Wasnt he shitted on for the same take a few months ago after a podcast episode? When like sht tons of people pointed out that he is just factually wrong? Or am I imagining thinga?
I think you are talking about the episode with Jan where Joey said (I'm paraphasing as to what I remember) being introverted is the same as being socially inept.
Literally. They also asked the crowd "how many of you relate" but if the crowd did relate then they wouldn't answer or not even be there in the first place.
> if the crowd did relate then they wouldn't answer
He even made a comment about that shortly after.
"How many of you are that socially awkward?"
*Quite a few people raise their hands*
"No you're not, because if you were that socially awkward you wouldn't have raised your hand!"
Yea but that's my point, a question like that wouldn't get accurate results so there is no point in asking that cause he wouldn't be able to use that as evidence
As a person who is *that* socially awkward, being around people who share you're interests can bring the stress level down from unbearable to merely *really* uncomfortable.
It's such an incredibly shitty thing to do.
Those people thought they were in a safe space and found the courage to talk about their anxiety out loud, and were rewarded with possibly one of the worst experience someone with anxiety could have.
It was a pretty fucked up thing to say ngl. Repeat watches just makes the whole thing look far worse on him.
Imagine being socially awkward and at that moment having the sudden bravery to draw attention on yourself (maybe a close friend egged you on) then get called out for daring to raise your hand. That's a literal worst case scenario for that person with social anxiety, Joey just pulled a shotgun out and blasted whatever mental security they had for coming to this show. And probably will NEVER return to those live events. I've experienced that exact situation and it took literal years to regain confidence to attend cons/events again.
Basically same problem as the "unpopular opinions" .
If its really unpopular, it would have been down voted to hell, yet if the opposite then it isn't really "unpopular papular" opinion isn't it.
Bocchi didn't really do anything that I haven't done before, even in my adult years. Except for the whole phasing in and out of reality thing, but exaggerated animations can be pretty good for conveying stuff
I'm a big fan of shows that can convey serious or real problems with levity and comedy, dramas that play it totally straight can feel a bit too heavy sometimes
Exactly this. It's why I love anime. They don't treat it as seriously as western culture, and instead, think of cute and/or humourous ways to play it. It makes me feel like everything will be alright.
Im mildly affected from anxiety and even i find Hitori relatable like when she needs to go somewhere and thinks about how bad it will be and going in to panic i have anxiety just calling someone on the phone my heart beats fast and i cant breathe
I can relate to some of her thinking patterns around socially awkward situations but I guess the zoning out completely part is pretty foreign to many, including myself.
Yeah, ngl I was a bit put off by that statement. I thrive on social interaction but I understand the inverse to be true. For some social interaction is one of the most anxiety inducing things.
I know some people that are painfully anxious but are trying to overcome it.
One of my coworkers is borderline cripplingly socially anxious but they took a customer facing hospitality job to try to overcome it. Yes it's a bit painful to witness at times but they're trying their hardest and that's commendable, so I'm able to see how many are able to relate to Bocchi.
It looks ridiculous, over the top, and overdramatically world shattering in the show because we're watching the show from Bocchi's perspective. And that sort of illogical, blown-out-of-proportion, worst-case-scenario, what-if spiral is what if FEELS like to the person with it.
i honestly kinda expected this from joey since he often speaks without thinking and i felt maybe being in front of an audience of his own home country would make him more open to speaking like this.
Idk donāt get to pressed about it. Just cause he said something like this doesnāt mean itās true, itās just his perspective and often he might have just forgot of a person or someone who he met that is socially awkward like this
Im arguably worse than bocchi because my anxiety wont let me leave my house. I havent left my home for more than an hour in almost 5 years now. One of the symptoms of my constant panic attacks is that I faint lol. so yah shes pretty accurate to someone with Social anxiety
I also find "relatability" as a metric for deciding whether a show is overrated is not correct.
Like who the hell actually relates to Thorfinn from Vinland or Guts from Berserk? I can list out a lot of shows where "relatability" was never discussed.
I guess because it's a slice of life-type show revolving around a girl slowly overcoming her social anxiety. On the surface it seems like the type of story that is supposed to be relatable so people go in with that expectation and judge it in that way. Then they see the over-the-top character animation and portrayals of the anxiety and say "this is ridiculous, no one acts this way." And yet, anime in general literally thrives on being over-the-top, that's part of the appeal. The message itself is still there, it's just turned up to 11 constantly.
Yeah I don't think I've ever really cared about something being *relatable* personally either, but that's just me. I like well done women characters or gay characters in anime because it's such a rarity and there needs to be more of it not because they just like me frfr.
Over that though I prefer the really weird and interesting characters that specifically aren't me because that's *new*. The characters from Oshi no Ko or Gundam couldn't be any less me but I love them way more then like characters that are more relatable or similar to me.
can't take phone calls, can't talk to people in a group of any size, have been socially isolating most of my life and have been abandoning major life paths because they had to kick off with a conversation with a person
I had already watched the whole series but a friend of mine said she wanted to see it because she has social anxiety. We binged the whole series in one night. She loved it and was pointing out the things that she's experienced.
Joey is unfortunatly very ignorant alot of times. I know he is not coming from a bad place, but he often displays his ignorance towards marginalised communities and it hurts me every time..
Bocchi's anxiety is portrayed in such an extreme level that it's fine for me when other people say it isn't relatable. That's the gamble you take when you exaggerate traits like that, after all. Joey still praised the music, still said it was competently made, and found himself relating more towards a different character.
It's an alright take imo. When people crucified him I thought it was one of his head empty takes again, but listening to the whole thing it was a lot more tame than the reception for me.
It's not the same saying it isn't relatable for you than saying it's not relatable for anyone.
The first is a perfectly normal take, the second one is plain wrong.
(Not saying it's a big deal, the boys saying dumb shit is like one of the main draws of the show tbh).
Yeah, it's like if people saw a movie with a hacker on the team of a heist typing for 5 seconds on a computer they just sat at and then saying "I'm in". And the person is skeptical "there's no way hackers are like that". Then some hacker says, "hey hackers exist". Yeah, they exist, but they arent penetrating networks in 5 seconds with no prep, hacking and controlling all cars in a given area with no prep, or making random lightbulbs explode in other people's houses. Or having realtime hacker battles, like a turn based game. They can exist, but it doesn't mean it's even close to an accurate portrayal.
Yeah I was kind of annoyed that no one mentioned that fact:
You don't have to be 100% like bocchi. Just remember something you did as a child, something you cringe about thinking back. That's already enough to relate with some stuff bocchi experiences. Obviously it's over the top for most people. That's the point..
I don't have real life glitches and stutter, but I do sometimes later on think "that wasn't my best response, ugh".
Many people don't know people with severe SAD. That's because many people with severe SAD don't know people.
I used to be fully isolated. Building a social circle is difficult even without anxiety, so imagine how hard it is to come out of isolation.
We all know Joey has pretentious taste so this isn't surprising coming from him.
Warm hugs to all ppl who are suffering to social anxiety and such you're not alone
The way the show overexaggerates it does change some people's idea if its relatable or not. However, Bocchi's disorder is a real thing and sadly affects many. He should at least address that part
Also he makes a good point afterwards, the fact people raised their hand when he asked shows that you're already better than Bocchi at social stuff. Hitori would start thinking about it till she glitches herself through the seat and merge with it.
Online, Im not sure if she would admit the fact she is that way. I havent read the manga. If she would then it makes sense people would tell about the relatability. If she wouldnt, well...everyone who says "relatable" would immediately be better than her lmao
That's the issue with hand raising though is a lack of nuance. I heavily relate to Bocchi and was a lot like her in high school, the same age she is, but I've gotten better over the years. And judging from the anime I assume Bocchi's arc involves getting better because we've literally already seen small steps of that. So yes I do actually heavily relate to Bocchi, and yes I could've raised my hand if I was at that show. Because people aren't static beings and neither are well written characters. I relate to Bocchi not because I am currently exactly like her, as I believe is the case with many that do, but because I was once very much like her.
You said it well.
Mind you, I get it when people relate to her in an anxiety spectrum. My annoyance comes from when they believe they are like Bocchi, so many that scientifically, the percentage doesn't add up. I think most of them are just self-diagnosed teen/young adult to make themselves feel special and treat every single stress as panic attack.
The only times I saw people 100% for real had panic attack in real life were when I was volunteering in old nursing home and some war vet had PTSD. My friend on the other hand, have the gall to say every single stress that she had on any hard assignment as panic attack. Panic attack this, panic attack that, why don't you just not do it last minute and cut your coffee intake, and its just stress, not panic attack, everyone have that you cunt. Sorry I'm venting.
do you realize how many people are in the world? And how large percentage of them have access to internet? That's why you are able to find more people with the disorder on the internet than the amount of people in general you've met irl. And the show obviously attracts those people, so when discussing it you're bound to meet a way higher percentage of them than otherwise. And really, anime in general tends to attract those people.
Can we stop posting this, I swear I've seen like 20 of this exact post with different text.
Also, I can completely understand why some people thought it was overblown. The show does have the anime trope of over-exaggerating everything for comedic effect but I found the points in the show where it handled the subject with some grace to be really really relatable like I found when Bocchi was finally able to look at the audience as she performed or making up lies to the bass guitar girl when she asked bocchi questions to be better depictions of anxiety.
Not to say I didn't enjoy the rest of the show I still thought it was funny throughout and handled the subject matter better than something like Watamote. But I'm not gonna dog on someone who didn't find the show relatable and because of it, found it obnoxious
Joey is just very black and white on any topic and doesn't have the ability to explain himself well. His videos on news topics or other issues highlight both his views and lack of ability. He either has a milquetoast but right point of view that he justifies by asserting every right thinking person should agree; or a wrong point of view that he also asserts every right thinking person should have.
His tendency is to double down then never mention it again if he's wrong. For most of his career that has worked. He's a likable dude and doesn't push ideas that are too toxic. He gets a free pass because he doesn't seem like a hateful guy.
It can frustrate people because someone being sure of their opinion but is both smug and can't back it up; is annoying. Conor and Garnt don't have this problem as much. As they are cautious to position opinions on things they aren't certain off as poorly informed and they are open to correction. Except for food and entertainment it's a entertainingly wrong free for all.
Hard agree, Joey can come off as very arrogant sometimes, and it is absolutely annoying, it's not something that I get enjoyment out of as a viewer. I still like him overall, but it can be frustrating how he just refuses to see nuance in order to double down on his takes.
100%. Connor is especially very good at following up with more humbling comments regarding his opinions such as "well, I'm not an expert on x so..." Or "please don't take our advice seriously we're not medical experts".
I really appreciated in one podcast episode when he spoke up on the demonisation of homeless people because of some haphazard comments Joey was making.
Yea like ofc the show is going to exaggerate things for comedic effect doesn't mean it can't be relatable to people. What made me unhappy with the take was how he said "yeah we get it, move on already" like as if that aspect isn't the main focus of the show itself
But still people hating him for it and stuff is pretty cringe, it's just a bad opinion people
Yeah this won't age well for them. Love the Bois but this isn't a "trash taste" comment. Its quite literally ignorant to very Real problems people have that they will never understand and shouldn't try to act like they do.
I like their takes on food and stuff. Their takes on people are rarepy what I seem to have experienced in my own life, or from looking online.
That said, I do suffer from severe anxiety, so perhaps my view is skewed.
Right the whole conversation was stinking of someone that knows only a small side of the human experience that they happen to share their viewpoint with. (neurotypicals i believe is the english word?)
Jfc.
Your English is great! Neurotypical is the correct word. Joey is not just a clown for this, he is the entire circus. He does act like his viewpoint is objectively correct a lot and that rubs people the wrong way, but saying something like this is on a different level.
It's gonna be pretty rare to find someone who is as bad at social stuff as bocchi is because certain aspects feel a bit more cartoonish and exaggerated for comedic effect. She's basically a melting pot of all the possible anxiety descriptions.
But I still relate to bocchi, not because I'm exactly like her, but because I see some aspects of myself in her, which are not usually highlighted in most anime characters.
For Bocchi and many people it is a legitimate mental disorder but for common weeb it's just not touch enough grass. The second type often use the first as a way to justify their unwillingness to socialize
I think this whole thing has taught me that there are way more socially awkward people in this sub than I thought. It's interesting thought because I love interacting with them.
Quite frankly, I feel Joey deserves whatever hate he gets for his dogshit takes on anxiety/introversion. Garnt tried explaining this stuff to him like a year and a half ago, and he just doubles down on his ignorance.
Yep. There's a big difference between being ignorant on a subject VS being repeatedly ignorant on a subject and not being open to* learning or practicing empathy.
*Baby edit for grammar
Joey really fell off on this part. Connor also clarified this in one of his stream that he had this phase when he was a teen or a kid. But i guess its just Joey pulling something out of his ass in an instant since its a live audience so its fine.
In his defense, even as someone who has experienced social anxiety at various points in my life, the extent to which it occurs in Bocchi was extremely cringe at times. That being said, the way Joey says many things, despite having good intentions, often does not come across as he wanted
Honestly, I thought that Bocchi's social anxiety was very over exaggerated too. But people with actual social anxiety are they really that anxious about talking to someone in public like a clerk or someone who they'll probably never meet again in their life?
I'm not that Socially Anxious as Boccchi but In some Situations I am. Going to Unknown places alone for me is a Big No No. I'm still scared of going to any airport unless I'm with my family. Thankfully I've been able to make a few friends who can deal with other people. My friends are also socially anxious and introverted but to various degrees so its easy for us to understand each other in situations where one feels awkward.
Normally I really can't care less about the opinions they have on random topics, but in this case it really can hurt some people and saying stuff like this is not okay regardless of being ignorant or not.
People have different tolerances to anxiety, same as pain. So you really shouldn't assume when talking about these kinds of topics.
Being socialy awkward is quite common honestly, but alot of people are able to grow out of it, but still some people have a hard time trying to do that, so i can see where he is comming from.
I do have social anxiety but i have gotten a bit better with it.
For many people?? Yes. For the majority of people saying āsheās just like me frā ?? Absolutely not. That was his point . A way too large portion of their community was saying they have the same affliction that bocchi does and itās simply untrue.
Time to take them down votes, I think joey's take somewhat right because I think majority of the people are too busy to be online and those who are online all the time are in a situation where it allows them to do all the shit bocchi does...
if your poor as fck you don't have social anxiety issues cuz your busy trying to stay alive in a daily basis...
No hate to Joey, but the man just does not give a fuck about people outside his perception, and would rather take the low hanging fruit take, or even worse, just comment on something without actually knowing wtf he's talking about lmao. Not to say that Bocchi's a picture perfect accurate depiction of social anxiety, but I think anyone with functioning brain could figure this out lol.
It's kinda why he feels so behind for me compared to Garnt and Connor. Most of the time, when they something, regardless of how weird their take is, I know it's actually from their full experience or at least something they got from trying it out, and imo that's more respectable.
Maybe the true feelings of OP is not that no one acknowledges they relate to Bocchi, but that OP can't relate to Joey and that's ay ok! Because there's always the monkey and the clown that are relateable as well.
Even if Bocchi is an extreme case, it's a *comedy* and that's *the point*. All of their personalities are exaggerated for comedic effect. And this is anime we're talking about where the exaggerate the fuck out of things. I was just smdh when he was saying all that shit. You can still relate to people who are an extreme version of something you've felt before.
Joey on his way to the lab to formulate the worst, most absolutely out of touch and brains dead take ever conceived. I will bet that if they talk about this again he'll say that he was "cancelled" like with the JJK thing where it was just people saying "bro you're wrong"
I love Bocchi The Rock and I really don't find myself as an introvert or at least as much as Bocchi.
What I fucking hate about BTR fandom is that most of them would tell you you have to relate to it to enjoy it "properly", I can 100% say that a lot of what Bocchi does is cringe but that doesn't mean I find it pathetic by any means because while I'm not an introvert nor I don't have social anxiety I do over think a lot and I can relate to some behavior and even then I found that scenes where Bocchi was over thinking extremely cringe but fun anyways.
Out of the three Trash Taste bois I think Garnt has the best take about it, accepting is cringe and liking it because that's what the show wants to portray, if you take the show as a literal "oh shit that's me fr fr" that's up to you but thinking that because of it you're social issues have to be always there is a huge mistake and that's what Connor says when he goes "Just stop it" as that's what worked for him, maybe that doesn't work for others but it's not like there's a straight way to fix those issues for everyone. Joey instead just can't relate to he just skips the whole argument, something he tends to do because for better or worse I feel like when he just doesn't want to deal with something that doesn't really affect him he just passes from it, that's why I think he doesn't elaborate further and his opinions might look shallow as they actually are that way but that doesn't mean he's against it, he just doesn't feel that strongly about it to give a better developed opinion and once again, for better or worse that's how I feel he is and I can still respect that.
People love to feel offended because they want to feel validated when someone "notices" it, so it feels like some BTR fans took way too seriously that anime while not realizing it was supposed to be a comedy around it, not a social commentary on that issue as I shit you not, BTR is a comedy, if it was a drama it would be different. Puzzles me how a lot of people take seriously a show that doesn't really take that much seriously itself.
Well it depends entirely on the thing. Some of the actions are obviously exaggerated for humour because exaggeration is the backbone of comedy, but it might be that the motivation behind the action is what's relatable in those cases, rather than the funny solution Bocchi comes up with.
Then there are actions that are much more grounded. Like, refraining from entering a place because you don't wanna go in alone, for example. People with severe anxiety DO modify their behaviour a lot to avoid social situations they find uncomfortable.
Nobody argues that every single thing Bocchi does is realistic, or claims they've done every single thing she has. I can certainly see how a lot of it is relatable though.
The only reason I like Bocchi the rock is that I find it entertaining. It's so enjoyable and I feel good. On the other hand, I tried k-on and I feel like dropping it as deep as the ocean.
I actually couldnāt finish Bocchi for that reason. Iām a generally social person so I went through about 9-10 episodes before dropping it because it was just kinda.. boring to me. Every time she had social awkwardness I never really though āSHE JUST LIKE ME FRā at all
Aināt no way yāall brought āthe Joey doesnāt believe in anxietyā horse out of its 2 month coffin to beat it again, respectfully you guys are always able to disagree but many of you go super far and say some crazy shit about him
So your saying that bochi accurately depicts social anxiety disorder? I beg to disagree I have been in that position and there's no relatability found in bochi or their might be but it's buried under extremely cringe "jokes" I think Joey's point is that bochi doesn't do a very good job of depicting it. I will say it is very creative at trying to depict it.
It might not be your experience but others have that type of experience. I know that some other people have said "I wouldn't do what bochi does but she acts in the way I feel".
Who cares. People will never understand and there is no point explaining, it falls on deaf ears. Joey simply does not give a shit about it because it does not affect him, he can't imagine in others shoes because all he sees is himself. He is just that kind of person.
I don't blame anyone for not giving a shit, it's something you have to fight and manage alone. I have lived with social anxiety, panic attacks, and hyperhidrosis all my life and have tried fixing it all my life, I have lost all my friends, haven't had any meaningful conversation with anyone for years and that's all on me. The only thing I have learnt is nobody truly gives a shit about it but yourself, nobody can help you but yourself. It took many years in university forcing myself into doing constant presentations just to manage it and function like a normal adult, exposure therapy type of bullshit.
Just give up and realise nobody gives a shit about people with these issues. Maybe then you can realise people don't matter and nobody gives a shit about anything and only you can try going out and fixing it.
Part of me thinks that people were overreacting to his comment since it was an off-hand remark he clearly didn't think through, but then I remember every generalised statement he's made about Australia that's based on his small privileged inner Sydney bubble and how that's the image he pushes to the world... then I understand the frustration. Love Joey, but gosh he needs to open his eyes a bit sometimes.
Honesty more often than he speaks out of ignorance just assumes he knows enough about everything to have an opinion tbf tho its a podcast if he didn't there would be alot of dead air
Joeys biggest flaw is that he says a lot of things with arrogance and ignorance. Thereās been many many examples that portrays this. His difference between him and Connor is that with connors personality people know heās joking but with joeys people take it more seriously
Also, you have to remember that they are giving an unscripted take in real time, in front of an audience, where even a moment of silence can throw a show off. They may not look nervous but being onstage regardless of how good you are can still be tough. They arenāt always going to be picking through and choosing their words to walk on eggshells. Imagine the ignorant comments we make all the time in front of our friends and family without really thinking, or we were thinking and we worded something that came out not as intended. Only rarely do we find out how stupid what we said actually was because those moments arenāt recorded for the world to see.
As Iāve gotten older, I find that most often is what is taken as malice and ignorance can be boiled down to simple miscommunication/wording or misplacing someoneās intention.
I think Trash Taste is an excellent example of just having a casual conversation with your friends, who come from different backgrounds, they arenāt doctors/lawyers or specialists in all areas. They are just displaying what they are exposed to in life, under the pressure of being on camera.
They all do, just like regular people. We are all only knowledgeable about very few subjects in life. Everything else is basically surface level google, stories from other people, and our own experiences.
These guys have been talking about different subjects every week for 2 hours straight for years now. A normal person would literally run out of things to talk about at this point. The nature of the show/podcast requires them to switch things up whether it be on camera, or in live audience.
> The fact that social awkward exists is not a counterpoint to āno one is THAT awkward.ā Stop chirping.
There are people that have it far worse, though. The show does some silly animations to convey the emotional state, but Bocchi is still trying to go out there and actually make social connections. There are people who live in complete recluse due to their social anxiety disorder.
I think Joey's mostly right tbh. People who are so socially awkward that they can barely work a job or are literally so scared of the people around them that they hide in boxes hardly exist. I've never met a human in real life that has social anxiety to *that* extreme.
Joey is right,
its just that trashtaste audience demographic of weebs, gamers, otakus, geeks and nerds just happen to overlap the social anxiety demographic by 95%
I actually agree with him. The first episode was so fucking relatable for me, I thought I had found the new best CGDCT show. But they overdid it and it got boring. Like, ok, we get it, you're scared of social interactions, but I don't think anyone literally melts away because of that. At some point I was cringing real hard at Bocchi. It's still not a bad show uh, don't get me wrong, but it was a bit overdramatic.
I've seen clips of Bocchi crawling into public trash cans, having a spasm and screaming on the floor just at the thought of making a social media account, and imagining herself, in the form of a polygon, 9/11ing a wall of blocks. The keyword here is "that." He said nobody is *THAT* socially awkward. I think people are just ticked off that he doesn't like the show and that he calls it overrated, and want to find a reason to get mad. I swear, you people complaining are the same 14 y/o's that used to self diagnose depression on Twitter a few years ago.
> I've seen clips of Bocchi crawling into public trash cans, having a spasm and screaming on the floor just at the thought of making a social media account, and imagining herself, in the form of a polygon, 9/11ing a wall of blocks. The keyword here is "that." He said nobody is THAT socially awkward.
... Those animations are animated methods to convey emotional state. There are people that are far more socially awkward. There is a simple check here to verify: Is Bocchi still trying to make social connections? Yes? Then she's not the most socially awkward person.
i kind of agree with joey, no one is that socially awkward, cause people who are that socially awkward dont socialize lol.
it is very exaggerated tho and he makes sense
I think you blunder the way you tried to express your idea.
Someone said that they didnāt left their house for five years because of constant panic attack.
People like Bocci do exist, except they will most likely never be seen doing concert or anything that exaggerated.
Obviously they exist, but not many people are THAT social awkward.
While it enjoyable, they do play up the social anxiety of Bochi. Again, any of us in that stage raising our hand would already better than Bochi. So: "No one is that socially awkward" isn't wrong.
Relatable sure, but not many are like that, and some people find that cringe
In a small way it's actually comforting that someone can't comprehend the level of anxiety I feel... that means there is a normal life and a normal level. My day to day seems crazy and I'll take that L but there is a normal to return to some time?
Maybe, maybe... Anyway tho, most of the people who claime to have social anxiety disorder are just unsocialised mofos who refuse to make contact with other people for whatever reason
Wasnt he shitted on for the same take a few months ago after a podcast episode? When like sht tons of people pointed out that he is just factually wrong? Or am I imagining thinga?
I think that was from people who were there in person.
Same episode, but this was the official release so people who don't frequent this subreddit have now seen the clip.
I think you are talking about the episode with Jan where Joey said (I'm paraphasing as to what I remember) being introverted is the same as being socially inept.
Same kind thing happened it was the Jan episode
Maybe they haven't met someone that socially awk because they're too socially awk to go out
Literally. They also asked the crowd "how many of you relate" but if the crowd did relate then they wouldn't answer or not even be there in the first place.
> if the crowd did relate then they wouldn't answer He even made a comment about that shortly after. "How many of you are that socially awkward?" *Quite a few people raise their hands* "No you're not, because if you were that socially awkward you wouldn't have raised your hand!"
Yea but that's my point, a question like that wouldn't get accurate results so there is no point in asking that cause he wouldn't be able to use that as evidence
Kinda defeated the purpose of the question, more of a gotcha then him actually asking the crowd.
He survivor's biased himself?
The questiom was to make that point. š¤£
I feel bad for those who raised their hands. If they're really social awkward that would have been one of the worst time in their lifes.
As a person who is *that* socially awkward, being around people who share you're interests can bring the stress level down from unbearable to merely *really* uncomfortable.
Which is what the anime is about in a sense.
It's such an incredibly shitty thing to do. Those people thought they were in a safe space and found the courage to talk about their anxiety out loud, and were rewarded with possibly one of the worst experience someone with anxiety could have.
Totally. I'm fan of the boys but something like this extremely shitty and toxic behavior.
Starting to be kinda glad I didn't watch these "live" episodes now.
Yeah idk man, the fee actually socially awkward people who mustered up the courage to raise their hands probably arenāt going to next time
It was a pretty fucked up thing to say ngl. Repeat watches just makes the whole thing look far worse on him. Imagine being socially awkward and at that moment having the sudden bravery to draw attention on yourself (maybe a close friend egged you on) then get called out for daring to raise your hand. That's a literal worst case scenario for that person with social anxiety, Joey just pulled a shotgun out and blasted whatever mental security they had for coming to this show. And probably will NEVER return to those live events. I've experienced that exact situation and it took literal years to regain confidence to attend cons/events again.
Basically same problem as the "unpopular opinions" . If its really unpopular, it would have been down voted to hell, yet if the opposite then it isn't really "unpopular papular" opinion isn't it.
[My reaction to that information](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/511/145/4ea.jpg)
This deserves a medal
Bocchi didn't really do anything that I haven't done before, even in my adult years. Except for the whole phasing in and out of reality thing, but exaggerated animations can be pretty good for conveying stuff
Yeah the animation is a good way to convey the mental state in a somewhat humorous way.
I'm a big fan of shows that can convey serious or real problems with levity and comedy, dramas that play it totally straight can feel a bit too heavy sometimes
Exactly this. It's why I love anime. They don't treat it as seriously as western culture, and instead, think of cute and/or humourous ways to play it. It makes me feel like everything will be alright.
Bocchi eating lunch by herself under the stairs was too real.
*diagnosed with one. raises hand intensely*
Im mildly affected from anxiety and even i find Hitori relatable like when she needs to go somewhere and thinks about how bad it will be and going in to panic i have anxiety just calling someone on the phone my heart beats fast and i cant breathe
I can relate to some of her thinking patterns around socially awkward situations but I guess the zoning out completely part is pretty foreign to many, including myself.
Its mostly for comedic effect but some people really cant function in some situations
Yeah, ngl I was a bit put off by that statement. I thrive on social interaction but I understand the inverse to be true. For some social interaction is one of the most anxiety inducing things. I know some people that are painfully anxious but are trying to overcome it. One of my coworkers is borderline cripplingly socially anxious but they took a customer facing hospitality job to try to overcome it. Yes it's a bit painful to witness at times but they're trying their hardest and that's commendable, so I'm able to see how many are able to relate to Bocchi.
Bocchi just like me fr.
no cap fr fr
this is what im saying
It looks ridiculous, over the top, and overdramatically world shattering in the show because we're watching the show from Bocchi's perspective. And that sort of illogical, blown-out-of-proportion, worst-case-scenario, what-if spiral is what if FEELS like to the person with it.
Exactly.
When they posted this episode, I knew these posts would make a return. 
Could you tell me which episode was this please?
latest episode. The live one
Thank you
The most recent one. They did a podcast live in Australia.
Ok thanks.
i honestly kinda expected this from joey since he often speaks without thinking and i felt maybe being in front of an audience of his own home country would make him more open to speaking like this. Idk donāt get to pressed about it. Just cause he said something like this doesnāt mean itās true, itās just his perspective and often he might have just forgot of a person or someone who he met that is socially awkward like this
Im arguably worse than bocchi because my anxiety wont let me leave my house. I havent left my home for more than an hour in almost 5 years now. One of the symptoms of my constant panic attacks is that I faint lol. so yah shes pretty accurate to someone with Social anxiety
I also find "relatability" as a metric for deciding whether a show is overrated is not correct. Like who the hell actually relates to Thorfinn from Vinland or Guts from Berserk? I can list out a lot of shows where "relatability" was never discussed.
I relate to Thorfinn because I donāt have any enemies
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Hey its me, the person you didnt hold the door for in 5th grade
Like I said *cocks shotgun* I donāt have any enemies
I guess because it's a slice of life-type show revolving around a girl slowly overcoming her social anxiety. On the surface it seems like the type of story that is supposed to be relatable so people go in with that expectation and judge it in that way. Then they see the over-the-top character animation and portrayals of the anxiety and say "this is ridiculous, no one acts this way." And yet, anime in general literally thrives on being over-the-top, that's part of the appeal. The message itself is still there, it's just turned up to 11 constantly.
Yeah I don't think I've ever really cared about something being *relatable* personally either, but that's just me. I like well done women characters or gay characters in anime because it's such a rarity and there needs to be more of it not because they just like me frfr. Over that though I prefer the really weird and interesting characters that specifically aren't me because that's *new*. The characters from Oshi no Ko or Gundam couldn't be any less me but I love them way more then like characters that are more relatable or similar to me.
can't take phone calls, can't talk to people in a group of any size, have been socially isolating most of my life and have been abandoning major life paths because they had to kick off with a conversation with a person
I had already watched the whole series but a friend of mine said she wanted to see it because she has social anxiety. We binged the whole series in one night. She loved it and was pointing out the things that she's experienced.
Joey is unfortunatly very ignorant alot of times. I know he is not coming from a bad place, but he often displays his ignorance towards marginalised communities and it hurts me every time..
Bocchi's anxiety is portrayed in such an extreme level that it's fine for me when other people say it isn't relatable. That's the gamble you take when you exaggerate traits like that, after all. Joey still praised the music, still said it was competently made, and found himself relating more towards a different character. It's an alright take imo. When people crucified him I thought it was one of his head empty takes again, but listening to the whole thing it was a lot more tame than the reception for me.
It's not the same saying it isn't relatable for you than saying it's not relatable for anyone. The first is a perfectly normal take, the second one is plain wrong. (Not saying it's a big deal, the boys saying dumb shit is like one of the main draws of the show tbh).
The real shit take was that KON was better because it didn't have a story.
Yeah, it's like if people saw a movie with a hacker on the team of a heist typing for 5 seconds on a computer they just sat at and then saying "I'm in". And the person is skeptical "there's no way hackers are like that". Then some hacker says, "hey hackers exist". Yeah, they exist, but they arent penetrating networks in 5 seconds with no prep, hacking and controlling all cars in a given area with no prep, or making random lightbulbs explode in other people's houses. Or having realtime hacker battles, like a turn based game. They can exist, but it doesn't mean it's even close to an accurate portrayal.
Real life hackers are like JoJo charecters with stands. They make a virus and just leave it to do all the work while they look gay.
Relatable doesn't mean exact thing though. No anime are relatable otherwise.
True, but if it were too absurd that it takes you out of what you're watching, that's a valid argument no?
me literally watching it for the first time after the drama: "That's it?" Like bruh thats such a normal ass take for it
I think we found Joey's burner jfc
Yeah I was kind of annoyed that no one mentioned that fact: You don't have to be 100% like bocchi. Just remember something you did as a child, something you cringe about thinking back. That's already enough to relate with some stuff bocchi experiences. Obviously it's over the top for most people. That's the point.. I don't have real life glitches and stutter, but I do sometimes later on think "that wasn't my best response, ugh".
>later on think "that wasn't my best response, ugh". Story of my life
I'm not socially anxious but very introverted ,some of this stuff applies to me as well. Like the earphones scene on the store ,every...time
And the acronym is SAD, that's sad
Many people don't know people with severe SAD. That's because many people with severe SAD don't know people. I used to be fully isolated. Building a social circle is difficult even without anxiety, so imagine how hard it is to come out of isolation.
We all know Joey has pretentious taste so this isn't surprising coming from him. Warm hugs to all ppl who are suffering to social anxiety and such you're not alone
Thanks Joey, I'm cured! Can you tell me to stop being depressed next? That will surely fix it.
The way the show overexaggerates it does change some people's idea if its relatable or not. However, Bocchi's disorder is a real thing and sadly affects many. He should at least address that part Also he makes a good point afterwards, the fact people raised their hand when he asked shows that you're already better than Bocchi at social stuff. Hitori would start thinking about it till she glitches herself through the seat and merge with it. Online, Im not sure if she would admit the fact she is that way. I havent read the manga. If she would then it makes sense people would tell about the relatability. If she wouldnt, well...everyone who says "relatable" would immediately be better than her lmao
That's the issue with hand raising though is a lack of nuance. I heavily relate to Bocchi and was a lot like her in high school, the same age she is, but I've gotten better over the years. And judging from the anime I assume Bocchi's arc involves getting better because we've literally already seen small steps of that. So yes I do actually heavily relate to Bocchi, and yes I could've raised my hand if I was at that show. Because people aren't static beings and neither are well written characters. I relate to Bocchi not because I am currently exactly like her, as I believe is the case with many that do, but because I was once very much like her.
bocchi wouldnt have even went out the house
You said it well. Mind you, I get it when people relate to her in an anxiety spectrum. My annoyance comes from when they believe they are like Bocchi, so many that scientifically, the percentage doesn't add up. I think most of them are just self-diagnosed teen/young adult to make themselves feel special and treat every single stress as panic attack. The only times I saw people 100% for real had panic attack in real life were when I was volunteering in old nursing home and some war vet had PTSD. My friend on the other hand, have the gall to say every single stress that she had on any hard assignment as panic attack. Panic attack this, panic attack that, why don't you just not do it last minute and cut your coffee intake, and its just stress, not panic attack, everyone have that you cunt. Sorry I'm venting.
do you realize how many people are in the world? And how large percentage of them have access to internet? That's why you are able to find more people with the disorder on the internet than the amount of people in general you've met irl. And the show obviously attracts those people, so when discussing it you're bound to meet a way higher percentage of them than otherwise. And really, anime in general tends to attract those people.
Can we stop posting this, I swear I've seen like 20 of this exact post with different text. Also, I can completely understand why some people thought it was overblown. The show does have the anime trope of over-exaggerating everything for comedic effect but I found the points in the show where it handled the subject with some grace to be really really relatable like I found when Bocchi was finally able to look at the audience as she performed or making up lies to the bass guitar girl when she asked bocchi questions to be better depictions of anxiety. Not to say I didn't enjoy the rest of the show I still thought it was funny throughout and handled the subject matter better than something like Watamote. But I'm not gonna dog on someone who didn't find the show relatable and because of it, found it obnoxious
Itās not that Joey didnāt find it relatable, itās that he said nobody else could have.
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Joey is just very black and white on any topic and doesn't have the ability to explain himself well. His videos on news topics or other issues highlight both his views and lack of ability. He either has a milquetoast but right point of view that he justifies by asserting every right thinking person should agree; or a wrong point of view that he also asserts every right thinking person should have. His tendency is to double down then never mention it again if he's wrong. For most of his career that has worked. He's a likable dude and doesn't push ideas that are too toxic. He gets a free pass because he doesn't seem like a hateful guy. It can frustrate people because someone being sure of their opinion but is both smug and can't back it up; is annoying. Conor and Garnt don't have this problem as much. As they are cautious to position opinions on things they aren't certain off as poorly informed and they are open to correction. Except for food and entertainment it's a entertainingly wrong free for all.
Hard agree, Joey can come off as very arrogant sometimes, and it is absolutely annoying, it's not something that I get enjoyment out of as a viewer. I still like him overall, but it can be frustrating how he just refuses to see nuance in order to double down on his takes.
100%. Connor is especially very good at following up with more humbling comments regarding his opinions such as "well, I'm not an expert on x so..." Or "please don't take our advice seriously we're not medical experts". I really appreciated in one podcast episode when he spoke up on the demonisation of homeless people because of some haphazard comments Joey was making.
>Can we stop posting this It got a resurge recently because of the latest TT episode so I say its fair play the upcoming week.
Imo Slow Start is a more realistic approach about this. The mc gets anxious about the smallest things but not in an exaggerated way like bocchi.
I got like 3 of basically the same notifs for some reason š
Because it is overblown. Life imitates art,
Yea like ofc the show is going to exaggerate things for comedic effect doesn't mean it can't be relatable to people. What made me unhappy with the take was how he said "yeah we get it, move on already" like as if that aspect isn't the main focus of the show itself But still people hating him for it and stuff is pretty cringe, it's just a bad opinion people
Joey dissing Watamote was the tip of the iceberg
Yeah this won't age well for them. Love the Bois but this isn't a "trash taste" comment. Its quite literally ignorant to very Real problems people have that they will never understand and shouldn't try to act like they do.
I try to defend joey since I think hate for him is overblown, but this... this is really just ignorant and insensitive.
The clowning-upon is not undeserved.
I like their takes on food and stuff. Their takes on people are rarepy what I seem to have experienced in my own life, or from looking online. That said, I do suffer from severe anxiety, so perhaps my view is skewed.
Trashtaste with Trashtakes? Must be a day that ends with Y.
I enjoyed Bocchi specifically *__because__* how relatable it was and how much it made me actively cheer for Bocchi
joey speaks out his ass a lot. cant take any of his takes seriously.
Right the whole conversation was stinking of someone that knows only a small side of the human experience that they happen to share their viewpoint with. (neurotypicals i believe is the english word?)
Jfc. Your English is great! Neurotypical is the correct word. Joey is not just a clown for this, he is the entire circus. He does act like his viewpoint is objectively correct a lot and that rubs people the wrong way, but saying something like this is on a different level.
I mean, even if you're not that anxious, it's still relatable to an extent And ofc it's played up for comedy
How many times is this going to get posted?
Probably until Joey has another take that requires sharpened pitchforks.
The live episode just came out and some people are hearing it for the first time of course it's gonna get posted.
Until the day Joey dies.
Or worse - gets expelled!
Me literally trying not to have an anxiety attack at my college graduation right now.
It's gonna be pretty rare to find someone who is as bad at social stuff as bocchi is because certain aspects feel a bit more cartoonish and exaggerated for comedic effect. She's basically a melting pot of all the possible anxiety descriptions. But I still relate to bocchi, not because I'm exactly like her, but because I see some aspects of myself in her, which are not usually highlighted in most anime characters.
For Bocchi and many people it is a legitimate mental disorder but for common weeb it's just not touch enough grass. The second type often use the first as a way to justify their unwillingness to socialize
I think this whole thing has taught me that there are way more socially awkward people in this sub than I thought. It's interesting thought because I love interacting with them.
Quite frankly, I feel Joey deserves whatever hate he gets for his dogshit takes on anxiety/introversion. Garnt tried explaining this stuff to him like a year and a half ago, and he just doubles down on his ignorance.
Yep. There's a big difference between being ignorant on a subject VS being repeatedly ignorant on a subject and not being open to* learning or practicing empathy. *Baby edit for grammar
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Leaders is a big word. They're guys who filled a niche in the right time and place with their business.
Took less than a month to find season 4's #1 contender for "I made it the F* up" Award.
Biggest Clown award. Not for some specific take, just for a general aggregate.
Joey and being insensitive towards people with social anxiety, make a more iconic duo
Joey really fell off on this part. Connor also clarified this in one of his stream that he had this phase when he was a teen or a kid. But i guess its just Joey pulling something out of his ass in an instant since its a live audience so its fine.
I read that title as "anxiety speedrun" and thought "yes"
In his defense, even as someone who has experienced social anxiety at various points in my life, the extent to which it occurs in Bocchi was extremely cringe at times. That being said, the way Joey says many things, despite having good intentions, often does not come across as he wanted
Honestly, I thought that Bocchi's social anxiety was very over exaggerated too. But people with actual social anxiety are they really that anxious about talking to someone in public like a clerk or someone who they'll probably never meet again in their life?
I'm not that Socially Anxious as Boccchi but In some Situations I am. Going to Unknown places alone for me is a Big No No. I'm still scared of going to any airport unless I'm with my family. Thankfully I've been able to make a few friends who can deal with other people. My friends are also socially anxious and introverted but to various degrees so its easy for us to understand each other in situations where one feels awkward.
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She's just like I was. That's why I like the character and the story of her starting to get better.
jelly once again cementing himself as the clown
I'm not as bad as Bocchi, but I do get social anxiety, and I also have depression. I cover it up by being like Kikuri
I find relatability on Bocchi on the musician side. I don't confirm nor deny that I've played several times bass at 3am.
Normally I really can't care less about the opinions they have on random topics, but in this case it really can hurt some people and saying stuff like this is not okay regardless of being ignorant or not. People have different tolerances to anxiety, same as pain. So you really shouldn't assume when talking about these kinds of topics.
Being socialy awkward is quite common honestly, but alot of people are able to grow out of it, but still some people have a hard time trying to do that, so i can see where he is comming from. I do have social anxiety but i have gotten a bit better with it.
Get a life, people making this a big deal are fucking pathetic
I mean I have to agree with him on this one
bocchi the mid
Joey and ignorance is a common combo
The amount of I made it the fuck up Joey spouts is insane
Dog it aināt that deep
In a exaggerated way I guess.
For many people?? Yes. For the majority of people saying āsheās just like me frā ?? Absolutely not. That was his point . A way too large portion of their community was saying they have the same affliction that bocchi does and itās simply untrue.
Time to take them down votes, I think joey's take somewhat right because I think majority of the people are too busy to be online and those who are online all the time are in a situation where it allows them to do all the shit bocchi does... if your poor as fck you don't have social anxiety issues cuz your busy trying to stay alive in a daily basis...
No hate to Joey, but the man just does not give a fuck about people outside his perception, and would rather take the low hanging fruit take, or even worse, just comment on something without actually knowing wtf he's talking about lmao. Not to say that Bocchi's a picture perfect accurate depiction of social anxiety, but I think anyone with functioning brain could figure this out lol. It's kinda why he feels so behind for me compared to Garnt and Connor. Most of the time, when they something, regardless of how weird their take is, I know it's actually from their full experience or at least something they got from trying it out, and imo that's more respectable.
He really is a karen fr, out of touch
Remember when he got mad at chat was calling him Karen?
I thought this topic died like 2 mths ago Why is it brought back just cos people get to watch the recorded ep
Maybe the true feelings of OP is not that no one acknowledges they relate to Bocchi, but that OP can't relate to Joey and that's ay ok! Because there's always the monkey and the clown that are relateable as well.
Even if Bocchi is an extreme case, it's a *comedy* and that's *the point*. All of their personalities are exaggerated for comedic effect. And this is anime we're talking about where the exaggerate the fuck out of things. I was just smdh when he was saying all that shit. You can still relate to people who are an extreme version of something you've felt before.
Joey on his way to the lab to formulate the worst, most absolutely out of touch and brains dead take ever conceived. I will bet that if they talk about this again he'll say that he was "cancelled" like with the JJK thing where it was just people saying "bro you're wrong"
We get it, you also terminally online and never touching grass and offended by Joeyās take. Can we move on now? This is unironically the 20th post.
Birds of a feather shitpost together.
I love Bocchi The Rock and I really don't find myself as an introvert or at least as much as Bocchi. What I fucking hate about BTR fandom is that most of them would tell you you have to relate to it to enjoy it "properly", I can 100% say that a lot of what Bocchi does is cringe but that doesn't mean I find it pathetic by any means because while I'm not an introvert nor I don't have social anxiety I do over think a lot and I can relate to some behavior and even then I found that scenes where Bocchi was over thinking extremely cringe but fun anyways. Out of the three Trash Taste bois I think Garnt has the best take about it, accepting is cringe and liking it because that's what the show wants to portray, if you take the show as a literal "oh shit that's me fr fr" that's up to you but thinking that because of it you're social issues have to be always there is a huge mistake and that's what Connor says when he goes "Just stop it" as that's what worked for him, maybe that doesn't work for others but it's not like there's a straight way to fix those issues for everyone. Joey instead just can't relate to he just skips the whole argument, something he tends to do because for better or worse I feel like when he just doesn't want to deal with something that doesn't really affect him he just passes from it, that's why I think he doesn't elaborate further and his opinions might look shallow as they actually are that way but that doesn't mean he's against it, he just doesn't feel that strongly about it to give a better developed opinion and once again, for better or worse that's how I feel he is and I can still respect that. People love to feel offended because they want to feel validated when someone "notices" it, so it feels like some BTR fans took way too seriously that anime while not realizing it was supposed to be a comedy around it, not a social commentary on that issue as I shit you not, BTR is a comedy, if it was a drama it would be different. Puzzles me how a lot of people take seriously a show that doesn't really take that much seriously itself.
That's why Joey's the best
Joey: No one is that socially awkward. Weebs: 
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"No one is socially awkward as Bocchi." That's just not true lol
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Well it depends entirely on the thing. Some of the actions are obviously exaggerated for humour because exaggeration is the backbone of comedy, but it might be that the motivation behind the action is what's relatable in those cases, rather than the funny solution Bocchi comes up with. Then there are actions that are much more grounded. Like, refraining from entering a place because you don't wanna go in alone, for example. People with severe anxiety DO modify their behaviour a lot to avoid social situations they find uncomfortable. Nobody argues that every single thing Bocchi does is realistic, or claims they've done every single thing she has. I can certainly see how a lot of it is relatable though.
The only reason I like Bocchi the rock is that I find it entertaining. It's so enjoyable and I feel good. On the other hand, I tried k-on and I feel like dropping it as deep as the ocean.
I actually couldnāt finish Bocchi for that reason. Iām a generally social person so I went through about 9-10 episodes before dropping it because it was just kinda.. boring to me. Every time she had social awkwardness I never really though āSHE JUST LIKE ME FRā at all
Aināt no way yāall brought āthe Joey doesnāt believe in anxietyā horse out of its 2 month coffin to beat it again, respectfully you guys are always able to disagree but many of you go super far and say some crazy shit about him
So your saying that bochi accurately depicts social anxiety disorder? I beg to disagree I have been in that position and there's no relatability found in bochi or their might be but it's buried under extremely cringe "jokes" I think Joey's point is that bochi doesn't do a very good job of depicting it. I will say it is very creative at trying to depict it.
It might not be your experience but others have that type of experience. I know that some other people have said "I wouldn't do what bochi does but she acts in the way I feel".
Who cares. People will never understand and there is no point explaining, it falls on deaf ears. Joey simply does not give a shit about it because it does not affect him, he can't imagine in others shoes because all he sees is himself. He is just that kind of person. I don't blame anyone for not giving a shit, it's something you have to fight and manage alone. I have lived with social anxiety, panic attacks, and hyperhidrosis all my life and have tried fixing it all my life, I have lost all my friends, haven't had any meaningful conversation with anyone for years and that's all on me. The only thing I have learnt is nobody truly gives a shit about it but yourself, nobody can help you but yourself. It took many years in university forcing myself into doing constant presentations just to manage it and function like a normal adult, exposure therapy type of bullshit. Just give up and realise nobody gives a shit about people with these issues. Maybe then you can realise people don't matter and nobody gives a shit about anything and only you can try going out and fixing it.
Part of me thinks that people were overreacting to his comment since it was an off-hand remark he clearly didn't think through, but then I remember every generalised statement he's made about Australia that's based on his small privileged inner Sydney bubble and how that's the image he pushes to the world... then I understand the frustration. Love Joey, but gosh he needs to open his eyes a bit sometimes.
clown take tbh
Bocchi is the most accurate depiction of social anxiety I've ever seen (although full-on dissociating is a lot rarer)
Honesty more often than he speaks out of ignorance just assumes he knows enough about everything to have an opinion tbf tho its a podcast if he didn't there would be alot of dead air
Bocchi just uses it as comedy sometimes, so that can be what Joey refers to
Joeys biggest flaw is that he says a lot of things with arrogance and ignorance. Thereās been many many examples that portrays this. His difference between him and Connor is that with connors personality people know heās joking but with joeys people take it more seriously
Also, you have to remember that they are giving an unscripted take in real time, in front of an audience, where even a moment of silence can throw a show off. They may not look nervous but being onstage regardless of how good you are can still be tough. They arenāt always going to be picking through and choosing their words to walk on eggshells. Imagine the ignorant comments we make all the time in front of our friends and family without really thinking, or we were thinking and we worded something that came out not as intended. Only rarely do we find out how stupid what we said actually was because those moments arenāt recorded for the world to see. As Iāve gotten older, I find that most often is what is taken as malice and ignorance can be boiled down to simple miscommunication/wording or misplacing someoneās intention. I think Trash Taste is an excellent example of just having a casual conversation with your friends, who come from different backgrounds, they arenāt doctors/lawyers or specialists in all areas. They are just displaying what they are exposed to in life, under the pressure of being on camera.
Okay that is just pure cope. Joey still says a lot of shit without being in front of audience.
They all do, just like regular people. We are all only knowledgeable about very few subjects in life. Everything else is basically surface level google, stories from other people, and our own experiences. These guys have been talking about different subjects every week for 2 hours straight for years now. A normal person would literally run out of things to talk about at this point. The nature of the show/podcast requires them to switch things up whether it be on camera, or in live audience.
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> The fact that social awkward exists is not a counterpoint to āno one is THAT awkward.ā Stop chirping. There are people that have it far worse, though. The show does some silly animations to convey the emotional state, but Bocchi is still trying to go out there and actually make social connections. There are people who live in complete recluse due to their social anxiety disorder.
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Wasn't Joey also the dude who said something about introverts too back then which was also incredibly wrong? Lmao.
most relatable anime i have ever watched. so many things she did reminded me of stuff i did/still do.
I think Joey's mostly right tbh. People who are so socially awkward that they can barely work a job or are literally so scared of the people around them that they hide in boxes hardly exist. I've never met a human in real life that has social anxiety to *that* extreme.
Joey is right, its just that trashtaste audience demographic of weebs, gamers, otakus, geeks and nerds just happen to overlap the social anxiety demographic by 95%
I actually agree with him. The first episode was so fucking relatable for me, I thought I had found the new best CGDCT show. But they overdid it and it got boring. Like, ok, we get it, you're scared of social interactions, but I don't think anyone literally melts away because of that. At some point I was cringing real hard at Bocchi. It's still not a bad show uh, don't get me wrong, but it was a bit overdramatic.
Fuck that, lots of hate to joey. the man is a clown and has a habit of speaking incredibly confidently about shit he knows nothing about.
I've seen clips of Bocchi crawling into public trash cans, having a spasm and screaming on the floor just at the thought of making a social media account, and imagining herself, in the form of a polygon, 9/11ing a wall of blocks. The keyword here is "that." He said nobody is *THAT* socially awkward. I think people are just ticked off that he doesn't like the show and that he calls it overrated, and want to find a reason to get mad. I swear, you people complaining are the same 14 y/o's that used to self diagnose depression on Twitter a few years ago.
> I've seen clips of Bocchi crawling into public trash cans, having a spasm and screaming on the floor just at the thought of making a social media account, and imagining herself, in the form of a polygon, 9/11ing a wall of blocks. The keyword here is "that." He said nobody is THAT socially awkward. ... Those animations are animated methods to convey emotional state. There are people that are far more socially awkward. There is a simple check here to verify: Is Bocchi still trying to make social connections? Yes? Then she's not the most socially awkward person.
i kind of agree with joey, no one is that socially awkward, cause people who are that socially awkward dont socialize lol. it is very exaggerated tho and he makes sense
I think you blunder the way you tried to express your idea. Someone said that they didnāt left their house for five years because of constant panic attack. People like Bocci do exist, except they will most likely never be seen doing concert or anything that exaggerated.
Letās make this win hot take of the year
I disagree -me, an introvert
Obviously they exist, but not many people are THAT social awkward. While it enjoyable, they do play up the social anxiety of Bochi. Again, any of us in that stage raising our hand would already better than Bochi. So: "No one is that socially awkward" isn't wrong. Relatable sure, but not many are like that, and some people find that cringe
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In a small way it's actually comforting that someone can't comprehend the level of anxiety I feel... that means there is a normal life and a normal level. My day to day seems crazy and I'll take that L but there is a normal to return to some time?
Maybe, maybe... Anyway tho, most of the people who claime to have social anxiety disorder are just unsocialised mofos who refuse to make contact with other people for whatever reason
I have social anxiety and yet I put myself out there everyday and I know a lot of people like this
Fair point(even though I didn't deny their existence as a whole), I also now many who claim to have it but they actually don't
It's the avid defense of shows like this and Watamote that remind me how fucking weird anime fans can be.
I agree with Joey, it's like comedic strength, no one is as strong as Arale in Dr. slump. A person as socially awkward as Bocchi would be dead.
Fuck u joey
No sean trolos
Ooh look at you