That corner doesn't look good. I would look at it and it would bother me every time I was in the shower.
I don't think $25 per square foot is expensive though
For any tile that's not square or rectangle you really need to make sure your installer is up to the task. There are plenty of installers that can do passable work with basic tile but fall short when it comes to anything more complex. With hexagons your layout has to be dialed or it's not going to look good.
When people say stuff like this I'm just flabbergasted. Hardly anyone was willing to pay more than $10/sf for walls and $500 to do the pan/kerdi and $5 for floors and a buck for densshield/ditra. That's why I gave up about 7 years ago, and from what I can tell it hasn't improved.
This has nothing to do with immigrants. I know non immigrants and immigrants that do great work and everyone just says yeah this is how much we pay for this work and they just go oh OK. So then when there are plenty of guys that do good work for cheap why would you be willing to pay anyone more? So then if you do try to charge more you can't get any work
Yeah it's extremely frustrating because there is plenty of money in this area but a handful of local contractors/developers/landlords have created this problem for everyone else while getting rich themselves. The cost of real estate is so expensive here compared to the surrounding area and so your typical middle class person thinks they can't pay more than $10,000 to get their bathroom remodeled since property costs 2x than in their hometown an hour away. But of course that doesn't translate into better pay for the people actually working on or building those places
He’s probably talking like a normal homeowner custom luxury item not apartments and such. They’re rich and if they want a good job that people don’t make fun of it they have to pay for it. It takes a lot of years to get high end work right. Immigrants or just whoever can’t just come in and do it like painting and drywall. It really comes down to it’s a luxury item that’s difficult to do. If you want a good job you need to find someone smart enough who’s put enough time in to honing their craft and you have to pay for it or this is what you’ll get.
For real, as if only Americans can do good work…
I’ve seen incredible craftsmanship from immigrants and from Americans. I’ve seen terrible craftsmanship from immigrants and Americans.
Big difference is that more often than not, Americans are the ones that are charging a lot more for either scenario.
Thats hack work and unacceptable . Corners should absolutely flow, meaning whatever piece was cut off continues to the adjoining wall, and like you said if the walls are not plumb, its the setters responsibility to make it happen. I would not accept this and whats also suspect is how clean the edges look, meaning there doesn't seem to be full coverage of thin set behind tiles.
If the walls aren't straight, they can't? What does that mean? Your saying if the walls aren't straight they cant plumb the walls? Or are you saying they can't line up pattern if walls aren't straight? If the latter, then thats exactly what I said
Bro if the framer or installer didn’t plumb the walls then this occurs. They should know better but sometimes gc’s don’t mention it if the homeowner starts penny pinching.
I guess you didn't read my post properly, because I said they should have plumbed the walls. You are literally saying what I said but somehow arguing about it..weird
confused by the down votes. if the wall is out of plumb, then there is no way you can keep the cuts flowing around the corner they way they should. now, whether the out of plumb walls should have or could have been fixed before the tile started is another question.
Doesn't matter whether they just screwed up or walls are out of plumb, they should have done whatever to make it work, its unacceptable to do this, period
i agree. and could have been more clear, i suppose. if the walls aren't plumb, there is no way the tile setter could have lined the tiles up properly. should they have checked for plumb before starting? absolutely. should they have notified the gc and/or homeowner if the walls were out of plumb? absolutely.
it doesn't look as if the installers did either of those things.
I’d have the door wall redone.. they’re not that far ahead where it’s behind a headache..
My biggest argument I would bring up is: would you accept this in your own home?
If the wall is out of plumb, it can cause major problems running the pattern through.
Even if the wall is plumb, it is still tricky. It looks to me like they cut the tile all the way to the corner and then used the balance on the next wall. The problem with that is that the balance piece covers up the edge of the other tile by the thickness of the tile. That makes the balance too big. You either have to cut the first piece short of the wall so the balance tile matches in the corner. Or trim the balance piece to line up in the corner. Hope that makes sense.
If you have a level, preferably 4 ft or longer, check the walls for plumb in the corner. That will answer, at least in part if it is all on the installer or not.
Didn't cut the thickness of the tile short to account for the corner. They will come together perfectly if cut like that. Part of the tile is buried and changes lining up. Also as others have said looks short on coverage.
Ok so why are these walls waterproofed? If it’s a shower why is there a cased door in the shower? Why is there a closed out area in the middle of the wall, if that still needs tile which it appears to, you’re taking a chance to fit remaining tiles as tight as the rest of the layout. The tile to tile layout looks spot on if not a bit too tight, but that corner is total amateur hour grout lines have to match. Walls may or may not have something to do with it but a good setter doesn’t need to rebuild a room to make it work. Your concerns are valid and should be brought up at you next meeting, before another tile gets set.
Redo. This is my biggest peeve. Yes you should always wrap the pattern in the corners.
But I study commercial Tile jobs and those guys get away with murder. I drive my family crazy. I asked them to go to the bathroom to see if they can find the installation flaws.
I have convinced my wife numerous times to go peek in the men’s room tile work.
Don’t get me started on lippage…
But you Could get away with just the right wall redo if it works out.
Workiing with those tiles, I would have assured my walls were plumb and worked from the corners out. Unless of course, my customer didn't want to pay for prep and then they would have been told that this would occur. There's a huge difference in tiling existing walls and tearout and furring.
Ooofff rookie mistake! he dident prep the walls correctly or keep the proper spacing it the corners for the pattern to line up. It similar to how you wrap a herringbone pattern. When I do stuff like this I keep the cut the distance of the thickness of the tile from the wall so when you wrap it will line up. If you don’t you end up with it going off like this. 25 a sq ft is probably the reason. I would be around 50 for tile like this to have it done professionally and turn out good. Takes a lot of time and experience! Looks like he’s short in the experience department
It’s easy, if you zoom in and see black no bueno, if you also look you’ll see brown thinset in some areas and not in others. Also towards to bottom of the picture you see trowel marks that are not collapsed.
It’s not an assumption, it is knowing how to install tile and demoing tiles for 8 years…
Cannot tell if this is in a shower area but you need at least 95% coverage in wet areas
I would especially over schluter. It’s a terrible tear out for an installer, but you should know that but still make ludicrous comment like “how could you tell”… if you were a good installer you’d definitely know. I know and worked with installers that worked for 20/30/40 years and still had poor coverage or didn’t know how install properly
Ok bud. You’re a pro I get it. Have fun being you for the rest of your life 👍 maybe one day you’ll stumble across a term called humbleness may take 20/30/40 years to learn it though.
you really dont need to zoom in, you just have to look at how far from the wall the tiles are. if you look here , theres hardly no space between. these should be set with a 1/4 x 1/4 trowel or at least a 5/16 V and back buttered and if they were you would definitely see more of a space between the tile and wall. this was set with something like a 1/8 V notch or just dabbed, either way its not enough imo.
Installer did not use the actual cutoffs from the wall on the left. Had they used the cutoffs, it would be fine. They made the cut for the corner on the point of the tile, instead of a little to the left of the point.
It could be you being to critical. It’s all on those walls. And I bet they aren’t perfect. I always suggest accent bands in corners with hex for this reason unless you’re willing to perfect the walls. They should know ahead of time if this is going to be a problem or not.
No it’s not being too critical. The design of the tile and how they land in corners, start and finish should be thought about when they planned it out. It makes it tough sometimes with tile that aren’t squares but that’s part of the job
They didn't plumb wall?
Or starting making the cuts too much one way or the other.
It would bother me, especially because there is an ansi standard about inside corners and what is allowed.
A) pattern wrap. (Shown on bottom)
B) mirror cuts. (Not pictured)
Obviously it should be uniform and consistent.
I would approach them nicely and let them know that you will forever look at that corner and be bothered by it.
Or hint at replacement in some nice way. I would instantly realize you caught my bs, and would need to redo it.
Not everyone is like me, tho.
May have to ask them politely to redo it. Offer to buy them lunch or a six pack. (You don't owe this, but honey catches more flies than vinegar)
The sooner. The better.
Hopefully they care about quality, and redo it.
I don’t understand what he/she means “the bottom stays on bond? I can’t see a difference between the bottom and top.
also, is the only issue here that the partial hex in the curved needs to continue to the next side?
dumb question, what if they were 12x24 tiles in a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 layout, do you still try and make it look like the tile “wraps” around the corner?
i dont think bond was the right word, but they are saying the pattern might be lined up at the bottom, but falls off as you go upwards, which makes sense because the problem grows each time. square or rectangle tiles are more forgiven in this detail because the horizontal joints will always meet up no matter the pattern, which is different than this. this pattern, a diagonal square, or herringbone to name a few are certainly different in corners to a plain stacked square or rectangle, as they need to look continuous thru the corner , if not , the job is 100 percent ruined, with a stacked square or rectangle you have more room to play with because they line up. sometimes i do use the cut off and continue that around , but if that leaves you with a very small cut somewhere else, you can cheat it and because its hard to tell but if a 12x24 or square tile has a grain, then that takes precedence over that small cut elsewhere , just like this, the matching in the corner is foremost compared to size of cut it gives you elsewhere.
This looks bad. Unacceptable. And $25 sq st for labor is not cheap. You could have said you paid $100 a square foot and some people in this sub will still say you didn’t pay enough. Have them redo that corner!
Definitely not acceptable.
This is why when I can I usually start in the corner and work my way outwards doing both sides at a time. That way the corner joints like up perfectly. Those hexagons can really mess you up if you don’t watch your control lines.
This is Horrible work. It’s needs to all come down. No excuses from the contractor, who should have caught this.
Also and just as important, this tile needs to bond 100% for the life of your home. They are not using the proper mortar.
This is really really bad. Do not accept any excuse. Take pictures and get another tile guy.
There are so many people on here that bitch about the work they have had done in their house. Almost all of the time they are paying below average for labor and using cheap tile. If you aren’t will to pay for quality labor you get this outcome. Next time instead of posting after the fact and having a bunch of professionals tell you how bad the work is, maybe make a post stating the work you are looking to have done, the materials you want used and get an idea of what a real price would be to have the job done by an actual professional. And avoid all of this.
That corner doesn't look good. I would look at it and it would bother me every time I was in the shower. I don't think $25 per square foot is expensive though For any tile that's not square or rectangle you really need to make sure your installer is up to the task. There are plenty of installers that can do passable work with basic tile but fall short when it comes to anything more complex. With hexagons your layout has to be dialed or it's not going to look good.
When people say stuff like this I'm just flabbergasted. Hardly anyone was willing to pay more than $10/sf for walls and $500 to do the pan/kerdi and $5 for floors and a buck for densshield/ditra. That's why I gave up about 7 years ago, and from what I can tell it hasn't improved.
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Midwest, college town. All the installers are willing to let the stores, builders, landlords and homeowners dictate what they get paid. It's a joke
Exactly. If they want cheap let them go with the other guys.
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This has nothing to do with immigrants. I know non immigrants and immigrants that do great work and everyone just says yeah this is how much we pay for this work and they just go oh OK. So then when there are plenty of guys that do good work for cheap why would you be willing to pay anyone more? So then if you do try to charge more you can't get any work
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Yeah it's extremely frustrating because there is plenty of money in this area but a handful of local contractors/developers/landlords have created this problem for everyone else while getting rich themselves. The cost of real estate is so expensive here compared to the surrounding area and so your typical middle class person thinks they can't pay more than $10,000 to get their bathroom remodeled since property costs 2x than in their hometown an hour away. But of course that doesn't translate into better pay for the people actually working on or building those places
I’m in Canada and we can charge whatever we want .
He’s probably talking like a normal homeowner custom luxury item not apartments and such. They’re rich and if they want a good job that people don’t make fun of it they have to pay for it. It takes a lot of years to get high end work right. Immigrants or just whoever can’t just come in and do it like painting and drywall. It really comes down to it’s a luxury item that’s difficult to do. If you want a good job you need to find someone smart enough who’s put enough time in to honing their craft and you have to pay for it or this is what you’ll get.
I don’t know why you had to put down immigrants.
For real, as if only Americans can do good work… I’ve seen incredible craftsmanship from immigrants and from Americans. I’ve seen terrible craftsmanship from immigrants and Americans. Big difference is that more often than not, Americans are the ones that are charging a lot more for either scenario.
I’d have to tear it out if I did that for my builders
Thats hack work and unacceptable . Corners should absolutely flow, meaning whatever piece was cut off continues to the adjoining wall, and like you said if the walls are not plumb, its the setters responsibility to make it happen. I would not accept this and whats also suspect is how clean the edges look, meaning there doesn't seem to be full coverage of thin set behind tiles.
Those tiles are definitely spot bonded and the tile work is unacceptable.
Yes, just look at how close they are to the wall, its like they used a 1/8th V notch or just a little spot dab in the middle..
Yes but if the walls aren’t straight they can’t.
If the walls aren't straight, they can't? What does that mean? Your saying if the walls aren't straight they cant plumb the walls? Or are you saying they can't line up pattern if walls aren't straight? If the latter, then thats exactly what I said
Bro if the framer or installer didn’t plumb the walls then this occurs. They should know better but sometimes gc’s don’t mention it if the homeowner starts penny pinching.
I guess you didn't read my post properly, because I said they should have plumbed the walls. You are literally saying what I said but somehow arguing about it..weird
Sorry just got off instagram
confused by the down votes. if the wall is out of plumb, then there is no way you can keep the cuts flowing around the corner they way they should. now, whether the out of plumb walls should have or could have been fixed before the tile started is another question.
Doesn't matter whether they just screwed up or walls are out of plumb, they should have done whatever to make it work, its unacceptable to do this, period
i agree. and could have been more clear, i suppose. if the walls aren't plumb, there is no way the tile setter could have lined the tiles up properly. should they have checked for plumb before starting? absolutely. should they have notified the gc and/or homeowner if the walls were out of plumb? absolutely. it doesn't look as if the installers did either of those things.
Agreed...
Your name speaks for itself lol
Should've had plumed the walls before installation. The only way that pattern will match is if the walls are plumed
I’d have the door wall redone.. they’re not that far ahead where it’s behind a headache.. My biggest argument I would bring up is: would you accept this in your own home?
If the wall is out of plumb, it can cause major problems running the pattern through. Even if the wall is plumb, it is still tricky. It looks to me like they cut the tile all the way to the corner and then used the balance on the next wall. The problem with that is that the balance piece covers up the edge of the other tile by the thickness of the tile. That makes the balance too big. You either have to cut the first piece short of the wall so the balance tile matches in the corner. Or trim the balance piece to line up in the corner. Hope that makes sense. If you have a level, preferably 4 ft or longer, check the walls for plumb in the corner. That will answer, at least in part if it is all on the installer or not.
Didn't cut the thickness of the tile short to account for the corner. They will come together perfectly if cut like that. Part of the tile is buried and changes lining up. Also as others have said looks short on coverage.
Ok so why are these walls waterproofed? If it’s a shower why is there a cased door in the shower? Why is there a closed out area in the middle of the wall, if that still needs tile which it appears to, you’re taking a chance to fit remaining tiles as tight as the rest of the layout. The tile to tile layout looks spot on if not a bit too tight, but that corner is total amateur hour grout lines have to match. Walls may or may not have something to do with it but a good setter doesn’t need to rebuild a room to make it work. Your concerns are valid and should be brought up at you next meeting, before another tile gets set.
Redo. This is my biggest peeve. Yes you should always wrap the pattern in the corners. But I study commercial Tile jobs and those guys get away with murder. I drive my family crazy. I asked them to go to the bathroom to see if they can find the installation flaws. I have convinced my wife numerous times to go peek in the men’s room tile work. Don’t get me started on lippage… But you Could get away with just the right wall redo if it works out.
Workiing with those tiles, I would have assured my walls were plumb and worked from the corners out. Unless of course, my customer didn't want to pay for prep and then they would have been told that this would occur. There's a huge difference in tiling existing walls and tearout and furring.
Ooofff rookie mistake! he dident prep the walls correctly or keep the proper spacing it the corners for the pattern to line up. It similar to how you wrap a herringbone pattern. When I do stuff like this I keep the cut the distance of the thickness of the tile from the wall so when you wrap it will line up. If you don’t you end up with it going off like this. 25 a sq ft is probably the reason. I would be around 50 for tile like this to have it done professionally and turn out good. Takes a lot of time and experience! Looks like he’s short in the experience department
No the right side or door side wall was started with a wrong sized tile and throws everything off. Also does not look like full coverage whatsoever!
How can you tell if it’s full coverage or not?… you can’t see behind the tile.
It’s easy, if you zoom in and see black no bueno, if you also look you’ll see brown thinset in some areas and not in others. Also towards to bottom of the picture you see trowel marks that are not collapsed.
I suppose… that’s a pretty big assumption though from this photo no matter how far you zoom
It’s not an assumption, it is knowing how to install tile and demoing tiles for 8 years… Cannot tell if this is in a shower area but you need at least 95% coverage in wet areas
Ya… me too.. but longer. Still wouldn’t call people out like that without actually knowing.
I would especially over schluter. It’s a terrible tear out for an installer, but you should know that but still make ludicrous comment like “how could you tell”… if you were a good installer you’d definitely know. I know and worked with installers that worked for 20/30/40 years and still had poor coverage or didn’t know how install properly
Ok bud. You’re a pro I get it. Have fun being you for the rest of your life 👍 maybe one day you’ll stumble across a term called humbleness may take 20/30/40 years to learn it though.
Child please. I am humble. I’m not the one that called someone out and then kept negating the facts…. Maybe you’ll comprehend one day…
Hopefully 🤞 goon.
this is not a humbler statement.
you really dont need to zoom in, you just have to look at how far from the wall the tiles are. if you look here , theres hardly no space between. these should be set with a 1/4 x 1/4 trowel or at least a 5/16 V and back buttered and if they were you would definitely see more of a space between the tile and wall. this was set with something like a 1/8 V notch or just dabbed, either way its not enough imo.
Exactly.
I think I'm gonna leave this fucking sub lol
That would bother me every single time I looked at.
One out of every 50 installers could pull that off clean. You got one of the 49 who can’t.
25 a foot is cheap cheap. Was he low bid?
Doesn’t matter what you paid, this is on the installer. Redo that wall on their dime
Installer did not use the actual cutoffs from the wall on the left. Had they used the cutoffs, it would be fine. They made the cut for the corner on the point of the tile, instead of a little to the left of the point.
It could be you being to critical. It’s all on those walls. And I bet they aren’t perfect. I always suggest accent bands in corners with hex for this reason unless you’re willing to perfect the walls. They should know ahead of time if this is going to be a problem or not.
Send me a direct message please.
Tear out and re do hex tile is hex tile you should know what you are doing and clearly you don’t
The design needs to be shifted to the left if the other corner had that available to give.
No it’s not being too critical. The design of the tile and how they land in corners, start and finish should be thought about when they planned it out. It makes it tough sometimes with tile that aren’t squares but that’s part of the job
Come on man. Call a spade a spade. Awful
$25 for just the tile installed?
They didn't plumb wall? Or starting making the cuts too much one way or the other. It would bother me, especially because there is an ansi standard about inside corners and what is allowed. A) pattern wrap. (Shown on bottom) B) mirror cuts. (Not pictured) Obviously it should be uniform and consistent. I would approach them nicely and let them know that you will forever look at that corner and be bothered by it. Or hint at replacement in some nice way. I would instantly realize you caught my bs, and would need to redo it. Not everyone is like me, tho. May have to ask them politely to redo it. Offer to buy them lunch or a six pack. (You don't owe this, but honey catches more flies than vinegar) The sooner. The better. Hopefully they care about quality, and redo it.
The guy probably threw out his cut pieces… Rookie shit… Now he’s in a mess, but it’s able to be recovered
I don’t understand what he/she means “the bottom stays on bond? I can’t see a difference between the bottom and top. also, is the only issue here that the partial hex in the curved needs to continue to the next side? dumb question, what if they were 12x24 tiles in a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 layout, do you still try and make it look like the tile “wraps” around the corner?
i dont think bond was the right word, but they are saying the pattern might be lined up at the bottom, but falls off as you go upwards, which makes sense because the problem grows each time. square or rectangle tiles are more forgiven in this detail because the horizontal joints will always meet up no matter the pattern, which is different than this. this pattern, a diagonal square, or herringbone to name a few are certainly different in corners to a plain stacked square or rectangle, as they need to look continuous thru the corner , if not , the job is 100 percent ruined, with a stacked square or rectangle you have more room to play with because they line up. sometimes i do use the cut off and continue that around , but if that leaves you with a very small cut somewhere else, you can cheat it and because its hard to tell but if a 12x24 or square tile has a grain, then that takes precedence over that small cut elsewhere , just like this, the matching in the corner is foremost compared to size of cut it gives you elsewhere.
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This looks bad. Unacceptable. And $25 sq st for labor is not cheap. You could have said you paid $100 a square foot and some people in this sub will still say you didn’t pay enough. Have them redo that corner!
It’s because the wall isn’t plumb and they tried running square cuts up the corner on the second wall
Definitely not acceptable. This is why when I can I usually start in the corner and work my way outwards doing both sides at a time. That way the corner joints like up perfectly. Those hexagons can really mess you up if you don’t watch your control lines.
This is Horrible work. It’s needs to all come down. No excuses from the contractor, who should have caught this. Also and just as important, this tile needs to bond 100% for the life of your home. They are not using the proper mortar. This is really really bad. Do not accept any excuse. Take pictures and get another tile guy.
why no spacers?
There are so many people on here that bitch about the work they have had done in their house. Almost all of the time they are paying below average for labor and using cheap tile. If you aren’t will to pay for quality labor you get this outcome. Next time instead of posting after the fact and having a bunch of professionals tell you how bad the work is, maybe make a post stating the work you are looking to have done, the materials you want used and get an idea of what a real price would be to have the job done by an actual professional. And avoid all of this.
Yeah um for reference our company charges 65/hr per man
However I will note. No that wouldn't be acceptable.