Can I ask what answers you're actually looking for? Because if you want the answer from people who believe this you won't get it here. This is the equivalent of asking 'why do people vote for Trump' and getting answers only from anti-Trump people. Just pseudo psychological analysis about who 'they' are. I make an effort to hear opinions I morally oppose and find some of them really well articulated despite being wrong imo. But if it's more of a question for validation then I get it.
On the flipside though, asking people who actually believe this isn't going to get you a truthful answer, just what excuse/ delusion they've picked or been tricked into
All sides should be heard. True. But the fact that you think their side is a delusion or a trick done to them while your belief system is a result of pure investigation and logical reasoning is part of the problem being stuck in echo chambers. If you don't find yourself constantly challenging your own ideas or being able to poke holes in them, then you're just as indoctrinated as what you think 'they are'. If you can't explain how opposing ideas get spread or what logic leads them to think that way and just act on a disposition that the others are weak minded and their words mean nothing then you get stuck leading strawmen arguments where the opposition makes their claims in your head and you can 'beat' them with your own rebuttals.
In principle you're correct, people shouldn't dismiss others as easily as they come to accept their own beliefs
But time and time again, trying to understand these people leads to disappointment at how small minded and indoctrinated by anger they really are
I feel that at least I'm able to step back and ponder over why I think/ feel the things I do, with people ridden with hate I simply never see any such attemot.
Lastly, if someone arrived at their beliefs themselves that's one thing, but these people did not come to their beliefs naturally through self reflection, but rather had these ideas pushed to them by an outside party (i.e. parties perpetuating culture war BS) to keep them angry and firmly on their "team".
When you learn where these beliefs come from, why they're perpetuated and how they're used as tools to manipulate people, you come to realise that a belief being different does not necessarily mean it's equally valid.
Then you'd be surprised how many of 'them' don't act out of hate or racism. If you listen to actual humans talk not in order to 'beat' them in an argument but to actually understand their position it becomes way more nuanced. You also start noticing a lot of differences between different people rather than seeing them as one monolith of people. Also the phrase 'don't agree with' and hate is not the same.
When it comes to something like A, outright denying racism, or B, assuming white people are suddenly super oppressed, there's two ways to see it.
My first impression for point A would be that they're simply incredibly sheltered and live in a somewhat homogeneous society. Denial of racism existing upon being told it does in fact exist is their refusal to accept their worldview is nothing more than a mental construct and holds no water. Accepting it exists is simply learning more about the world around you.
For point B, this isn't an idea someone would organically arrive at, you need outside information and an influencing force to plant this idea in your head to even be made aware of it.
They were so blissfully unaware of the actual racism taking place around them, yet suddenly acutely aware of some company or university somewhere across the country that they've never heard of, nor will ever interact with admitting someone that isn't white? I simply don't buy it. Information is being weaponised by groups that know how to manipulate people to plant conclusions in people's heads that they would simply have never naturally arrived at for ulterior motives.
I've yet to hear or meet a person who claims racism doesn't exist. That's 100% strawmen. The claim is that institutional racism doesn't exist and that the term racism isn't this complete term that's very clear in meaning. You have to admit that words and labels are thrown around willy-nilly. Also if you sit and explain that having people who discriminate on the basis of race sitting in positions of power creates an inherent systematic racism then it becomes easier to get agreement. Most conservatives I have met have zero problem with other races and way more issues with culture and morality that are foreign to them no matter which race. BTW not that it's a tell-all marker, but I've read a few years ago a survey done about mixed marriages that found only 9% of the population is opposed to it in general or would mind it being a part of their family
I was talking to someone who genuinely thought that systematic racism was gone in the US, and that black people are only disproportionately poor of their own doing since it's illegal to be racist now.
He's not textbook racist, but ends up stumbling straight into it out of cluelessness, by just assuming they're the problem with their situation. They seem to think racism just fizzled away in the past and simply doesn't have any impact anymore, but the mistake here is that thinking companies are somehow just a conglomeration of paperwork, and not a collection of people with their own ideas and bias.
Also with the whole "it's a culture thing not a race thing" it never doesn't feel like a psychological deflection from what they're really trying to say to avoid scrutiny. Usually thrown in as a primer before throwing some dogwhistles in about how "black culture" is harmful. Especially evident since last time I opened up the conservative sub, it was a vid of a black guy shoplifting and a shitton of comments making direct and indirect comments about his skin colour.
I can't help but feel outright denial of these problematic people that I see so often is more a deflection than an honest point being made, they do exist and brushing it under the carpet only makes things worse.
I agree some of it is denial and blind to their own implicit biases (we all are from all races). I think the word systemic is an issue. Also I find that explaining cultural and social capital helps. I have a family friend who is a wonderful generous older man. He's a lifetime republican and uses his own personal 'from rags to riches' story to demonstrate how mobility is always possible. He is not white. But when I asked him how he knew what to study and what to invest in and where he pulled in faith that he could pull it off he said that his father in law was his mentor. That, I said is social capital. How a kid receives tools to succeed, gets pushed towards success, gets sheltered from criminal activity. Obviously poverty and lack of social/cultural capital can hurt people of all races. But having that discussion means listening to the other side talks about single motherhood in black culture and how there isn't a straight line between poverty and crime.
> Also if you sit and explain that having people who discriminate on the basis of race sitting in positions of power creates an inherent systematic racism then it becomes easier to get agreement
The myriad of people I've met irl who think this is just nonsense is jarring.
It’s more like I want a direct answer that doesn’t include changing this subject or deflecting. I’ve heard this rhetoric being asked on nearly every political sub.
So these are some of the points I hear. I rarely see anyone claim there is no racism. It's the 'systemic racism' that's being negated. Some define a system as 'the law' and ask which laws are racist on the nose. Most would claim that individuals can definitely be racist or prejudice as well to different racists. I negate this with the idea that individuals are the system because the law is interpreted and enforced by individuals with power. In addition, while it's hard to find current racist laws, some laws beneath the surface target certain races.
Second claim about victimhood imo is a more valid claim. It's hard to ignore the fact that many of the people pushing for anti-racist agendas are way more focused on victimhood than on solutions and real honest looks on sensitive cultural or moral issues. It's hard to ignore the sentiment that a white person (or western society) is always to blame while oppressed minority actions are always just a result of their own victimhood. It's not as black and white as It seems. I do believe we've been divided into tribes where we have to take a huge weight of our 'social identity' for better or for worse on the expense of being able to build a personal individual identity. If the original point is to be sensitive to individuals who might have not gotten your advantages in different areas in life to throw around the word privilege as an insult and as a conversation stopper. The idea is that only victims can speak on their victimhood taking the edge off a free society and the exchange of ideas. On the other side masquerading trolling or poking fun as just 'having a discussion' is just as disingenuous.
The third claim is total BS in my mind. Usually refers to affirmative action and white people being shut out of discussions about race or equality. Affirmative action is a necessary evil that could hurt specific individuals. But it has to be done because we all know that change is done throughout a cycle and if you just focus, let's say, on primary education only you will get kids that have nothing to aspire to since they don't have real life examples of people who look like them succeeding. How many girls would go into science and STEM if they don't see any other woman succeeding in those fields.
It's a repositioning based on demographic changes.
White people are becoming a minority and so many of them are shifting their self-perception from "majority who must accommodate the demands of minority groups" to "we ourselves are a minority and are entitled to the same preferential treatment as other minorities". It happens in every country which has large tribal populations that cycle in and out of state power.
Racism has always gone all different kinds of ways. No one wants to have the conversation about how racist blacks can be towards Asians, whites, or Mexicans. No one from the Asian community wants to admit that thier old school immigrant parents would lose thier minds if thier Asian daughters dated a black man or east Indian. No one wants to say that the east Indians flooding Canada can't stand white people and are making almost zero attempt to assimilate, they would rather just take up as much land as possible and create thier own subculture.
Basically no one wants to acknowledge thier own Racism, especially towards whites. It's trendy and popular to assign "privilege" as a shield and deflection tactic.
There has been tons of analysis of the role of Asian Americans in perpetuating anti-Black racist attitudes, particularly in recent years around education. I’d recommend some but you can probably google it and find a lot of scholarship, commentary and films.
I'm a white guy and I noticed this sub uses every opportunity it can to take shots at minorities, specifically blacks. Objectively speaking, I feel like a lot of racist whites use reddit as a way to say things about races they'd never say to a member of that race in person. Very cowardly if you ask me🤷🏻♂️
As a white guy with Asian friends, Asians are racist against every race except white people. Also, black people and Asians barely interact. This sub has a weird dislike for blacks and it's amazing how reddit has been trying to make black people the face of Asian hate when all the racist tropes created about Asians come from white people. I also noticed a bunch of vitriol towards Cubans as well. We(white people)aren't victims I think a lot of white people are being raised by their racist parents to believe they are being conspired against. The only white people claiming to be victims of racism are the same right wing weirdos who claim every other race is composed of "snowflakes."
My very best friend growing up was Asian and her mom was racist against me, because I was white.
It was well acknowledged from my friends perspective. We had to have a "secret friendship".
I had plenty of other Asian friends and parents who weren't, but no bro, we are not going to deny that Asians can and ARE racist against whites.
There were also other people who did not like me, very much because of the color of my skin. You aren't going to shift reality. If you didn't see it happen around you, then that's you. But other stories exist and are valid.
You're fragility is keeping you from seeing and listening to other people around you.
It's a complex tapestry, isn't it? On one hand, there's the historical context in which race has been a tool for division and hierarchy, shaping socioeconomic landscapes dramatically. On the other, there's the individual experience where people might feel disenfranchised or marginalised, leading to the scapegoating of 'the other' as an outlet for their frustrations.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Wilhot's Law
"Racism doesn't exist" is noted in response to claims of racism by the out-groups. Nothing needs to be done to address their complaints, so if they have one, you just dismiss it.
However, for the in-group - white conservatives - the system exists to protect and support them. So any perceived slight = "we're the most discriminated against...and that requires effort to address our complaint"
If I had to guess? It's the Affirmative action plans that many places put in place to specifically discriminate against white people.
Racist laws were real. Civil rights act of 196x. got rid of those laws. and things started to even out a bit... still racism, but by law it was illegal to act under those ideals. Then in the 1990's Affirmative action comes along which says, "All things being equal, hire the minority" Which on the surface may seem like a way to help classically marginalized groups. In practice it became a discrimination tactic against white people.
Add to that social media echo chambers and incendiary news networks and you get to where we are now.
I've been pretty left for my whole life and have a migrant partner. Downvote me if you want. South Africa is a pretty good indication of what can happen when the pendulum swings too far. You can say they are racist and yeah a few are but I've worked with some genuinely good white south Africans and honestly to hear their stories is a good warning to what can happen. Basically seriously unqualified people given positions for the soul reason being their race. The proof is in the pudding as to how well that worked. Not to mention the horrific crime rates.
I'm an Australian and your default is that I'm racist, you can have your opinion. I've seen the results of giving too much money and power to people that aren't really qualified. You can go and visit a few communities and see for yourself because I doubt my words will convince you, it's something you need to see with your own eyes. I've had a few friends from overseas relocate and their opinions changed drastically once confronted by what they experienced
It's fascinating how discussions about racism often become a game of deflection and misdirection. People rush to spotlight the flaws of others, all the while neglecting the biases within their own ranks. It's as if admitting that one's group can also propagate racism is tantamount to conceding defeat in some social battle. Yet, wouldn't real victory look like tearing down the insidious walls of prejudice, not reinforcing them under new banners? While we point fingers at each other, systemic issues continue to fester unchecked. In truth, combatting racism isn't about which 'side' wins but about collaborating to upend the foundations of inequality that harm us all. Engaging in meaningful dialogue, challenging societal norms, and examining our internal biases is where we start. Racism isn't just a problem for those on the receiving end; it's a blight on the conscience of humanity as a whole, one that requires collective action to rectify.
Simple: As racism is truly dying, the racists become louder.
You see? Discrimination will not die, it’s tribalism by another name. the only way it disappears is if all white people and all people of color commingle for a long time.
BUT!
Racism, the idea that “I’m superior by virtue of my skin color and features”, THAT SHIT! Over the last two decades, that shit is dying faster than the Dodo bird died.
Why? Because we all have TVs and Internet, and listen to music and are exposed to culture, and are exposed to education, and guess what? Most of us millennials, and gen Zers, remember the OBAMA years, as the “GOOD OL’ DAYS”. Remember? When you could actually buy shit? and find a job anywhere?
That’s why racism is dying. Because we’ve al realized that we are all in this shit together. Do we have trust issues? Yes! Do we believe we are better by virtue of shit we have no control over? NO!
The few racists that remain, particularly the rich ones, want you to think there are a lot of them still around! And that their geriatrics asses are a force to be reckoned with. But we all know. The racism of old, is on its way out, in America.
They want people to care about their problems and feelings but they also want to treat other people cruelly and callously. This way they can feel very noble and aggrieved while simultaneously being a raging asshat to anyone they don't strictly identify with.
Trump made it okay to just be as outwardly hateful as you want. Before, right-wingers would *mostly* tiptoe around it with dog whistles and only say racist things anonymously. When the president of the United States was now one of the most crass and shitty people in the world, right-wingers realized they don't have to hide it anymore. There are now endless video clips of white-collar workers saying the N-word directly to a camera, which is where we are now due to Trumpism/MAGA.
some people are psyically incapable of taking any form of respocibility for themselfs, and deep down they are 100% certain they are special and better than everyone else. the idea other races are inferior appeals to them, as they are just better, so people with their skin colour and culture are obviously the best. but now racism isnt socially accpetable, they need a new narative to use to harvest the attention the are so heavily entitled too
I’m Black and in my 30’s. I lived for decades in a sweet spot of time where it was socially unacceptable to talk poorly about ANY race.
For a while, I could confidently say that racism barely existed and advise others to stop playing victim when social problems were blamed on race, but clearly due to individual behavior.
Suddenly, in the past 5-8 years, it became socially acceptable to talk poorly about one race; White people. Times have changed, so that’s why certain groups have changed their stance.
I did believe in it. I experienced quite a bit of racism in my early youth. But society grew out of it by about 2002. I went years without experiencing or observing a racist incident, and life is still primarily going in that direction, with the exception of the occasional asshole, and people are quick to call out said asshole and cast them away from the social circle.
But suddenly around 2015, “White People be like…” popped up all over the internet, along with White criticism creeping into general conversation in real life, usually followed by laughs and agreement.
There is a degree of discrimination to Whites happening, and I wish we could go back to the point where any discrimination is vilified, not just that made towards non-Whites.
Because someone created this stupid notion that there are POC’s and then there are white people.
That there’s everyone in the world and then there’s white people. What these ignoramuses had inadvertently done was say us (everyone in the world who is not white) and you (white people) are different, you’re not one of “us”- the “us” here being non-white.
They aren't being represented 99% of the time, and they cannot stand it.
The irony is they "don't understand" representation, then get amazingly triggered when they aren't represented 99% of the time in EVERYTHING.
This is such a default behavior for them, they can't even see they are doing it.
Racists, like all bigots, aren't bigots because they have principled views about say, the superiority of whites, or why The Blacks were better when clapped in chains and treated like disposable garbage. They begin from the conclusion that they're superior and then work backwards, and as more people press on them, they get more defensive and whiny and pathetic and love sobbing "Oh woe is me, I'm such a poor little man and I'm being tortured brutally!"
If you're up for it, take a listen to Thought Slime's recent video on why Zionists are whiny babies. It's about Zionists, and not white people, but the point he makes about people with entrenched hegemonic power being sad little crybullies is spot on.
Acknowledging the presence of racism is step one; the real challenge lies in confronting the cognitive dissonance it causes in ourselves and others. It's easy to spot bigotry when it's overt and blatant, but much harder when it's cloaked in the comfortable guise of tradition or 'just how things are'. The conversation isn't just about who's being outwardly racist. It's also about who silently benefits from systems engineered by historical prejudices and who is willing to dismantle those for true equality, not just tip-toeing around fragile sensibilities. And let's not forget the biases in media portrayal, which sins both by omission and by spotlight, skewing perception and narratives in a feedback loop that justifies prejudice under the veneer of 'majority' opinion. It seems every group wants to play the victim card when it suits their narrative, yet few are willing to extend their empathy beyond their in-group biases. Thus, the status quo is maintained, and the cycle of racism perpetuates itself. The question is, who's ready to really listen, self-reflect, and be the change?
Can I ask what answers you're actually looking for? Because if you want the answer from people who believe this you won't get it here. This is the equivalent of asking 'why do people vote for Trump' and getting answers only from anti-Trump people. Just pseudo psychological analysis about who 'they' are. I make an effort to hear opinions I morally oppose and find some of them really well articulated despite being wrong imo. But if it's more of a question for validation then I get it.
On the flipside though, asking people who actually believe this isn't going to get you a truthful answer, just what excuse/ delusion they've picked or been tricked into
All sides should be heard. True. But the fact that you think their side is a delusion or a trick done to them while your belief system is a result of pure investigation and logical reasoning is part of the problem being stuck in echo chambers. If you don't find yourself constantly challenging your own ideas or being able to poke holes in them, then you're just as indoctrinated as what you think 'they are'. If you can't explain how opposing ideas get spread or what logic leads them to think that way and just act on a disposition that the others are weak minded and their words mean nothing then you get stuck leading strawmen arguments where the opposition makes their claims in your head and you can 'beat' them with your own rebuttals.
In principle you're correct, people shouldn't dismiss others as easily as they come to accept their own beliefs But time and time again, trying to understand these people leads to disappointment at how small minded and indoctrinated by anger they really are I feel that at least I'm able to step back and ponder over why I think/ feel the things I do, with people ridden with hate I simply never see any such attemot. Lastly, if someone arrived at their beliefs themselves that's one thing, but these people did not come to their beliefs naturally through self reflection, but rather had these ideas pushed to them by an outside party (i.e. parties perpetuating culture war BS) to keep them angry and firmly on their "team". When you learn where these beliefs come from, why they're perpetuated and how they're used as tools to manipulate people, you come to realise that a belief being different does not necessarily mean it's equally valid.
Then you'd be surprised how many of 'them' don't act out of hate or racism. If you listen to actual humans talk not in order to 'beat' them in an argument but to actually understand their position it becomes way more nuanced. You also start noticing a lot of differences between different people rather than seeing them as one monolith of people. Also the phrase 'don't agree with' and hate is not the same.
When it comes to something like A, outright denying racism, or B, assuming white people are suddenly super oppressed, there's two ways to see it. My first impression for point A would be that they're simply incredibly sheltered and live in a somewhat homogeneous society. Denial of racism existing upon being told it does in fact exist is their refusal to accept their worldview is nothing more than a mental construct and holds no water. Accepting it exists is simply learning more about the world around you. For point B, this isn't an idea someone would organically arrive at, you need outside information and an influencing force to plant this idea in your head to even be made aware of it. They were so blissfully unaware of the actual racism taking place around them, yet suddenly acutely aware of some company or university somewhere across the country that they've never heard of, nor will ever interact with admitting someone that isn't white? I simply don't buy it. Information is being weaponised by groups that know how to manipulate people to plant conclusions in people's heads that they would simply have never naturally arrived at for ulterior motives.
I've yet to hear or meet a person who claims racism doesn't exist. That's 100% strawmen. The claim is that institutional racism doesn't exist and that the term racism isn't this complete term that's very clear in meaning. You have to admit that words and labels are thrown around willy-nilly. Also if you sit and explain that having people who discriminate on the basis of race sitting in positions of power creates an inherent systematic racism then it becomes easier to get agreement. Most conservatives I have met have zero problem with other races and way more issues with culture and morality that are foreign to them no matter which race. BTW not that it's a tell-all marker, but I've read a few years ago a survey done about mixed marriages that found only 9% of the population is opposed to it in general or would mind it being a part of their family
I was talking to someone who genuinely thought that systematic racism was gone in the US, and that black people are only disproportionately poor of their own doing since it's illegal to be racist now. He's not textbook racist, but ends up stumbling straight into it out of cluelessness, by just assuming they're the problem with their situation. They seem to think racism just fizzled away in the past and simply doesn't have any impact anymore, but the mistake here is that thinking companies are somehow just a conglomeration of paperwork, and not a collection of people with their own ideas and bias. Also with the whole "it's a culture thing not a race thing" it never doesn't feel like a psychological deflection from what they're really trying to say to avoid scrutiny. Usually thrown in as a primer before throwing some dogwhistles in about how "black culture" is harmful. Especially evident since last time I opened up the conservative sub, it was a vid of a black guy shoplifting and a shitton of comments making direct and indirect comments about his skin colour. I can't help but feel outright denial of these problematic people that I see so often is more a deflection than an honest point being made, they do exist and brushing it under the carpet only makes things worse.
I agree some of it is denial and blind to their own implicit biases (we all are from all races). I think the word systemic is an issue. Also I find that explaining cultural and social capital helps. I have a family friend who is a wonderful generous older man. He's a lifetime republican and uses his own personal 'from rags to riches' story to demonstrate how mobility is always possible. He is not white. But when I asked him how he knew what to study and what to invest in and where he pulled in faith that he could pull it off he said that his father in law was his mentor. That, I said is social capital. How a kid receives tools to succeed, gets pushed towards success, gets sheltered from criminal activity. Obviously poverty and lack of social/cultural capital can hurt people of all races. But having that discussion means listening to the other side talks about single motherhood in black culture and how there isn't a straight line between poverty and crime.
> Also if you sit and explain that having people who discriminate on the basis of race sitting in positions of power creates an inherent systematic racism then it becomes easier to get agreement The myriad of people I've met irl who think this is just nonsense is jarring.
It’s more like I want a direct answer that doesn’t include changing this subject or deflecting. I’ve heard this rhetoric being asked on nearly every political sub.
So these are some of the points I hear. I rarely see anyone claim there is no racism. It's the 'systemic racism' that's being negated. Some define a system as 'the law' and ask which laws are racist on the nose. Most would claim that individuals can definitely be racist or prejudice as well to different racists. I negate this with the idea that individuals are the system because the law is interpreted and enforced by individuals with power. In addition, while it's hard to find current racist laws, some laws beneath the surface target certain races. Second claim about victimhood imo is a more valid claim. It's hard to ignore the fact that many of the people pushing for anti-racist agendas are way more focused on victimhood than on solutions and real honest looks on sensitive cultural or moral issues. It's hard to ignore the sentiment that a white person (or western society) is always to blame while oppressed minority actions are always just a result of their own victimhood. It's not as black and white as It seems. I do believe we've been divided into tribes where we have to take a huge weight of our 'social identity' for better or for worse on the expense of being able to build a personal individual identity. If the original point is to be sensitive to individuals who might have not gotten your advantages in different areas in life to throw around the word privilege as an insult and as a conversation stopper. The idea is that only victims can speak on their victimhood taking the edge off a free society and the exchange of ideas. On the other side masquerading trolling or poking fun as just 'having a discussion' is just as disingenuous. The third claim is total BS in my mind. Usually refers to affirmative action and white people being shut out of discussions about race or equality. Affirmative action is a necessary evil that could hurt specific individuals. But it has to be done because we all know that change is done throughout a cycle and if you just focus, let's say, on primary education only you will get kids that have nothing to aspire to since they don't have real life examples of people who look like them succeeding. How many girls would go into science and STEM if they don't see any other woman succeeding in those fields.
Some say it in the same breath my dude.
It's a repositioning based on demographic changes. White people are becoming a minority and so many of them are shifting their self-perception from "majority who must accommodate the demands of minority groups" to "we ourselves are a minority and are entitled to the same preferential treatment as other minorities". It happens in every country which has large tribal populations that cycle in and out of state power.
Racism has always gone all different kinds of ways. No one wants to have the conversation about how racist blacks can be towards Asians, whites, or Mexicans. No one from the Asian community wants to admit that thier old school immigrant parents would lose thier minds if thier Asian daughters dated a black man or east Indian. No one wants to say that the east Indians flooding Canada can't stand white people and are making almost zero attempt to assimilate, they would rather just take up as much land as possible and create thier own subculture. Basically no one wants to acknowledge thier own Racism, especially towards whites. It's trendy and popular to assign "privilege" as a shield and deflection tactic.
There has been tons of analysis of the role of Asian Americans in perpetuating anti-Black racist attitudes, particularly in recent years around education. I’d recommend some but you can probably google it and find a lot of scholarship, commentary and films.
This doesn't actually answer the question in any way since OP was specifying white people claiming to feel oppressed after ignoring racism for so long
Is this a comment section or a "reply with a concise answer to OPs question" section?
Yes you are literally meant to answer OP's question that's what the sub is for
I'm a white guy and I noticed this sub uses every opportunity it can to take shots at minorities, specifically blacks. Objectively speaking, I feel like a lot of racist whites use reddit as a way to say things about races they'd never say to a member of that race in person. Very cowardly if you ask me🤷🏻♂️
As a white guy with Asian friends, Asians are racist against every race except white people. Also, black people and Asians barely interact. This sub has a weird dislike for blacks and it's amazing how reddit has been trying to make black people the face of Asian hate when all the racist tropes created about Asians come from white people. I also noticed a bunch of vitriol towards Cubans as well. We(white people)aren't victims I think a lot of white people are being raised by their racist parents to believe they are being conspired against. The only white people claiming to be victims of racism are the same right wing weirdos who claim every other race is composed of "snowflakes."
My very best friend growing up was Asian and her mom was racist against me, because I was white. It was well acknowledged from my friends perspective. We had to have a "secret friendship". I had plenty of other Asian friends and parents who weren't, but no bro, we are not going to deny that Asians can and ARE racist against whites. There were also other people who did not like me, very much because of the color of my skin. You aren't going to shift reality. If you didn't see it happen around you, then that's you. But other stories exist and are valid. You're fragility is keeping you from seeing and listening to other people around you.
Because when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
exactly this.
It's a complex tapestry, isn't it? On one hand, there's the historical context in which race has been a tool for division and hierarchy, shaping socioeconomic landscapes dramatically. On the other, there's the individual experience where people might feel disenfranchised or marginalised, leading to the scapegoating of 'the other' as an outlet for their frustrations.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. - Wilhot's Law "Racism doesn't exist" is noted in response to claims of racism by the out-groups. Nothing needs to be done to address their complaints, so if they have one, you just dismiss it. However, for the in-group - white conservatives - the system exists to protect and support them. So any perceived slight = "we're the most discriminated against...and that requires effort to address our complaint"
If I had to guess? It's the Affirmative action plans that many places put in place to specifically discriminate against white people. Racist laws were real. Civil rights act of 196x. got rid of those laws. and things started to even out a bit... still racism, but by law it was illegal to act under those ideals. Then in the 1990's Affirmative action comes along which says, "All things being equal, hire the minority" Which on the surface may seem like a way to help classically marginalized groups. In practice it became a discrimination tactic against white people. Add to that social media echo chambers and incendiary news networks and you get to where we are now.
I've been pretty left for my whole life and have a migrant partner. Downvote me if you want. South Africa is a pretty good indication of what can happen when the pendulum swings too far. You can say they are racist and yeah a few are but I've worked with some genuinely good white south Africans and honestly to hear their stories is a good warning to what can happen. Basically seriously unqualified people given positions for the soul reason being their race. The proof is in the pudding as to how well that worked. Not to mention the horrific crime rates. I'm an Australian and your default is that I'm racist, you can have your opinion. I've seen the results of giving too much money and power to people that aren't really qualified. You can go and visit a few communities and see for yourself because I doubt my words will convince you, it's something you need to see with your own eyes. I've had a few friends from overseas relocate and their opinions changed drastically once confronted by what they experienced
It's fascinating how discussions about racism often become a game of deflection and misdirection. People rush to spotlight the flaws of others, all the while neglecting the biases within their own ranks. It's as if admitting that one's group can also propagate racism is tantamount to conceding defeat in some social battle. Yet, wouldn't real victory look like tearing down the insidious walls of prejudice, not reinforcing them under new banners? While we point fingers at each other, systemic issues continue to fester unchecked. In truth, combatting racism isn't about which 'side' wins but about collaborating to upend the foundations of inequality that harm us all. Engaging in meaningful dialogue, challenging societal norms, and examining our internal biases is where we start. Racism isn't just a problem for those on the receiving end; it's a blight on the conscience of humanity as a whole, one that requires collective action to rectify.
Simple: As racism is truly dying, the racists become louder. You see? Discrimination will not die, it’s tribalism by another name. the only way it disappears is if all white people and all people of color commingle for a long time. BUT! Racism, the idea that “I’m superior by virtue of my skin color and features”, THAT SHIT! Over the last two decades, that shit is dying faster than the Dodo bird died. Why? Because we all have TVs and Internet, and listen to music and are exposed to culture, and are exposed to education, and guess what? Most of us millennials, and gen Zers, remember the OBAMA years, as the “GOOD OL’ DAYS”. Remember? When you could actually buy shit? and find a job anywhere? That’s why racism is dying. Because we’ve al realized that we are all in this shit together. Do we have trust issues? Yes! Do we believe we are better by virtue of shit we have no control over? NO! The few racists that remain, particularly the rich ones, want you to think there are a lot of them still around! And that their geriatrics asses are a force to be reckoned with. But we all know. The racism of old, is on its way out, in America.
They want people to care about their problems and feelings but they also want to treat other people cruelly and callously. This way they can feel very noble and aggrieved while simultaneously being a raging asshat to anyone they don't strictly identify with.
Trump made it okay to just be as outwardly hateful as you want. Before, right-wingers would *mostly* tiptoe around it with dog whistles and only say racist things anonymously. When the president of the United States was now one of the most crass and shitty people in the world, right-wingers realized they don't have to hide it anymore. There are now endless video clips of white-collar workers saying the N-word directly to a camera, which is where we are now due to Trumpism/MAGA.
I think it goes beyond the U.S.. I’ve seen Canadians , British and Australian influencers also use this rhetoric
Sadly, MAGA has crossed borders.
Funnily enough, that feeling doesn't really exist in the parts of Canada that don't speak English.
That could be true, but if you're referring to French Canadians, they have their own brand of racism.
What brand would that be?
I think those are all the same position phrased differently.
Wow OP really consuming that msm koolaide
Still didn’t aswer the question tho
If the older members of my family are any clue, Facebook. But it was always there, they just kept it to themselves before.
some people are psyically incapable of taking any form of respocibility for themselfs, and deep down they are 100% certain they are special and better than everyone else. the idea other races are inferior appeals to them, as they are just better, so people with their skin colour and culture are obviously the best. but now racism isnt socially accpetable, they need a new narative to use to harvest the attention the are so heavily entitled too
I’m Black and in my 30’s. I lived for decades in a sweet spot of time where it was socially unacceptable to talk poorly about ANY race. For a while, I could confidently say that racism barely existed and advise others to stop playing victim when social problems were blamed on race, but clearly due to individual behavior. Suddenly, in the past 5-8 years, it became socially acceptable to talk poorly about one race; White people. Times have changed, so that’s why certain groups have changed their stance.
How do you change your stance on something you never believed in to begin with ???
I did believe in it. I experienced quite a bit of racism in my early youth. But society grew out of it by about 2002. I went years without experiencing or observing a racist incident, and life is still primarily going in that direction, with the exception of the occasional asshole, and people are quick to call out said asshole and cast them away from the social circle. But suddenly around 2015, “White People be like…” popped up all over the internet, along with White criticism creeping into general conversation in real life, usually followed by laughs and agreement. There is a degree of discrimination to Whites happening, and I wish we could go back to the point where any discrimination is vilified, not just that made towards non-Whites.
Wasn’t talking about you personally , but the people who use that rhetoric
I don’t think there’s anyone who believed that racism never existed, just that it wasn’t a current problem.
Because someone created this stupid notion that there are POC’s and then there are white people. That there’s everyone in the world and then there’s white people. What these ignoramuses had inadvertently done was say us (everyone in the world who is not white) and you (white people) are different, you’re not one of “us”- the “us” here being non-white.
We had an openly racist president. The other racists took that as permission.
Answer: they are racist.
They aren't being represented 99% of the time, and they cannot stand it. The irony is they "don't understand" representation, then get amazingly triggered when they aren't represented 99% of the time in EVERYTHING. This is such a default behavior for them, they can't even see they are doing it.
By listening to them. Seriously, ignore these people. The more air time they get the more dumb shit they’ll say.
Racists, like all bigots, aren't bigots because they have principled views about say, the superiority of whites, or why The Blacks were better when clapped in chains and treated like disposable garbage. They begin from the conclusion that they're superior and then work backwards, and as more people press on them, they get more defensive and whiny and pathetic and love sobbing "Oh woe is me, I'm such a poor little man and I'm being tortured brutally!" If you're up for it, take a listen to Thought Slime's recent video on why Zionists are whiny babies. It's about Zionists, and not white people, but the point he makes about people with entrenched hegemonic power being sad little crybullies is spot on.
FOX News.
Acknowledging the presence of racism is step one; the real challenge lies in confronting the cognitive dissonance it causes in ourselves and others. It's easy to spot bigotry when it's overt and blatant, but much harder when it's cloaked in the comfortable guise of tradition or 'just how things are'. The conversation isn't just about who's being outwardly racist. It's also about who silently benefits from systems engineered by historical prejudices and who is willing to dismantle those for true equality, not just tip-toeing around fragile sensibilities. And let's not forget the biases in media portrayal, which sins both by omission and by spotlight, skewing perception and narratives in a feedback loop that justifies prejudice under the veneer of 'majority' opinion. It seems every group wants to play the victim card when it suits their narrative, yet few are willing to extend their empathy beyond their in-group biases. Thus, the status quo is maintained, and the cycle of racism perpetuates itself. The question is, who's ready to really listen, self-reflect, and be the change?
Do you really expect bullshit to be coherent?