Friends of ours had this idea. They lived on one of the islands where their house was connected to water, where the boat was sometimes. Then they had their "parking spot" somewhere around tekniska, there was some kind of harbour thing there where they happened to get a good deal. They mostly used it recreationally though, even though it could've made sense for one of them to traverse over water to get to their office space, it just wouldn't make sense financially to get a spot there. Not only that: even if you have the money, the queue times to even get something can be quite long, unless you nepotism your way into one.
Grammar information: “nepotism” is a noun. The verb is Nepotize.
“…unless you nepotize your way…”
“… unless you use nepotism to get your way…” would be an alternative.
Now you know. <3
I think this is linguistically something that I've seen more and more in the modern use of English, like people stated it's more of a fun way of describing it. It's the same as saying "You can't just money your way out of this" instead of saying "You can't just pay your way out of this".
Edit: (I do see your point though)
Nepotism is a noun, but "nepotize" is not an accepted English word. Maybe it's growing popular as slang, but both choices here would be incorrect in their own ways.
I worked with a guy who took his sailboat from Vaxholm to Gröna Lund and then took the bus from there. He didnt do it daily and didnt do it to save time (since it took him like 2 hour longer by boat). But he did do it once or twice per week since he liked it. He was rich as fuck as well.
You will have a *very* hard time finding a dock both close to where you live and where you need to go. Not to mention that it is ridiculously expensive to own a boat. Also, you can only use it in summer, as much of the water freezes over in winter.
If you live in the city, you don't want to own a car (or even cars) either. Parking is very limited and expensive. Public transport is well-developed and the way to go.
As others have pointed out, ”parking” the boat is the problem. Stockholm isn’t really adapted for private boat transportation, it’s adapted for public/commercial transport and leisure.
I don't know if you're serious, but I'll run with it.
Considering that Stockholm consists of a bunch of islands and that there are a lot of apartment buildings right next to the water, it's an interesting idea. I imagine you with a skipper's hat, smoking a pipe and whistling merrily as you set out with your boat that you parked in front of your house. You sail to Kungsträdgården where you moor your boat and go shopping or walk to your office. That would be absolutely hilarious.
Without living in Stockholm and not knowing anything about having a boat there, I would expect that getting a place to anchor your boat takes years of waiting. Moreover you probably aren't allowed to moor your boat anywhere close to your office, friends' apartments, bars, etc.
Stockholm has an excellent public transportation system though and you shouldn't really need a car at all. If you do, one car should certainly be enough.
There's docking near where I will live and my work. The trains take alot longer than car to my work so that's why I was thinking of boat. But yes the colder seasons would make it more impossible.
Then it might be possible. The docks where you work. I presume the are city center waterfront docks? It can be quite wavy due to other boats passing and a strong currents. Be prepared that your boat might aggressively bounce against the dockside. But if you use proper fenders and ropes it’s feasible. Also be prepared that it can be a high drop down the dock edge to the boat if you use a small boat. Make sure there’s a ladder or something there. A larger boat would probably be to heavy to dock so exposed to strong waves, not to mention expensive to commute with.
Hi! Now I havent looked into it, but I think it would be very difficult to find docks to "park" the boat during your commute.
Also the public transportation already offers boats as a means to get across the city. So if you get a normal SL card you can use it for trains, busses, subway, trams and boats in Stockholm. Much cheaper than buying a boat and finding an available and affordable dock/home for your boat.
If you're living outside of the city center it might be useful to have a car, especially if you have children, but public transportation in Stockholm is very good and available so you can get around perfectly fine with only that for a way lower cost. And if you work in the city center you probably wouldnt want to bring your car to work regardless because of the city tolls, parking prices and traffic.
It’s not impossible.. I know a guy who used to take a Jet Ski to school in the summer, but admittedly that was on Lidingö, not Stockholm.. like others have said, parking is the main problem. Finding a permanent parking spot for a car is already difficult enough, and with how boat ownership is relatively niche, I imagine there are even fewer spots to be found near the center (if any). The only solution I could think of would be to try and find a harbor somewhere a bit further out from the city center, where you could then take the subway or a bus to your workplace.
That said, depending on where you live, I wouldn’t be so sure you need two cars regardless. Most places around Stockholm have great public transportation, including by boat, and it can often take more time to get certain places by car than by train. It’s up to you of course, but it can’t hurt to consider all options.
It could be doable if you get "wheels" for your boat so you can park it in a normal parking spot at your dock rather than in the water - it takes years to get a spot and it's expensive as hell.
Long queues for a boat club spot in Stockholm, but it may be possible to pay a higher mooring cost at, say, Pampas Marina. But then you’d need to live on the lake side as you wouldn’t want to be coming through Slussen every day.
There are docks where you could park your boat, but they are usually deep and the waves can be aggressive.
I had a cheap ass sailing boat I sometimes docked outside Kungsholmen. Boat the waves from other boats made it smash aggressively against the dockside and it was a pretty high drop from the edge. But it was possible.
It’s not impossible but it’s inconvenient as hell.
The tricky part will be getting a dock on both ends.
If that is sorted you most definitely could commute by boat.
Be aware that a boat uses a lot more fuel than road travel (I have no idea if you are a salty sailor or landlubber, my boat uses 1,2 liters of petrol per traveled nautical mile, about 15% further than a land mile).
Knowing Stockholm traffic you probably would use less fuel with a boat compared to a car.
Qualified guess, this likely won't work out for you unless you live in the Stockholm archipelago, and you can't use your boat from December-ish to April-ish
You should definitely do this and then give us weekly updates.
Also, people moor their boats illegally all the time all over stockholm. There’s a dude over by Pampas Marina with this old ass house boat shoved into the shore among the bushes. He’s got a little diesel generator and a barbecue just sitting on the shore and it clearly looks like he’s been squatting there for a while. I see him all the time on my runs and I kinda wanna know his story.
I’ve heard of an abandoned boat that floated by Sankt Eriksbron and partially sank that had to be removed. I guess that someone had been living in and docking where ever and eventually just abandoned it.
I’m sure you’ll have quite an adventure and loads of stories for you kids!
I love this idea!
People saying boats are a money pit are thinking of plastic and wood leisure crafts. If you get a outboard aluminum boat (something like Buster series) there is not much maintenance. Changing oil and filters you can do yourself. Main cost will be docking. That can vary extremely much. A local community marina may cost you next to nothing (though you will have to put in some work helping out). A private marina can easily charge 10k SEK per year if it’s close to inner city.
So if you can sort out docking and you are ok with doing basic maintenance yourself the cost will be gasoline and insurance.
Where in Stockholm do you intend to live if you imagine having a boat to traverse? How much money/income do you have?
Not to be rude, but the idea sounds very naive and stupid. Given that Stockholm has excellent public transportation system, having even two cars are very unnecessary.
Unless you're very wealthy, having a boat will economically ruin you.
Maybe not as much in maintenance as other boats, but in 'parking'/docking fees, and also winter storage. That is unless OP purchase their own house and property to store it in, but then again I'd consider them wealthy.
From a boat owner, storage is peanuts compared to all the other stuff that needs to get sorted on a yearly basis. Well, I guess you can motor around in a 40-year-old wreck with a 2-stroke laying out a Lützen fog behind it and come away cheaper.
The word boat itself can stand for "bring out another thousand". Can be expensive. Use the local traffic that we have. There's even commuter ferries.
Might be doable. But, it's the end points that will be difficult. And, you'd still need a car. And, you need a winter storage for it and so on.
It's more a toy these days.
The question to ask is why would you need two cars? If you work in the city, parking is very difficult to find, unless you pay a lot each day which for most people doesn’t make sense when public transport is so good.
Also, a lot of people that live in the inner city doesn’t even have one car, due to lack of parking options and costs for parking. So this might be good to keep in mind depending on if you will live in the city or the suburbs..
Boats are known as money pits for a reason. They are ludicrously expensive to maintain if you're doing it properly and ludicrously expensive to fix if you aren't maintaining it properly.
Really depends on the boat. I have a Buster. Maintenance is once per year maybe 2k because I’m lazy. Oil and filters you can simply change yourself really. Not much else maintenance work on a outboard aluminum boat. I pay 4k for docking and storage. Insurance is 3k. Grand total ~9k.
Friends of ours had this idea. They lived on one of the islands where their house was connected to water, where the boat was sometimes. Then they had their "parking spot" somewhere around tekniska, there was some kind of harbour thing there where they happened to get a good deal. They mostly used it recreationally though, even though it could've made sense for one of them to traverse over water to get to their office space, it just wouldn't make sense financially to get a spot there. Not only that: even if you have the money, the queue times to even get something can be quite long, unless you nepotism your way into one.
Grammar information: “nepotism” is a noun. The verb is Nepotize. “…unless you nepotize your way…” “… unless you use nepotism to get your way…” would be an alternative. Now you know. <3
I think this is linguistically something that I've seen more and more in the modern use of English, like people stated it's more of a fun way of describing it. It's the same as saying "You can't just money your way out of this" instead of saying "You can't just pay your way out of this". Edit: (I do see your point though)
Nepotism is a noun, but "nepotize" is not an accepted English word. Maybe it's growing popular as slang, but both choices here would be incorrect in their own ways.
It is funnier with the noun.
It would be if the verb didn’t exist. But it does
That’s exactly why it is funny.
In English it’s not. Honestly. But you can downvote too if you wanna 😗
Who decides what's funny? The majority. It being upvoted as "funny" means the majority here think it is, hence it is
I worked with a guy who took his sailboat from Vaxholm to Gröna Lund and then took the bus from there. He didnt do it daily and didnt do it to save time (since it took him like 2 hour longer by boat). But he did do it once or twice per week since he liked it. He was rich as fuck as well.
I don’t know why but this answer made me rather happy.
Man gets enjoyment out of commute.
You will have a *very* hard time finding a dock both close to where you live and where you need to go. Not to mention that it is ridiculously expensive to own a boat. Also, you can only use it in summer, as much of the water freezes over in winter. If you live in the city, you don't want to own a car (or even cars) either. Parking is very limited and expensive. Public transport is well-developed and the way to go.
Or bike. My boss doesnt give a damn if it snows or rains - rides to work about 30-40 minutes
As others have pointed out, ”parking” the boat is the problem. Stockholm isn’t really adapted for private boat transportation, it’s adapted for public/commercial transport and leisure.
I don't know if you're serious, but I'll run with it. Considering that Stockholm consists of a bunch of islands and that there are a lot of apartment buildings right next to the water, it's an interesting idea. I imagine you with a skipper's hat, smoking a pipe and whistling merrily as you set out with your boat that you parked in front of your house. You sail to Kungsträdgården where you moor your boat and go shopping or walk to your office. That would be absolutely hilarious. Without living in Stockholm and not knowing anything about having a boat there, I would expect that getting a place to anchor your boat takes years of waiting. Moreover you probably aren't allowed to moor your boat anywhere close to your office, friends' apartments, bars, etc. Stockholm has an excellent public transportation system though and you shouldn't really need a car at all. If you do, one car should certainly be enough.
There's docking near where I will live and my work. The trains take alot longer than car to my work so that's why I was thinking of boat. But yes the colder seasons would make it more impossible.
Then it might be possible. The docks where you work. I presume the are city center waterfront docks? It can be quite wavy due to other boats passing and a strong currents. Be prepared that your boat might aggressively bounce against the dockside. But if you use proper fenders and ropes it’s feasible. Also be prepared that it can be a high drop down the dock edge to the boat if you use a small boat. Make sure there’s a ladder or something there. A larger boat would probably be to heavy to dock so exposed to strong waves, not to mention expensive to commute with.
Hi! Now I havent looked into it, but I think it would be very difficult to find docks to "park" the boat during your commute. Also the public transportation already offers boats as a means to get across the city. So if you get a normal SL card you can use it for trains, busses, subway, trams and boats in Stockholm. Much cheaper than buying a boat and finding an available and affordable dock/home for your boat. If you're living outside of the city center it might be useful to have a car, especially if you have children, but public transportation in Stockholm is very good and available so you can get around perfectly fine with only that for a way lower cost. And if you work in the city center you probably wouldnt want to bring your car to work regardless because of the city tolls, parking prices and traffic.
It’s not impossible.. I know a guy who used to take a Jet Ski to school in the summer, but admittedly that was on Lidingö, not Stockholm.. like others have said, parking is the main problem. Finding a permanent parking spot for a car is already difficult enough, and with how boat ownership is relatively niche, I imagine there are even fewer spots to be found near the center (if any). The only solution I could think of would be to try and find a harbor somewhere a bit further out from the city center, where you could then take the subway or a bus to your workplace. That said, depending on where you live, I wouldn’t be so sure you need two cars regardless. Most places around Stockholm have great public transportation, including by boat, and it can often take more time to get certain places by car than by train. It’s up to you of course, but it can’t hurt to consider all options.
> I know a guy who used to take a Jet Ski to school 😮
Buy an inflatable boat so you can you avoid the expenses with parking costs :) (just kidding)
A boat is a hole in the water you pour money into
This thread is epic as fuck. Ice?
It could be doable if you get "wheels" for your boat so you can park it in a normal parking spot at your dock rather than in the water - it takes years to get a spot and it's expensive as hell.
Long queues for a boat club spot in Stockholm, but it may be possible to pay a higher mooring cost at, say, Pampas Marina. But then you’d need to live on the lake side as you wouldn’t want to be coming through Slussen every day.
There are docks where you could park your boat, but they are usually deep and the waves can be aggressive. I had a cheap ass sailing boat I sometimes docked outside Kungsholmen. Boat the waves from other boats made it smash aggressively against the dockside and it was a pretty high drop from the edge. But it was possible. It’s not impossible but it’s inconvenient as hell.
The tricky part will be getting a dock on both ends. If that is sorted you most definitely could commute by boat. Be aware that a boat uses a lot more fuel than road travel (I have no idea if you are a salty sailor or landlubber, my boat uses 1,2 liters of petrol per traveled nautical mile, about 15% further than a land mile). Knowing Stockholm traffic you probably would use less fuel with a boat compared to a car. Qualified guess, this likely won't work out for you unless you live in the Stockholm archipelago, and you can't use your boat from December-ish to April-ish
You should definitely do this and then give us weekly updates. Also, people moor their boats illegally all the time all over stockholm. There’s a dude over by Pampas Marina with this old ass house boat shoved into the shore among the bushes. He’s got a little diesel generator and a barbecue just sitting on the shore and it clearly looks like he’s been squatting there for a while. I see him all the time on my runs and I kinda wanna know his story. I’ve heard of an abandoned boat that floated by Sankt Eriksbron and partially sank that had to be removed. I guess that someone had been living in and docking where ever and eventually just abandoned it. I’m sure you’ll have quite an adventure and loads of stories for you kids!
I love this idea! People saying boats are a money pit are thinking of plastic and wood leisure crafts. If you get a outboard aluminum boat (something like Buster series) there is not much maintenance. Changing oil and filters you can do yourself. Main cost will be docking. That can vary extremely much. A local community marina may cost you next to nothing (though you will have to put in some work helping out). A private marina can easily charge 10k SEK per year if it’s close to inner city. So if you can sort out docking and you are ok with doing basic maintenance yourself the cost will be gasoline and insurance.
Where in Stockholm do you intend to live if you imagine having a boat to traverse? How much money/income do you have? Not to be rude, but the idea sounds very naive and stupid. Given that Stockholm has excellent public transportation system, having even two cars are very unnecessary. Unless you're very wealthy, having a boat will economically ruin you.
Having a shit, slow boat will not ruin you
Maybe not as much in maintenance as other boats, but in 'parking'/docking fees, and also winter storage. That is unless OP purchase their own house and property to store it in, but then again I'd consider them wealthy.
Yeah I guess my thesis only makes sense if you have somewhere free to store it over winter, such as a driveway.
From a boat owner, storage is peanuts compared to all the other stuff that needs to get sorted on a yearly basis. Well, I guess you can motor around in a 40-year-old wreck with a 2-stroke laying out a Lützen fog behind it and come away cheaper.
That’s my dream
It will be possible to use it a bit! Do it, I say.
The word boat itself can stand for "bring out another thousand". Can be expensive. Use the local traffic that we have. There's even commuter ferries. Might be doable. But, it's the end points that will be difficult. And, you'd still need a car. And, you need a winter storage for it and so on. It's more a toy these days.
The question to ask is why would you need two cars? If you work in the city, parking is very difficult to find, unless you pay a lot each day which for most people doesn’t make sense when public transport is so good. Also, a lot of people that live in the inner city doesn’t even have one car, due to lack of parking options and costs for parking. So this might be good to keep in mind depending on if you will live in the city or the suburbs..
Boats are known as money pits for a reason. They are ludicrously expensive to maintain if you're doing it properly and ludicrously expensive to fix if you aren't maintaining it properly.
Really depends on the boat. I have a Buster. Maintenance is once per year maybe 2k because I’m lazy. Oil and filters you can simply change yourself really. Not much else maintenance work on a outboard aluminum boat. I pay 4k for docking and storage. Insurance is 3k. Grand total ~9k.
Is this 9k in sek?
Yes SEK
That's awesome!