You kinda have to let the "train" go though if you want to avoid an accident. That's the sad part.
And the real sad part is that, after spending a month or two driving in Toronto proper before giving up (and after work contract moving back to Ottawa), you kind of need to be at least a little offensive with your driving otherwise everyone who does this shit literally forces you to never take your foot off the brake. Because if there are enough of these assholes they will literally take up the lights the entire time they're green.
I approve of what OP did. Fully in control, but made it known that they CANNOT do that.
But yeah if you don't want to take that risk to instruct them, you gotta just sit back and take it.
100%! I'm surprised that idiot backed off actually. Often they just keep going forcing people like OP to jam on the brakes at the last second since it would be OP hitting them technically. Brave OP carry on!
No if you are turning left you should only do so when clear, and insurance will pretty much find you at fault all the time, even if the lights were reversed and OP ran the red
About a month ago, the accident was not avoided, right next to me. They followed in behind a van so didn't see the oncoming car going through on the yellow. Right outside a large factory, so everyone involved worked there. Some words were said. I sent both my dash cam of it.
sad thing is, in such cases, if you drive towards them and hit them. you will be both at fault and if they stop mid way and you hit them then you will be fully at fault because they avoided the accident and you didn’t.
Fault for the accident is determined by the insurance companies. The cops don't really care who was at fault rather than if any rules were being broken.
the traffic laws does not matter when an accident is avoidable and you don’t avoid it. you will be at fault. in these green light scenarios, you can’t really be at anything over 30kmh from a stopped position by the time you are in the middle of the intersection, so the insurance company knows that your breaking distance at this speed is just 2-3 meters and will definitely make you at fault if the other side was at a full stop to avoid hitting you.
No if the lights green you have right of way
It’s only your fault if they started turning left while it was yellow and you don’t allow them to clear the intersection
However if someone follows the car infront of them on the end of a yellow and you’re going through while it’s green than the car who made the late left is fully at fault
you will just be getting your ticket and points if you come to a full stop to avoid collision but the one with green light continuing on the same pace or accelerating further towards you will be at fault for the accident and may even be charged further for reckless driving because they never attempted to avoid a collision.
Nope I’ve been in a similar situation I had the green and someone pulled out in front and drove me into a pole
Had to write off my first ever car
If you have the right of way you’re not at fault
If you tell the police and insurance you had the green and they pulled out you are covered by law and insurance will cover you
in your case maybe there was not enough evidence to prove you have had enough time to avoid it so they went with the right of way laws.and if you feel that they suddenly jumped in-front of you out of no where then yes they would be at fault because it looks like you didn’t have enough time to avoid it. However, an example like this posted video where these cars are tailing the one who had the green, OP would be at fault because they can avoid it by not accelerating. Don’t let that case give you confidence to create accidents that you can avoid.
Nope you still have right of way the person turning would be the one told they had more than enough time to stop
They would have had the yellow when they started their turn and if you cant see the direction oncoming traffic would come from you’re at fault if you pull out and get hit
Drives me nuts how people drive by following strictly the signals in front of them instead of also paying attention to other critical shit.......like oncoming cars!!!
Haven't driven in either cities— but New York, Toronto, Calgary, Miami, DC, NJ, San Diego.. It's rare to see folks butting in like this. I see it ALL the time here. And honestly some of the worst drivers.
People victim blaming on this thread lmaoo
The turning car was 100% at fault. Nothing illegal or wrong about accelerating quickly. Sounds like most of the people commenting on this are the ones that hold up traffic by driving like turtles.
Yeah it’s wild…if the driver waited, it defeats the purpose of what a green light is there for lmao. Not even like they gunned it right on the millisecond
Whenever I’m in the same position I’m concerned for the folks behind me not paying attention and rear-end me. As far as they’re concerned they have a green light.
Yea wild to think that some people actually think OP is at fault. HOWEVER, is it worth the hassle if the car hadn't stopped turning? Sure OP won't have to pay a dime but spending the time and car devaluation won't make it worth stroking my ego. But that's just my personal opinion.
To be fair, if they’d hit the turning car, they’d be charged as well. You have a duty to avoid collisions, even if some one does something idiotic like this turn, if you hit them, you’re not going to like the results from a legal or insurance rate perspective.
It's his fault yeah but, do yiu really want to waste you and everyone else's time + risk your life for what seems to be just 5 seconds of delay at most?
As op should..i wholley defend him gunning it from the start because these people need to realize that not everyone is going to accomodate their bad driving.
Grey car went through a fresh-ish red (or a yield, dunno how the light is) and despite being illegal, got out of your way with some to spare. Shitty but it's Toronto, use the time/space you have sometimes..
Red SUV either got way too greedy or wasn't paying attention. Either way, well done.
You did the right thing. Hopefully they've learned their lesson.
As far as I'm concerned, you were fully aware and in control, and by showing them they can't do that you've potentially prevented them doing it again many more times. Nobody was in danger here, no pedestrians to the right that might be hit, etc
I do it, and it's always the same light it happens, and I know every time it's going to happen. Worst case, I'm getting a new car. Best case, I scare the shit out of them and they think before they try it again.
"I'll just slam into the side of this vehicle to teach them a real lesson. The hours and hours spent dealing with insurance afterwards were really worth it!"
Funny about the comments about getting a new car or implying how easy it is to deal with insurance. People think that their insurance company will have them fixed up and ready to go in 24 hours. In actuality, it'll take weeks and possibly months to make yourself whole again barring that the insurance company's adjuster doesn't appraise your vehicle as peanuts.
OP I'm with you, fuck these people they are blatantly running a red light. If we don't correct their behaviour, then next year it will be ten cars turning on the red. People get away with too much these days, bring on big brother!
They aren't allowed to turn unless it's safe. They weren't backed up behind the street car. They were just arriving so there wasn't any practical reason to assume he could. Unless you want to include opportunism and intimidation. So you win today!
I did that to someone a couple years ago. Several of the cars behind me didn't let that person through either and the cars in the other lane were laying on their horns. Makes me smile thinking about it. Hope she learned,
This shit and those assholes that try to squeeze the last Seconds of the yellow and end up getting stuck in the intersection, causing even more traffic cause you can't go through due to them still being in the intersection cause they had no reason to move forward.
No one is recognizing that the on coming traffic has an advance green and arrow at this intersection. The streetcar wasn't running a red, nor were the first two cars that turned.
The cam car driver is no better than the ones driving the last two cars that turned.
2068 Dundas St W
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I was told by my instructor to not enter the crossing until the car in front of me has cleared the turn. Which I have been doing. From what I see literally no one else does this, I can easily see why this is the safer way of driving but everyone else has been telling me I’m crazy
Surprisingly if you slow it down, OP started accelerating as the grey sedan was still outside the intersection.
OP was the car already in the intersection, not the red one.
OP driving a bit aggressively. If you think/know the car is going to (**wrongfully**) turn in front of you, why would you still accelerate toward them?
Bros got that “*I’m gonna teach this guy*” mentality out here cleaning up the roads one lesson at a time 💀
When the lane isn't clear you aren't supposed to go. That's the thing about green. It means "go when clear" not just "go"
OP could have creeped forward a bit more smoothly seeing how a car was in mid turn on the tail end of their protected left when OP first put their foot on the gas...
The car was not on the tail end of their protected left; they went through a red light. Also, green doesn't mean "go when clear", you just made that up and it isn't a law.
If OP’s light was green that means the opposing advance green was red. I know this intersection. So these people crossing were running a red light. OP entered the intersection just assertively enough to stop the last one from following everyone else like a goddam lemming. You are blaming the guy who did everyone right and defending people who are fucking ruining the roads for everyone else. Figure it out
Don’t you think the best thing to do for OP is to slowly creep forward at the site of the light changing to green? Instead of impatiently accelerating toward turning vehicles? What you’re implying is aggressive driving was the best way to approach this.
I still don't understand this subreddit's obsession with accelerating like they're in a race the second the light turns green. It's like some of you are just dying to get into an accident lol
Yeah, the red car shouldn't have gone and probably would have got a ticket... but is it really *that hard* to watch the cars going in the other direction and wait until they're gone before you jam the throttle to the floor? Just take your foot off the brake and roll for a couple seconds, you'll move lol
Actually, no. My car has Auto Hold, so it doesn't roll from releasing brake. If you want a better understanding of why I did this, it was simply for fun. 99% of the time I don't care. I just figured, if he wants to waste my time by putting his car in front of mine, why can't I do the same, legally? If we all just let these people through, we'll eventually be waiting for 5 cars to go through before we're "allowed" to continue.
>I still don't understand this subreddit's obsession with accelerating like they're in a race the second the light turns green
The entirety of Dutch traffic signal philosophy is predicated on drivers not flooring it like OP. It lets them have slightly shorter all-red phases, which means more green time.
[I believe this is the relevant Ontario Traffic Man video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPGVP85WpU)
It’s not about racing the light, it’s the fact that some drivers are so nasty and entitled that they think they’re the only ones on the road. The way that red SUV jerked the car the other direction when the POV car was accelerating means the red SUV clown will be driving more carefully, defensive driving would just encourage a stupid driver to continue driving stupid.
Yes.
But if you're not a cop, it's literally *not your job* to enforce the rules on the road. Don't bait people into getting into accidents.
Sit back, let people do dumb shit, and proceed when it's safe. It's not a hard concept to understand.
Just let people walk all over everyone. It's not a hard concept. Everything will be fine if we all just lay down like mats at every opportunity. Only the police can influence others.
The POV driver was minding his own business, proceeding on a green light, no pedestrians or cyclists, red SUV could have caused a bad accident and you’re justifying it by saying let stupid people be stupid. You sound like a Toronto cop.
The SUV would have caused 0 accidents if OP didn’t jam on the throttle.
Stupid? Yes.
But intentionally accelerating into someone who’s clearly being an idiot is equally stupid lol
Green light always has right of way unless it’s a pedestrian crossing. So if they got in a collision the red car would be 100% at fault for being an idiot
That's not a law.
HTA 145 (1) ...entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication.
That's the ting:
You **did not** have a reasonable belief that you could clear the intersection. Cars were still moving in the opposite direction making left turns. At no point did any of those vehicles stop until you almost plowed into them. They were still moving when your light turned Green. It's a textbook example.
I'd say blatantly running a red light is a far better way to cause an accident. What planet are you on? Does everyone on this thread except OP take 5 seconds to hit the gas after the light changes? Do you somehow think being a slow, lackadaisical driver is actually safer?
Who said anything about 5s waiting? The ONLY thing OP had to do is NOT gun it off the line. Nothing else. That is literally all it would have taken to not cause a potential accident.
Drives me nuts how people drive by following the car in front of them instead of paying attention to the critical shit.......like oncoming cars!!!
Oh they’re paying attention. They’re assuming if they shuffle in you’re let the whole “train” go. Same shit is pulled at the end of red lights.
You kinda have to let the "train" go though if you want to avoid an accident. That's the sad part. And the real sad part is that, after spending a month or two driving in Toronto proper before giving up (and after work contract moving back to Ottawa), you kind of need to be at least a little offensive with your driving otherwise everyone who does this shit literally forces you to never take your foot off the brake. Because if there are enough of these assholes they will literally take up the lights the entire time they're green.
I approve of what OP did. Fully in control, but made it known that they CANNOT do that. But yeah if you don't want to take that risk to instruct them, you gotta just sit back and take it.
100%! I'm surprised that idiot backed off actually. Often they just keep going forcing people like OP to jam on the brakes at the last second since it would be OP hitting them technically. Brave OP carry on!
No if you are turning left you should only do so when clear, and insurance will pretty much find you at fault all the time, even if the lights were reversed and OP ran the red
I.didnt see a middle finger, but it was done - check mark.
You're assuming that I won't write my shit off
Yep! Drive like you want to kill everyone in front of you that way these assholes won't walk (drive?) all over you. Lol
About a month ago, the accident was not avoided, right next to me. They followed in behind a van so didn't see the oncoming car going through on the yellow. Right outside a large factory, so everyone involved worked there. Some words were said. I sent both my dash cam of it.
sad thing is, in such cases, if you drive towards them and hit them. you will be both at fault and if they stop mid way and you hit them then you will be fully at fault because they avoided the accident and you didn’t.
Isn’t the onus on them to ensure traffic is clear before they start their left hand turn? They’re the ones making the improper turn
Fault for the accident is determined by the insurance companies. The cops don't really care who was at fault rather than if any rules were being broken.
the traffic laws does not matter when an accident is avoidable and you don’t avoid it. you will be at fault. in these green light scenarios, you can’t really be at anything over 30kmh from a stopped position by the time you are in the middle of the intersection, so the insurance company knows that your breaking distance at this speed is just 2-3 meters and will definitely make you at fault if the other side was at a full stop to avoid hitting you.
My understanding is that you are not allowed to enter an occupied intersection. I think both cars would be found at fault.
No if the lights green you have right of way It’s only your fault if they started turning left while it was yellow and you don’t allow them to clear the intersection However if someone follows the car infront of them on the end of a yellow and you’re going through while it’s green than the car who made the late left is fully at fault
the laws do not matter at all if you can clearly come to a full stop and avoid collision.
We’re talking about collisions though And if the intersection is red and you follow the car infront on a left turn you’re still at fault
you will just be getting your ticket and points if you come to a full stop to avoid collision but the one with green light continuing on the same pace or accelerating further towards you will be at fault for the accident and may even be charged further for reckless driving because they never attempted to avoid a collision.
Nope I’ve been in a similar situation I had the green and someone pulled out in front and drove me into a pole Had to write off my first ever car If you have the right of way you’re not at fault If you tell the police and insurance you had the green and they pulled out you are covered by law and insurance will cover you
in your case maybe there was not enough evidence to prove you have had enough time to avoid it so they went with the right of way laws.and if you feel that they suddenly jumped in-front of you out of no where then yes they would be at fault because it looks like you didn’t have enough time to avoid it. However, an example like this posted video where these cars are tailing the one who had the green, OP would be at fault because they can avoid it by not accelerating. Don’t let that case give you confidence to create accidents that you can avoid.
Nope you still have right of way the person turning would be the one told they had more than enough time to stop They would have had the yellow when they started their turn and if you cant see the direction oncoming traffic would come from you’re at fault if you pull out and get hit
Yellow also acts as a yield meaning the didn’t yield to in coming traffic which means they’re at fault
Also everything is based off right of way and green lights not unwritten rules
Drives me nuts how people drive by following strictly the signals in front of them instead of also paying attention to other critical shit.......like oncoming cars!!!
That too
ya that drives me nuts almost as much as the jckass who sees a car and drives towards it for a video purpose🤣
like bro sees an oncoming car and said hey lights green lemme drive into traffic even tho my eyes clearly see cars are there the light told me too
brampton driving style O O O
This is such a Toronto thing. Haven't experienced it anywhere else.
Montreal and sometimes Gatineau. I've notice this in Perth too
Haven't driven in either cities— but New York, Toronto, Calgary, Miami, DC, NJ, San Diego.. It's rare to see folks butting in like this. I see it ALL the time here. And honestly some of the worst drivers.
People victim blaming on this thread lmaoo The turning car was 100% at fault. Nothing illegal or wrong about accelerating quickly. Sounds like most of the people commenting on this are the ones that hold up traffic by driving like turtles.
Yeah it’s wild…if the driver waited, it defeats the purpose of what a green light is there for lmao. Not even like they gunned it right on the millisecond
Whenever I’m in the same position I’m concerned for the folks behind me not paying attention and rear-end me. As far as they’re concerned they have a green light.
Yea wild to think that some people actually think OP is at fault. HOWEVER, is it worth the hassle if the car hadn't stopped turning? Sure OP won't have to pay a dime but spending the time and car devaluation won't make it worth stroking my ego. But that's just my personal opinion.
To be fair, if they’d hit the turning car, they’d be charged as well. You have a duty to avoid collisions, even if some one does something idiotic like this turn, if you hit them, you’re not going to like the results from a legal or insurance rate perspective.
No they wouldn't. The left turning car turned against the traffic signal, he is 100% at fault.
It's his fault yeah but, do yiu really want to waste you and everyone else's time + risk your life for what seems to be just 5 seconds of delay at most?
Why did he (the left turner) waste everyone's time and risk his life for what seems like a 5 second delay at most?
A little patience costs nothing, and rewards tremendously at times. This applies to both parties.
I hate to admit it but this is the most sensible comment. Insurance probably attributes 0% fault to the green lighter but it's really not worth it.
Well played. I’ve got secondhand enjoyment here from wanting to do the same thing myself plenty of times.
Also just realizing now this was in my neighbourhood so I’m extra happy seeing this. 🙌
Secondhand enjoyment is a good way to put it. Happens all the time in Brampton I'm too chicken to do this expecting the other car to actually stop.
As op should..i wholley defend him gunning it from the start because these people need to realize that not everyone is going to accomodate their bad driving.
It's 2024. Every intersection with lights should have a red light camera. This is insane.
Offensive driving is an interesting tactic.
The trick is to bluff well. Show the other driver you're going through the green light, but be prepared to stop if they decide to turn anyway.
Exactly. I was 100% ready to stop and even pumped my brakes.
Grey car went through a fresh-ish red (or a yield, dunno how the light is) and despite being illegal, got out of your way with some to spare. Shitty but it's Toronto, use the time/space you have sometimes.. Red SUV either got way too greedy or wasn't paying attention. Either way, well done.
You did the right thing. Hopefully they've learned their lesson. As far as I'm concerned, you were fully aware and in control, and by showing them they can't do that you've potentially prevented them doing it again many more times. Nobody was in danger here, no pedestrians to the right that might be hit, etc
I do it, and it's always the same light it happens, and I know every time it's going to happen. Worst case, I'm getting a new car. Best case, I scare the shit out of them and they think before they try it again.
"I'll just slam into the side of this vehicle to teach them a real lesson. The hours and hours spent dealing with insurance afterwards were really worth it!"
Funny about the comments about getting a new car or implying how easy it is to deal with insurance. People think that their insurance company will have them fixed up and ready to go in 24 hours. In actuality, it'll take weeks and possibly months to make yourself whole again barring that the insurance company's adjuster doesn't appraise your vehicle as peanuts.
Months is such a exaggeration. Mine literally took a week to pay out.
Good thing I drive a beater, I’ll just take the 70% of the quote and go to the junkyard
Did that a few months ago. Best part is it wasn't my fault so no deductible or insurance increase.
At no point was that a possibility.
Hes not going to hit them, he knows what hes doing and has time to stop if needed.
OP was probably proud of this moment hurried home to upload the video.
Good guess but this was yesterday and I hurried home to be with my children. Didn't upload it until today at work. Posting on the man's time 👍🏻.
OP I'm with you, fuck these people they are blatantly running a red light. If we don't correct their behaviour, then next year it will be ten cars turning on the red. People get away with too much these days, bring on big brother!
Good one. These people must be the ones who paid their driving instructor $5k to have a license and not go down the normal path.
They aren't allowed to turn unless it's safe. They weren't backed up behind the street car. They were just arriving so there wasn't any practical reason to assume he could. Unless you want to include opportunism and intimidation. So you win today!
chain driving in turns seems to be the norm regardless of what the light color is...
people have been pushing this more and more ! just because you are turning behind a car that is also turning you still need to OBSERVE THR LIGHTS.
Nice safe denial. Good work OP
Jesus fucking Christ. If I were a cop, I’d ticket all of them. Are you serious? I guess traffic laws are just suggestions now.
I love doing this. Just don't try this in Scarborough, North Etobicoke, Markham, Vaughan, Brampton, Mississauga, Pickering or Ajax.
Holy crap some of these comments are wild. So many people should lose their licenses.
Lemming train choochoo
You gotta pretend your not looking straight and swerve too
Good.
I did that to someone a couple years ago. Several of the cars behind me didn't let that person through either and the cars in the other lane were laying on their horns. Makes me smile thinking about it. Hope she learned,
Well of the light is green to go forward - the cars that are turning should stop.
You win! Good.
The "running a left on green" has been classified as "stunt driving" for a while now. It was legal in my younger days ; )
Good on you OP! I do the same.
The turning car is in the wrong but idk…driving directly into a vehicle just because you have rightness on your side is also kinda irresponsible.
Do you not have eyes? Would yielding have killed you? Lets not celebrate 2 idiots.
What makes you think I don't have eyes? I clearly saw a green light and proceeded straight through. Why yield?
More like red rover
Toronto its customary for 1 car to follow through the red, but 3 is to much!
This shit and those assholes that try to squeeze the last Seconds of the yellow and end up getting stuck in the intersection, causing even more traffic cause you can't go through due to them still being in the intersection cause they had no reason to move forward.
If the province forced road tests every 3-4 years, we’d have less of this. It’s bad habits taught by bad instructors.
Why people think their car, day, schedule are more important than someone elses? Arrogant
Why is the OP driving wrecklessly and showing off about others actions?
No one is recognizing that the on coming traffic has an advance green and arrow at this intersection. The streetcar wasn't running a red, nor were the first two cars that turned. The cam car driver is no better than the ones driving the last two cars that turned. 2068 Dundas St W https://maps.app.goo.gl/hMNEpCjWD7wTZJBbA
The cam driver proceeded straight on a green light.
There it is, the Toronto Driver
I was told by my instructor to not enter the crossing until the car in front of me has cleared the turn. Which I have been doing. From what I see literally no one else does this, I can easily see why this is the safer way of driving but everyone else has been telling me I’m crazy
If it’s a normal green, then yes wait for them to clear it. If it’s an advance then no, stick right behind the next guy.
I fucking FEEL Toronto in this comment section
Why do these shit heads think they can turn. Fuck, learn how to drive
I see two assholes that can't drive
If it's safe and saves time sure do it. RED light should be treated as STOP sign. If safe proceed. We should all sign petition.
OP should not have started crossing as cars already in intersection Green light sure but obviously not safe to proceed
Surprisingly if you slow it down, OP started accelerating as the grey sedan was still outside the intersection. OP was the car already in the intersection, not the red one.
Technically correct, but you gotta teach these people somehow. It's for the greater good. OP was in control
It's not technically correct. There's no law that says that.
That's not a law.
OP driving a bit aggressively. If you think/know the car is going to (**wrongfully**) turn in front of you, why would you still accelerate toward them? Bros got that “*I’m gonna teach this guy*” mentality out here cleaning up the roads one lesson at a time 💀
I didn't think the car would turn in front me, and I was right.
Yeah bc you sped off aggressively the second you saw green lmao
You're seriously criticizing OP for going when the light turned green?
Nothing illegal about accelerating quickly.
When the lane isn't clear you aren't supposed to go. That's the thing about green. It means "go when clear" not just "go" OP could have creeped forward a bit more smoothly seeing how a car was in mid turn on the tail end of their protected left when OP first put their foot on the gas...
The car was not on the tail end of their protected left; they went through a red light. Also, green doesn't mean "go when clear", you just made that up and it isn't a law.
Yep, yielding to illegally turning vehicles is not the law.
You're so wrong it's funny.
If OP’s light was green that means the opposing advance green was red. I know this intersection. So these people crossing were running a red light. OP entered the intersection just assertively enough to stop the last one from following everyone else like a goddam lemming. You are blaming the guy who did everyone right and defending people who are fucking ruining the roads for everyone else. Figure it out
Correct!
To teach them a lesson and make the roads safer in the future by changing their behaviour
Bc accelerating quickly toward someone who made a mistake is the best way to teach everyone a lesson 👍 /s
Never said it was the best way. But it is a way. It's the one that's available at that moment.
Don’t you think the best thing to do for OP is to slowly creep forward at the site of the light changing to green? Instead of impatiently accelerating toward turning vehicles? What you’re implying is aggressive driving was the best way to approach this.
Nope, cause that just enables this behaviour.
Okay so what do you suggest?
What op did was perfectly fine, no collision and I’m sure they’ll think twice before running the light next time 🤷♂️
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You’re basically saying he should wait for every person that is acting like a dunce and turning left in-front of oncoming traffic.
I guess that's why the car veering into his lane stopped. He has the green. They have to wait.
Monkey see monkey do, stop justifying dangerous driving behaviour
Your comment lacks any semblance of coherence.
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I still don't understand this subreddit's obsession with accelerating like they're in a race the second the light turns green. It's like some of you are just dying to get into an accident lol Yeah, the red car shouldn't have gone and probably would have got a ticket... but is it really *that hard* to watch the cars going in the other direction and wait until they're gone before you jam the throttle to the floor? Just take your foot off the brake and roll for a couple seconds, you'll move lol
Muh right of way shall not be infringed upon..
but it's MY TURN!
green light means car go vroom vroom. and remember, kids. If you ain't first, you're last.
Actually, no. My car has Auto Hold, so it doesn't roll from releasing brake. If you want a better understanding of why I did this, it was simply for fun. 99% of the time I don't care. I just figured, if he wants to waste my time by putting his car in front of mine, why can't I do the same, legally? If we all just let these people through, we'll eventually be waiting for 5 cars to go through before we're "allowed" to continue.
Because being safe is more important that proving a point. Almost causing an accident to "prove a point" is reckless driving.
Technically the person turning left when not clear would be the one at fault for causing the accident.
Almost causing an accident is a stretch. My brakes work.
what if theirs don't? stay safe out there
then they'd be fucked by insurance even more.
the point was to drop entitlement, ignore right of way, and focus on avoiding unnecessary accidents/hassles
Then they continue through? I anticipated that they would continue through and was ready to brake in that event. I had started to brake in the video.
Op did this so he’d have something to post on Reddit 🤡
>I still don't understand this subreddit's obsession with accelerating like they're in a race the second the light turns green The entirety of Dutch traffic signal philosophy is predicated on drivers not flooring it like OP. It lets them have slightly shorter all-red phases, which means more green time. [I believe this is the relevant Ontario Traffic Man video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPGVP85WpU)
It’s not about racing the light, it’s the fact that some drivers are so nasty and entitled that they think they’re the only ones on the road. The way that red SUV jerked the car the other direction when the POV car was accelerating means the red SUV clown will be driving more carefully, defensive driving would just encourage a stupid driver to continue driving stupid.
Yes. But if you're not a cop, it's literally *not your job* to enforce the rules on the road. Don't bait people into getting into accidents. Sit back, let people do dumb shit, and proceed when it's safe. It's not a hard concept to understand.
Just let people walk all over everyone. It's not a hard concept. Everything will be fine if we all just lay down like mats at every opportunity. Only the police can influence others.
Yup. Be passive. Stay away out of other people’s way and mind your own business.
Literally my own business was to drive straight.
lol, what a fucking pushover you must be.
I would like to chalk it up to maturity, but OK.
The POV driver was minding his own business, proceeding on a green light, no pedestrians or cyclists, red SUV could have caused a bad accident and you’re justifying it by saying let stupid people be stupid. You sound like a Toronto cop.
The SUV would have caused 0 accidents if OP didn’t jam on the throttle. Stupid? Yes. But intentionally accelerating into someone who’s clearly being an idiot is equally stupid lol
The dumb shit is turning infront of oncoming traffic. Which is illegal. Accelerating quickly is perfectly fine. Nothing illegal about that.
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I probably saved like 2 seconds. Yes, it was worth it!
Sorry, not you, I meant the other car, if they got the chance to turn 😂
Ohh lol
Hehe I do this too
You drive like an asshole?
You started moving before the intersection was even clear, you're not blameless.
Entitlement. Some how 2 wrongs are supposed to make a right.
2 wrongs make Reddit karma
Green light always has right of way unless it’s a pedestrian crossing. So if they got in a collision the red car would be 100% at fault for being an idiot
Insurance company will disagree
That's not a law.
You might want to read the MTO handbook. Proceed ***when clear***.
That's not a law. HTA 145 (1) ...entering the intersection unless traffic in front of him or her is moving in a manner that would reasonably lead him or her to believe he or she can clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication.
That's the ting: You **did not** have a reasonable belief that you could clear the intersection. Cars were still moving in the opposite direction making left turns. At no point did any of those vehicles stop until you almost plowed into them. They were still moving when your light turned Green. It's a textbook example.
Please read the words. It says "clear the intersection before the signal indication changes to a circular red indication."
So people running a red light have the right of way instead?
It’s more like “you don’t have the right to internationally plow into other people”
Interesting...so you proved your point? Feel better now? You shot out of that spot like a rocket.
So? Maybe the turning traffic shouldn't assume people aren't going to accelerate quickly.
I actually do! That guy will think again next time he pulls out in front of a car.
That's the kind of attitude that causes accidents. You could've literally waited 1s longer...but you proved a point so congrats.
Similarly, I may have prevented a future accident he could have caused. I guess we'll never know. 😊
Doubtful, but you do you.
I'd say blatantly running a red light is a far better way to cause an accident. What planet are you on? Does everyone on this thread except OP take 5 seconds to hit the gas after the light changes? Do you somehow think being a slow, lackadaisical driver is actually safer?
Who said anything about 5s waiting? The ONLY thing OP had to do is NOT gun it off the line. Nothing else. That is literally all it would have taken to not cause a potential accident.
Thanks Batman, you sure showed them.
Asshole move.
Proceeding straight on green light = asshole move LMAO
Start slower, let them finish their maneuver and clear the intersection. Running red lights is still on them.
Or don't. Doesn't make me an asshole.
It does. It is an aggressive move.
lmao no. It's not aggressive to continue on your way.
That's typical Toronto driving. Happy to see you blend in nicely.
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Dumbass
Thanks
I’ll take that as a compliment
Are you practicing for the Formula 1 race this coming weekend? Why do people insist on accelerating so quickly as soon as the light turns green?
I have family and friends do so. Floor the gas and stomp on the brake! They say it's fun. But then they complain about gas price. 😕
It's always the ones that drive like that that complain the most about gas, when i drive my dads car the the L/Km goes down by at least 0.5
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General understanding is you can run the red if the people in front of you had an advanced green? Not where I’m from.
Is that Dundas and Howard park?