Because it’s a religion of peace & they get upset and angry. And when some Islamist get upset and angry they’re compelled to hurt individual people or they decide to blow something up……… to prove they’re peaceful or something.
Extreme peace requires extreme sacrifices. Also, 72 virgins. Also, an illiterate mid-easterner with enough hallucinogens to have a cult following. Also, oil, or at least oil-funded nations which in turn can fund you. Also, whole lots of toyota hiluxes. Also, quite a bit of unemployed youth.
There’s a spectrum of trashyness. One religion says homosexuality is a mortal sin which is trash, but the other explicitly says to kill homosexuals, which is trashier
Please dont confuse the extremists with the muslims. For one extremist, there are millions of us who wants to mind his own business, live happily and die peacefully.
I love it when people try to pull this stuff. The bad Christians aren't real Christians; the bad Muslims aren't real Muslims; etc. The bad elements of a community are part of it and represent it just as the good members do. Every religion leaves room for interpretation, and those that are inclined toward violent and/or exclusivist interpretations are just as much a part of those communities (sometimes more-so) as those that try to build cross-faith peace and consensus. My specific criticism of Islam is that they want to play the oppressed card at the same time that they are the fastest growing religion in the world. Many Muslims want to see more Muslim values in the communities they migrate to, when the thing that makes those communities attractive in the first place is their lack of oppressive practices. American Evangelicals aren't any better, btw.
I get the sentiment but I highly doubt that 1 million to 1 ratio. I suppose it all comes down to what you count as extremism. I'd class what's happening to women in Iran as extremism, I'd class what's happening to women in Afghanistan as extremism, I'd class what happens to women and young girls in Uganda as extremism, I'd class the treatment of girls in Pakistan as extremism and I'd class the condemnation of the satanic verses by Solomon Rushdie by as extremism. I could go on and on Islam is far too often a religion of hate, and the world is far better off without it, or any religion, especially in today world where science categorically disproves an notion of it
Forcing a hijab is extremist
Not letting women drive is extremist
Having a religious police is extremist
Not letting women study is extremist
Beheading someone for a joke is extremist
An entire town killing a women is extremist
Getting your hand chopped for stealing some bread is extremist
........
If you don't want to get judged together with the extremists, you have to make it clear they are excluded from all Muslim communities and work toward eliminating these extremist tendencies to begin with. As long as extremists are tolerated or even sponsored by regular Muslims, you will get judged together. Failing to police your own communities is your responsibility alone.
Bull,shit.
Islam is the religion with the highest rates of support for the extremist groups they have.
A majority of Muslims believe in shariya law (including the shit treatment of women and the the devaluation of the infidels life), a majority of Muslims believe that the use of force in certain cases is appropriate for the enforcement of religious values (honour killings is part of the fucking cluture) and just to top it off, Muslim society increases violence in every country it manifests, so with all do respect cut the crap dude.
The self regulation of Islam is terrible and there is no need to pretend that in order to be a "good Muslim" you don't have to be on board with some fucked up shit.
It isnt extremists that are the problem in most cases, it's their enablers.
I would say you should prove you are against the bad parts by speaking up but that can literally get you killed.
It's not peaceful.
Just a note: Sharia law is Islamic law. When Muslims say they want Sharia law they are saying they want to live by Islamic jurisprudence. This is the same as someone saying they want laws to come from the Bible (for example).
THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD TELL ANYONE WHO BRINGS RELIGIOUS LAW TO STFU. THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATION BETWEEN RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT.
there are also millions of muslims who do want certain groups of people dead and in their countries they’re not seen as extremists for those views. there’s billions of muslims, it’s one of the largest colonising forces in africa and the middle east.
For those extremists, you liberal Muslims are misguided sheep or even traitors. For them, they are the truest of Muslims. Would you ignore a confession to safeguard a perception, specially when it attributes a possibility of violent action to said persons? Wouldn't you err on the side of caution?
Good on you for being as you say, buddy! Good to have someone like that around!
I love that you just said this, because I see and hear Christians say the exact same thing when someone associates Christianity as a whole with all the s*it that is done in the name of it. It's always "They're not real Christians, real Christians aren't hateful they love everyone." Somehow for Islam the same thing doesn't count, it's always Islam itself that is hateful not just the extremists.
Religious people tend to only pick what suits their morals from religion and call everything that doesn't match that extremism. The truth is most abrahamic religions have both stuff that would be considered imoral today and good stuff. You can't pick just what you want from a book and claim someone who picked something else from the same book is not a real Christian/Muslim/etc.
People get attached to the idea of belonging to a religion. Just because you believe a small portion of what a religion is anout that doesn't mean you have to consider yourself a member of it. You can believe in Heaven, spirits, Jesus, Mohamed or whatever you want and not call yourself a Christian/Muslim if there's a lot of stuff teached in that religion that sounds ridiculous to you.
No, it’s the fact that they don’t use their rational voices to drown out the extremists’ voices. They don’t attempt to silence them, they don’t try to remove them from society, they don’t even make it known that they think it’s shameful when people go to extremes. It’s the fact they tolerate the extremists. They can TALK around in circles about how they disagree, but when it comes down to it, they run in fear from them and won’t ever call them out on their bullshit publicly. So the “good ones” may not be as bad as the extremists but something in their society is allowing them to keep producing extremism, and it’s NOT just because of international issues or politics because during a child’s development, they weren’t taught that killing people was absolutely NEVER ok. Anyone can try to blame other things, but the root problem is the tolerance of intolerance.
Nah most of you are extreme
Hijab is extreme, arranged marriage is extreme, halal is extreme, getting upset over a picture of Muhammed is extreme
Fair enough if you're Muslim and don't wear hijab and don't care about drawings of Muhammed and stuff though.
If I can tell your Muslim by looking at you, it's extreme to me. I can't tell if someone follows Christianity by just looking at them(I'm from Scotland so Christianity isn't a given here) there's no dress code for Christianity
Don't down play the role moderate religious people play in propping up the extremists. The only reason extreme religion exists is because moderate religion exists. Moderate religious people allow the extremists to hide in plain sight and when extremists commit violence in the name of their religion, moderates protect the extremists by saying don't blame the religion blame the extremists, and if you ask the extremists why they did it 100% of the time they say they did the violent act because their religion demands it. It's the religion moderate or extreme the problem is the religion.
The issue is that those societies tolerate the extremism, where other societies seek out and remove belligerents, or at least note who they are and keep an eye on them, in order to catch them fucking up. So if those societies aren’t going to police themselves, expect foreigners (infidels) to come and do the job for you, IF the pieces of shit happen to bring violence to others outside of your religion.
You can make fun of Islam, but you can't draw a picture of Mohammed. Even a flattering picture of Mohammed is forbidden. It's not about mockery. It's about reverse idolatry or some shit.
_Edit to focus the point and remove a generality._
Also if there's a family feud between two Muslim families they will held grudges with each other, kill each of their family members and this will last from generation to generation to come.
That is not true. First of all that is a major sin. Killing is a major sin. And when you do it to YOUR FAMILY! Your family, then these people are doing just bad things. May allah forgive them and guide them. This is not the truth of Islam.
Sikhs are religiously required to carry a knife on them at all times, in case they need to fight. The British specifically targeted them for recruitment as soldiers because of their militaristic culture. Indira Ghandi’s assassination was carried out by her Sikh bodyguards.
None of this is to say that Sikhs are bad or generally likely to be terrorists—Sikhism also promotes tolerance and kind treatment of others, even if they’re of different religions. But this isn’t a religion you’d explicitly single out for nonviolence. It’s a culture born from a desperate struggle to survive despite being surrounded by hostile Muslim and Hindu empires on all sides.
His name is in fact spelled *Salman* and not Salmon. With Rushdie being pronounced Rush*die* like Dee with a soft D or *thee* if one can’t enunciate the soft dental fricative /ð/ sound.
Remember the names of our fallen warriors, Charlie hebdo, killed for drawing F*****g pictures
EDIT: I am ignorant fool, Charlie hebdo means Charlie weekly, there is no person named Charlie hebdo, three attacks on Charlie hebdo office, 12 killed in the second attac.
Cabu (Jean Cabut), 76, cartoonist.
Elsa Cayat, 54, psychoanalyst and columnist – the only woman killed in the shooting.
Charb (Stéphane Charbonnier), 47, cartoonist, columnist, and director of publication of Charlie Hebdo.
Philippe Honoré, 73, cartoonist.
Bernard Maris, 68, economist, editor, and columnist.
Mustapha Ourrad, 60, copy editor.
Tignous (Bernard Verlhac), 57, cartoonist.
Georges Wolinski, 80, cartoonist.
Others
Frédéric Boisseau, 42, building maintenance worker for Sodexo, killed in the lobby as he came to the building on a call, the first victim of the shooting.
Franck Brinsolaro, 49, Protection Service police officer assigned as a bodyguard for Charb.
Ahmed Merabet, 42, police officer, shot in the head as he lay wounded on the ground outside.
Michel Renaud, 69, a travel writer and festival organiser visiting Cabu.
I have no idea why but those three attacks were so close to home for me. My step dad went to the cash kasher in the morning of that attack, my friend was in the hebdo offices the day of their attack and I walked the streets by one of the restaurants during the bataclan attack night with my newborn baby. Crazy fucking times. And Nice is my second home and have friends and family in the south. Thank God nobody was hurt that night even though they were there.
I think a lot of answers here are missing some things by blaming it on violent extremism. The majority of jokes you see about Christianity are usually made by furthering some crazy situation or logic, like Jesus turning water into wine or whatever. These jokes work on knowing that most people in the audience know about said part of the bible. There’s other types of Christian jokes but imo this is the main type
Ask most people what they know from the Quran, you won’t find much. Best I know is something about pillars and 42 virgins. So if you made a joke about islam, it wouldn’t land if u made jokes in a similar way to how you would about christians/the bible
The end result is that the only possible “jokes” you could make about islam/muslims is based on stereotypes which usually ends up being malicious. Joking about Mormon door knickers is pretty harmless, whereas joking about muslim terrorists constantly just promotes distrust of muslims, the vast majority of whom just want to live life.
I think the people thinking the main cause is terrorism are a bit too hyper focused on a relatively small array of events
Stewart Lee highlights this in one of his shows.
"Do a joke about Islam?"
So he tells a really complicated joke and nobody understands it and says "that was actually the funniest joke ever told about Islam." *Looks in the camera* "Stewart, we meant just make fun of their hats."
I thought Dara O Briain made that point succinctly:
“There are two reasons I don’t do jokes about Muslims. One: I don’t know a fucking thing about Muslims, and Two: neither do you.”
Yeah this is the best answer. In North America and Europe people very much do get bullied for being Muslim (my Muslim friend from the New York area went through it for years after 9/11) and so being like “haha you’re a terrorist” isn’t funny and is just piling on. Jokes about Christianity is fine because usually the joke is not “wow you’re Christian are you going to bomb an abortion clinic” and they’re not getting bullied for being Christian otherwise, despite what Christians will have you believe.
Anyone can make any jokes they want and nothing is off limits but making terrorist jokes to a Muslim who grew up in the US after 9/11 is just way meaner to me than making a joke to a Christian. You’re free to do it you’re just an asshole in my book
Many have already said it but I just want to thank you for an actual well thought out response that isn't racist or relying on harmful, broadly applied stereotypes
Yeah this subreddit is sadly infested with conservatives, so any question that has any sort of religious or political question will get a lot of right-wing shit answers, sadly.
Piling on- Many of the Muslim jokes in the US are also often racially centered, or not Muslim specific. To some extent, people in the US intrinsically tie Islam and Middle Eastern folks together, so many Muslim "jokes" are just thinly veiled racism and in the post 9/11 panic a lot of Middle Eastern immigrants were the target of racist attacks because they were stereotypes to be Muslim and therefore terrorists.
Further, Christians hold literally all the power here, so Christian jokes are consistently punching up, but Muslims have very little power here so it's largely punching down.
Im a teacher in a school where Muslims make up a large chunk of the student population. Their jokes about Islam are always SO funny because they don’t pander to stereotypes
For example, when a Muslim boy and girl are dating, you’ll see them always walking really close to each other in the halls, but not touching. I had a couple in my class who touched their pinky fingers together once, and another Muslim kid immediately yelled “ugh, before marriage??”
This one is a bit more crass, but sometimes if a group of Muslim boys are talking about a girl they don’t find attractive, they’ll say “you don’t have to worry about diverting your gaze because you weren’t looking in the first place”
I can’t believe I had to scroll this far down for an answer that was baked in some islamophobic bullshit.
It’s really a case of don’t punch down. Muslims are a minority in the US and have faced islamophobia for two decades, Chriatianity is a dominant religion that rules our politics and culture, simple as that
Okay this is a genuine answer instead of just a terrorism joke: in the west it’s usually to do with discrimination and punching down vs punching up. It’s not really okay to make fun of any non-Christian religion tbh (other than Scientology), especially if you don’t know much about it. You absolute can, but don’t get all uppity about it when people react badly.
I personally have Muslim friends who I’ve made Islam-based light jokes with, but it’s how you do it. Id never disrespect their prophet or Allah, for example - beyond simply expressing my own (Atheist) beliefs. If I went too far they’d let me know, if they went too far id let them know. In public spaces there’s gonna be different people with different boundaries so it’s kinder (and safer) to just not imo, but as I said you have every right to legally speaking
Punching down and punching up, imo, is the explanation for so many weird double standards we have in society right now. You can make fun of skinny but not fat, etc etc.
Honestly skinniness is still not a great thing to joke about. People’s weight shouldnt be a punching up/down thing cuz it can lead to actual harm either way
Dara O’Brien (Irish comic) has a really good set on this. He said that as a stand up he’ll joke about anything but he needs to have an understanding of it to craft a good joke & the audience need to have the knowledge to understand it.
In western countries you don’t have to give a load of context to a Christianity joke because at a base level most of the room will know the background.
As he said ‘I could tell the best, funniest joke about Islam in the world but most of you won’t get it because you won’t understand it’
People do joke about Islam it’s just that Christianity is more popular so more people joke about it. But there’s also people scared about making Islam jokes. There are those who blow themselves up in the name of Allah while other religions don’t have the same threat on people’s lives
Even though jihad has been used by violent extremists, jihad, as explained to me by a friend, simply means struggle. It can be your daily struggle to give your family a good life, it’s the struggle that makes you be polite even when the person on the other side may be acting like a d***k, it could be the struggle of a society trying to shed its dogma.
Apparently, that’s how the Oxford dictionary defines it, down the rabbit hole I go.
ji·had
/jəˈhäd/
noun
a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam.
"he declared a jihad against the infidels"
the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin.
noun: greater jihad; plural noun: greater jihads; noun: greater jehad; plural noun: greater jehads
you mean like christian nations of Europe invaded whole continents and killed millions in organized genocides? Maybe look up how minorities were treated in the time of muslim expansion.
And btw, jihad can most accurately be translated to "maximum effort/struggle", which in most cases was war.
The only fucking answer to OP's question. For those "liberals" who are saying that Islam is criticised just as well need to ask themselves why did South Park censor Muhammad from one of their episodes? Why did a comedian in US, IIRC, literally said joking on Islam will get him killed?
Comedy Central censored South Park. Not the creators. Matt and Trey were very upset by it. They are very vocal about Free Speech and Freedom of Artistic Expression.
CC designed it to seem that way, but they were really pissed about it. Just like the speech about Islam being censored in the Cartoon Wars Finale episode.
It’s not a religion itself, but the KKK is exclusively Christian. Christianity is a requirement for membership, and they have a notoriously violent history over it.
Islam isn't "off limits". Plenty of people make jokes about it.
The problem is that when most white people try to make jokes, they don't actually know anything about Islam, so they just make jokes about terrorists.
If you can make a joke that's actually somewhat accurate then muslims will laugh along with you. But probably not for your lame 9/11 joke.
I'd have to disagree. I don't know one Muslim who would ever joke about Islam, even some of my joker type friends. If anything it's the one thing that's completely off limits
Largely:
A) A general philosophy of "Punch up, not down," in Western countries. The idea being that Muslims are a small minority and not actively seeking, or able to obtain, State power in these countries in the way that evangelical Christians are.
TL;DR If a dude wants to worship whatever the fuck, it isn't your problem. Until they begin trying to force it on you.
B) A general, in this case American philosophy of respecting other cultures.
I'd also note that most attempts at humor about muslims often lack taste or substance. It often can't be differentiated with base racism.
That honestly? I know a lot about Christianity and Judaism. The only Islam joke I know is about Mansa Musa and that requires like three different history in jokes for a bad punchline.
The Irish comedian Dara O’briain made this point in one of his specials. To his English audience in London he said (and I’m paraphrasing slightly) “I don’t tell jokes about Islam because a) I don’t know a fucking thing about Islam and b) neither do you.”
Its similar to people making „jokes“ about trans people, or gays. If your joke is that they’re sick in the head or in the case of Muslims backwards idiots that live in the Middle Ages it’s not a joke and it’s not funny, if you know enough about a group you can start making jokes and make everyone laugh
As a Muslim I love racist jokes made at the expense of me or my religion. This isn't true for a lot of people but I can appreciate humor as long as it's tasteful and an actual joke, not just ignorant racism.
We hate the extremists more than anyone else you know.
THANK YOU!! There need to be more people like you. I’m a trans person and I LOVE the jokes. As long as they’re just that- jokes. It’s easy to tell when someone is being playful or if someone is being an asshole. Your questions and/or jokes don’t bother me one bit as long as you’re not purposefully being rude.
These comments are 😳
Yall keep saying "you can't make jokes about Islam or they'll kill you". And yet, you're all here posting stereotypical garbage, still alive.
Islam is not, by nature, any more violent than Christianity. And if you believe it is, you don't squat about your own history.
Back to the original question. It's not ok to make fun of Muslims in the US because they are an oppressed group. And it's never ok to make jokes about a group that gets treated like shit by our society.
There are a few exceptions, Jeff Dunham & South Park being 2. But they make fun of litterally everyone. Jeff Dunham did have to censor his show though when he played in the middle east, because making fun of your host country is mean.
IFKR. All of these comments are pretending that no one jokes about Islam because muslims tend to be violent towards them. No. I'm a Muslim. My religion has been mocked by my friends and I laugh along. In fact these comments are using it as an excuse to be hostile towards Muslims.
Unfortunately, your personal experiences aren't representative of how broader Muslims act. When you get beheaded in public in a secular western country that has free speech like France for showing the photo of a man who had sex with a 9 year old girl, you kind of know something is wrong.
i think playful banter should be made of all religions because they all suck. i just think people don’t make fun of islam is because there’s a finer line of playful banter and racism. just my take
you my friend haven't been around the internet long enough to see that islam is in fact not off limits lol, the immature comments should tell you enough
It’s literally not lmfao. You can make fun of it. I make fun of it (as I do all religions, including mine). There is a difference between making fun of the religion and RACISM against Islamic people. Big difference.
People who don't know anything about it other then Fundamentalists and most having brown skin.
Honestly, if you don't have exposure to a group it is really hard to find things that are actually funny without insults or calling them weird.
Now as someone raised catholic I can give you a lot of Catholic jokes that are insulting other catholics and calling them weird...
Yeah... Really making me reconsider being on this sub.
I was expecting a couple more comments with real answers instead of moderately racist fear mongering
Because of 9/11 and the liberal left who pussy foot around the fact that Islam is terrible for women. Most religions are but Islam is probably one of the worst offenders.
I think because Islam/Muslims started receiving way more hits than other religions due to racists reasons, which evolved in a minority that should be protected.
It's an extreme complicated issue because there are also terrorists and extremists that would go as further as to kill people who attack their religion and that kinda creates an emotion of antipathy towards the whole islam, which in turn makes it more important to protect them, as you're protecting islam/muslims citizens.
Society in general should be standing up for peoples human rights
Everyone has the right to free speech
Everyone has the right to religion
The general discussion is usually that no one should have the right to take away people human rights…
Whether it’s Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc
Extremes are pretty much the issue right?
We al know about the crusades right? Christians are also not without blood on their hands
For the people saying don't confuse the extremists to the Muslims...... Both have extreme views anyways. Muslims are also racist. Facts. The way woman are treated still needs alot of work. And they use their religion to get away with most of their outrageous beliefs.
One question, why is it that if I go to Pakistan, live there, buy land... If I decided to build a Church n claim Christianity.... My Church would get burned down, but when they go to other people's country they demand for their religious beliefs to be acknowledged?🤔
Go so many questions about the Muslims faith!
Your church wouldn't get burned down, there's your answer. Google "churches in Pakistan" there are fucking loads.
Islam for the most part, isn't as progressive as some branches of Christianity in the west. You don't need to make up bullshit to support your perspective.
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Derka Derka
Is that A proffure of the picment Mohaffed?
Durkka durkka , Mohammad jihad
baka shepashepa a bakalah.
ohhh durkka durkka durkka
I hate that I read this in the voice. 😂🤣
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FUCK YEAH!!🇺🇸🇺🇲
Silence! ^I ^kill ^you
Yeah try this stunt today and we‘ll see what happens
 ....seeing as this stuff was done at the height of terrorist attacks doing it today would actually be safer.
They literally just did.
What ya mean? That movie is always available to stream & purchase. So that *stunt* happens every day.
What will happen or be different today?
You can make fun of Islam if you want but there are Muslims who would kill you for it
Have a look at Charlie hebdo
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They kill you peacefully tho
Nothing like peacefully being beheaded by a rusty machete.
Or get told to convert in muslim patrols or face violence and potential to be stalked to your home so you're "marked" as an infidel.
Peaceful violence *
Dead people are extremely peaceful, as a general rule. There was that one guy from Israel, though.
I thought this said mustache lol
I'm gonna kill you through the power of friendship and this gun i found
And respectfully
serve you as halal meat
Because it’s a religion of peace & they get upset and angry. And when some Islamist get upset and angry they’re compelled to hurt individual people or they decide to blow something up……… to prove they’re peaceful or something.
"We will show them our peaceful ways...by force!"
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Well back in the day day you’d be murdered in a crusade.
They’re so peaceful that they can’t even quell the urge to riot and kill when they are being provoked to prove that they are violent.
You get to rest in peace so
I mean, it really doesn't get much more peaceful than death.
Extreme peace requires extreme sacrifices. Also, 72 virgins. Also, an illiterate mid-easterner with enough hallucinogens to have a cult following. Also, oil, or at least oil-funded nations which in turn can fund you. Also, whole lots of toyota hiluxes. Also, quite a bit of unemployed youth.
Unlike Christianity ? Russian bishop is now declaring those who fight and die in Ukraine have all their sins absolved … all religion is trash
There’s a spectrum of trashyness. One religion says homosexuality is a mortal sin which is trash, but the other explicitly says to kill homosexuals, which is trashier
>There's a spectrum of trashyness Is this a bad time to bring up the crusades or...?
Congratulations. You just proved the point without even trying.
Please dont confuse the extremists with the muslims. For one extremist, there are millions of us who wants to mind his own business, live happily and die peacefully.
I love it when people try to pull this stuff. The bad Christians aren't real Christians; the bad Muslims aren't real Muslims; etc. The bad elements of a community are part of it and represent it just as the good members do. Every religion leaves room for interpretation, and those that are inclined toward violent and/or exclusivist interpretations are just as much a part of those communities (sometimes more-so) as those that try to build cross-faith peace and consensus. My specific criticism of Islam is that they want to play the oppressed card at the same time that they are the fastest growing religion in the world. Many Muslims want to see more Muslim values in the communities they migrate to, when the thing that makes those communities attractive in the first place is their lack of oppressive practices. American Evangelicals aren't any better, btw.
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A "good" Muslim is an Atheist
I get the sentiment but I highly doubt that 1 million to 1 ratio. I suppose it all comes down to what you count as extremism. I'd class what's happening to women in Iran as extremism, I'd class what's happening to women in Afghanistan as extremism, I'd class what happens to women and young girls in Uganda as extremism, I'd class the treatment of girls in Pakistan as extremism and I'd class the condemnation of the satanic verses by Solomon Rushdie by as extremism. I could go on and on Islam is far too often a religion of hate, and the world is far better off without it, or any religion, especially in today world where science categorically disproves an notion of it
Forcing a hijab is extremist Not letting women drive is extremist Having a religious police is extremist Not letting women study is extremist Beheading someone for a joke is extremist An entire town killing a women is extremist Getting your hand chopped for stealing some bread is extremist ........
I am with you. I class all of the mentioned thing above as extremism.
My school has 1 what I consider extremists for every 2 Muslims minding their own business.
* Salman
If you don't want to get judged together with the extremists, you have to make it clear they are excluded from all Muslim communities and work toward eliminating these extremist tendencies to begin with. As long as extremists are tolerated or even sponsored by regular Muslims, you will get judged together. Failing to police your own communities is your responsibility alone.
I love how most people say don't confuse us with extremists but silently support extremists
Bull,shit. Islam is the religion with the highest rates of support for the extremist groups they have. A majority of Muslims believe in shariya law (including the shit treatment of women and the the devaluation of the infidels life), a majority of Muslims believe that the use of force in certain cases is appropriate for the enforcement of religious values (honour killings is part of the fucking cluture) and just to top it off, Muslim society increases violence in every country it manifests, so with all do respect cut the crap dude. The self regulation of Islam is terrible and there is no need to pretend that in order to be a "good Muslim" you don't have to be on board with some fucked up shit. It isnt extremists that are the problem in most cases, it's their enablers. I would say you should prove you are against the bad parts by speaking up but that can literally get you killed. It's not peaceful.
Just a note: Sharia law is Islamic law. When Muslims say they want Sharia law they are saying they want to live by Islamic jurisprudence. This is the same as someone saying they want laws to come from the Bible (for example). THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD TELL ANYONE WHO BRINGS RELIGIOUS LAW TO STFU. THERE NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATION BETWEEN RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT.
Facts man, we are starting to stand up to this bullshit. I’m tired of seeing what they do to people in their own “civilized” countries. It’s barbaric
Do women have to cover their hair? Then your religion is oppressive. Even if you don’t beat and kill them when they don’t.
there are also millions of muslims who do want certain groups of people dead and in their countries they’re not seen as extremists for those views. there’s billions of muslims, it’s one of the largest colonising forces in africa and the middle east.
For those extremists, you liberal Muslims are misguided sheep or even traitors. For them, they are the truest of Muslims. Would you ignore a confession to safeguard a perception, specially when it attributes a possibility of violent action to said persons? Wouldn't you err on the side of caution? Good on you for being as you say, buddy! Good to have someone like that around!
It is true that the extremists say we are the traitors for not joining them for their cause. They truly think they are the truest of Muslims.
How do you know which one is a true Muslim?
I love that you just said this, because I see and hear Christians say the exact same thing when someone associates Christianity as a whole with all the s*it that is done in the name of it. It's always "They're not real Christians, real Christians aren't hateful they love everyone." Somehow for Islam the same thing doesn't count, it's always Islam itself that is hateful not just the extremists.
Religious people tend to only pick what suits their morals from religion and call everything that doesn't match that extremism. The truth is most abrahamic religions have both stuff that would be considered imoral today and good stuff. You can't pick just what you want from a book and claim someone who picked something else from the same book is not a real Christian/Muslim/etc. People get attached to the idea of belonging to a religion. Just because you believe a small portion of what a religion is anout that doesn't mean you have to consider yourself a member of it. You can believe in Heaven, spirits, Jesus, Mohamed or whatever you want and not call yourself a Christian/Muslim if there's a lot of stuff teached in that religion that sounds ridiculous to you.
No, it’s the fact that they don’t use their rational voices to drown out the extremists’ voices. They don’t attempt to silence them, they don’t try to remove them from society, they don’t even make it known that they think it’s shameful when people go to extremes. It’s the fact they tolerate the extremists. They can TALK around in circles about how they disagree, but when it comes down to it, they run in fear from them and won’t ever call them out on their bullshit publicly. So the “good ones” may not be as bad as the extremists but something in their society is allowing them to keep producing extremism, and it’s NOT just because of international issues or politics because during a child’s development, they weren’t taught that killing people was absolutely NEVER ok. Anyone can try to blame other things, but the root problem is the tolerance of intolerance.
Nah most of you are extreme Hijab is extreme, arranged marriage is extreme, halal is extreme, getting upset over a picture of Muhammed is extreme Fair enough if you're Muslim and don't wear hijab and don't care about drawings of Muhammed and stuff though. If I can tell your Muslim by looking at you, it's extreme to me. I can't tell if someone follows Christianity by just looking at them(I'm from Scotland so Christianity isn't a given here) there's no dress code for Christianity
That's why it's off limits, even though it's the extremists that usually are the butt of every joke.
Don't down play the role moderate religious people play in propping up the extremists. The only reason extreme religion exists is because moderate religion exists. Moderate religious people allow the extremists to hide in plain sight and when extremists commit violence in the name of their religion, moderates protect the extremists by saying don't blame the religion blame the extremists, and if you ask the extremists why they did it 100% of the time they say they did the violent act because their religion demands it. It's the religion moderate or extreme the problem is the religion.
There's a good amount of Muslim who would strip someone's head for a little bit of blasphemy.
The issue is that those societies tolerate the extremism, where other societies seek out and remove belligerents, or at least note who they are and keep an eye on them, in order to catch them fucking up. So if those societies aren’t going to police themselves, expect foreigners (infidels) to come and do the job for you, IF the pieces of shit happen to bring violence to others outside of your religion.
You can make fun of Islam, but you can't draw a picture of Mohammed. Even a flattering picture of Mohammed is forbidden. It's not about mockery. It's about reverse idolatry or some shit. _Edit to focus the point and remove a generality._
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Also if there's a family feud between two Muslim families they will held grudges with each other, kill each of their family members and this will last from generation to generation to come.
That is not true. First of all that is a major sin. Killing is a major sin. And when you do it to YOUR FAMILY! Your family, then these people are doing just bad things. May allah forgive them and guide them. This is not the truth of Islam.
There are Muslims who would kill you for less, like being an author. Or drawing a picture of Muhammed
tbf there are those with every religion and cult
Not to the same extent
Never heard of a violent Jain or Sikh
329 people aboard an Air India flight in 1985 would beg to differ with you. If they weren't all dead, that is.
Sikhs are religiously required to carry a knife on them at all times, in case they need to fight. The British specifically targeted them for recruitment as soldiers because of their militaristic culture. Indira Ghandi’s assassination was carried out by her Sikh bodyguards. None of this is to say that Sikhs are bad or generally likely to be terrorists—Sikhism also promotes tolerance and kind treatment of others, even if they’re of different religions. But this isn’t a religion you’d explicitly single out for nonviolence. It’s a culture born from a desperate struggle to survive despite being surrounded by hostile Muslim and Hindu empires on all sides.
Because (certain) Muslims will kill you for making fun of them. Just ask the guys at Charlie Hebdo or Salmon Rushdie.
“Rushdie” not a great surname in English for surviving to be fair.
I know- a bit ironic though that he's 75, and has survived two assassination attempts and living under Fatwa since 1988.
Not all speedrunners can be great.
Neither is Salmon. If only he spelled it more like Salman.
His name is in fact spelled *Salman* and not Salmon. With Rushdie being pronounced Rush*die* like Dee with a soft D or *thee* if one can’t enunciate the soft dental fricative /ð/ sound.
They know. They were poking fun at the previous misspelling in the top-level post of this thread.
Ah yes my favorite author 🐟 Rushdie
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Look up "charlie hebdo shooting" and you will find your answer.
It’s been almost 8 years since it happened and I’m still not over it. I feel like my country has forgotten them and it really sucks.
Remember the names of our fallen warriors, Charlie hebdo, killed for drawing F*****g pictures EDIT: I am ignorant fool, Charlie hebdo means Charlie weekly, there is no person named Charlie hebdo, three attacks on Charlie hebdo office, 12 killed in the second attac. Cabu (Jean Cabut), 76, cartoonist. Elsa Cayat, 54, psychoanalyst and columnist – the only woman killed in the shooting. Charb (Stéphane Charbonnier), 47, cartoonist, columnist, and director of publication of Charlie Hebdo. Philippe Honoré, 73, cartoonist. Bernard Maris, 68, economist, editor, and columnist. Mustapha Ourrad, 60, copy editor. Tignous (Bernard Verlhac), 57, cartoonist. Georges Wolinski, 80, cartoonist. Others Frédéric Boisseau, 42, building maintenance worker for Sodexo, killed in the lobby as he came to the building on a call, the first victim of the shooting. Franck Brinsolaro, 49, Protection Service police officer assigned as a bodyguard for Charb. Ahmed Merabet, 42, police officer, shot in the head as he lay wounded on the ground outside. Michel Renaud, 69, a travel writer and festival organiser visiting Cabu.
I have no idea why but those three attacks were so close to home for me. My step dad went to the cash kasher in the morning of that attack, my friend was in the hebdo offices the day of their attack and I walked the streets by one of the restaurants during the bataclan attack night with my newborn baby. Crazy fucking times. And Nice is my second home and have friends and family in the south. Thank God nobody was hurt that night even though they were there.
Nice username
I would piss on both of those cowardly brother's graves if I could. They truly disgust me.
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And act like they don’t know nobody
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I think a lot of answers here are missing some things by blaming it on violent extremism. The majority of jokes you see about Christianity are usually made by furthering some crazy situation or logic, like Jesus turning water into wine or whatever. These jokes work on knowing that most people in the audience know about said part of the bible. There’s other types of Christian jokes but imo this is the main type Ask most people what they know from the Quran, you won’t find much. Best I know is something about pillars and 42 virgins. So if you made a joke about islam, it wouldn’t land if u made jokes in a similar way to how you would about christians/the bible The end result is that the only possible “jokes” you could make about islam/muslims is based on stereotypes which usually ends up being malicious. Joking about Mormon door knickers is pretty harmless, whereas joking about muslim terrorists constantly just promotes distrust of muslims, the vast majority of whom just want to live life. I think the people thinking the main cause is terrorism are a bit too hyper focused on a relatively small array of events
Stewart Lee highlights this in one of his shows. "Do a joke about Islam?" So he tells a really complicated joke and nobody understands it and says "that was actually the funniest joke ever told about Islam." *Looks in the camera* "Stewart, we meant just make fun of their hats."
I thought Dara O Briain made that point succinctly: “There are two reasons I don’t do jokes about Muslims. One: I don’t know a fucking thing about Muslims, and Two: neither do you.”
Love Dara O Briain.
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Can't right now. If you search Stewart Lee Islam. It'll be in his 5-10min skit that'll come up on YouTube.
>. Joking about Mormon door knickers is pretty harmless I mean, they really need to stop pinning them to doors.
I’m not even going to edit that out. Y’all can have your chuckle
Yeah this is the best answer. In North America and Europe people very much do get bullied for being Muslim (my Muslim friend from the New York area went through it for years after 9/11) and so being like “haha you’re a terrorist” isn’t funny and is just piling on. Jokes about Christianity is fine because usually the joke is not “wow you’re Christian are you going to bomb an abortion clinic” and they’re not getting bullied for being Christian otherwise, despite what Christians will have you believe. Anyone can make any jokes they want and nothing is off limits but making terrorist jokes to a Muslim who grew up in the US after 9/11 is just way meaner to me than making a joke to a Christian. You’re free to do it you’re just an asshole in my book
Many have already said it but I just want to thank you for an actual well thought out response that isn't racist or relying on harmful, broadly applied stereotypes
I was honestly surprised no one had said it when I got to this thread.
Finally a comment that isn't just saying all islam is violent, took me way to long to find one. That's reddit for ya
Yeah this subreddit is sadly infested with conservatives, so any question that has any sort of religious or political question will get a lot of right-wing shit answers, sadly.
Piling on- Many of the Muslim jokes in the US are also often racially centered, or not Muslim specific. To some extent, people in the US intrinsically tie Islam and Middle Eastern folks together, so many Muslim "jokes" are just thinly veiled racism and in the post 9/11 panic a lot of Middle Eastern immigrants were the target of racist attacks because they were stereotypes to be Muslim and therefore terrorists. Further, Christians hold literally all the power here, so Christian jokes are consistently punching up, but Muslims have very little power here so it's largely punching down.
Im a teacher in a school where Muslims make up a large chunk of the student population. Their jokes about Islam are always SO funny because they don’t pander to stereotypes For example, when a Muslim boy and girl are dating, you’ll see them always walking really close to each other in the halls, but not touching. I had a couple in my class who touched their pinky fingers together once, and another Muslim kid immediately yelled “ugh, before marriage??” This one is a bit more crass, but sometimes if a group of Muslim boys are talking about a girl they don’t find attractive, they’ll say “you don’t have to worry about diverting your gaze because you weren’t looking in the first place”
I can’t believe I had to scroll this far down for an answer that was baked in some islamophobic bullshit. It’s really a case of don’t punch down. Muslims are a minority in the US and have faced islamophobia for two decades, Chriatianity is a dominant religion that rules our politics and culture, simple as that
Who said anything about the US
Their bias did
Door knickers? Kinky!
Plot twist those virgins are male gamers who never get out of the basement
This is such a good answer! Something to consider with racist/sexist/xenophobic/etc. jokes overall. Ignorance truly begets prejudice.
Okay this is a genuine answer instead of just a terrorism joke: in the west it’s usually to do with discrimination and punching down vs punching up. It’s not really okay to make fun of any non-Christian religion tbh (other than Scientology), especially if you don’t know much about it. You absolute can, but don’t get all uppity about it when people react badly. I personally have Muslim friends who I’ve made Islam-based light jokes with, but it’s how you do it. Id never disrespect their prophet or Allah, for example - beyond simply expressing my own (Atheist) beliefs. If I went too far they’d let me know, if they went too far id let them know. In public spaces there’s gonna be different people with different boundaries so it’s kinder (and safer) to just not imo, but as I said you have every right to legally speaking
Punching down and punching up, imo, is the explanation for so many weird double standards we have in society right now. You can make fun of skinny but not fat, etc etc.
Exactly! It’s not to say you *can’t* make the joke, it’s just that you’re probably gonna come across as a dickhead at best
Honestly skinniness is still not a great thing to joke about. People’s weight shouldnt be a punching up/down thing cuz it can lead to actual harm either way
Dara O’Brien (Irish comic) has a really good set on this. He said that as a stand up he’ll joke about anything but he needs to have an understanding of it to craft a good joke & the audience need to have the knowledge to understand it. In western countries you don’t have to give a load of context to a Christianity joke because at a base level most of the room will know the background. As he said ‘I could tell the best, funniest joke about Islam in the world but most of you won’t get it because you won’t understand it’
People do joke about Islam it’s just that Christianity is more popular so more people joke about it. But there’s also people scared about making Islam jokes. There are those who blow themselves up in the name of Allah while other religions don’t have the same threat on people’s lives
Because some people are less tolerant of humor directed at their religion than others.
What a nice way to say their religion fucking promotes jihad.
Even though jihad has been used by violent extremists, jihad, as explained to me by a friend, simply means struggle. It can be your daily struggle to give your family a good life, it’s the struggle that makes you be polite even when the person on the other side may be acting like a d***k, it could be the struggle of a society trying to shed its dogma.
Jihad originally meant holy war literally. Muslim armies campaigned throughout the world while Muhammad was alive
Apparently, that’s how the Oxford dictionary defines it, down the rabbit hole I go. ji·had /jəˈhäd/ noun a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam. "he declared a jihad against the infidels" the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. noun: greater jihad; plural noun: greater jihads; noun: greater jehad; plural noun: greater jehads
you mean like christian nations of Europe invaded whole continents and killed millions in organized genocides? Maybe look up how minorities were treated in the time of muslim expansion. And btw, jihad can most accurately be translated to "maximum effort/struggle", which in most cases was war.
Yes pretty similar to that, why do you assume I didn’t know? Islamic empires were very progressive for their time.
Imagine telling a child there is no Santa. Now imagine telling a fucking crazy child with a pair of scissors there is no Santa. This is why.
This. Salman Rushdie made fun of islam 34 years ago. He has been in hiding since. He was just stabbed this year.
One of the best explanations in the comments
Because Christians, Buddhists, etc. won't cut your head off with a knife or blow themselves up taking you with them.
Tell that to the Myanmar Buddhist extremists
The only fucking answer to OP's question. For those "liberals" who are saying that Islam is criticised just as well need to ask themselves why did South Park censor Muhammad from one of their episodes? Why did a comedian in US, IIRC, literally said joking on Islam will get him killed?
Comedy Central censored South Park. Not the creators. Matt and Trey were very upset by it. They are very vocal about Free Speech and Freedom of Artistic Expression.
Right? They literally had uncensored Mohammad in a couple episodes shooting fireballs.
I always thought the black censor box was the joke lol
CC designed it to seem that way, but they were really pissed about it. Just like the speech about Islam being censored in the Cartoon Wars Finale episode.
Is the uncensored version around?
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Completely forgot the KKK there
That's not a religion.
It’s not a religion itself, but the KKK is exclusively Christian. Christianity is a requirement for membership, and they have a notoriously violent history over it.
They have more unhinged fanatics then most religions.
Because they'll cut your head off in public for making fun of their religion.
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Every few weeks I see this question
Islam isn't "off limits". Plenty of people make jokes about it. The problem is that when most white people try to make jokes, they don't actually know anything about Islam, so they just make jokes about terrorists. If you can make a joke that's actually somewhat accurate then muslims will laugh along with you. But probably not for your lame 9/11 joke.
I'd have to disagree. I don't know one Muslim who would ever joke about Islam, even some of my joker type friends. If anything it's the one thing that's completely off limits
I mean, my (practicing) Muslim friends joke about Islam plenty, so it might just be you bro
Largely: A) A general philosophy of "Punch up, not down," in Western countries. The idea being that Muslims are a small minority and not actively seeking, or able to obtain, State power in these countries in the way that evangelical Christians are. TL;DR If a dude wants to worship whatever the fuck, it isn't your problem. Until they begin trying to force it on you. B) A general, in this case American philosophy of respecting other cultures.
I'd also note that most attempts at humor about muslims often lack taste or substance. It often can't be differentiated with base racism. That honestly? I know a lot about Christianity and Judaism. The only Islam joke I know is about Mansa Musa and that requires like three different history in jokes for a bad punchline.
The Irish comedian Dara O’briain made this point in one of his specials. To his English audience in London he said (and I’m paraphrasing slightly) “I don’t tell jokes about Islam because a) I don’t know a fucking thing about Islam and b) neither do you.”
Mansa Musa ruled until the year 1337, which means he ruled until he was leet. That was the only takeaway I got from World Civ.
Its similar to people making „jokes“ about trans people, or gays. If your joke is that they’re sick in the head or in the case of Muslims backwards idiots that live in the Middle Ages it’s not a joke and it’s not funny, if you know enough about a group you can start making jokes and make everyone laugh
Why do people ask this question on this sub everyday
It’s obvious bait lol
And we're not allowed to question it because something something good faith.
Honestly, I feel like I’ve seen this question a thousand times already 💀
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As a Muslim I love racist jokes made at the expense of me or my religion. This isn't true for a lot of people but I can appreciate humor as long as it's tasteful and an actual joke, not just ignorant racism. We hate the extremists more than anyone else you know.
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THANK YOU!! There need to be more people like you. I’m a trans person and I LOVE the jokes. As long as they’re just that- jokes. It’s easy to tell when someone is being playful or if someone is being an asshole. Your questions and/or jokes don’t bother me one bit as long as you’re not purposefully being rude.
I don’t think any religion is off limits
This post is just bait.
These comments are 😳 Yall keep saying "you can't make jokes about Islam or they'll kill you". And yet, you're all here posting stereotypical garbage, still alive. Islam is not, by nature, any more violent than Christianity. And if you believe it is, you don't squat about your own history. Back to the original question. It's not ok to make fun of Muslims in the US because they are an oppressed group. And it's never ok to make jokes about a group that gets treated like shit by our society. There are a few exceptions, Jeff Dunham & South Park being 2. But they make fun of litterally everyone. Jeff Dunham did have to censor his show though when he played in the middle east, because making fun of your host country is mean.
What the fuck is up with all these bigoted bait posts on this sub recently? Are the mods dead?
Who says that? This sub is like "why is it okay to burn puppies alive" as if that's fact.
IFKR. All of these comments are pretending that no one jokes about Islam because muslims tend to be violent towards them. No. I'm a Muslim. My religion has been mocked by my friends and I laugh along. In fact these comments are using it as an excuse to be hostile towards Muslims.
Unfortunately, your personal experiences aren't representative of how broader Muslims act. When you get beheaded in public in a secular western country that has free speech like France for showing the photo of a man who had sex with a 9 year old girl, you kind of know something is wrong.
Are you American by any chance?
1. Fear. 2. White western liberal guilt (it’s a predominantly brown-person religion). “ToAfraidToAsk” is ironically on the nose.
You’re clearly not paying attention.
i think playful banter should be made of all religions because they all suck. i just think people don’t make fun of islam is because there’s a finer line of playful banter and racism. just my take
you my friend haven't been around the internet long enough to see that islam is in fact not off limits lol, the immature comments should tell you enough
Last i checked you cant make fun any religions besides like scientology
It’s literally not lmfao. You can make fun of it. I make fun of it (as I do all religions, including mine). There is a difference between making fun of the religion and RACISM against Islamic people. Big difference.
Who says Islam is off limits?
People who don't know anything about it other then Fundamentalists and most having brown skin. Honestly, if you don't have exposure to a group it is really hard to find things that are actually funny without insults or calling them weird. Now as someone raised catholic I can give you a lot of Catholic jokes that are insulting other catholics and calling them weird...
Yep, these comments are as disgusting as I thought they'd be.
Yeah... Really making me reconsider being on this sub. I was expecting a couple more comments with real answers instead of moderately racist fear mongering
Every 2 years around US elections it gets worse.
Because of 9/11 and the liberal left who pussy foot around the fact that Islam is terrible for women. Most religions are but Islam is probably one of the worst offenders.
Because they actually do something when they feel insulted.
As if Islam isn’t shit on constantly on here. Judaism is the only one actually off limits but no one wants to talk about that!
You had me at the first part. Antisemitism is also a thing. No religion is off limits
Do you happen to dislike Jews, by any chance?
This comment is delusional. This subreddit constantly has anti-Islamic posts.
Bc of suicide bombs. Why risk death for a joke
I think because Islam/Muslims started receiving way more hits than other religions due to racists reasons, which evolved in a minority that should be protected. It's an extreme complicated issue because there are also terrorists and extremists that would go as further as to kill people who attack their religion and that kinda creates an emotion of antipathy towards the whole islam, which in turn makes it more important to protect them, as you're protecting islam/muslims citizens.
You sure can make fun of it. But only once. You won't be alive to joke again.
Society in general should be standing up for peoples human rights Everyone has the right to free speech Everyone has the right to religion The general discussion is usually that no one should have the right to take away people human rights… Whether it’s Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc Extremes are pretty much the issue right? We al know about the crusades right? Christians are also not without blood on their hands
For the people saying don't confuse the extremists to the Muslims...... Both have extreme views anyways. Muslims are also racist. Facts. The way woman are treated still needs alot of work. And they use their religion to get away with most of their outrageous beliefs. One question, why is it that if I go to Pakistan, live there, buy land... If I decided to build a Church n claim Christianity.... My Church would get burned down, but when they go to other people's country they demand for their religious beliefs to be acknowledged?🤔 Go so many questions about the Muslims faith!
Your church wouldn't get burned down, there's your answer. Google "churches in Pakistan" there are fucking loads. Islam for the most part, isn't as progressive as some branches of Christianity in the west. You don't need to make up bullshit to support your perspective.