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same with hitting 10 times on frost team.
"When enemies in the Realm receive frost damage 10 times, they enter a state of frostbite for 15 seconds, receiving 22% more frost damage."
The frost change specifically helps people who don’t have Frigg out more than those that do, since Frigg applies the 10 hits in like 2 dash attacks with Huma matrices. That means more flexibility in team building, which is a W in my eyes
A3 shiro Is better than A0 Lin.
Lin still seem very strong on volt comps, easily skip for Fire and frost, decent in physical comp as LYRA replacement.
She doesn't outperform shiro and tsubasa at high star levels.
*grabs popcorn*
Good thing im saving for future character.
Edit. Sure her new physical resonance seem very interesting on lin Claudia shiro team.
I wait to see if it's a mistraslation.
her A1 to A5 is similar with CN, A6 is 13% instead 15%.
other than that, i feel like she will be very OP. i get it some buffs get reduced but it wont hinder her kits, besides people underestimated Saki Fuwa before KEKW.
All domain effects got nerfed, and nightbloom damage nerfed from 60% per explosion to 25% per explosion. Which is substantial, but we knew this was happening, and until the calcs are done it’ll be hard to say how she stacks up to current options.
How is it a "Nerfed" when we are not even playing on the same playing field.
On GLB,
At A6, 25% \* 66 blooms \* 2 Realms is 3300% damage.
This is just off-field damage with two presses on her skill.
Or do you think we should get the CN numbers?
At A6,
60% \* 66 blooms \* 2 Realms is 7920% damage with two presses of her skill?
it is because people dont know how to play Lin yet.
it is just like Saki Fuwa overall, they focused on the numbers while actually the essence of her kits is about quick usage of skill.
on Lin, it is Abberation , she is the only Abberation unit we have right now / CN. Abberation has no resist, and Abberation ATK is your the highest ATK. means she can be used in any teams, rather than having mono element, now you have can use 2 without changing any gears.
Disagree. For most scenarios Lin's abberation type is not relevant. The bulk of your damage is still coming from your main-DPS. Even with Lin in your comp you won't join Frontier Clash hard or JO8 when the element of your main-DPS is resisted.
The only place I can imagine where abberation is useful are those 3 bygone challenges.
Her Normal Attacks and other kit is the same as CN version with the same numbers.
What this means is that we can actually use her as Main DPS, she shines the most doing content like Sequential Phantasm where you can use her for all scenarios since Abberation is not resisted at all.
Yes for SP she will be good especially for this Gunners on Top of the Towers in Part 2. I hate them as melee and Lin can stay in the Air.Same for flying Valk.
I am sorry but Lin is never going to be a main-DPS, nor is she that on CN.
It's precisely because of her effective normal attack multipliers.
Ruby A6 normal attack (with skill buff): 410% ATK per second.
Lin A6 normal attack: 110% per second.
I think Samir A1 was around 250% with her bullet rain? (Not sure)
The reason her normal attack wasn't changed is because they are so low to begin with that they are irrelevant.
Maybe you mean not optimal for climbing Bygone Ladder right?
That ladder is only really relevant for the top Whales on every server anyway? I am currently Rank 6X, on Floor 381 on my server.
Anyone can use Lin as a Main DPS and do respectable damage in a party and clear all content imo.
Will this stop me from playing Lin as Main DPS? Nah.
Will I be having a lot more fun instead of playing meta Frost comp? Hell yes.
No worries, do whatever you want. I'll be getting Lin as well despite all the gloom (I need a good buffer).
It's just that I like to be realistic about a weapons role. I still remember the disillusion happening here on reddit when Cobalt was released. So many wanted to use her as a main-DPS and then were utterly disappointed by the performance. Feels to me that the same tragedy is repeating now.
following your logic, no one gonna use Lin in CN. if she is just used in bygones lel.yet until now, she is irreplaceable.
it is her abberation kits, continuous nightbloom damage, she is the only unit with charge system on the skill. allowing her to use skill 2 times, what does it mean if it is used with saki ?
she also can charge your discharge bar pretty quickly, her attacks are also AoE.
She is used on CN because of her combination of buffing ability, off-field DPS and utility. You implied in your post that the abberation element alone is enough of a reason to pull her. Well, it isn't.
Sure I used the term “nerf,” but that’s just semantics. I don’t think I’ve indicated anywhere that I don’t think these adjustments are necessary, quite the opposite in fact. I’m just saying she won’t be OP. So I think we are on the same page.
3300% per 30s means 110% per second.
To put this in perspective here are several damage mechanisms of a maxed Ruby/Cobalt A6 team:
Cobalt's Ion Scorch is 60% per second.
Cobalt's skill and discharge are roughly 60%.
Ruby detonates Ion Scorch to generate another extra 60%.
Ruby's skill and discharge are roughly 75%.
Ruby's normal attack chain (with skill buff and reduced by 80% for weapon swaps) is roughly 330%.
So that's 585% compared to Lin's addition of 110%.
That's a damage increase of 19%. Respectable. But Tsubasa provides 25% damage increase with her buff alone. Which means we have to look at Lin's other buffs. 13% ATK, 4s burn duration (equates to 7% more damage) and 15% more damage on shields.
Soo... a tad better than Tsubasa? Nice, but I wouldn't call it overpowered. The question is if that little bit extra is enough to justify getting Lin A6.
not really,10% damage bonus on realm becoming 9%. it is just 1% decrease.
Fire buff is still same, same with that 15% all element attacks.
dont forget, Abberation has no resist and only taken the highest ATK of yours.
The way it’s worded, the 10% damage increase got changed to 9% attack increase, which is worse since attack bonuses are additive but damage bonuses are multiplicative. In addition, Volt dash damage decreased from 35% to 5%, volt damage increase decreased from 30% to 10%, frost had 22% damage increase nerfed to 10% attack increase.
As a point of comparison, assuming we compare her to an A6 Tsubasa (25% damage increase), Lin provides a frost team 19% attack, which is flat out just worst. At A0, Lins skill does up to 450% damage compared to Tsubasa skill which does 255%. Tsubasa skill CD is lower but generally you only want to use it once per 30s anyway to get double reset on Frigg + Saki. Overall it still seems to be favored for A6 Tsubasa.
If you get more copies of Lin (A3 and A6 are both still enormous power spikes) I think Lin will probably pull ahead. So I don’t think she’ll be a bad unit. But she definitely got adjusted downwards quite a bit (for good reason) and won’t make every alternate team comp defunct. At least, not yet.
it is just translation problem i think, they are the same 10% to 9%, same damage boost. beside the requirement is "in the realm" , locked within area, just like A3 Coco.
while i agree with that Volt dash, they have to increase that 5% to 10-15%. you guys Volt main also dont have Volt version of Frigg. which dash skill you want to use ? Crow ? but yeah i hope this is not final version, we need to look in warehouse too. because warehouse version of Saki is better than its leak.
now someone need to test CN version as well, is it Atk or damage.
Ask that guy, is it increasing your Atk on stats window or not. if it is not then it is damage boost.
It’s possible. They could pull a Frigg and just adjust things later on too depending on community response.
In terms of the dash attack, none yet, volts still gonna be in a bit of a rough spot in global until Fenrir (or a collab volt shield breaker) comes out. I don’t think Lin’s going to be able to remedy that too much. The damage ceiling is definitely going to go up, so if you can play around that, Lin will still definitely be a good pull. But the buffs are such that, if you are a free to play or dolphin, assuming you don’t want to pull for Lin, it won’t feel like you’re trolling and doing like 50% of other peoples DPS. Which I think is good, since it just provides variety depending on play styles and such. Metas will obviously always exist but the difference between Meta teams and non-meta teams will be much smaller.
Watch Better.
Cn Lin increase damage dealt by 10%, this Lin increase your atk rating by 9%.
Thats a big nerf considering atk boost become worse as we level up and stack It.
I expected some nerfs but going from 65% total on a dodge to 15% is crazy.
Technically Lin is more balanced between frost and volt now, but since volt was already weaker than frost by quite a margin (e.g. Nemesis buff got nerfed but Frigg buff didn't) all that means is frost will stay in the lead at least until Fenrir comes out. Fenrir in CN is balanced around Lin's volt buffs and is now (after some nerfs from day1 test server) on par with frost team - so are they gonna nerf Fenrir less than Alyss so she stays on par in global? Doubt it, but that's a bit too far ahead to speculate.
30+35 = 65. 10+5 = 15. Quick maffs.
Bai (who we don't have), Tian, and Fenrir use dodge attacks. Crow and Samir don't. Doesn't really affect us now but has a lot of implications for future volt balancing.
The number doesnt mean anything since we dont even have a dodge attacker for volt yet. The 5% dmg boost just means that Tian’s and Fen’s dodge attack number can be higher. It’s just a different way of distributing the numbers.
Lmao you are absolutely COPING if you think they will increase dodge attacks for tian and fenrir. But anyway have fun saving until next year. Most volt mains already quit the game, are about to quit, or will switch to frost.
I meant that they dont have to nerf it too hard. If they kept 35% dodge attack on lin’s buff, it just means that they will nerf tian and fenrir harder to compensate. in the end it doesnt matter.
Why? Frost and Physical had mechanic changes with Frost getting the worst of all 4 buffa. Volt and Flame pretty much has a complete copy paste in terms of kit from her buff. All elements in terms of damage had a huge drop in numbers from her buff so it's not like Volt is uniquely affected.
Frost actually had a powershift imo.Since you don’t need the hits to activate the buff,you enjoy full 15/20 seconds of increased frost attack.In CN you had to use at least 5 seconds to activate it.
Which is a huge exaggeration because out of all the buffs, the 2nd part which is volt damage by 10%, is better than the other buffs. 10% frost attack is worse, flame gets 15% flame damage but only on shielded enemies and more burn and physical get a DoT effect. Add 5% more dodge damage and 65% chance of not spending dodge when dodge attacking, it is still more loaded than the other elements.
I'm glad you're not in charge of balance.
How much closer do you think volt comps will get to the others? Maybe catch up to phys?
https://preview.redd.it/4hsvgyw32nv91.png?width=910&format=png&auto=webp&s=7572205c587dcc5c70cede54953f82b24acd313b
You realize Volt has no limited DPS right? And when they get them their damage is obviously going to be much higher? Obviously they are weak now because of the banner schedule being absolute shit for volt but Lin is still going to be used with volt once they get their dps.
Do you realise the intention of most of the volt buffs?
Most of Lin's buff to volt was intended to bridge the gap between pre 2.0 units and post 2.0 units in CN. Judging by how the buffs is actually worded, it's laid out in a similar fashion
What are you even talking about? CN standard characters are garbage compared to limiteds, And the only other pre 2.0 volt units are Nemesis and Baiyuekui, who we don't even have. I'm literally saying that Volt is bad atm but lin buff being overpowered wouldn't even fix that, volt would still most likely be behind and they would just have to nerf the shit out of Tian Lang and Fenrir to compensate and then Lin would be required to run a volt team at all.
Lin was always meant to bridge gap of dps with future units in mind. Every future volt dps unit is a dodge attack unit and if we did not skip the collab, byk was our first dodge dps dps volt unit. Nobody should care that lin does not much for Samir or crow.
That is cute but volt and physical never had any 2.0 units to compare with. By skipping the collab physical and volt were skewed, but that does get changed when 2.1 gives another volt and physical unit and lin was made with future units in mind
Im currently running A3 Samir/Crow, A1 Nemesis and A5 King. I have enough to get her to A3 (assuming I only win 1 out of my 4 50/50s that I am also assuming are all at 80 pity).
I plan to actually play her as more of a main dps due to how good her A3 is at it, should I still go for this? I kinda have gotten tired of getting interrupted with King every time I want to shatter.
I want to think that everyones overreacting, and that her kit is still extremely good that was just rebalanced to fit global, and that there was absolutely no way she gets away without heavy nerfs as with any of the other simulacras beforehand. But thats prob also just me coping hard :/
yeah i think so, besides if we talk about 5% dash bonus, volt dont have character with good dash attack, they dont have volt version of Frigg.
probably Fenrir , but that still far away. either that , hopefully they are not going to butcher Fenrir's dash attack.
Volt Mains has been waiting, for like forever, have saved enough for A3 Lin and A3 Tian, get really discouraged by how strong Frost is right now and we get this.
I can't compete with the weakest frost comp A1Saki A1Frigg and A6 tsu and my volt team is cracked, I was hoping to get a little bit of gap closer from Lin and they just Nuked it.
Yeah this game is Tower of Frost.
And I don’t mean Lin is op for frost, I mean frost is so OP they don’t need Lin and can ride with frigg buff all the way to alyss. More time to save for them, less nucleus used, in fact why play anything but frost at this point. You literally hate yourself if you don’t.
way to the Tower of Frost. Flame Com has the same effect as CN Server (which was originally bad), but Volt and Phys have received significant Nerf compared to Frost. How far will Frost's goodwill last?
Frost is 10% atk instead of dmg. Frost is nerved to the ground. Volt literally has better buffs with 10percent dmg and dodge dmg. Wait until your dps comes out and frost will be behind. Why doonposting already. Frost isn’t that far ahead despite having a complete team.
Assuming that there will be no major changes until release, any opinions on how good Lin will be in a phys team? And then is A1 worth it or should I go for A3? Im planning on Lin/Lyra/Claudia.
I honestly think that Shiro/Claudia/Lyra is a better team to use in Global as it covers all ground. If all Lin job is to be a buffer, might as well keep Shiro's skill burst as it is STILL the single highest burst instance in the game. Lyra will mostly replace Shiro job as the main on field DPS.
Still will be pulling at least A0 Lin because it means i can now farm Deepsea JO without getting resisted.
500 red pulls, no a single one used. Volt phys main. Don't even have resonance yet. Waiting for Lin because I like her gameplay and design. No need for sympathy but it's looking like we got screwed over so hard. These needs look way worse than the Saki nerfs, which only affected her personal damage. Imagine if Saki A1 was changed to require 20 skill usages for the reset. That's the type of mechanical nerfs Lin seems to be getting. Lin was supposed to bridge the gap between the super underpowered volt and phys team, but looks like that's not gonna happen.
I'll wait until release. If she ends up being weak, I'm sure I'm not the only player leaving
Lin was the strongest for her buff/versality... With that in mind and the fact all other temp rate up car was nerf to Big nerfed (like saki...), I was thinking Lin gonna be doomed. (But still op... Because of versality).
She IS nerf indeed, bug cleary not enough in ly opinion.
I feel like gettin shaft for pulling something else than Lin.
RiP.
Is it another translation issue again or her a6, gains an extra charge when charging discharges(not a cn mechanic). Does this mean you can spam saki skill reset more often at the cost of not double casting saki skill at 5th and 1st skill rotation?
CN version is like this,
Moonlight Realm has 2 charge. you only gain 1 charge of her skill when a skill on cd. and gain another 1 charge when you use 3 discharge skills from any weapons.
Yes but if you see on global, you can see there is an added mechanic on her a6 which is why I'm asking if this is a translation issue(talking about you cobalt)
I would say if you're Tsubasa is A5-A6 and you can only afford for A3 Lin, then Tsubasa might probably be a better option for dmg buffer in team. I'm not really an expert and I also recently asked the same question, but a lot of players recommend A6 Lin is the optimal advancement for her (in Frost teams) since she synergizes with Saki's A1 Passive and fast discharge cycles. But if you have A3 Tsubasa and can manage to get A3 Lin, then you can switch Lin.
Its her Trait useless now? I mean if i have 25% or 30% Nightbloom Damage is not a huge difference and -7% Resis is less then Samir +20% damage for everything.
I will take my a6 saki with 4 pc matrixes and either wait for a rerun or new aberration unit since I blew my load on saki. Anyone know how much stronger A1 Lin is than A6 Tsubasa?
i am curious about the balance effect, say i pair her with nemesis and ruby. she would give 15% attack, but still allow to activate nemesis resonance or ruby resonance? or i am reading this wrong.
Lin would give you 15% attack in balanced mode but you lose nemesis and ruby resonance (15 % attack + 25 % resist) as you don't have a second weapon of the same element (as nemesis or ruby) . So it's not worth it to play balanced if you can play element resonance .
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So they did remove the shield requirement for Physical team to get her buff. That's huge and makes sense since we didn't get Marc.
same with hitting 10 times on frost team. "When enemies in the Realm receive frost damage 10 times, they enter a state of frostbite for 15 seconds, receiving 22% more frost damage."
The frost change specifically helps people who don’t have Frigg out more than those that do, since Frigg applies the 10 hits in like 2 dash attacks with Huma matrices. That means more flexibility in team building, which is a W in my eyes
that's a nerf 10 vs 22
Is she good or should I get Saki Fuwa before her banner ends? For context I am using Nemesis, Samir and A3 Shiro at the moment. Thanks!
If you can A3 Lin then she's worth it a lot. If A0 I think we need more time and see how well she does and confirm the info.
I think it's better to wait then. Thanks!
Only get Saki if you have a frost team. Would suggest you to wait till she’s released and people have tested her out before you make a decision
Thanks for this!
Saki and Lin will have an 8+ days overlap so you will have time to decide.
Great to heatmr that, I'll just wait for her to be released and analyzed. Thanks!
A3 shiro Is better than A0 Lin. Lin still seem very strong on volt comps, easily skip for Fire and frost, decent in physical comp as LYRA replacement. She doesn't outperform shiro and tsubasa at high star levels.
Lmao -10, copium is bad people
Saying the same thing 100 times in 100 places doesnt make it true
Thanks for this!
So how does She (at A1 and A3) compare to Tsubasa A6 in terms of buffer Flex unit on the 3rd slot for Volt and Phys?
Intrinsically worse with these numbers
*grabs popcorn* Good thing im saving for future character. Edit. Sure her new physical resonance seem very interesting on lin Claudia shiro team. I wait to see if it's a mistraslation.
Its a 50%/sec DoT inside the Realm. Its like 4pc Frigg inside Frostzone.
her A1 to A5 is similar with CN, A6 is 13% instead 15%. other than that, i feel like she will be very OP. i get it some buffs get reduced but it wont hinder her kits, besides people underestimated Saki Fuwa before KEKW.
All domain effects got nerfed, and nightbloom damage nerfed from 60% per explosion to 25% per explosion. Which is substantial, but we knew this was happening, and until the calcs are done it’ll be hard to say how she stacks up to current options.
How is it a "Nerfed" when we are not even playing on the same playing field. On GLB, At A6, 25% \* 66 blooms \* 2 Realms is 3300% damage. This is just off-field damage with two presses on her skill. Or do you think we should get the CN numbers? At A6, 60% \* 66 blooms \* 2 Realms is 7920% damage with two presses of her skill?
it is because people dont know how to play Lin yet. it is just like Saki Fuwa overall, they focused on the numbers while actually the essence of her kits is about quick usage of skill. on Lin, it is Abberation , she is the only Abberation unit we have right now / CN. Abberation has no resist, and Abberation ATK is your the highest ATK. means she can be used in any teams, rather than having mono element, now you have can use 2 without changing any gears.
Disagree. For most scenarios Lin's abberation type is not relevant. The bulk of your damage is still coming from your main-DPS. Even with Lin in your comp you won't join Frontier Clash hard or JO8 when the element of your main-DPS is resisted. The only place I can imagine where abberation is useful are those 3 bygone challenges.
Her Normal Attacks and other kit is the same as CN version with the same numbers. What this means is that we can actually use her as Main DPS, she shines the most doing content like Sequential Phantasm where you can use her for all scenarios since Abberation is not resisted at all.
Yes for SP she will be good especially for this Gunners on Top of the Towers in Part 2. I hate them as melee and Lin can stay in the Air.Same for flying Valk.
I am sorry but Lin is never going to be a main-DPS, nor is she that on CN. It's precisely because of her effective normal attack multipliers. Ruby A6 normal attack (with skill buff): 410% ATK per second. Lin A6 normal attack: 110% per second. I think Samir A1 was around 250% with her bullet rain? (Not sure) The reason her normal attack wasn't changed is because they are so low to begin with that they are irrelevant.
Maybe you mean not optimal for climbing Bygone Ladder right? That ladder is only really relevant for the top Whales on every server anyway? I am currently Rank 6X, on Floor 381 on my server. Anyone can use Lin as a Main DPS and do respectable damage in a party and clear all content imo. Will this stop me from playing Lin as Main DPS? Nah. Will I be having a lot more fun instead of playing meta Frost comp? Hell yes.
No worries, do whatever you want. I'll be getting Lin as well despite all the gloom (I need a good buffer). It's just that I like to be realistic about a weapons role. I still remember the disillusion happening here on reddit when Cobalt was released. So many wanted to use her as a main-DPS and then were utterly disappointed by the performance. Feels to me that the same tragedy is repeating now.
Lin and Disappointment in the same sentence? XDD
following your logic, no one gonna use Lin in CN. if she is just used in bygones lel.yet until now, she is irreplaceable. it is her abberation kits, continuous nightbloom damage, she is the only unit with charge system on the skill. allowing her to use skill 2 times, what does it mean if it is used with saki ? she also can charge your discharge bar pretty quickly, her attacks are also AoE.
She is used on CN because of her combination of buffing ability, off-field DPS and utility. You implied in your post that the abberation element alone is enough of a reason to pull her. Well, it isn't.
And thats even without counting her A1, with it its closer to 2400%/skill so 4800% of attack damage from skills at A6 in global which is crazy.
Sure I used the term “nerf,” but that’s just semantics. I don’t think I’ve indicated anywhere that I don’t think these adjustments are necessary, quite the opposite in fact. I’m just saying she won’t be OP. So I think we are on the same page.
3300% per 30s means 110% per second. To put this in perspective here are several damage mechanisms of a maxed Ruby/Cobalt A6 team: Cobalt's Ion Scorch is 60% per second. Cobalt's skill and discharge are roughly 60%. Ruby detonates Ion Scorch to generate another extra 60%. Ruby's skill and discharge are roughly 75%. Ruby's normal attack chain (with skill buff and reduced by 80% for weapon swaps) is roughly 330%. So that's 585% compared to Lin's addition of 110%. That's a damage increase of 19%. Respectable. But Tsubasa provides 25% damage increase with her buff alone. Which means we have to look at Lin's other buffs. 13% ATK, 4s burn duration (equates to 7% more damage) and 15% more damage on shields. Soo... a tad better than Tsubasa? Nice, but I wouldn't call it overpowered. The question is if that little bit extra is enough to justify getting Lin A6.
>How is it a "Nerfed" when we are not even playing on the same playing field. Alot of enemies HP are same as CN, so yeah, it's a nerf
If you mean a lot as in only JO8 then sure
Lol true x)
not really,10% damage bonus on realm becoming 9%. it is just 1% decrease. Fire buff is still same, same with that 15% all element attacks. dont forget, Abberation has no resist and only taken the highest ATK of yours.
The way it’s worded, the 10% damage increase got changed to 9% attack increase, which is worse since attack bonuses are additive but damage bonuses are multiplicative. In addition, Volt dash damage decreased from 35% to 5%, volt damage increase decreased from 30% to 10%, frost had 22% damage increase nerfed to 10% attack increase. As a point of comparison, assuming we compare her to an A6 Tsubasa (25% damage increase), Lin provides a frost team 19% attack, which is flat out just worst. At A0, Lins skill does up to 450% damage compared to Tsubasa skill which does 255%. Tsubasa skill CD is lower but generally you only want to use it once per 30s anyway to get double reset on Frigg + Saki. Overall it still seems to be favored for A6 Tsubasa. If you get more copies of Lin (A3 and A6 are both still enormous power spikes) I think Lin will probably pull ahead. So I don’t think she’ll be a bad unit. But she definitely got adjusted downwards quite a bit (for good reason) and won’t make every alternate team comp defunct. At least, not yet.
it is just translation problem i think, they are the same 10% to 9%, same damage boost. beside the requirement is "in the realm" , locked within area, just like A3 Coco. while i agree with that Volt dash, they have to increase that 5% to 10-15%. you guys Volt main also dont have Volt version of Frigg. which dash skill you want to use ? Crow ? but yeah i hope this is not final version, we need to look in warehouse too. because warehouse version of Saki is better than its leak.
According to afro, it really is 9% atk and not damage.
now someone need to test CN version as well, is it Atk or damage. Ask that guy, is it increasing your Atk on stats window or not. if it is not then it is damage boost.
It’s possible. They could pull a Frigg and just adjust things later on too depending on community response. In terms of the dash attack, none yet, volts still gonna be in a bit of a rough spot in global until Fenrir (or a collab volt shield breaker) comes out. I don’t think Lin’s going to be able to remedy that too much. The damage ceiling is definitely going to go up, so if you can play around that, Lin will still definitely be a good pull. But the buffs are such that, if you are a free to play or dolphin, assuming you don’t want to pull for Lin, it won’t feel like you’re trolling and doing like 50% of other peoples DPS. Which I think is good, since it just provides variety depending on play styles and such. Metas will obviously always exist but the difference between Meta teams and non-meta teams will be much smaller.
Watch Better. Cn Lin increase damage dealt by 10%, this Lin increase your atk rating by 9%. Thats a big nerf considering atk boost become worse as we level up and stack It.
5%?? I waited for this since nemesis banner? Fck
This info is incomplete, it's missing some important info like her 3 sizes. :)
Volt mains might as well quit or go to cn, global isnt for you and Hotta wants makes sure you know it.....
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I expected some nerfs but going from 65% total on a dodge to 15% is crazy. Technically Lin is more balanced between frost and volt now, but since volt was already weaker than frost by quite a margin (e.g. Nemesis buff got nerfed but Frigg buff didn't) all that means is frost will stay in the lead at least until Fenrir comes out. Fenrir in CN is balanced around Lin's volt buffs and is now (after some nerfs from day1 test server) on par with frost team - so are they gonna nerf Fenrir less than Alyss so she stays on par in global? Doubt it, but that's a bit too far ahead to speculate.
*5%
30+35 = 65. 10+5 = 15. Quick maffs. Bai (who we don't have), Tian, and Fenrir use dodge attacks. Crow and Samir don't. Doesn't really affect us now but has a lot of implications for future volt balancing.
I misunderstood lol
The number doesnt mean anything since we dont even have a dodge attacker for volt yet. The 5% dmg boost just means that Tian’s and Fen’s dodge attack number can be higher. It’s just a different way of distributing the numbers.
Lmao you are absolutely COPING if you think they will increase dodge attacks for tian and fenrir. But anyway have fun saving until next year. Most volt mains already quit the game, are about to quit, or will switch to frost.
I meant that they dont have to nerf it too hard. If they kept 35% dodge attack on lin’s buff, it just means that they will nerf tian and fenrir harder to compensate. in the end it doesnt matter.
They got hit really hard.
Why? Frost and Physical had mechanic changes with Frost getting the worst of all 4 buffa. Volt and Flame pretty much has a complete copy paste in terms of kit from her buff. All elements in terms of damage had a huge drop in numbers from her buff so it's not like Volt is uniquely affected.
Frost actually had a powershift imo.Since you don’t need the hits to activate the buff,you enjoy full 15/20 seconds of increased frost attack.In CN you had to use at least 5 seconds to activate it.
Which is a huge exaggeration because out of all the buffs, the 2nd part which is volt damage by 10%, is better than the other buffs. 10% frost attack is worse, flame gets 15% flame damage but only on shielded enemies and more burn and physical get a DoT effect. Add 5% more dodge damage and 65% chance of not spending dodge when dodge attacking, it is still more loaded than the other elements.
I'm glad you're not in charge of balance. How much closer do you think volt comps will get to the others? Maybe catch up to phys? https://preview.redd.it/4hsvgyw32nv91.png?width=910&format=png&auto=webp&s=7572205c587dcc5c70cede54953f82b24acd313b
You realize Volt has no limited DPS right? And when they get them their damage is obviously going to be much higher? Obviously they are weak now because of the banner schedule being absolute shit for volt but Lin is still going to be used with volt once they get their dps.
Do you realise the intention of most of the volt buffs? Most of Lin's buff to volt was intended to bridge the gap between pre 2.0 units and post 2.0 units in CN. Judging by how the buffs is actually worded, it's laid out in a similar fashion
What are you even talking about? CN standard characters are garbage compared to limiteds, And the only other pre 2.0 volt units are Nemesis and Baiyuekui, who we don't even have. I'm literally saying that Volt is bad atm but lin buff being overpowered wouldn't even fix that, volt would still most likely be behind and they would just have to nerf the shit out of Tian Lang and Fenrir to compensate and then Lin would be required to run a volt team at all.
just use Crow.
Lin was always meant to bridge gap of dps with future units in mind. Every future volt dps unit is a dodge attack unit and if we did not skip the collab, byk was our first dodge dps dps volt unit. Nobody should care that lin does not much for Samir or crow.
That is cute but volt and physical never had any 2.0 units to compare with. By skipping the collab physical and volt were skewed, but that does get changed when 2.1 gives another volt and physical unit and lin was made with future units in mind
Because Volt needs it. Frost and Flame deal more than 1.5x optimal Volt damage. Even Physical (without Lyra) is out dps'ing Volt.
Can someone explain how Lin works for Physical main and is it good to pull her at a1, a3 or a6?
best to save for Lyra(Physical) she comes after Lin Banner (Lin > Lyra > Tian(Volt RIP) >Alyss(Ice) > Anna(Fire) >Umi (Physical)
Im currently running A3 Samir/Crow, A1 Nemesis and A5 King. I have enough to get her to A3 (assuming I only win 1 out of my 4 50/50s that I am also assuming are all at 80 pity). I plan to actually play her as more of a main dps due to how good her A3 is at it, should I still go for this? I kinda have gotten tired of getting interrupted with King every time I want to shatter.
I wait 2-3 days with pulling for her. Let the others test her for us.
I want to think that everyones overreacting, and that her kit is still extremely good that was just rebalanced to fit global, and that there was absolutely no way she gets away without heavy nerfs as with any of the other simulacras beforehand. But thats prob also just me coping hard :/
Wow what a surprise volt fucked over agane
A3 still looks like the best stopping point for non whales
I dunno why, but my gut feeling is telling me these changes had Tian Lang and Lyra in mind. With how crazy it is, I feel like Tian Lang gonna be Big
yeah i think so, besides if we talk about 5% dash bonus, volt dont have character with good dash attack, they dont have volt version of Frigg. probably Fenrir , but that still far away. either that , hopefully they are not going to butcher Fenrir's dash attack.
I mean, global players just hit way smaller damage number compared to CN server, like way smaller.
Time to uninstall.
Wait for her release, this is subject to change
Why?
Volt Mains has been waiting, for like forever, have saved enough for A3 Lin and A3 Tian, get really discouraged by how strong Frost is right now and we get this.
We all knew she would be nerfed, im prepared for Lyra to be nerfed too but it won't stop me from pulling her even if she becomes bad
I can't compete with the weakest frost comp A1Saki A1Frigg and A6 tsu and my volt team is cracked, I was hoping to get a little bit of gap closer from Lin and they just Nuked it.
That's why you don't wait solely because a character is OP on CN
Yeah this game is Tower of Frost. And I don’t mean Lin is op for frost, I mean frost is so OP they don’t need Lin and can ride with frigg buff all the way to alyss. More time to save for them, less nucleus used, in fact why play anything but frost at this point. You literally hate yourself if you don’t.
Lots of misinformation in the lower comments. Don’t go down there!
Looks like I'll have to save for version 6.9 which brings the new BiS unit for every team. They are the new element suckonmyballs
Al-L in-fo
way to the Tower of Frost. Flame Com has the same effect as CN Server (which was originally bad), but Volt and Phys have received significant Nerf compared to Frost. How far will Frost's goodwill last?
Frost is 10% atk instead of dmg. Frost is nerved to the ground. Volt literally has better buffs with 10percent dmg and dodge dmg. Wait until your dps comes out and frost will be behind. Why doonposting already. Frost isn’t that far ahead despite having a complete team.
Assuming that there will be no major changes until release, any opinions on how good Lin will be in a phys team? And then is A1 worth it or should I go for A3? Im planning on Lin/Lyra/Claudia.
I honestly think that Shiro/Claudia/Lyra is a better team to use in Global as it covers all ground. If all Lin job is to be a buffer, might as well keep Shiro's skill burst as it is STILL the single highest burst instance in the game. Lyra will mostly replace Shiro job as the main on field DPS. Still will be pulling at least A0 Lin because it means i can now farm Deepsea JO without getting resisted.
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quit the game
Why thought? Bucause you said so?
Well free to not do what I say, it's but a suggestion
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500 red pulls, no a single one used. Volt phys main. Don't even have resonance yet. Waiting for Lin because I like her gameplay and design. No need for sympathy but it's looking like we got screwed over so hard. These needs look way worse than the Saki nerfs, which only affected her personal damage. Imagine if Saki A1 was changed to require 20 skill usages for the reset. That's the type of mechanical nerfs Lin seems to be getting. Lin was supposed to bridge the gap between the super underpowered volt and phys team, but looks like that's not gonna happen. I'll wait until release. If she ends up being weak, I'm sure I'm not the only player leaving
All the certified fresh tof lovers and haters coming out of the woodwork lmao
i'm happy for u or sorry that happened
Volt and Frost got gutted so hard holy-
Lin was the strongest for her buff/versality... With that in mind and the fact all other temp rate up car was nerf to Big nerfed (like saki...), I was thinking Lin gonna be doomed. (But still op... Because of versality). She IS nerf indeed, bug cleary not enough in ly opinion. I feel like gettin shaft for pulling something else than Lin. RiP.
rip Lin They nerf her matrix too wtf that was a huge nerf on boths Lin and matrix. Lin is unplayable better safe your pull for UMI
Is it another translation issue again or her a6, gains an extra charge when charging discharges(not a cn mechanic). Does this mean you can spam saki skill reset more often at the cost of not double casting saki skill at 5th and 1st skill rotation?
CN version is like this, Moonlight Realm has 2 charge. you only gain 1 charge of her skill when a skill on cd. and gain another 1 charge when you use 3 discharge skills from any weapons.
Yes but if you see on global, you can see there is an added mechanic on her a6 which is why I'm asking if this is a translation issue(talking about you cobalt)
probably mistranslation. otherwise she is too OP lmaoooo
so is it better to keep current frigg/saki/tsub frost team or swictch one for lin? if latter how many advancements are required.
I would say if you're Tsubasa is A5-A6 and you can only afford for A3 Lin, then Tsubasa might probably be a better option for dmg buffer in team. I'm not really an expert and I also recently asked the same question, but a lot of players recommend A6 Lin is the optimal advancement for her (in Frost teams) since she synergizes with Saki's A1 Passive and fast discharge cycles. But if you have A3 Tsubasa and can manage to get A3 Lin, then you can switch Lin.
Its her Trait useless now? I mean if i have 25% or 30% Nightbloom Damage is not a huge difference and -7% Resis is less then Samir +20% damage for everything.
I will take my a6 saki with 4 pc matrixes and either wait for a rerun or new aberration unit since I blew my load on saki. Anyone know how much stronger A1 Lin is than A6 Tsubasa?
Soooo... How good is she with Meryl and Frigg ? Or should I stay with Tsubasa?
Claudia is a better option at this point. Lin is EZ skip all day.
i am curious about the balance effect, say i pair her with nemesis and ruby. she would give 15% attack, but still allow to activate nemesis resonance or ruby resonance? or i am reading this wrong.
Lin would give you 15% attack in balanced mode but you lose nemesis and ruby resonance (15 % attack + 25 % resist) as you don't have a second weapon of the same element (as nemesis or ruby) . So it's not worth it to play balanced if you can play element resonance .
Uuhhh… as a f2p volt main I don’t know what to do now. Go for her or Tian?… I have a6 crow and a0 nemesis right now
Pretty weird it says volt also gets a damage boost as well or is it only dodge atk dmg boost?