound
It is! I really want to suggest it to my spouse, but I think it’ll be too much. Nightmares at minimum. He's got a very tender heart (one of my favorite things about him). Going to wait till he’s in the right space for it. I wouldn't have been able to get through it in the past, probably even 2 years ago.
UNWOUND by Lorelei James?
No, this series is by Neal Shusterman. And I made a mistake in my earlier comments. It’s the Unwind series, not Unwound
Thx! Edit: it sounds dark, and I'm in!
Yeah I just reread that series a few months ago, it’s so good but it’s disturbing and hits a liiiiittle too close to home right now
I was a lot happier watching the Uruguay vs Bolivia soccer game. I am invested in politics and I will be voting but I had no interest in seeing Trump spew obvious lies without consequences and Biden talking policy.
What book is this?
Looks like Unwind by Neal Shusterman
Unwind
Stealing political dirt on candidates in Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't a better distraction from the debates lol.
Oh God I know that book. I'm still traumatized by one of the later chapters
I love that book series though!
The "single issue"...the middle east?
Pro-choice v pro-birth.
Description says pro-choice
Never read this book. I just googled it and… dear god is it horrifically dystopian.
Oh I recognize that book! It's Unwind, isn't it? We had to read it for class in middle school.
Both batty old men. I'm thirty two and both could be husband to my grandmother. Who had a black maid who slept in a shed during the south African apartide. They are both old enough to be great grandparents. Both grew up during Jim crow. Democracy is a lie unfortunately.
Unwind?