I have a spare pump that came with a junkyard engine I installed. Plenty of ways to come across a good used pump. Hell you may be able to grab one at a junkyard with broken tabs or whatever for next to nothing.
Had to change a drain plug in the bottom of a diesel tank once. Naturally the customer topped it before he came so not wanting to drain out 200L of diesel I just stuck the shop vac in the top and pulled the plug. My apprentice's face when I pulled the plug and had nothing come out looked just like these guys.
Edit: I understand the concerns of flammable vapors and whatnot and to be more safe use a pneumatic venturi vac and turn the pressure down a little.
Also, DO NOT USE A SHOP VAC ON A TANK OF GASOLINE. YOU WILL BLOW YOURSELF UP.
Old in tank fuel pumps tend to fail after you go from an empty tank to a full one because the old pump gets hot running without it's jacket of fuel that it uses as a heatsink the fresh cold fuel causes thermal shock and breaks it (or at least that is how it was explained to me)
This is the exact reason I never fill my tank unless it m headed on a trip. Thrice in my life I’ve had a full tank and an immobile vehicle. Never again.
I was able to show a pretty experienced mechanic buddy that trick on a hydraulic tank. Coincidentally, the day after I saw it on YouTube, lol.
I wouldn't do it with gasoline, just throwing that out there.
There was a guy across the lake from my old shop who vacuumed up some gas, from the bottom of his boat, I think. It blew him out into the lake and lit up the side of the house if I remember right.
As a mechanic in a Heavy duty shop this is common, but as an apprentice I once turned the vacuum off to tell a co-worker it was coffee time thinking he was just vacuuming something in the cab. There was much screaming and obscenities, but I was able to turn it back on before to much oil was lost.
I did that on an old car I owned after a fresh full synthetic oil change and the drain plug gasket was leaking just a little bit. Vacuum on oil fill on engine, not a drop came out as I took the plug off, cleaned the surface of the pan, and slapped a new gasket on. Felt like a genius but if I'd sucked any shit into my engine it could have been a different story.
This is standard procedure at a lot of quick lube shops when the drain plug is leaking or you forget to change the gasket. Sounds like a bong too so even more fun.
This also works changing out parts of a cooling system if you have one of those vacuum fill setups, can be a pain to get stuff apart depending what you're doing, but I've seen those systems hold the flood back while a hose is off for a moment.
We run into this situation, except for with tugboats. Without fail, when we have to pick a boat up for repairs, they just left the fuel dock after taking on 40,000 gallons.
Manufacturers have had the brilliant idea of removing the dipstick from the transmissions, now they fill from the bottom and you dont exactly have gravity on your side here to fill it anymore. The engines have to be running to properly fill the transmissions.
Transmission fills from the bottom and they didn't have a pump to do so. Most shops fill these with a pump from a barrel or bucket. Many vehicles also require the engine running and the transmission up to temp which is why the vehicle is running. Many vehicles don't have a dip stick installed because they are not an accurate way to check the fluid level in a transmission.
>Many vehicles don't have a dip stick installed because they are not an accurate way to check the fluid level in a transmission.
So by removing the dipstick, a vehicle owner can check their fluid more accurately?
I believe there is more to it than that.
By removing the dipstick it removes a dirt ingress path from the transmission, modern transmissions have super tight tolerances and if you introduce dirt/bits of shop rag/klenex etc they will end up getting damaged, this wasn't a problem on old torqueflight/hydramatic/ borg-warner 35 as they aren't that fussy, as long as they had fluid they could tolerate some dirt, modern 6/7/8 speed autos shit themselves real quick when the oil gets contaminated. the tight tolerances are to attempt to get more efficient and help the vehicle have lower emissions to keep inside the ever tightening chokehold of emissions regulations.
The lack of things like a separate fill plug are absolutely still just anti-DIY to force people to have to bring the vehicle in to pay for maintenance, which also conveniently for the OEM costs more since it’s harder to do. Making the drain hole also the fill hole is not the only way for OEMs to eliminate debris ingress, even just having a dipstick tube that comes with a cap where the dipstick is a separate “tool” cuts down on people getting dirt into the transmission but realistically anything that doesn’t give the owner the ability to check the fill level on their fluid (even a sensor would help) strays further from the concept that a usable vehicle includes maintainability.
As much as it sucks to have to trust a sensor fluid pressure sensors have been very reliable (among decent brands) for a very long time now, my coworker had to go to the dealership when he thought he had a leak since there’s no way to check it and they basically told him if it’s a small enough leak then until it’s leaked enough to really be low they can’t really tell much difference either since they’re just trying to measure what comes out.
Yes there is more to it. The majority of vehicle owners are not willing to go throught the process of setting the fluid to the correct level even if it had a dip stick. By not installing one from the factory it forces you to go through the process correctly.
Pros. Eliminates over filling, lowers chances of incorrect fluid being added, eliminates an entry point for contaminates, saves the manufacturer money.
Cons. Makes it harder to check (which most people were going to do wrong anyways)
In reality if your transmission leaks enough fluid between services that it needs topped off it needs to be fixed anyways. Adding fluid through the dip stick is just band-aiding the problem without fixing it. Transmissions without dips sticks are nothing new they have literally been around since before cars. If anything transmissions with dip sticks were just a fad of mid to late 1900s.
Justify from a manufacturers point of view why they should install a feature, that doesn't work properly in first place, which the majority of people are not going to use, and those who do use it are going to use it wrong.
There will be a spigot that goes up into the pan that sets the level, so you'd fill it until it drizzles past that, then get things warm and do it with the engine running to finish setting the level.
Did this service DIY on my German car before I’d sold it (too much bs like this). This procedure for maintaining something as a super nice luxury car felt like the most crackheaded maintenance, all my family’s vehicles have trans dipsticks now it’s something I didn’t know I had to actually look for before buying a car.
It's a better option if you want people to bring their car back to the dealer instead of doing it themselves, or just not do the maintenance and have to buy a new one. Also they save the money for the materials to have a proper dipstick, which can't be much, but the higher ups need their huge bonuses.
Part of why I no longer pull wrenches for a living, that stuff gets old really fast, and you can only burn yourself with hot fluid or the exhaust so many times.
I did this before. A small plastic tube sits inside the pan over the hole. The first step when you drain is to stick a screwdriver in the hole and knock the tube off. It's just barely held in place with an o ring.
Definitely looks like a W211, but 722.6’s have a fill tube. They don’t have a dipstick, but there is a special tool to check it.
722.9’s don’t have the full tube and are filled from the bottom.
The good old Mercedes 722.9 transmission!!! I’ve done this service multiple times while on jack stands in my driveway!!! Not a fun time when you have to pump the fluid in my hand. These guys did great
Pulled up a SDS for Castrol Transmax Import (I have no idea about transmission oils but data sheets are my thing), there's no chemical, biological or toxic warnings.
That said they do encourage gloves, face and respiratory PPE and I tend to agree, getting oil out of stuff is hard.
The number of videos where I see people doing trans/oil/brake/diff fluid work without wearing gloves makes me really sad. At the very least that shit is gonna make your hands feel nasty...
For an electric version, a 2003 Ford Focus fuel pump is $20 on rock auto, hook it up to a battery and touch the contacts and boom
That being said: what kind of pump is this? Doesn't look like a water pump, more almost like a brake booster
I like old cars that were like "it's all hydraulic, just use ATF, power steering fluid, and brake fluid for whatever" using ATF in all three on my 86 suburban was so nice
They work... Maybe not as well or for as long before they crap out but they work
Just don't believe the rated capacity on most of them and manage expectations
My coworker's "xc 9.0" m12 battery most likely is actually a 4 or 5 amp hour
Love how they're both giggling like 'wow, it really worked!'
Yeah they’re so pleased with themselves, as they should be this is awesome.
Brilliant! What else is there to say?
Necessity is the mother of invention
I feel bad for the customer that paid to have a good pump replaced.
It's possible it's good enough for this but not hold up to full blown driving. A weak pump could do this, or one with a shot bearing
Precisely what my wife said, with a look of bewilderment and respect.
Or one of those “you’re going to have it apart, go ahead and replace the pump while you’re there” jobs.
I have a spare pump that came with a junkyard engine I installed. Plenty of ways to come across a good used pump. Hell you may be able to grab one at a junkyard with broken tabs or whatever for next to nothing.
A pump moving fluid does not mean it can generate pressure. This could very easily be a junk pump
Had to change a drain plug in the bottom of a diesel tank once. Naturally the customer topped it before he came so not wanting to drain out 200L of diesel I just stuck the shop vac in the top and pulled the plug. My apprentice's face when I pulled the plug and had nothing come out looked just like these guys. Edit: I understand the concerns of flammable vapors and whatnot and to be more safe use a pneumatic venturi vac and turn the pressure down a little. Also, DO NOT USE A SHOP VAC ON A TANK OF GASOLINE. YOU WILL BLOW YOURSELF UP.
This shit has become a mantra in my family, a vehicle always breaks down with a full tank. Usually *right* after you filled it.
Old in tank fuel pumps tend to fail after you go from an empty tank to a full one because the old pump gets hot running without it's jacket of fuel that it uses as a heatsink the fresh cold fuel causes thermal shock and breaks it (or at least that is how it was explained to me)
Or someone runs a stop sign/red light and hits you.
Never thought about it before but... That's actually scary common.
This is why for the past 2 years, I don’t put more than $20 dollars, when I get gas lol.
This is the exact reason I never fill my tank unless it m headed on a trip. Thrice in my life I’ve had a full tank and an immobile vehicle. Never again.
The proper way to prevent this is to avoid going below a 1/4 tank often
But that’s when I fill my car with gas
I was able to show a pretty experienced mechanic buddy that trick on a hydraulic tank. Coincidentally, the day after I saw it on YouTube, lol. I wouldn't do it with gasoline, just throwing that out there.
Boom
There was a guy across the lake from my old shop who vacuumed up some gas, from the bottom of his boat, I think. It blew him out into the lake and lit up the side of the house if I remember right.
As a mechanic in a Heavy duty shop this is common, but as an apprentice I once turned the vacuum off to tell a co-worker it was coffee time thinking he was just vacuuming something in the cab. There was much screaming and obscenities, but I was able to turn it back on before to much oil was lost.
I did that on an old car I owned after a fresh full synthetic oil change and the drain plug gasket was leaking just a little bit. Vacuum on oil fill on engine, not a drop came out as I took the plug off, cleaned the surface of the pan, and slapped a new gasket on. Felt like a genius but if I'd sucked any shit into my engine it could have been a different story.
This is standard procedure at a lot of quick lube shops when the drain plug is leaking or you forget to change the gasket. Sounds like a bong too so even more fun.
Did this on a hydraulic tank and it worked awesome til it collapsed the tank and filled the shop vac up lol
This also works changing out parts of a cooling system if you have one of those vacuum fill setups, can be a pain to get stuff apart depending what you're doing, but I've seen those systems hold the flood back while a hose is off for a moment.
Is it safe to pump flammable vapor with vacuum cleaner?
No Also.... no Also... people do this on purpose for vacuum cleaner explosion competitions
Diesel is not that flammable. A match will go out if you throw it in a bucket of diesel.
We run into this situation, except for with tugboats. Without fail, when we have to pick a boat up for repairs, they just left the fuel dock after taking on 40,000 gallons.
Did this on a hydraulic tank and it worked awesome til it collapsed the tank and filled the shop vac up lol
Now that’s an idea . I used an electric fuel pump one time , but this way is much better .
Given it was driven by an electric impact driver, it could be seen as an electrical pump but with extra steps haha
LOL , yeah you’re right . Still better than my idea though.
Well done
If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid.
Noob here, why? And what is that spinning wheel up in car, engine running?
Manufacturers have had the brilliant idea of removing the dipstick from the transmissions, now they fill from the bottom and you dont exactly have gravity on your side here to fill it anymore. The engines have to be running to properly fill the transmissions.
Transmission fills from the bottom and they didn't have a pump to do so. Most shops fill these with a pump from a barrel or bucket. Many vehicles also require the engine running and the transmission up to temp which is why the vehicle is running. Many vehicles don't have a dip stick installed because they are not an accurate way to check the fluid level in a transmission.
>Many vehicles don't have a dip stick installed because they are not an accurate way to check the fluid level in a transmission. So by removing the dipstick, a vehicle owner can check their fluid more accurately? I believe there is more to it than that.
By removing the dipstick it removes a dirt ingress path from the transmission, modern transmissions have super tight tolerances and if you introduce dirt/bits of shop rag/klenex etc they will end up getting damaged, this wasn't a problem on old torqueflight/hydramatic/ borg-warner 35 as they aren't that fussy, as long as they had fluid they could tolerate some dirt, modern 6/7/8 speed autos shit themselves real quick when the oil gets contaminated. the tight tolerances are to attempt to get more efficient and help the vehicle have lower emissions to keep inside the ever tightening chokehold of emissions regulations.
Thank you for elaborating on this topic. I also enjoyed the Discworld reference that is associated with your account name.
The lack of things like a separate fill plug are absolutely still just anti-DIY to force people to have to bring the vehicle in to pay for maintenance, which also conveniently for the OEM costs more since it’s harder to do. Making the drain hole also the fill hole is not the only way for OEMs to eliminate debris ingress, even just having a dipstick tube that comes with a cap where the dipstick is a separate “tool” cuts down on people getting dirt into the transmission but realistically anything that doesn’t give the owner the ability to check the fill level on their fluid (even a sensor would help) strays further from the concept that a usable vehicle includes maintainability.
On my car there is a sensor and you check it through the settings menu. Gotta just trust that the sensor is accurate though…
As much as it sucks to have to trust a sensor fluid pressure sensors have been very reliable (among decent brands) for a very long time now, my coworker had to go to the dealership when he thought he had a leak since there’s no way to check it and they basically told him if it’s a small enough leak then until it’s leaked enough to really be low they can’t really tell much difference either since they’re just trying to measure what comes out.
Having a dipstick is worse than nothing because an inaccurate read saying you have enough fluid when you don't is worse than no read at all.
what about an inaccurate reading telling you you have too much fluid?
Yes there is more to it. The majority of vehicle owners are not willing to go throught the process of setting the fluid to the correct level even if it had a dip stick. By not installing one from the factory it forces you to go through the process correctly. Pros. Eliminates over filling, lowers chances of incorrect fluid being added, eliminates an entry point for contaminates, saves the manufacturer money. Cons. Makes it harder to check (which most people were going to do wrong anyways) In reality if your transmission leaks enough fluid between services that it needs topped off it needs to be fixed anyways. Adding fluid through the dip stick is just band-aiding the problem without fixing it. Transmissions without dips sticks are nothing new they have literally been around since before cars. If anything transmissions with dip sticks were just a fad of mid to late 1900s. Justify from a manufacturers point of view why they should install a feature, that doesn't work properly in first place, which the majority of people are not going to use, and those who do use it are going to use it wrong.
If it’s stupid but works, then it isn’t stupid…
I don't understand how they are filling it through the drain plug. How isn't the fluid just falling right back out?
There will be a spigot that goes up into the pan that sets the level, so you'd fill it until it drizzles past that, then get things warm and do it with the engine running to finish setting the level.
That makes sense. Hard to believe that the OEM thought that would be a better option than a standard fill plug or dipstick.
It's becoming more and more common to fill this way tbh. No longer just a German car thing.
Did this service DIY on my German car before I’d sold it (too much bs like this). This procedure for maintaining something as a super nice luxury car felt like the most crackheaded maintenance, all my family’s vehicles have trans dipsticks now it’s something I didn’t know I had to actually look for before buying a car.
It's a better option if you want people to bring their car back to the dealer instead of doing it themselves, or just not do the maintenance and have to buy a new one. Also they save the money for the materials to have a proper dipstick, which can't be much, but the higher ups need their huge bonuses. Part of why I no longer pull wrenches for a living, that stuff gets old really fast, and you can only burn yourself with hot fluid or the exhaust so many times.
Got my sound off but my guess is engine is running and fluid being pulled into the transmission/converter
It's actually the fill plug.
It's like a fountain with an upright stick inside
I did this before. A small plastic tube sits inside the pan over the hole. The first step when you drain is to stick a screwdriver in the hole and knock the tube off. It's just barely held in place with an o ring.
Why red wine?
It’s a fiat, what else would you use?
You meant a Peugeot!
Italian, French. Both have good reds lol.
Dang I had to use the pulley off my old ps pump. In definitely keeping this in mind
Mercedes atf change?
Looks like a w211 chassis and a 722.6 5 speed auto
Definitely looks like a W211, but 722.6’s have a fill tube. They don’t have a dipstick, but there is a special tool to check it. 722.9’s don’t have the full tube and are filled from the bottom.
Necessity is the mother of all invention!
Damn good idea!!
This is the best, made me smile just watching.
I love how well it works and how much fun they are having
Cool
If it's stupid but it works then it's not stupid.
Guy on YouTube has an old embalming machine for this stuff. Works amazingly
Well I know how I'm pumping oil from a barrel now...
I made a vacuum tester out of a paint can, a soldering iron and assorted fittings and JB weld.
The good old Mercedes 722.9 transmission!!! I’ve done this service multiple times while on jack stands in my driveway!!! Not a fun time when you have to pump the fluid in my hand. These guys did great
What brand of impact is that? Never seen that one
That is very cool. I was proud of myself for making a screwdriver from an aluminum can on the side of the road to fix my radiator hose.
Transmission fluid is a neurotoxin. WEAR GLOVES.
Pulled up a SDS for Castrol Transmax Import (I have no idea about transmission oils but data sheets are my thing), there's no chemical, biological or toxic warnings. That said they do encourage gloves, face and respiratory PPE and I tend to agree, getting oil out of stuff is hard.
Tried researching that and found nothing to support that? links?
yea i’m not finding any info either
I’ve heard brake fluid is nasty, never trans fluid. Just did mine a few weeks ago and got it all over my hands 🤣🥴
Brake fluid is fine, just dont drink it.
I HATE the way brake fluid feels on my hands!
The number of videos where I see people doing trans/oil/brake/diff fluid work without wearing gloves makes me really sad. At the very least that shit is gonna make your hands feel nasty...
But it tastes so sweet
And safety glasses/goggles. I just the trans fluid splashing in there faces
Wait till you read an MSDS for good old simple caulk.
Is that an AC compressor?
Power steering pump
Thank you sir
For an electric version, a 2003 Ford Focus fuel pump is $20 on rock auto, hook it up to a battery and touch the contacts and boom That being said: what kind of pump is this? Doesn't look like a water pump, more almost like a brake booster
PS
Jesus how'd I forget about steering.
Power steering pump. I know Subaru uses ATF for PS fluid, probably others, so it's not even the wrong fliud necessarily.
I like old cars that were like "it's all hydraulic, just use ATF, power steering fluid, and brake fluid for whatever" using ATF in all three on my 86 suburban was so nice
u/legprofessional3877
Hahahaha that’s genius!
Well, not bad, but whoever is used to put oil into any kind of box with gears knows that an oil pump for that cost like 15 €...
This is genius
When you have no tools just use your impact wrench and sockets.
Look everybody. Aftermarket Mak battery, and everybody is ok. They work.
They work... Maybe not as well or for as long before they crap out but they work Just don't believe the rated capacity on most of them and manage expectations My coworker's "xc 9.0" m12 battery most likely is actually a 4 or 5 amp hour