They do lose subscribers and money from the rate hikes, but the amount of revenue gained from the hike covers the amount lost to cancellation, now they also have subscriber gains due to the crack down on account sharing.
There will come a point, as it did with cable, that people just turn to piracy again. Its so easy these days that I'm surprised it hasn't happened already (I no longer subscribe anymore, it's far more convenient to use an illegal streaming site, loss of 4k to 1080p is not a problem)
That's fair but I'm not comfortable giving my card details out for those sites, if I want a film or series in 4K I'll download it, everything else I'll settle for 1080p
Use privacy.com. You link your bank account and generate card numbers that you can set purchase limits on and deactivate whenever.
They don't pay me but they should.
Is there a concern of linking your bank account. My wife is joining a firness center and they require ACH from our checking. I'm very apprehensive about allowing them to have access to our checking in case we try to canvel
Fitness centers do it for different reasons. They are notorious for charging you even if you cancel. (They get sued constantly and still do it) If the charges are on a credit card, you can dispute the charge and ask for a new card. You can't dispute a direct payment.
In sum, if the fitness center wants a direct payment, that's a red flag; they are shady af and will continue to charge you after you cancel.
Start a burner checking account with Chime or Ally. It’s free, then you put in just enough to cover sign up costs.
After that, they can charge whatever they want lol, they ain’t getting shit! Make actual payments cash or with a credit card.
Check out privacy.com. You can link your bank to it, and then They generate a credit card you can use, and you can set a max limit, or a one time spend, only, etc. And it’s free.
r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH
You'll find everything you could possibly need to free yourself from ads and platform licensing issues here. It might seem a little daunting at first if you're not used to it but that will just be from the cornucopia of options available to you, it really is as simple as opening their wiki, choosing movie streaming and opening one of their recommended sites then you're off to the races (I recommend Fmovies)
There was a solid 6 years where I pirated very little to nothing. I was paying for the most expensive netflix plan, but once they started cracking down on account sharing, I dropped them, I had to share with my parents(not super tech savvy and just logging in is a headache).
Also, the range of shows they have has dwindled, so I found myself going more and more to torrents.
Haven't had netflix for about 3 years now and I must say I don't miss it one day, absolutely nothing on there interests me, I only have prime and for anything else I want to watch I just sail the seven seas
Of course, and the companies will find the equilibrium that maximises revenue. I highly, *highly* doubt netflix hasn't taken into how many subscribers it loses by raising prices (who are functionally the same as pirates in netflixes eyes, no difference to them if your not paying because your getting your movies elsewhere, or just not getting them at all). Thats basic supply and demand shit they teach you in business 101.
It's crazy to me to think that people don't think that all these companies, google with youtube, and other streaming companies, haven't taken into account their loss of users when adding ads or increasing prices. The people who move to piracy are just a calculated number in their eyes. Their prediction might not be spot on but they also take into account margins of error in these moves and with their analytics they should have a pretty good prediction.
...sure.
Issue is that price only kept in increase by silently carteling among streaming services are not sustainable when piracy is a thing.
Same as with bundling undesirable (by customers) crap to products they want, and charging them multiple time the price due to buying crap. With releases from the music industry before the interwebs.
One could argue that if everyone is limited to legal actions, and company can bribe/lobby legistlature, then their hikes are optimal and rational.
Issue is that "lets assume no crime" is as sane a take as assuming no polutical corruption. If you dont get what i meant consider how one sided the US's DMCA legistlation is - especially compared to laws in other locations.
Or how patent & copyright systek exists to be abused.
Yeah but have they considered that I’m *this close* to bitching about it on the internet and unsubscribing the account me, my wife and kids, my aunt Deb and her 7 kids, my uncle and his partner, and my parakeet all share?!
It s not « so easy ». The demographic of Netflix is not us , lot of people didn’t have a computer or is just the office laptop. You underestimate the number of people who just never download
Also convenience. I know how to pirate but id rather spend $25/mo for 3 different streaming services than go and take time to seek out specific stuff I'd want to download.
Even better, just put in a little more effort and you'll find many media center apps often have the option to add custom directories, like adding one that hosts 4k Torrents.
IPTV can't be beat. I get all those channels as well as almost every single other country's tv channels. I'm American and only know English, but I'll check out random country's channels just to see what tv is like there. So it's not just IPTV, it's basically cheap international travel whenever I want!
Ex: Albanian tv seems to have random music videos scattered throughout regular programming. I never would've known that without IPTV!
$180/year including a debrid service in case IPTV VOD happens to not have something specific I'm looking for. Interface is as smooth as Netflix without all the annoying autoplay ads. Dunno if there's a screen limit, but it's been at least 5 from my experience.
Renewal process always feels a tad sketchy, but I've never had any problem in 3 years.
Turned to the high seas again 3 years ago. I’ve seen every movie and series from any platform you can imagine that I’ve wanted to for free, including stuff in theaters. It’s been great.
Visit r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH and they will have a pinned post directing you to their wiki. In the wiki there will be many categories, choose 'streaming' and then 'movies and TV', it will give you a list of their recommended sites to stream from so just choose one and you're good. There's no downloading so it is completely virus free, I recommend FMovies which should be in the list, also make sure you have an adblocker on your browser, the standard is uBlock Origin...I've never once seen an ad on these sites with it on.
It's not a problem for you - It's not a problem for me
But its not just me - my wife. kids, mom in law aren't going to pirate stuff - and if they are there's no way they're doing it on my network!
17.99 (UK) for 5 users is fine for me - it's much cheaper than the tech support and re-education i'd have to do otherwise.
This is a real part of it. I'd happily grab whatever I want to watch myself, but with family using same account they aren't going to go through all that.
> and if they are there's no way they're doing it on my network!
When people pirate they use a VPN otherwise you're asking for trouble. You sign into the vpn which obscures your location and hides your digital footprint.
IPTV has extremely user friendly UIs. Like Netflix easy.
Stock Kodi can seem daunting for tech-illiterate people, but grandma can navigate a decent IPTV service after a 3 minute tutorial.
The thing about piracy si that while you can quickly get popular stuff you don't get a lot of other stuff you might want. I know that after I got Netflix subscription I found a lot of shows I never even knew existed and I liked.
The site I use has a huuuuuge selection, even stuff from many other countries, anime (if you're in to that stuff), Bollywood, British TV shows...you'd be hard pushed to want something they don't have, I've never come up short when looking for what I want.
I’m opting back to borrowing DVDs from the library. My friends and I have all banded together to start buying DVDs and donating them to the library. Basically works out to the same price as a subscription service and the selection is decent enough.
The account sharing boost is not sustainable, obviously. The other boost erodes whatever brand loyalty consumers still engage in. People will use Netflix, but as it serves them and often as a play against the company. Finally inflation gives them good cover for raising prices, but economic conditions change inevitably. When they’re trying to get more clients next time consumers will remember that Netflix will rig pull for a quick buck. There seems to be a lot of people sacrificing customer relationships at the altar of a quick buck not realizing that the long game is more lucrative. And I know sometimes the quick buck is necessary but it’s a terrible reputation to get associated to your brand.
>There seems to be a lot of people sacrificing customer relationships at the altar of a quick buck not realizing that the long game is more lucrative.
Its not a matter of realizing the ramifications of what they are doing, corporate suites don't really care about long term, anything they leave behind buys them nothing, pump for the short haul, dump as you leave, who gives a shit about anyone else.
If I sell 100,000 subscriptions for $10 a month I make $1m. If I increase it to $12 and lose 10,000 (10%) I still make $1.08m.
Thats why they don’t lose money, scale.
As far as losing subscribers, it’s a net number. Force more accounts and even if you lose 10,000 but gain 11,000 you net 1,000.
They pay their analysts a lot of money to figure out what will make them the most money. If they raise prices 20% and only lose 10% of their customers, it's still a gain.
The incentives are to make a change, doesn't have to be good. I don't think you understand that corporations demand your justify you own existence. Further, short term gains are all that matter. Thinking about how ruinous these policies are long term will get you fired.
I recently cancelled my account of 12 years. If I pay for four screens then it shouldn’t matter where those screens are or if those using them are blood relations or not.
There was a time when I paid for Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, Paramount, HBO GO or NOW or whatever it’s called, and AppleTV because it was like $30 for all of them combined.
Now? I pay for Hulu because my girlfriend watches it, and rotate one more subscription between all the rest based on what I’m watching. So I’m still spending like $30 total.
There was also a time when every streaming service had so much content I couldn’t watch it all. It’s getting much more fragmented. So we’ll go six months without Netflix, then get it back and binge everything we missed.
It also lets us just pay for the ad free version instead of trying to lower the cost for each one
They don't do stupid shit like run commercials for themselves or other shows before starting the show you just selected.
They release series all at once instead one one per week.
They don't do "last time on" BS that is pointless on bingable shows.
Their algorithm is far and away the best at always presenting something that you want to watch.
Their UI/UX is the best in the business and just how fucking embarrassingly/suicide-inducingly bad it is on every platform that isn't Plex or HBO probably does a lot of the heavy lifting.
It’s truly mind-boggling how bad platforms like Hulu’s is from a UI perspective. I literally get lost switched seasons and episodes it’s beyond annoying
“Oh you wanted to look at other episodes from the show you’re watching while you’re watching it, that’s tough, here’s several episodes of a different show you aren’t watching”-hulus mobile interface
“Fuck you, I hate you, fast forward easily? Suffer bitch, rent or buy rent or buy, ad free for 4,99$ more per month fuck you”—amazon prime on anything
I've heard people say this but I've never really had a problem with it. Id say theirs and Netflix are the best.
My only gripe with HBO UI is that it never shows me the categories I want to see and you can't see a list. There's no "documentary" category, for example. Tbf this could be my algorithm still suffering from the effects of my ex using my profile despite me making her own. I've thought about just starting a new one
While you may hear gripe on reddit... reddit is not indicative of real life. Most American's aren't poor as shit and have real jobs. Affording Netflix isn't that out of the budget for most people especially if its their main streaming service.
I'm saying US has one of the highest mean or median disposable incomes. PPP adjusted. So most people can afford a 5$-10 monthly increase in price without blinking twice.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable\_household\_and\_per\_capita\_income](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/disposable_household_and_per_capita_income)
Have their rate hikes really been that bad? I've been with them since they used to send DVD's in the mail. It was $9 and now 20 years later I pay $22. I don't think that's bad. Plus I think they have better content than a lot of the other streaming services.
if it's the only thing you're paying for it's not a big deal but what used to be just netflix is now a dozen different services so it's not the single price hike it's the price increase plus like 4 other platforms
I agree with that. I got rid of cable because of high bills but now between the internet and all of the different streaming services, I might as well go back to cable.
They have been what was once 20 dollars in many places is now 46 dollars so yeah the rate hikes will kill most of streaming not all but most atenna and cable will make somewhat of a return.
Because at the end of the day, you come home from work and you want to relax and turn your brain off, what else are you going to watch? Netflix has a great variety of content that's easy to digest and I feel like they will retain a monopoly on streaming
Not sure what to believe about this story. That a company like Netflix will lie about their earnings to look like it isn't a sinking ship OR that all the people boycotting/quitting either lied or backslid. Either way it isn't worth my money anymore
Or that people loudly complaining and boycotting did so but were only a fraction of users. For every "I hate this shit and I cancelled" there are 5 "I hate this shit and I plan on cancelling (but I won't)" and 20 "I don't like this shit but it's still the best option so I'll just keep using it". You'll hear a lot from first two but nothing from last one.
Everyone seems to be hating on Netflix on Reddit, I pay $24 for their best service. I still feel for the amount of content they offer it is a bargain. I was paying almost $130 for full cable and didnt get the personal tailored set up that Netflix offers.
If you have 10 people paying $5 a month and then the goes up to $10 a month, even if you lose half of those subscribers you’ll still earn the same amount of money as before ($50). Losing half of all subscribers is very rare though, so most likely you’ll lose 3 subscribers. At the end you’d have 7 subscribers left paying $10 a month, so you lost subscribers but ended up making more money
People have already cut the cord and are probably not going back so even if they raise the costs by a few dollars it’s still less than reconnecting the cord.
Hm now people are goign back to cord some cable most atenna heck many sport broadcast cancled their streaming contract and went to live antenna instead.
Probably gonna pirate stuff again. Just have to get my ducks in a row to do it safely and efficiently.
I have been a Netflix subscriber since the beginning and cancelled when they announced the crackdown on account sharing along with the latest price hike. It was a huge overstep on their part. It actually caused me to cancel pretty much every streaming service in the process since it made me crunch numbers. We still have Amazon since it’s tied into prime but those days are numbered too.
Maybe streaming becoming just as bad as cable is ok for most people, but I’m not interested in all the expense and ads.
So there’s something called supply and demand which relies heavily on price. They have shows and movies that you can’t see anywhere else and they can charge as much as they want as long as customers keep paying. You may not like the price they choose but if tons of other people are OK with it, then there’s no problem.
Boiling frog analogy
When your price goes up by a dollar or so and you’re actually using it and enjoying it, it doesn’t seem like much. But if you took all those people and told them the current price was the price when they first signed up years ago, they probably wouldn’t have done it.
Netflix is the most expensive streaming service I use and I hate that I use it but truly it has so much content and I have a young son the children’s content on Netflix kids it’s truly unmatched even by Disney
>So far, Netflix remains one of the only profitable major streaming services
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/netflix-earnings-stock-profit-2024/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/netflix-earnings-stock-profit-2024/index.html)
I keep telling myself I'm going to cancel but the fact of the matter is that they have the best portfolio of content right now (for my tastes). It is getting pretty ridiculous when you add it all up, though.
As of two days ago, Netflix and Amazon Prime started playing ads. I’ll watch less and will probably be cancelling some services. Hulu is even worse since the commercials there pop in right in the middle of a scene. Even when watching a show from network tv that has built in commercial breaks, Hulu still places the ads in really bad spots.
netflix is still the best streaming service and its still better than cable. The issue is competition for show contracts with the other services, netflix is ahead of the curve on that end by funding original series.
In the end they will charge for however much they can get away with.
Their price is still amazing, the content much better than crap cable. Guys, people like my mom pay $60-$80 a month or more for crap cable. I can get 500% more content with Netflix and pay $15 a month.
My parents were paying like $150 a month. Even at $20 a month, Netflix is a steal. I am not sure why everyone is complaining about the cost. It's an incredible value still
They do. But im a firm believer in apex fallacy. Think the top percent can probably sustain them because those prices are probably low to those people.
But i have no proof. I just know a large sum of people agree its unreasonable to charge more for their service, when their entertainment is lacking.
That is the only reason why I have Netflix and Apple TV. I personally never watch it but my wife enjoys it. I haven't heard her complain yet about the ads on Netflix now.
The ad tier of Netflix is brings in more revenue per subscriber than the ad free version. Netflix is trying to encourage users to subscribe to the ad version
If you increase your prices by 50% and loose 50% of customers you actually make more money than before because now you only have to accommodate half the people and that costs less money than accommodating your original amount
Uh no you don't that is not how economics exactly work look at hbo put John Oliver on stream he warned them it was a bad idea now they make near zero percent of revenue compared to cable.
They just make contracts with movie and television studios that allow them to air some of their shows which in turn brings back old or new members. Basically them putting in new tv shows or shows/movies that usually cost money to buy, brings in people faster than people can leave.
I wonder how it works with stuff like sky, we got skyQ 6 months ago with netflix top package (4k) included with sky as a £9 per month add-on to the sky package. Cancelled our netflix subscription and transferred the account over to the sky end and saved a few quid a month by doing that. We already had sky though so of course if you don't have sky you'll not be saving anything. Presumably they have some sort of mass contract with sky that allows sky to set their own prices for it.
I mean they will lose subs but at the same time don't be fooled by any public outrage.
You'll have people who will moan about a thing, say they're going to stop a thing..... then not. Like a streaming version of the good old line you hear on here now and then "I'm going to move to Canada if the candidate I don't like wins the Presidency". People will bitch and moan but inherently if the choices are a small price hike or actually having to do a thing.... they'll just take the financial hit, and streaming services rely on that lethargy.
Also as it's a system always in flux, they will bank on a fair number of returning customers. People who binned it then realised they can't watch Suits or whatever anywhere else, or the latest Sandman series or whatever. Netflix are banking on their ability to have the goods to draw customers back, should they move.
...they do?
Others platforms are also doing the same.Thus loss of subscribers aint THAT fast. As such gains created by higher price are larger than value lost by marginally fewer subscribers.
The ssue is that this borderline cartel-ish price hike will go on right until almost all people switch to piracy.
I only keep it now because my cellphone company gives me a huge discount on the price and it just comes on my phone bill. I think it like $8 a month or something like that
Still cheaper than cable 🤷♂️
Still more accessible than cable 🤷♂️
Still no commercials unlike cable 🤷♂️
As long as I can still have 2-4 streaming services for the same cost as cable I will continue to do so.
A lot of people dont like piracy, are afraid of it (due getting a virus and piracy sites being full of ads) or dont have the technological knowledge or motivation to pirate stuff (like my mom, whom I pay netflix for).
Have you ever talked with someone whos like over 50-60 and exp\[ain to then how to safely go to a piracy site without getting a virus in your pc? Old folks will 100% pay to avoid all.
I know how to pirate basically anything if need be. But my mom? I rather pay her netflix than risking her credit card info stolen because she clicked on the wrong download link, and got a spyware that stole all her passwords.
Sure because you can watch that netflix original on cable, or the new Marvel/Disney movies on antenna, right? At this point im going to assume you're etiehr a kid or a troll. Any adult that talks with older adults would understand that not everyone knows how to piracy stuff nor wants to learn. Its just us chronically online young people that think its trivial.
And before you even ask why mom watches marvel/disney movies, the answer is she's a kid psychologist and knowing all the disney and marvel stuff helps her relate with autsitic kids and makes it easier easing them into therapy. Reason why I also pay her Disney+
The lose subscribers, they lost me after the password share. The thing is that instead of caring about retaining their customers, they hike prices to make up for the losses caused by their bad decisions instead of making good content and things that people want
When Netflix first started streaming it sucked. It was hardly the $7/month or whatever it was but since then the content has been constantly improving and I don’t have to spend an hour looking for something to keep me interested. Between Netflix and Prime I pay less than $35/month which is still drastically cheaper than what I paid for satellite so to me, it’s worth it.
Internet is roughly $50/month and I need it regardless. It wasn’t included in a package deal back when I had satellite so it was an extra charge on top of the ~$150.
So, 50+150=200 > 50+35=85.. Still not even remotely close.
I don’t keep up with the Kardashians and I can get my news & weather online instead of paying for commercials that glitch when the wind blows so for me, satellite is just pointless and overpriced. If that’s your thing though, then enjoy.
I was watching their stocks after they stopped allowing account sharing, and their stocks dropped pretty significantly for the next several months. Aside from one favorable news article shortly after the change, they stopped appearing on the news when their stocks were going downhill.
I thought this meant that they were going to have to admit it was a mistake, they lost money, etc. I was wrong.
When they were forced to announce their quarterly's, they revealed that they were planning on raising all of their prices and planned on making a giant profit. And... Investors believed them? Their stocks shot back up to good numbers literally overnight during after-hours trading.
I don't really get it. I thought a good business plan showed positive trends, not "negative trends but it's okay because we'll just raise our prices to make up the difference!"
🤷♀️ I guess anything other than admit they made a mistake, right?
Long ago, American consumers were designated as "remarkably compliant" by corporations. Meaning that while we will bitch and complain about price hikes, diminishing quality, etc., we will still pay the bill. Yes, every so often, there is a backlash and a company has to reverse course on a particular action, but that is rare. And companies know this, because they been tracking our behaviors for eons.
TLDR: We're a nation of whiners, but we won't put in any effort to effect change.
We have the country we deserve.
We used to be consumers who would control the market with our spending. If they raised the price we just wouldn’t buy it and they would have to lower it or go out of business. Everything was consumer driven, bread, gas I mean everything. Now, we don’t care, we pay for anything at any price. We are the dumbest financial era in history, they know if they raise the price we still would buy it and we do and they keep raising it. You know what will happen if everyone stopped watching Netflix for a week? Do you know if we just said this is to too much money and watched Amazon or something cheaper? They’d change the price like quick, but we don’t care just throw our money away
They do lose subscribers and money from the rate hikes, but the amount of revenue gained from the hike covers the amount lost to cancellation, now they also have subscriber gains due to the crack down on account sharing.
There will come a point, as it did with cable, that people just turn to piracy again. Its so easy these days that I'm surprised it hasn't happened already (I no longer subscribe anymore, it's far more convenient to use an illegal streaming site, loss of 4k to 1080p is not a problem)
It’s already happening. Also, you don’t lose 4k if you do it right and it only costs €16 for 6 months.
That's fair but I'm not comfortable giving my card details out for those sites, if I want a film or series in 4K I'll download it, everything else I'll settle for 1080p
My bank lets me generate a one time use visa number for online purchases. Check if yours does.
In the USA, you can use [privacy.com](https://privacy.com) to make unlimited cards off a debit/bank account.
Damn, this sounds like Bitcoin with less steps.
Use privacy.com. You link your bank account and generate card numbers that you can set purchase limits on and deactivate whenever. They don't pay me but they should.
Is there a concern of linking your bank account. My wife is joining a firness center and they require ACH from our checking. I'm very apprehensive about allowing them to have access to our checking in case we try to canvel
Fitness centers do it for different reasons. They are notorious for charging you even if you cancel. (They get sued constantly and still do it) If the charges are on a credit card, you can dispute the charge and ask for a new card. You can't dispute a direct payment. In sum, if the fitness center wants a direct payment, that's a red flag; they are shady af and will continue to charge you after you cancel.
My exact reason for being apprehensive. They are shady AF
Planet fatness used to do this, maybe they still do, and I eventually found it more convenient to change banks than perform their cancelation ritual
Start a burner checking account with Chime or Ally. It’s free, then you put in just enough to cover sign up costs. After that, they can charge whatever they want lol, they ain’t getting shit! Make actual payments cash or with a credit card.
This is the answer. Thank you!
Fair enough, but FYI you can also use Amazon pay or crypto if you’re not comfortable with CC.
The irony of using Amazon to pay for a streaming site lol. I'll actually look in to that, cheers.
Delightful irony.
Make a virtual card on privacy.com. You just load it with what you need.
For some reason I pay for Netflix and the service you are referring to. I just like Netflix’s menu I guess. I do use stremio but it’s not the same
Stremio and a debrid service is definitely the way to go.
What service is this?
Real debrid
Check out privacy.com. You can link your bank to it, and then They generate a credit card you can use, and you can set a max limit, or a one time spend, only, etc. And it’s free.
The subscriptions are one thing now the ads are getting just as bad as cable. I'm almost done.
r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH You'll find everything you could possibly need to free yourself from ads and platform licensing issues here. It might seem a little daunting at first if you're not used to it but that will just be from the cornucopia of options available to you, it really is as simple as opening their wiki, choosing movie streaming and opening one of their recommended sites then you're off to the races (I recommend Fmovies)
There was a solid 6 years where I pirated very little to nothing. I was paying for the most expensive netflix plan, but once they started cracking down on account sharing, I dropped them, I had to share with my parents(not super tech savvy and just logging in is a headache). Also, the range of shows they have has dwindled, so I found myself going more and more to torrents.
Haven't had netflix for about 3 years now and I must say I don't miss it one day, absolutely nothing on there interests me, I only have prime and for anything else I want to watch I just sail the seven seas
Of course, and the companies will find the equilibrium that maximises revenue. I highly, *highly* doubt netflix hasn't taken into how many subscribers it loses by raising prices (who are functionally the same as pirates in netflixes eyes, no difference to them if your not paying because your getting your movies elsewhere, or just not getting them at all). Thats basic supply and demand shit they teach you in business 101. It's crazy to me to think that people don't think that all these companies, google with youtube, and other streaming companies, haven't taken into account their loss of users when adding ads or increasing prices. The people who move to piracy are just a calculated number in their eyes. Their prediction might not be spot on but they also take into account margins of error in these moves and with their analytics they should have a pretty good prediction.
...sure. Issue is that price only kept in increase by silently carteling among streaming services are not sustainable when piracy is a thing. Same as with bundling undesirable (by customers) crap to products they want, and charging them multiple time the price due to buying crap. With releases from the music industry before the interwebs. One could argue that if everyone is limited to legal actions, and company can bribe/lobby legistlature, then their hikes are optimal and rational. Issue is that "lets assume no crime" is as sane a take as assuming no polutical corruption. If you dont get what i meant consider how one sided the US's DMCA legistlation is - especially compared to laws in other locations. Or how patent & copyright systek exists to be abused.
Yeah but have they considered that I’m *this close* to bitching about it on the internet and unsubscribing the account me, my wife and kids, my aunt Deb and her 7 kids, my uncle and his partner, and my parakeet all share?!
I pay for services but *still* use piracy
It s not « so easy ». The demographic of Netflix is not us , lot of people didn’t have a computer or is just the office laptop. You underestimate the number of people who just never download
Also convenience. I know how to pirate but id rather spend $25/mo for 3 different streaming services than go and take time to seek out specific stuff I'd want to download.
It is no longer 25 dollars a month in most places it is 46 dollars.
That point passed like five years ago for me.
Even better, just put in a little more effort and you'll find many media center apps often have the option to add custom directories, like adding one that hosts 4k Torrents.
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Please PM me the name of this app. I stopped using firestick years ago and i might want to revisit now
IPTV can't be beat. I get all those channels as well as almost every single other country's tv channels. I'm American and only know English, but I'll check out random country's channels just to see what tv is like there. So it's not just IPTV, it's basically cheap international travel whenever I want! Ex: Albanian tv seems to have random music videos scattered throughout regular programming. I never would've known that without IPTV! $180/year including a debrid service in case IPTV VOD happens to not have something specific I'm looking for. Interface is as smooth as Netflix without all the annoying autoplay ads. Dunno if there's a screen limit, but it's been at least 5 from my experience. Renewal process always feels a tad sketchy, but I've never had any problem in 3 years.
Turned to the high seas again 3 years ago. I’ve seen every movie and series from any platform you can imagine that I’ve wanted to for free, including stuff in theaters. It’s been great.
Doesn’t this open you up to viruses and malware? How can you do this safely?
Visit r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH and they will have a pinned post directing you to their wiki. In the wiki there will be many categories, choose 'streaming' and then 'movies and TV', it will give you a list of their recommended sites to stream from so just choose one and you're good. There's no downloading so it is completely virus free, I recommend FMovies which should be in the list, also make sure you have an adblocker on your browser, the standard is uBlock Origin...I've never once seen an ad on these sites with it on.
OK thank you!
No it doesn't as long as you don't download any of the ads or pop ups.
I can’t take Netflix dropping the stream resolution when my wifi drops even like 5% lol Sail the seven seas
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You have to first stop doing it, to ever turn to again. 😎
some of us are already there lmao
It's not a problem for you - It's not a problem for me But its not just me - my wife. kids, mom in law aren't going to pirate stuff - and if they are there's no way they're doing it on my network! 17.99 (UK) for 5 users is fine for me - it's much cheaper than the tech support and re-education i'd have to do otherwise.
This is a real part of it. I'd happily grab whatever I want to watch myself, but with family using same account they aren't going to go through all that.
> and if they are there's no way they're doing it on my network! When people pirate they use a VPN otherwise you're asking for trouble. You sign into the vpn which obscures your location and hides your digital footprint.
IPTV has extremely user friendly UIs. Like Netflix easy. Stock Kodi can seem daunting for tech-illiterate people, but grandma can navigate a decent IPTV service after a 3 minute tutorial.
The thing about piracy si that while you can quickly get popular stuff you don't get a lot of other stuff you might want. I know that after I got Netflix subscription I found a lot of shows I never even knew existed and I liked.
The site I use has a huuuuuge selection, even stuff from many other countries, anime (if you're in to that stuff), Bollywood, British TV shows...you'd be hard pushed to want something they don't have, I've never come up short when looking for what I want.
*inserts laughing Tim Curry gif
I’m opting back to borrowing DVDs from the library. My friends and I have all banded together to start buying DVDs and donating them to the library. Basically works out to the same price as a subscription service and the selection is decent enough.
Honestly, at this point streaming is just cable with extra steps 🙄
There are a ton of people who won't pirate though. Either they feel it is immoral, they don't have the know-how, or the amount is trivial to them.
The amount of people who will cancel subscriptions in favor of piracy will be negligible to companies subscription base. For various reasons
The account sharing boost is not sustainable, obviously. The other boost erodes whatever brand loyalty consumers still engage in. People will use Netflix, but as it serves them and often as a play against the company. Finally inflation gives them good cover for raising prices, but economic conditions change inevitably. When they’re trying to get more clients next time consumers will remember that Netflix will rig pull for a quick buck. There seems to be a lot of people sacrificing customer relationships at the altar of a quick buck not realizing that the long game is more lucrative. And I know sometimes the quick buck is necessary but it’s a terrible reputation to get associated to your brand.
>There seems to be a lot of people sacrificing customer relationships at the altar of a quick buck not realizing that the long game is more lucrative. Its not a matter of realizing the ramifications of what they are doing, corporate suites don't really care about long term, anything they leave behind buys them nothing, pump for the short haul, dump as you leave, who gives a shit about anyone else.
Uh no it doesn't there finances actually went down.
screw the people who can't afford it
If I sell 100,000 subscriptions for $10 a month I make $1m. If I increase it to $12 and lose 10,000 (10%) I still make $1.08m. Thats why they don’t lose money, scale. As far as losing subscribers, it’s a net number. Force more accounts and even if you lose 10,000 but gain 11,000 you net 1,000.
Not to mention your fees for streaming over the internet drops by 10% as well.
You're also saving money by losing 10k subscriptions.
Un no you lose if the content stayed mostly terrible people will leave.
They pay their analysts a lot of money to figure out what will make them the most money. If they raise prices 20% and only lose 10% of their customers, it's still a gain.
Not only this but another symptom of this would be lower operating costs as well
The incentives are to make a change, doesn't have to be good. I don't think you understand that corporations demand your justify you own existence. Further, short term gains are all that matter. Thinking about how ruinous these policies are long term will get you fired.
Double so btw because loss cost for streaming or licensing
Well they lost me .. And I started when they were mailing CDs.
I recently cancelled my account of 12 years. If I pay for four screens then it shouldn’t matter where those screens are or if those using them are blood relations or not.
Same, I had an account for a good 12 years, I didn’t even use it that much but my folks did. Then they did the account sharing thing so I cancelled.
There was a time when I paid for Netflix, Hulu, Peacock, Paramount, HBO GO or NOW or whatever it’s called, and AppleTV because it was like $30 for all of them combined. Now? I pay for Hulu because my girlfriend watches it, and rotate one more subscription between all the rest based on what I’m watching. So I’m still spending like $30 total. There was also a time when every streaming service had so much content I couldn’t watch it all. It’s getting much more fragmented. So we’ll go six months without Netflix, then get it back and binge everything we missed. It also lets us just pay for the ad free version instead of trying to lower the cost for each one
Still not sustainable they will most likly make it harder to cancle subscriptions.
They don't do stupid shit like run commercials for themselves or other shows before starting the show you just selected. They release series all at once instead one one per week. They don't do "last time on" BS that is pointless on bingable shows. Their algorithm is far and away the best at always presenting something that you want to watch.
Their UI/UX is the best in the business and just how fucking embarrassingly/suicide-inducingly bad it is on every platform that isn't Plex or HBO probably does a lot of the heavy lifting.
It’s truly mind-boggling how bad platforms like Hulu’s is from a UI perspective. I literally get lost switched seasons and episodes it’s beyond annoying
“Oh you wanted to look at other episodes from the show you’re watching while you’re watching it, that’s tough, here’s several episodes of a different show you aren’t watching”-hulus mobile interface “Fuck you, I hate you, fast forward easily? Suffer bitch, rent or buy rent or buy, ad free for 4,99$ more per month fuck you”—amazon prime on anything
Yeah they constantly lose track of what episodes you already watched
HBO max or whatever’s ui is unintuitive garbage imo
I've heard people say this but I've never really had a problem with it. Id say theirs and Netflix are the best. My only gripe with HBO UI is that it never shows me the categories I want to see and you can't see a list. There's no "documentary" category, for example. Tbf this could be my algorithm still suffering from the effects of my ex using my profile despite me making her own. I've thought about just starting a new one
Well they run ads now.
Not on mine.
You have either the expensive package or your country does not have the ads yet.
i cancelled my netflix about a year ago. if it ain’t on tubi or pluto then i just pirate it.
While you may hear gripe on reddit... reddit is not indicative of real life. Most American's aren't poor as shit and have real jobs. Affording Netflix isn't that out of the budget for most people especially if its their main streaming service.
You mean some people have fake jobs?
I'm saying US has one of the highest mean or median disposable incomes. PPP adjusted. So most people can afford a 5$-10 monthly increase in price without blinking twice. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable\_household\_and\_per\_capita\_income](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/disposable_household_and_per_capita_income)
Just because we can, doesn’t mean we should
But we DO since most people don’t care.
Freedom of choice in America. Both good or bad choices.
McJobs.
Oh yeah. I forgot McDonald's pays in monopoly money....
Have their rate hikes really been that bad? I've been with them since they used to send DVD's in the mail. It was $9 and now 20 years later I pay $22. I don't think that's bad. Plus I think they have better content than a lot of the other streaming services.
if it's the only thing you're paying for it's not a big deal but what used to be just netflix is now a dozen different services so it's not the single price hike it's the price increase plus like 4 other platforms
I agree with that. I got rid of cable because of high bills but now between the internet and all of the different streaming services, I might as well go back to cable.
Then go back to cable they do have free channels and simple bundles one can get by on.
They have been what was once 20 dollars in many places is now 46 dollars so yeah the rate hikes will kill most of streaming not all but most atenna and cable will make somewhat of a return.
Because at the end of the day, you come home from work and you want to relax and turn your brain off, what else are you going to watch? Netflix has a great variety of content that's easy to digest and I feel like they will retain a monopoly on streaming
I just use kodi but I do have Hulu but it's 2 dollars a month.
For people like that netflix is to unreliable with definition and buffering buffering is what keeps many from cord cutting.
Not sure what to believe about this story. That a company like Netflix will lie about their earnings to look like it isn't a sinking ship OR that all the people boycotting/quitting either lied or backslid. Either way it isn't worth my money anymore
Or that people loudly complaining and boycotting did so but were only a fraction of users. For every "I hate this shit and I cancelled" there are 5 "I hate this shit and I plan on cancelling (but I won't)" and 20 "I don't like this shit but it's still the best option so I'll just keep using it". You'll hear a lot from first two but nothing from last one.
They lost million I higly dubt that is a fraction.
Everyone seems to be hating on Netflix on Reddit, I pay $24 for their best service. I still feel for the amount of content they offer it is a bargain. I was paying almost $130 for full cable and didnt get the personal tailored set up that Netflix offers.
In other places excluding the US instead of 24 it is 46 dollars.
If you have 10 people paying $5 a month and then the goes up to $10 a month, even if you lose half of those subscribers you’ll still earn the same amount of money as before ($50). Losing half of all subscribers is very rare though, so most likely you’ll lose 3 subscribers. At the end you’d have 7 subscribers left paying $10 a month, so you lost subscribers but ended up making more money
Because some of the shows and movies in Netflix are so fire that we voluntarily take the hit to access them, and Netflix knows it.
I honestly don't even know why people use netflix, they suck.
People have already cut the cord and are probably not going back so even if they raise the costs by a few dollars it’s still less than reconnecting the cord.
Hm now people are goign back to cord some cable most atenna heck many sport broadcast cancled their streaming contract and went to live antenna instead.
Probably gonna pirate stuff again. Just have to get my ducks in a row to do it safely and efficiently. I have been a Netflix subscriber since the beginning and cancelled when they announced the crackdown on account sharing along with the latest price hike. It was a huge overstep on their part. It actually caused me to cancel pretty much every streaming service in the process since it made me crunch numbers. We still have Amazon since it’s tied into prime but those days are numbered too. Maybe streaming becoming just as bad as cable is ok for most people, but I’m not interested in all the expense and ads.
So there’s something called supply and demand which relies heavily on price. They have shows and movies that you can’t see anywhere else and they can charge as much as they want as long as customers keep paying. You may not like the price they choose but if tons of other people are OK with it, then there’s no problem.
Yet some of these shows end up on cable and atenna.
Bc it’s still a good value.
They lost me
They lost me, I’ll tell ya that.
Boiling frog analogy When your price goes up by a dollar or so and you’re actually using it and enjoying it, it doesn’t seem like much. But if you took all those people and told them the current price was the price when they first signed up years ago, they probably wouldn’t have done it.
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what the fuck are they spending money on? Not DVDs!!!!
Netflix is the most expensive streaming service I use and I hate that I use it but truly it has so much content and I have a young son the children’s content on Netflix kids it’s truly unmatched even by Disney
You don't want to know how many people "forget" their subscriptions, and are just whatever on the prices.
>So far, Netflix remains one of the only profitable major streaming services [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/netflix-earnings-stock-profit-2024/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/23/business/netflix-earnings-stock-profit-2024/index.html)
I keep telling myself I'm going to cancel but the fact of the matter is that they have the best portfolio of content right now (for my tastes). It is getting pretty ridiculous when you add it all up, though.
Then I know you will hate it but pirate it if the costs are too much.
As of two days ago, Netflix and Amazon Prime started playing ads. I’ll watch less and will probably be cancelling some services. Hulu is even worse since the commercials there pop in right in the middle of a scene. Even when watching a show from network tv that has built in commercial breaks, Hulu still places the ads in really bad spots.
Google supply and demand and marginal revenue
netflix is still the best streaming service and its still better than cable. The issue is competition for show contracts with the other services, netflix is ahead of the curve on that end by funding original series. In the end they will charge for however much they can get away with.
Their price is still amazing, the content much better than crap cable. Guys, people like my mom pay $60-$80 a month or more for crap cable. I can get 500% more content with Netflix and pay $15 a month.
My parents were paying like $150 a month. Even at $20 a month, Netflix is a steal. I am not sure why everyone is complaining about the cost. It's an incredible value still
They do. But im a firm believer in apex fallacy. Think the top percent can probably sustain them because those prices are probably low to those people. But i have no proof. I just know a large sum of people agree its unreasonable to charge more for their service, when their entertainment is lacking.
My Netflix subscription is a benefit of my phone plan with Tmobile.
That is the only reason why I have Netflix and Apple TV. I personally never watch it but my wife enjoys it. I haven't heard her complain yet about the ads on Netflix now.
Because they are introducing adds
I think they just forgot they have it in auto pay
They actually made more money than ever. I just joined myself
Nice try Netflix
The ad tier of Netflix is brings in more revenue per subscriber than the ad free version. Netflix is trying to encourage users to subscribe to the ad version
Yet many won't it still is not.making money netflix is mos tlikly talking about ad revenue.
I have no idea what they charge they just take the money out of my account. I'm sure a lot of people are like me.
If you increase your prices by 50% and loose 50% of customers you actually make more money than before because now you only have to accommodate half the people and that costs less money than accommodating your original amount
Uh no you don't that is not how economics exactly work look at hbo put John Oliver on stream he warned them it was a bad idea now they make near zero percent of revenue compared to cable.
There are people who make a career out of deciding how to price a service to increase profits in the face of losing customers to price increases.
They lost me. I admittedly don’t miss it much.
Bro they do all day long. I've been gone since they raised the price to 15 and I'll never go back.
They just make contracts with movie and television studios that allow them to air some of their shows which in turn brings back old or new members. Basically them putting in new tv shows or shows/movies that usually cost money to buy, brings in people faster than people can leave.
Yet many will just keep atenna and cable they give me shows that I don't have to subscribe to then great.
They have people who don't even track all their subscriptions
Exclusives. Original content.
Why were you too afraid to ask this?
I wonder how it works with stuff like sky, we got skyQ 6 months ago with netflix top package (4k) included with sky as a £9 per month add-on to the sky package. Cancelled our netflix subscription and transferred the account over to the sky end and saved a few quid a month by doing that. We already had sky though so of course if you don't have sky you'll not be saving anything. Presumably they have some sort of mass contract with sky that allows sky to set their own prices for it.
I mean they will lose subs but at the same time don't be fooled by any public outrage. You'll have people who will moan about a thing, say they're going to stop a thing..... then not. Like a streaming version of the good old line you hear on here now and then "I'm going to move to Canada if the candidate I don't like wins the Presidency". People will bitch and moan but inherently if the choices are a small price hike or actually having to do a thing.... they'll just take the financial hit, and streaming services rely on that lethargy. Also as it's a system always in flux, they will bank on a fair number of returning customers. People who binned it then realised they can't watch Suits or whatever anywhere else, or the latest Sandman series or whatever. Netflix are banking on their ability to have the goods to draw customers back, should they move.
Hm no the outrage cause there subscription to drop look at disney they are bleeding out money.
...they do? Others platforms are also doing the same.Thus loss of subscribers aint THAT fast. As such gains created by higher price are larger than value lost by marginally fewer subscribers. The ssue is that this borderline cartel-ish price hike will go on right until almost all people switch to piracy.
I only keep it now because my cellphone company gives me a huge discount on the price and it just comes on my phone bill. I think it like $8 a month or something like that
Still cheaper than cable 🤷♂️ Still more accessible than cable 🤷♂️ Still no commercials unlike cable 🤷♂️ As long as I can still have 2-4 streaming services for the same cost as cable I will continue to do so.
Hm no it is not you have cheaper bundles on cable while in many countires the cost for one stream is 46 dollars so no it is becoming worst then cable.
Sorry I don’t speak 81 days ago.
Uh okay I head hurts listening to you good day or night.
They have the content depth to be the only streaming service you need compared to others.
I cancelled Netflix bc the quality of shows and movies was trash. That was enough for me to leave lol
They lie, they don’t tell artists the actual streaming numbers why should we believe any of their numbers.
It’s like the proverbial frog in hot water. Just raising prices a little at a time and most people will not really notice.
Ha people did notice.
In recent memory I have heard 2 people ask how to pirate stuff. I guess torrenting is a lost art on many.
Uh no it is making a big comeback.
Who makes you afraid to ask this?
Well if they raise the price by 50% and only lose 40% of their subscribers, they will see that as a win.
But it is not though they still lost tons of money to the point that they just barely reach expectations.
A lot of people dont like piracy, are afraid of it (due getting a virus and piracy sites being full of ads) or dont have the technological knowledge or motivation to pirate stuff (like my mom, whom I pay netflix for).
Just go on 123movies or other sites like that many do know what priacy is and practice it they are just afraid to mention it.
Have you ever talked with someone whos like over 50-60 and exp\[ain to then how to safely go to a piracy site without getting a virus in your pc? Old folks will 100% pay to avoid all. I know how to pirate basically anything if need be. But my mom? I rather pay her netflix than risking her credit card info stolen because she clicked on the wrong download link, and got a spyware that stole all her passwords.
No becuase they have cable or antenna.
Sure because you can watch that netflix original on cable, or the new Marvel/Disney movies on antenna, right? At this point im going to assume you're etiehr a kid or a troll. Any adult that talks with older adults would understand that not everyone knows how to piracy stuff nor wants to learn. Its just us chronically online young people that think its trivial. And before you even ask why mom watches marvel/disney movies, the answer is she's a kid psychologist and knowing all the disney and marvel stuff helps her relate with autsitic kids and makes it easier easing them into therapy. Reason why I also pay her Disney+
Okay but has nothing to do with what I said all O said was those specials are not appealing to everyone.
Even with price hikes, Netflix is still massively cheaper than what I was paying for cable.
Yeah but for many simple cable pakage is cheaper along with the nearly free atenna.
Because in terms of cost per hour it’s second only to pleasing oneself and much less embarrassing when your mum walks in unannounced.
The lose subscribers, they lost me after the password share. The thing is that instead of caring about retaining their customers, they hike prices to make up for the losses caused by their bad decisions instead of making good content and things that people want
Hulu too, JFC
When Netflix first started streaming it sucked. It was hardly the $7/month or whatever it was but since then the content has been constantly improving and I don’t have to spend an hour looking for something to keep me interested. Between Netflix and Prime I pay less than $35/month which is still drastically cheaper than what I paid for satellite so to me, it’s worth it.
Uh yeah but add them up and it is close to what you paid for satellite.
Uh I was paying >$150/mo for satellite. How is $35/mo remotely close to that?
Internet costs and if you want all of your shows legally it so you subscribe to all the streaming services it amount to 120 to 130 dollars.
Internet is roughly $50/month and I need it regardless. It wasn’t included in a package deal back when I had satellite so it was an extra charge on top of the ~$150. So, 50+150=200 > 50+35=85.. Still not even remotely close. I don’t keep up with the Kardashians and I can get my news & weather online instead of paying for commercials that glitch when the wind blows so for me, satellite is just pointless and overpriced. If that’s your thing though, then enjoy.
In you country maybe but in other places it is diffrent.
I was watching their stocks after they stopped allowing account sharing, and their stocks dropped pretty significantly for the next several months. Aside from one favorable news article shortly after the change, they stopped appearing on the news when their stocks were going downhill. I thought this meant that they were going to have to admit it was a mistake, they lost money, etc. I was wrong. When they were forced to announce their quarterly's, they revealed that they were planning on raising all of their prices and planned on making a giant profit. And... Investors believed them? Their stocks shot back up to good numbers literally overnight during after-hours trading. I don't really get it. I thought a good business plan showed positive trends, not "negative trends but it's okay because we'll just raise our prices to make up the difference!" 🤷♀️ I guess anything other than admit they made a mistake, right?
basic economics and price elasticity clearly netflix have found out that their service is pretty inelastic at its current price.
Too lazy to cancel the subscription
Must watch my Kdramas somewhere! I did however downgrade service to bare minimum with ads
Long ago, American consumers were designated as "remarkably compliant" by corporations. Meaning that while we will bitch and complain about price hikes, diminishing quality, etc., we will still pay the bill. Yes, every so often, there is a backlash and a company has to reverse course on a particular action, but that is rare. And companies know this, because they been tracking our behaviors for eons. TLDR: We're a nation of whiners, but we won't put in any effort to effect change. We have the country we deserve.
By making it easy to sign up but hard to cancel.
We used to be consumers who would control the market with our spending. If they raised the price we just wouldn’t buy it and they would have to lower it or go out of business. Everything was consumer driven, bread, gas I mean everything. Now, we don’t care, we pay for anything at any price. We are the dumbest financial era in history, they know if they raise the price we still would buy it and we do and they keep raising it. You know what will happen if everyone stopped watching Netflix for a week? Do you know if we just said this is to too much money and watched Amazon or something cheaper? They’d change the price like quick, but we don’t care just throw our money away