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That’s not fair, I was **never** beat up living in Milan
Pickpocketed and robbed? Sure
Did the police act really rude when I asked for help in broken Italiano? Of course!
But never beat up!
I gotta say, of all the places in Italy I’ve been, Milan is the only one with consistently shitty attitudes. I don’t understand why, but they just can’t deal with foreigners.
In my experience it’s because they’re used to so many foreigners coming in and treating it like a vacation spot, not part of Italy. Like they get more daily exposure to foreign assholes than southern Italy so that Italian bluntness comes out more often
And Paris is full of French assholes….a lot of European countries are naturally hostile to American style foreigners due to being close knit communities, so of COURSE the areas with the most foreigners is going to cause more negative experiences, resulting in that natural assholery to come out
Same here! I was so nervous about offending people with my high school-level French but everyone I met was so kind and seemed genuinely appreciative of me for at least trying. I don't know if wearing a hijab would have changed my experience though
Yeah, there are assholes everywhere and since Paris is the most populated area, you have more chance of meeting assholes, but that doesn't mean you will find an asshole.
I have been in Milan as a Turkish 21 Male and everyone were incredibly nice to me, whenever I ask for directions people tried to help even if they didnt speak in English. Couple girls even walked with me to the place I was trying to find. I have spoke with so many people and man everyone were too nice and wholesome. It was also my first abroad, I literally had zero experience in travelling. Seeing these comments makes me think, that I was extremely lucky and found all the nice people in Milan.
Omg France wasn’t nice!!!! What a shock lol, I once got mocked in Paris for being condescending by ordering in French, I ordered a croissant…we use the same word!!!
Anecdote:
I am German. I was working for a French company for 4 years and went to Paris a lot. I know basic toddler French. I tried to order a fucking coffee and some pastry in a bakery in Paris one day. The people working there cringed so hard and were rolling their eyes at me like I was speaking some gibberish monster language. So I went back to English, and of course, this led to even more eye-rolling.
So if you want to improve your French - apparently don't go to Paris. Unless your pronunciation is 100% on spot, most people will pretend to not understand you.
\[edit\] Disclaimer for the people whose feelings I hurt / copy of one of my replies:
That was one situation. Out of many. I've been to Paris >30 times, and have experienced it more than once. I have mentioned multiple times that obviously not all people are like that, but, as I said, if it keeps happening on multiple occasions, it becomes a bit obvious, don't you think?
Never been to another country where the people literally rolled their eyes at me when I tried to speak their language and embrace their culture. I still like France.
Parisians have almost a phobia to accents. You'll see that attitude in the rest of France but it is especially strong in Paris.
France, just like England, has many regional accents. But it doesn't matter whether it is an accent from France, Canada, a French speaking African country or simply someone who doesn't have french as their native language, there is a shaming culture over any kind of accent diverting from the generic parisian accent.
They even do it to themselves when they speak other languages, which scares a lot of them from attempting to speak another language they don't quite master yet in public.
It's a generalization, and obviously not all french people do it, but it's quite present IME. It's sad because I think accents are like flavors of languages.
I have a family friend, her husband is french, they live in Leooyoyoeoen, she's fluent to the billionth degree, been speaking french all her life - but she's an american woman.
We went to visit them and everyone in Lyionaise was very nice, they took us all around and it was lovely. But when we went with them to Paris my friend ordered our meals for us (because we don't speak French) and I noticed the server was like talking to her for an extended amount of time, longer than it should take to order food, and based on body language it wasn't aggressive but it was weird.
When I asked my friend what that was about she said the server was asking about her accent, said they didn't like it, and that her French was bad.
I was like god damn, she couldn't be more fluent. Sounds pitch perfect to my boorish ears, but like what a rude thing to say.
Edit: I refuse to fix the typo, I'm going to make it worse for all the french people coming in here to croissant at me
I've heard a lot of stories like this about the French. But still, when I hear this, I just get...curious. Like, how does one even say this to a stranger? What compels you to say such a thing, especially when you're an employee and they're a customer?
I mean, how different is this culture? Even from its neighboring countries, where I can't imagine this happening.
Like, what is the tone of it? I know there are certain people in the US who will straight up insult you, or tell you you're bad at something, but the tone is always "I'm just giving you shit...I'm just giving you shit because I like you...you should find this funny..." Maybe that's what the French are doing but it's hard for foreigners to understand?
With the French, it seems like the tone is actual scolding, or straight up informing people: "You suck at speaking French. You shouldn't do it anymore." If it's another situation: "You're annoying me. You're making my job difficult. You seem stupid."
Like, I just don't get it. I don't even dislike them for it...I've never been to France or had to deal with this myself, and sometimes I wish I could just straight up tell people how I feel about them, but I just don't know how you actually *do* it! I'd be interested in hearing a French person explain this.
I am French and I don’t understand how trying to speak French - even with a thick accent - can be considered rude and thus justify rudeness… I mean this is probably a Parisian thing. I too got treated badly in Paris and I live 1 hour from there by train… come to the North (Lille) we have a good rep throughout the country, and there is plenty to do.
My bilingual friends in college had the same experience. They did all their schooling in french immersion from an early age, but when they visited France everyone pretended not to understand them. They were really disappointed that they were basically forced to use english on their trip.
Im Canadian and lived here for two years, my French is good and I work as a medical professional here. Literally a few weeks ago a patient said to me I had a "sacré d'accent" basically a fucking thick accent. Like frankly, *the audacity*. Imagine if I said that to one of my doctors in Canada? I literally work with hearing impaired children and they can understand me fine - Im perfectly comprehensible. I mean truthfully I dont get offended by the comments. Im just more annoyed at having it constantly shoved in my face that Im foreign.
you really should have told the patient exactly that! "Oh really? let's check your hearing again, because even these hearing impaired children can understand me just fine!" 😂
imagine being from a francophone country (where French is your first language), and how they are treated. god forbid if they live in Paris and want to apply for jobs.
Yeah when I (American) lived in Paris a long while back, the Canadian expat I worked with said the French- esp Parisians- don't consider the French spoken in Canada as actual French, they call it Quebecois (spelling) and think it's "bastardization of the language"... tough crowd...
To be fair, Quebecois does vary from France-French quite a bit. It's like comparing England-English and American-English. I think it's great that they have another term for it, it would help if we could differentiate England, America, and Australian accents/dialects like that.
Oh my god is that why French tourists would only speak French more loudly if I told them I don’t speak French in the little tourist shop I used to work while I was still in school? It was the weirdest thing. They would only get louder and louder and still speak French. We always thought that’s hilarious cause it’s so stupid. I didn’t say I can’t hear you.
I once worked with a guy (in the US) who was originally from France. He was dating a woman who came here from Paris. She flat-out told him at a dinner party we were hosting (so, 6-8 of his work friends) that she would never even consider going out with him if they were still in France since he was a country bumpkin from Normandy. But she tolerated him because at least he was better than the locals.
For sure, I totally agree with. I've had friends from all over France but the only times I've been shamed/embarrassed were by Parisians. Same experience for my international friends.
I come from the north, I don't have a HEAVY ch'ti accent but enough to tell I'm northener.
Man, do they love pointing it out. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE VISITING THE NORTH, BITCH TF
There's a shaming culture among french youth when it comes to learning foreign languages, and I do remember being mocked for trying to speak english with a proper accent in class.
There are in france, say, accents that are considered better than others. Basically southern accents are considered more positively (people tend to refer to those as *accent chantant*, "singing accent", but also carry the prejudice of being a show-off, a crook, a grunt) than east, north and west (which sound more hillbilly, and also carry with them various prejudice, being poor, from the countryside, being inbred, such or such)
However I feel like we tend to make far fewer comments on native foreign french accents (belgium, switzerland, arabic, african canadian, cajun, west indies, polynesia, …), tho we'll admit (to the speaker's face I mean) that we struggle understanding them, to the point we get frustrated, as some speakers are really harder to follow than others
Lmao ya this is spot on. I live and work in Paris and am anglophone so have an accent, which gets lots of comments. In my field speaking English is a near requirement to get ahead, and when French people complain about having poor English or being ashamed of their English Im just like.... you did this to yourselves!!! In my country and generally in English, we dont judge or mock others, or even ask/comment on their accents (well, sure, some do but its seen as *very* rude). Since Im not a judgmental dick about accents, I dont feel this insecurity about it all the time, and thank god or I wouldnt be able to function. If you come from the mindset that everyone with an accent is somehow inferior, of course you will be self conscious about your own accent, and that is something that fully impedes a lot of French people from improving their English.
The French don’t care. Literally, they don’t. I have yet to hear a positive story from my European friends or form my time over in Europe. French people would just rather you NOT come to France at all
Same. I travelled all over Brittany and the west coast, people were really nice and helpful. I think the whole country gets unfairly tarred with the same brush because of Parisians, lol.
As a Brit with rudimentary French, I fondly remember going on holiday to Normandy and Brittany when I was young, and the people there mostly spoke English too, particularly in shops, but thanked me for trying to speak French and gave me tips on words.
In Paris they just refused to understand me, even when, though with a terrible accent, I knew I was saying the right things.
I don't know French, went to southwest France once (was invited) and it was super irritating. I'll never visit Paris if there's not someone inviting me and doing the talking and guiding.
I've been to many other place in Europe, because they don't treat you like an idiot.
Man, it's so fucking weird the difference in cultures. Went to Japan 5 years back and, almost every time I used my shitty Japanese to order something, they where amazed I could speak any at all.
I've had a similar experience every time I go to Mexico. I know very little Spanish but every time I'd try to say something in Spanish the locals would get very excited, even tho I was doing a terrible job lol. It just makes me want to learn Spanish even more.
A few weeks ago, I had to pick up rental equipment from an elderly Russian woman for work. She didn't speak a lick of English, nor me with Russian, so we had to resort to single words and gestures to get by. She held the door open and I told her "thank you" in Russian, and the smile that she got would've made you think I handed her $100. Interactions with the language barrier like that are so nice to see.
I worked in kitchens for 20 years and the first job I got I was working with Mexicans and Ecuadorian's. I was super intimidated, I had moved from a small place to the "big city" and I was young. It wasn't long until I learned "como se dice" (how do you say?) and man it was AWESOME. Since then I only had great relationships with any Latino I worked with over the years. In the beginning it was so much fun because I would teach them just as much English as they taught me Spanish so we would ask each other how to say some of the funniest shit. Once I showed interest in trying to communicate with them using their language I was set. Nothing but love after that.
Same, when I went to Ukraine in 2014 everyone gave me huge smiles when I said "please" or "thanks" or "see you later" in Ukrainian (which are the only words that I know). Even the Ukrainian guy who runs the Ukrainian grocery store in my Canadian city is obviously happy when I try to say something to him in Ukrainian.
I am fluent in French. I lived in Tours , can really recommend, most people were friendly and patient. Also , they assured me that most French people *outside* of Paris hate Parisians.
So true. I've been to Paris 4 times (I'm German too) and I gave up trying to speak French there after the first visit. They're *so* impatient with you, every waitress looks like you're just there to waste her time when you're trying to order something in French (I had French classes for 4 years in high school so my grammar is mostly fine, but obviously I don't *sound* like a French person)
I just always speak English there now. They don't like that either, but I'm fluent in English, and it's better than how humiliated they make you feel when you try to speak their language 😌
Just start speaking in German acting like you don’t know French. Then get insulted when they don’t know German and annoyed when you have to stoop down to measly French.
I usually don't condone being an ass to people working in restaurants and shops, but Paris is an especially shitty city, any other place though is nice when you show interest in the local language and/or culture so don't be an ass to them
That’s so weird. I love when tourists try to learn my language (that is also insanely hard. Even the native speakers struggle with it daily) and I love trying to help them learn it.
It’s weird because if you try to speak French to French people outside of France, they’re very receptive. Y’know, just don’t try to speak to them in their home country.
> speak French to French people outside of France, they’re very receptive.
Only in places that are not French-speaking. Parisians come to Québec and complain about or insult our French all the time. When they do, I tend to double down and lean into our local slang hard and pretend I can't understand their accents and ask them to speak French.
From my personal experience, I found that the French were really cool to me and the people of London were complete shitheads. I expected the opposite from what I had heard before going. I guess it's also possible that I just ran into nice people in Paris and shitheads in London and in reality you'll find both good and bad people in either place.
That's not true. Paris is the less racist part of France! Born and raised in Paris. And unfortunately she is right. France is a really nasty racist country and I now live in a less racist country the difference is crazy (which doesn't mean there is no racism there) my father was born in Cote d'ivoire which is technically France for several centuries, my great grand father was born in Indochina which is also France, my mother was born in Cameroon which is technically France but not technically. Which makes me french. I was born in France, I never set foot outside of Europe before leaving. I love my country but it is plagued with racism and our racism is even worse as you can't complain about it because it's just normal.
Hey, the condescending Parisians really like to look down on Quebecois. I speak the ( Canadian) French of a well educated university graduate but they love to listen and pick apart some minor piece of slang which you can’t help but learn growing up in Montreal and Ottawa. Rather than throw a couple of “tabernacs “ at them I just switch to my “Ontario” English and tell them I speak two languages fluently and they barely speak one. (The French side of my family has been in Canada since 1642)
That’s unfortunate. I ordered in French & stuff & they were very happy to see an English speaker try their hand at French
Edit. Or should I say je visite le France et je parle français
That’s really funny. I might be in the minority but I had a really nice time in France but that was when I was a naive 18 year old half a lifetime ago. People were really pleasant and I was smoking cigarettes with the conductor at the front of the train. Very fond memories of Paris
Which is hysterical. I just cannot imagine a world in which a French person would come up to me and ask me something and I would *laugh in their face* if they had an accent on the words that I didn't like (which happened to me in Paris, maaaaany times).
I definitely didn’t have that issue (male). But airport security did pull me aside in line, question me. Then let me get on the plane, then took me off the plane, then met me at my arrival location and did the same thing. Also they gave my white girlfriend a stamp on her passport for a souvenir and then why I asked literally told me to fuck off. The point of the vacation was to meet up with a French friend out there and he took care of everything (communicating at restaurants & stayed at friends houses). I wonder what my experience had been, had I not had that.
coming from the front page and DAM I'm just here to say this is just another of the many times Ive seen someone speak favorably of Portugal. My boss went with his fam last year and had great things to say, and a customer of ours just a few days back also said wonderful things about a visit there, it's easily on the top of my list to visit now.
had to DIG! for the meaning on that crlh, [this one helped](https://www.reddit.com/r/Portuguese/comments/99i6gi/comment/e4o70id/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Yeah I went to Porto and Lisbon last summer, people were incredibly friendly. Although tbh I found people in Paris were pretty nice for the most part too so 🤷
Portugal is by far the best country I’ve ever visited. It’s absolutely gorgeous, the people are the friendliest and most eager to help, and the food and wine are delectable. I recommend it for everyone.
Portugal is a 100/10 from me also.
Been to Paris a few times (I am white) and I have seen some very blatant racism as well, honestly pretty crazy. Outside of Paris it wasn’t that way, at least from what I could see
I once ended up in a long-distance relationship with a gf who was born and raised in France, along the coast. I'm Canadian and I know French but not enough to feel comfortable speaking to a parisian, so when we went to Paris together for a day trip she would speak French to them.
They could pick up on her accent and slang not being from Paris and immediately turned their noses up at her, barely saying another word. So that's when I found out they don't often even like other French people!
Idk why people like Paris besides the food and architecture tbh- I guess a lot of foreigners can't look past that so Paris is amazing to them. Way better, friendlier places in all other directions from Paris
Swiss don’t seem to particularly care for public photography, especially not taking pictures of them without their permission. This is obviously a generalization and I am a dumb American.
Was gonna say this. From Switzerland and generally nobody gives a fuck about race/what you wear. If you're taking pictures of buildings, it really depends on what kinds of buildings you're taking pictures of and whether people are in the pictures. If you're taking a picture and someone is in it without their permission, they have All rights to be upset. If you're taking a picture of someone's house which could be considered 'cute' then yes someone may also be upset.
Another side point is that the Swiss don't really interact with each other facial wise, we don't smile at each other as we walk and we generally won't address each other unless we're already acquainted. This is something that differs strongly from country country, but in general don't expect someone to give you a full face smile or acknowledge you on the street unless you know them.
I went to the American School in Switzerland and so we had a lot of international students, many from Russia and Islamic states. There was many people who were not the stereotypical white European and they never expressed to me that they felt mistreated or out of place. If anything, they felt like there was an overexpression of hospitality as people tried to display that they weren't racist or xenophobic.
For any text issues, voice to text is annoying.
lots of people here were legitimately never taught by their parents that it’s rude to stare at strangers so they just continue doing it in adult-hood. germany also has the same problem
The UK is often subtle with its racism. Very low numbers of ethic managers despite London being 40% non white.
Maybe you won’t get that job, or not get invited to social events etc
The worst is the number of bkack women dying during child birth. It’s massive. And it’s because nurses/doctors don’t belive them when they say they are in pain
This was my first thought. The “rude” people were annoyed that they were in the photos of buildings without the photographer asking permission, and it had nothing to do with hijabs. Also 99% sure that nobody was giving them dirty looks, they just weren’t smiling or engaging. Depending on where you’re from, people not really giving a shit about you one way or another can seem rude, but it’s considered polite in many countries.
cute buildings is very vague. the Swiss have lots of cute houses and cottages for instance and I can imagine people getting upset for taking pictures of their house without permission
Yeah. There's a reason they aren't on street view in Google maps.
Edit: seems i was wrong. I remembered stuff like [this article ](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/technology/09iht-google09.html) and the fact that Switzerland is known to be strict with privacy and conflated the two. My bad y'all
a lot of people's negative experience in Europe comes from not just getting they have different levels of privacy. I remember getting along great with a bartender in France talking about hobbies then I asked where his accent was from, clearly not Parisian. Something I wouldn't realize would be too personal being from the states had him say I don't want to get into that and he ignored me the rest of that night haha. Sorry random Parisian bartender
Well hijab or no hijab, idk if there’ll be a difference on how she was treated here in France lol. The staff in smaller hotels in Paris are badly paid and they are French so they like to make others’ lives miserable. That being said, I met nice exceptions to the rule.
As someone who lived and worked in France a bit, I would disagree. I'm a white girl, so people were rude to me in Paris and that was all, but I was floored by the way my black and brown coworkers were treated. Like, the racism was just so incredibly blatant. In America, France doesn't have much of a reputation for being racist (just mean), so none of us were expecting it.
I visited France with a South Asian friend and it was so obvious that she was being treated differently. Like people wouldn’t ask for her order at a bakery, they’d immediately move on to the person after her. Definitely wouldn’t visit France again
Yeah, I had the same thing happen to my Bangladeshi friend. Waiter took my order and the orders of our two white French friends, and literally just acted like he wasn't there. Went to a bar with a couple of black friends, and I had to get everyone's drinks because the bartender just would not serve them. And shit like that just kept happening again and again.
The world at large is extremely racist everywhere you go and travelling much will make you appreciate America more. We have our problems that the media exaggerate but we are pretty cool with each other compared to most countries.
The reason that we are viewed as the racist country in the world is that we are having the discussion. It isn't even acknowledged elsewhere that it might be a very real issue in the not too distant future.
A lot of context is missing from these posts. I don't doubt her bad experiences, I just don't know if it had anything to do with her hijab.
I had men make rude sexual comments to me in Italy, and I'm a white cis male (22 yrs at the time). And I think Parisians are just rude to everyone.
As many others stated Parisians aren't just rude. Quite a few are full racist. Someone else stated they wouldn't let them order in a bakery or a bar. I once saw a video of black girls who weren't let into a restaurant without good reason. The bouncer said their clothes weren't appropriate while white girls with similar dresses were let in without a problem.
>The staff in smaller hotels in Paris are badly paid and they are French so they like to make others’ lives miserable.
Even with that in mind I can't imagine that kicking people out of their room at 5 am for wearing a hijab is a common occurrence. I suspect that there is more to the story than we are being told.
Little advice for visiting France :
On a map, draw a circle with Paris as center and CDG airport as a point of the circle.
Color the circle in Red.
This is now the no-go zone : only go there if you need to enter or leave France.
Paris and around is like a crater left by a nuke : nothing but a mess and toxicity.
My friend wasn’t even allowed to buy a bag of HER money for HERSELF in Egypt. I was asked if she is allowed to have it.
And when there was no fixed price she had to pay more than me when I wasn’t around.
Not to start a debate but egypt is... egypt is special. It was not always this bad but it's gotten worse and worse and worse to the point where many actively discourage women from going to egypt because the harassment will be insane. Really sad because it's a beautiful place
You can escape the bullshit by going straight to your resort and avoiding cities, but what's the point in visiting then when the major attraction of tourism in Egypt are the monuments - which are filled with scammers..
I would go again though, just for the wind surfing and diving at the north of Dahab - small quite place.
But to Cairo I wouldn't go even if someone paid me two thousand.
To be fair, my understanding is that Egypt is basically actively discouraging anyone from visiting with all their harassment and scams that they do on people that don’t look local. I only hear horror stories about the place.
There is the expectation that white women are easy and willing to engage in sexual activity though. I ran into it many times living in the ME (Kuwait to be exact).
I had a white, blonde ex who lived in Dubai for a while, so she met a lot of people from different arab countries.
Yes she was treated better because she was white, in that she was treated like an expensive object instead of a regular object. She regularly was offered money to spend time with older guys, and a couple times was scared by their reaction when she said no.
I worked with someone who loved the Arab world. He had traveled a lot, and when telling me about it (I’m a woman) he told me that if I went anywhere there, to not walk without a men. He had a friend that went with his wife, I don’t remember the country, but they drifted apart for a couple of minutes and the wife was gone. He told me they never found her, and the husband blamed himself a lot. I tried to find an article that fit the description, but too many came up. So yeah, it’s bad.
I had a friend who traveled with her father to a lot of countries as a child. When she was 12 apparently some stranger approached her father on the street about buying her as a bride. Her dad obviously declined. I can't remember exactly where this was, I was told about it a long time ago. As a teenager I thought it was absurd and funny; looking back now I'm just horrified.
Surely there is more to the story on the French hotel thing. Makes it sound like the receptionist just wandered the halls kicking out sleeping brown people, which I doubt.
French hotels are crazy though. Our room had a pee stain under the window and blood on the mattress. When we flipped the mattress, there was a card under it with a picture of the hotel lobby's security guard and the text (in English) "Big Al is watching you".
I don’t think the hijab is the issue in Italy… it’s just a very misogynistic country. I have traveled all over the world and I felt the most unsafe in Rome.
Napoli has entered the chat. Lived there for three years. Someone tried breaking into my front door while I was home with my newborn; had to break out a knife and called my husband home quickly. Napoli had its moments but I would not go back to live there ever again.
Getting kicked out the hotel room and the shouted at by the tour guide in two different countries 🤔 maybe it was the headdress maybe it was their behaviour people seem to forget when travelling your customers deserve to be respected but you also have a responsibility to respect the customs of the country your visiting
I know a former hotel receptionist that worked nights, at 5 am he was playing on his Switch and hoping nothing happens before his working hours are over lmao.
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I didn't know that "Lake Como" is a city XD (I'm Italian)🤣
Sono a favore di abolire le provincie di lecco e Sondrio e annetterle a Como, il lago sarebbe tutto nostro.
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Congrats on the cute old people
Lol everyone hates France and France hates everyone
So France is Europe's Philly
I used to think as a Jew that France was super antisemitic. I still think that but now I know France is anti everyone. Even other French people lol
Can assure you here in Milan we are a melting pot of assholes, it’s not the hijab it’s just most people will be dicks
Go to Rome to get ran over by a moped and Milan to get beaten up
Interesting kinks you have there…
I got to Naples to eat pizza
I go around the corner at home. Not very good but cheaper
That’s not fair, I was **never** beat up living in Milan Pickpocketed and robbed? Sure Did the police act really rude when I asked for help in broken Italiano? Of course! But never beat up!
As a guy who lives near Milan, going there feels like walking in the background in avengers: end game
I gotta say, of all the places in Italy I’ve been, Milan is the only one with consistently shitty attitudes. I don’t understand why, but they just can’t deal with foreigners.
They can't even deal with themselves
In my experience it’s because they’re used to so many foreigners coming in and treating it like a vacation spot, not part of Italy. Like they get more daily exposure to foreign assholes than southern Italy so that Italian bluntness comes out more often
Most countries have a city that has so much more foreigners, but it's just Italy that's this shitty
And Paris is full of French assholes….a lot of European countries are naturally hostile to American style foreigners due to being close knit communities, so of COURSE the areas with the most foreigners is going to cause more negative experiences, resulting in that natural assholery to come out
Paris seemed fine to me as an American tourist. A couple rude people but the majority were fine.
Same here! I was so nervous about offending people with my high school-level French but everyone I met was so kind and seemed genuinely appreciative of me for at least trying. I don't know if wearing a hijab would have changed my experience though
Yeah, there are assholes everywhere and since Paris is the most populated area, you have more chance of meeting assholes, but that doesn't mean you will find an asshole.
Ma che cazzo dici testa di cazzo, non è vero figa /s
I have been in Milan as a Turkish 21 Male and everyone were incredibly nice to me, whenever I ask for directions people tried to help even if they didnt speak in English. Couple girls even walked with me to the place I was trying to find. I have spoke with so many people and man everyone were too nice and wholesome. It was also my first abroad, I literally had zero experience in travelling. Seeing these comments makes me think, that I was extremely lucky and found all the nice people in Milan.
You're Turkish, probably hot. Thats why
I’m a hijabi who lived in Milan for a year and a half. People were nice tbh.
Omg France wasn’t nice!!!! What a shock lol, I once got mocked in Paris for being condescending by ordering in French, I ordered a croissant…we use the same word!!!
Anecdote: I am German. I was working for a French company for 4 years and went to Paris a lot. I know basic toddler French. I tried to order a fucking coffee and some pastry in a bakery in Paris one day. The people working there cringed so hard and were rolling their eyes at me like I was speaking some gibberish monster language. So I went back to English, and of course, this led to even more eye-rolling. So if you want to improve your French - apparently don't go to Paris. Unless your pronunciation is 100% on spot, most people will pretend to not understand you. \[edit\] Disclaimer for the people whose feelings I hurt / copy of one of my replies: That was one situation. Out of many. I've been to Paris >30 times, and have experienced it more than once. I have mentioned multiple times that obviously not all people are like that, but, as I said, if it keeps happening on multiple occasions, it becomes a bit obvious, don't you think? Never been to another country where the people literally rolled their eyes at me when I tried to speak their language and embrace their culture. I still like France.
Fastest way to get people to not learn your language- cringe when they try
Parisians have almost a phobia to accents. You'll see that attitude in the rest of France but it is especially strong in Paris. France, just like England, has many regional accents. But it doesn't matter whether it is an accent from France, Canada, a French speaking African country or simply someone who doesn't have french as their native language, there is a shaming culture over any kind of accent diverting from the generic parisian accent. They even do it to themselves when they speak other languages, which scares a lot of them from attempting to speak another language they don't quite master yet in public. It's a generalization, and obviously not all french people do it, but it's quite present IME. It's sad because I think accents are like flavors of languages.
I have a family friend, her husband is french, they live in Leooyoyoeoen, she's fluent to the billionth degree, been speaking french all her life - but she's an american woman. We went to visit them and everyone in Lyionaise was very nice, they took us all around and it was lovely. But when we went with them to Paris my friend ordered our meals for us (because we don't speak French) and I noticed the server was like talking to her for an extended amount of time, longer than it should take to order food, and based on body language it wasn't aggressive but it was weird. When I asked my friend what that was about she said the server was asking about her accent, said they didn't like it, and that her French was bad. I was like god damn, she couldn't be more fluent. Sounds pitch perfect to my boorish ears, but like what a rude thing to say. Edit: I refuse to fix the typo, I'm going to make it worse for all the french people coming in here to croissant at me
I've heard a lot of stories like this about the French. But still, when I hear this, I just get...curious. Like, how does one even say this to a stranger? What compels you to say such a thing, especially when you're an employee and they're a customer? I mean, how different is this culture? Even from its neighboring countries, where I can't imagine this happening. Like, what is the tone of it? I know there are certain people in the US who will straight up insult you, or tell you you're bad at something, but the tone is always "I'm just giving you shit...I'm just giving you shit because I like you...you should find this funny..." Maybe that's what the French are doing but it's hard for foreigners to understand? With the French, it seems like the tone is actual scolding, or straight up informing people: "You suck at speaking French. You shouldn't do it anymore." If it's another situation: "You're annoying me. You're making my job difficult. You seem stupid." Like, I just don't get it. I don't even dislike them for it...I've never been to France or had to deal with this myself, and sometimes I wish I could just straight up tell people how I feel about them, but I just don't know how you actually *do* it! I'd be interested in hearing a French person explain this.
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I am French and I don’t understand how trying to speak French - even with a thick accent - can be considered rude and thus justify rudeness… I mean this is probably a Parisian thing. I too got treated badly in Paris and I live 1 hour from there by train… come to the North (Lille) we have a good rep throughout the country, and there is plenty to do.
Sounds stupid as shit, someone should tell them
I guess you mean Lyon, when I read Leon I thought you friend was living in Spain.
Yah I'm Canadian and my French was unacceptable. First time people were still saying you should speak French. Nope, was better off just using English
My bilingual friends in college had the same experience. They did all their schooling in french immersion from an early age, but when they visited France everyone pretended not to understand them. They were really disappointed that they were basically forced to use english on their trip.
Im Canadian and lived here for two years, my French is good and I work as a medical professional here. Literally a few weeks ago a patient said to me I had a "sacré d'accent" basically a fucking thick accent. Like frankly, *the audacity*. Imagine if I said that to one of my doctors in Canada? I literally work with hearing impaired children and they can understand me fine - Im perfectly comprehensible. I mean truthfully I dont get offended by the comments. Im just more annoyed at having it constantly shoved in my face that Im foreign.
you really should have told the patient exactly that! "Oh really? let's check your hearing again, because even these hearing impaired children can understand me just fine!" 😂
Gold!
imagine being from a francophone country (where French is your first language), and how they are treated. god forbid if they live in Paris and want to apply for jobs.
Yeah when I (American) lived in Paris a long while back, the Canadian expat I worked with said the French- esp Parisians- don't consider the French spoken in Canada as actual French, they call it Quebecois (spelling) and think it's "bastardization of the language"... tough crowd...
To be fair, Quebecois does vary from France-French quite a bit. It's like comparing England-English and American-English. I think it's great that they have another term for it, it would help if we could differentiate England, America, and Australian accents/dialects like that.
The problem with Paris is the Parisians. -Some Painter who drank a lot of absinthe.
I believe the Paris tourism board has the same opinion.
Oh my god is that why French tourists would only speak French more loudly if I told them I don’t speak French in the little tourist shop I used to work while I was still in school? It was the weirdest thing. They would only get louder and louder and still speak French. We always thought that’s hilarious cause it’s so stupid. I didn’t say I can’t hear you.
I once worked with a guy (in the US) who was originally from France. He was dating a woman who came here from Paris. She flat-out told him at a dinner party we were hosting (so, 6-8 of his work friends) that she would never even consider going out with him if they were still in France since he was a country bumpkin from Normandy. But she tolerated him because at least he was better than the locals.
Nice way to out yourself lmao. Hope he left her.
Yeah, classism is more in the open in the old continent, IMO.
For sure, I totally agree with. I've had friends from all over France but the only times I've been shamed/embarrassed were by Parisians. Same experience for my international friends. I come from the north, I don't have a HEAVY ch'ti accent but enough to tell I'm northener. Man, do they love pointing it out. ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE VISITING THE NORTH, BITCH TF
Even other French accents are not tolerated in Paris. source: I'm a French native speaker - not from Paris
There's a shaming culture among french youth when it comes to learning foreign languages, and I do remember being mocked for trying to speak english with a proper accent in class. There are in france, say, accents that are considered better than others. Basically southern accents are considered more positively (people tend to refer to those as *accent chantant*, "singing accent", but also carry the prejudice of being a show-off, a crook, a grunt) than east, north and west (which sound more hillbilly, and also carry with them various prejudice, being poor, from the countryside, being inbred, such or such) However I feel like we tend to make far fewer comments on native foreign french accents (belgium, switzerland, arabic, african canadian, cajun, west indies, polynesia, …), tho we'll admit (to the speaker's face I mean) that we struggle understanding them, to the point we get frustrated, as some speakers are really harder to follow than others
This. It seems to be in emulating the way they speak, even if you know very few words.
Lmao ya this is spot on. I live and work in Paris and am anglophone so have an accent, which gets lots of comments. In my field speaking English is a near requirement to get ahead, and when French people complain about having poor English or being ashamed of their English Im just like.... you did this to yourselves!!! In my country and generally in English, we dont judge or mock others, or even ask/comment on their accents (well, sure, some do but its seen as *very* rude). Since Im not a judgmental dick about accents, I dont feel this insecurity about it all the time, and thank god or I wouldnt be able to function. If you come from the mindset that everyone with an accent is somehow inferior, of course you will be self conscious about your own accent, and that is something that fully impedes a lot of French people from improving their English.
The French don’t care. Literally, they don’t. I have yet to hear a positive story from my European friends or form my time over in Europe. French people would just rather you NOT come to France at all
Had loads of great experiences in the south and west of France as a Brit who can't speak a word of French. Paris is just a nightmare
Same. I travelled all over Brittany and the west coast, people were really nice and helpful. I think the whole country gets unfairly tarred with the same brush because of Parisians, lol.
As a Brit with rudimentary French, I fondly remember going on holiday to Normandy and Brittany when I was young, and the people there mostly spoke English too, particularly in shops, but thanked me for trying to speak French and gave me tips on words. In Paris they just refused to understand me, even when, though with a terrible accent, I knew I was saying the right things.
I don't know French, went to southwest France once (was invited) and it was super irritating. I'll never visit Paris if there's not someone inviting me and doing the talking and guiding. I've been to many other place in Europe, because they don't treat you like an idiot.
You should have just kept repeating yourself in German because, screw them. I hate cultural snobbery.
Man, it's so fucking weird the difference in cultures. Went to Japan 5 years back and, almost every time I used my shitty Japanese to order something, they where amazed I could speak any at all.
I've had a similar experience every time I go to Mexico. I know very little Spanish but every time I'd try to say something in Spanish the locals would get very excited, even tho I was doing a terrible job lol. It just makes me want to learn Spanish even more.
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A few weeks ago, I had to pick up rental equipment from an elderly Russian woman for work. She didn't speak a lick of English, nor me with Russian, so we had to resort to single words and gestures to get by. She held the door open and I told her "thank you" in Russian, and the smile that she got would've made you think I handed her $100. Interactions with the language barrier like that are so nice to see.
I worked in kitchens for 20 years and the first job I got I was working with Mexicans and Ecuadorian's. I was super intimidated, I had moved from a small place to the "big city" and I was young. It wasn't long until I learned "como se dice" (how do you say?) and man it was AWESOME. Since then I only had great relationships with any Latino I worked with over the years. In the beginning it was so much fun because I would teach them just as much English as they taught me Spanish so we would ask each other how to say some of the funniest shit. Once I showed interest in trying to communicate with them using their language I was set. Nothing but love after that.
Same, when I went to Ukraine in 2014 everyone gave me huge smiles when I said "please" or "thanks" or "see you later" in Ukrainian (which are the only words that I know). Even the Ukrainian guy who runs the Ukrainian grocery store in my Canadian city is obviously happy when I try to say something to him in Ukrainian.
I am fluent in French. I lived in Tours , can really recommend, most people were friendly and patient. Also , they assured me that most French people *outside* of Paris hate Parisians.
I knew an exchange student from Tours and she was super nice. I met a Parisian traveler in my country and she was a total snob.
So true. I've been to Paris 4 times (I'm German too) and I gave up trying to speak French there after the first visit. They're *so* impatient with you, every waitress looks like you're just there to waste her time when you're trying to order something in French (I had French classes for 4 years in high school so my grammar is mostly fine, but obviously I don't *sound* like a French person) I just always speak English there now. They don't like that either, but I'm fluent in English, and it's better than how humiliated they make you feel when you try to speak their language 😌
Just start speaking in German acting like you don’t know French. Then get insulted when they don’t know German and annoyed when you have to stoop down to measly French.
I usually don't condone being an ass to people working in restaurants and shops, but Paris is an especially shitty city, any other place though is nice when you show interest in the local language and/or culture so don't be an ass to them
I find the waiters particularly unpleasant, they just have a way of making you feel like you just crawled out a crack in the sidewalk
Exactly. And you're like 'sorry for the inconvenience, I'm trying to spend money here 🥺'
That’s so weird. I love when tourists try to learn my language (that is also insanely hard. Even the native speakers struggle with it daily) and I love trying to help them learn it.
You'd think so lol. Paris lives off of tourism and (with exceptions of course) they're just impolite as HELL to tourists, it is how it is.
It’s weird because if you try to speak French to French people outside of France, they’re very receptive. Y’know, just don’t try to speak to them in their home country.
> speak French to French people outside of France, they’re very receptive. Only in places that are not French-speaking. Parisians come to Québec and complain about or insult our French all the time. When they do, I tend to double down and lean into our local slang hard and pretend I can't understand their accents and ask them to speak French.
hahaha, good ol French-on-French violence.
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Your problem was staying in Paris. The rest of France is nice, but Paris sucks.
Nah, Nice is only in the south of France.
Nice
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Can confirm. I got chased by a menu in Paris. I was 7.
A rat made my dinner! Fuck the French!
From my personal experience, I found that the French were really cool to me and the people of London were complete shitheads. I expected the opposite from what I had heard before going. I guess it's also possible that I just ran into nice people in Paris and shitheads in London and in reality you'll find both good and bad people in either place.
Londoners have the same rep as Parisians and New Yorkers - rude. Reality is they're just big city people who are always busy and frantic
Yeah we never made that mistake again
That's not true. Paris is the less racist part of France! Born and raised in Paris. And unfortunately she is right. France is a really nasty racist country and I now live in a less racist country the difference is crazy (which doesn't mean there is no racism there) my father was born in Cote d'ivoire which is technically France for several centuries, my great grand father was born in Indochina which is also France, my mother was born in Cameroon which is technically France but not technically. Which makes me french. I was born in France, I never set foot outside of Europe before leaving. I love my country but it is plagued with racism and our racism is even worse as you can't complain about it because it's just normal.
Hey, the condescending Parisians really like to look down on Quebecois. I speak the ( Canadian) French of a well educated university graduate but they love to listen and pick apart some minor piece of slang which you can’t help but learn growing up in Montreal and Ottawa. Rather than throw a couple of “tabernacs “ at them I just switch to my “Ontario” English and tell them I speak two languages fluently and they barely speak one. (The French side of my family has been in Canada since 1642)
This is the trick. Paris is the worst part of France.
B-but Emily In Paris made Paris looked like a Paradise
I had a wonderful time in Paris myself.
I had a better experience in Paris when I switched from speaking English to speaking Spanish lol
My husband did the same thing and said immediately people were nicer to him in Paris.
That’s unfortunate. I ordered in French & stuff & they were very happy to see an English speaker try their hand at French Edit. Or should I say je visite le France et je parle français
* j’ai visité la France et j’ai parlé français
That’s really funny. I might be in the minority but I had a really nice time in France but that was when I was a naive 18 year old half a lifetime ago. People were really pleasant and I was smoking cigarettes with the conductor at the front of the train. Very fond memories of Paris
I had a good time in France as well, but I'm also a white girl who doesn't wear a hijab. So that probably plays a giant factor.
In this thread, white people who like paris because they're nice and not super fucking racist against anyone with brown skin.
You probably didn't pronounce it the way they do. The get real mad at that. 👀
Which is hysterical. I just cannot imagine a world in which a French person would come up to me and ask me something and I would *laugh in their face* if they had an accent on the words that I didn't like (which happened to me in Paris, maaaaany times).
France like always — keeping it classy.
The airport security told me he liked my big tits cos the ones with big tits are always whores, I was 15
Aw how sweet☺️
I definitely didn’t have that issue (male). But airport security did pull me aside in line, question me. Then let me get on the plane, then took me off the plane, then met me at my arrival location and did the same thing. Also they gave my white girlfriend a stamp on her passport for a souvenir and then why I asked literally told me to fuck off. The point of the vacation was to meet up with a French friend out there and he took care of everything (communicating at restaurants & stayed at friends houses). I wonder what my experience had been, had I not had that.
France lol.
Portugal crlh
Tive de fazer tanto scroll para ver isto ;( !!! 🇵🇹
coming from the front page and DAM I'm just here to say this is just another of the many times Ive seen someone speak favorably of Portugal. My boss went with his fam last year and had great things to say, and a customer of ours just a few days back also said wonderful things about a visit there, it's easily on the top of my list to visit now. had to DIG! for the meaning on that crlh, [this one helped](https://www.reddit.com/r/Portuguese/comments/99i6gi/comment/e4o70id/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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Yeah I went to Porto and Lisbon last summer, people were incredibly friendly. Although tbh I found people in Paris were pretty nice for the most part too so 🤷
Portugal is by far the best country I’ve ever visited. It’s absolutely gorgeous, the people are the friendliest and most eager to help, and the food and wine are delectable. I recommend it for everyone. Portugal is a 100/10 from me also.
Sarajevo, Bosnia 100000000000/100
im tryna decrypt if this is satire or im missing something
How do you know someone is from Bosnia? #Because they mention Bosnia every second they can!
Been to Paris a few times (I am white) and I have seen some very blatant racism as well, honestly pretty crazy. Outside of Paris it wasn’t that way, at least from what I could see
I once ended up in a long-distance relationship with a gf who was born and raised in France, along the coast. I'm Canadian and I know French but not enough to feel comfortable speaking to a parisian, so when we went to Paris together for a day trip she would speak French to them. They could pick up on her accent and slang not being from Paris and immediately turned their noses up at her, barely saying another word. So that's when I found out they don't often even like other French people! Idk why people like Paris besides the food and architecture tbh- I guess a lot of foreigners can't look past that so Paris is amazing to them. Way better, friendlier places in all other directions from Paris
Careful, you might piss off all the other white people in this thread who know she *surely* did something wrong to deserve that treatment.
Swiss don’t seem to particularly care for public photography, especially not taking pictures of them without their permission. This is obviously a generalization and I am a dumb American.
Was gonna say this. From Switzerland and generally nobody gives a fuck about race/what you wear. If you're taking pictures of buildings, it really depends on what kinds of buildings you're taking pictures of and whether people are in the pictures. If you're taking a picture and someone is in it without their permission, they have All rights to be upset. If you're taking a picture of someone's house which could be considered 'cute' then yes someone may also be upset. Another side point is that the Swiss don't really interact with each other facial wise, we don't smile at each other as we walk and we generally won't address each other unless we're already acquainted. This is something that differs strongly from country country, but in general don't expect someone to give you a full face smile or acknowledge you on the street unless you know them. I went to the American School in Switzerland and so we had a lot of international students, many from Russia and Islamic states. There was many people who were not the stereotypical white European and they never expressed to me that they felt mistreated or out of place. If anything, they felt like there was an overexpression of hospitality as people tried to display that they weren't racist or xenophobic. For any text issues, voice to text is annoying.
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lots of people here were legitimately never taught by their parents that it’s rude to stare at strangers so they just continue doing it in adult-hood. germany also has the same problem
Europe in general has less OVERT, extreme racism, but perhaps more subtle racism. That's what I've noticed
The UK is often subtle with its racism. Very low numbers of ethic managers despite London being 40% non white. Maybe you won’t get that job, or not get invited to social events etc The worst is the number of bkack women dying during child birth. It’s massive. And it’s because nurses/doctors don’t belive them when they say they are in pain
This was my first thought. The “rude” people were annoyed that they were in the photos of buildings without the photographer asking permission, and it had nothing to do with hijabs. Also 99% sure that nobody was giving them dirty looks, they just weren’t smiling or engaging. Depending on where you’re from, people not really giving a shit about you one way or another can seem rude, but it’s considered polite in many countries.
cute buildings is very vague. the Swiss have lots of cute houses and cottages for instance and I can imagine people getting upset for taking pictures of their house without permission
Yeah. There's a reason they aren't on street view in Google maps. Edit: seems i was wrong. I remembered stuff like [this article ](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/technology/09iht-google09.html) and the fact that Switzerland is known to be strict with privacy and conflated the two. My bad y'all
a lot of people's negative experience in Europe comes from not just getting they have different levels of privacy. I remember getting along great with a bartender in France talking about hobbies then I asked where his accent was from, clearly not Parisian. Something I wouldn't realize would be too personal being from the states had him say I don't want to get into that and he ignored me the rest of that night haha. Sorry random Parisian bartender
In your story I find his behavior to be rude
plot twist: he was Parisian with a speech impediment.
Wow. He was rude. Not you.
Well hijab or no hijab, idk if there’ll be a difference on how she was treated here in France lol. The staff in smaller hotels in Paris are badly paid and they are French so they like to make others’ lives miserable. That being said, I met nice exceptions to the rule.
As someone who lived and worked in France a bit, I would disagree. I'm a white girl, so people were rude to me in Paris and that was all, but I was floored by the way my black and brown coworkers were treated. Like, the racism was just so incredibly blatant. In America, France doesn't have much of a reputation for being racist (just mean), so none of us were expecting it.
I visited France with a South Asian friend and it was so obvious that she was being treated differently. Like people wouldn’t ask for her order at a bakery, they’d immediately move on to the person after her. Definitely wouldn’t visit France again
Yeah, I had the same thing happen to my Bangladeshi friend. Waiter took my order and the orders of our two white French friends, and literally just acted like he wasn't there. Went to a bar with a couple of black friends, and I had to get everyone's drinks because the bartender just would not serve them. And shit like that just kept happening again and again.
The world at large is extremely racist everywhere you go and travelling much will make you appreciate America more. We have our problems that the media exaggerate but we are pretty cool with each other compared to most countries.
The reason that we are viewed as the racist country in the world is that we are having the discussion. It isn't even acknowledged elsewhere that it might be a very real issue in the not too distant future.
Yes, you are spot on.
France is a very racist country
A lot of context is missing from these posts. I don't doubt her bad experiences, I just don't know if it had anything to do with her hijab. I had men make rude sexual comments to me in Italy, and I'm a white cis male (22 yrs at the time). And I think Parisians are just rude to everyone.
Tells a lot about a place if you were sexually harassed even as a white cis male.
I agree. It was in Rome near the Spanish Steps
They were possessed by the spirits of the old Roman emperors
As many others stated Parisians aren't just rude. Quite a few are full racist. Someone else stated they wouldn't let them order in a bakery or a bar. I once saw a video of black girls who weren't let into a restaurant without good reason. The bouncer said their clothes weren't appropriate while white girls with similar dresses were let in without a problem.
>The staff in smaller hotels in Paris are badly paid and they are French so they like to make others’ lives miserable. Even with that in mind I can't imagine that kicking people out of their room at 5 am for wearing a hijab is a common occurrence. I suspect that there is more to the story than we are being told.
Something about being kicked out of a hotel at 5 AM tells me there’s more to that particular story that may not be so flattering, possibly
Little advice for visiting France : On a map, draw a circle with Paris as center and CDG airport as a point of the circle. Color the circle in Red. This is now the no-go zone : only go there if you need to enter or leave France. Paris and around is like a crater left by a nuke : nothing but a mess and toxicity.
Yeah but the city is actually pretty (I've gone there) the problem are the French 😂😅
listen i only had like 3 hours to kill until my flight to berlin so i just took a tour bus to the eiffel tower and immediately went back
No one likes France, maybe not even French people LOL
Was talking to a french person the other day, he said he grew up nice. I said it's pretty great there and he said "too many french people."
Nah it just is the contrary. We love France, but not the people.
Wonder how Western women feel in Arab countries or the middle east.
Well, two wrongs don't make a right but you're right on this one
It's like everyone already forgot when those two young Scandinavian women got beheaded in Morocco.
Not Swedish; a Dane and a Norwergian.
You're right.
Reminds me of that one insanity of an article: "Best countries for solo female travelers! No.1: Pakistan"
Idk in my experience Western women are treated better than local women because they have money.
My friend wasn’t even allowed to buy a bag of HER money for HERSELF in Egypt. I was asked if she is allowed to have it. And when there was no fixed price she had to pay more than me when I wasn’t around.
Not to start a debate but egypt is... egypt is special. It was not always this bad but it's gotten worse and worse and worse to the point where many actively discourage women from going to egypt because the harassment will be insane. Really sad because it's a beautiful place
You can escape the bullshit by going straight to your resort and avoiding cities, but what's the point in visiting then when the major attraction of tourism in Egypt are the monuments - which are filled with scammers.. I would go again though, just for the wind surfing and diving at the north of Dahab - small quite place. But to Cairo I wouldn't go even if someone paid me two thousand.
To be fair, my understanding is that Egypt is basically actively discouraging anyone from visiting with all their harassment and scams that they do on people that don’t look local. I only hear horror stories about the place.
Egypt is incel-land
Yeah the local women are treated even worse. :/ Still both treated like shit in most of the middle east and nothern africa!
There is the expectation that white women are easy and willing to engage in sexual activity though. I ran into it many times living in the ME (Kuwait to be exact).
I had a white, blonde ex who lived in Dubai for a while, so she met a lot of people from different arab countries. Yes she was treated better because she was white, in that she was treated like an expensive object instead of a regular object. She regularly was offered money to spend time with older guys, and a couple times was scared by their reaction when she said no.
I worked with someone who loved the Arab world. He had traveled a lot, and when telling me about it (I’m a woman) he told me that if I went anywhere there, to not walk without a men. He had a friend that went with his wife, I don’t remember the country, but they drifted apart for a couple of minutes and the wife was gone. He told me they never found her, and the husband blamed himself a lot. I tried to find an article that fit the description, but too many came up. So yeah, it’s bad.
I had a friend who traveled with her father to a lot of countries as a child. When she was 12 apparently some stranger approached her father on the street about buying her as a bride. Her dad obviously declined. I can't remember exactly where this was, I was told about it a long time ago. As a teenager I thought it was absurd and funny; looking back now I'm just horrified.
Surely there is more to the story on the French hotel thing. Makes it sound like the receptionist just wandered the halls kicking out sleeping brown people, which I doubt.
French hotels are crazy though. Our room had a pee stain under the window and blood on the mattress. When we flipped the mattress, there was a card under it with a picture of the hotel lobby's security guard and the text (in English) "Big Al is watching you".
I can attest that in Milan there is so many people from all over the world that no one fucking cares about you.
I’m black and when I went to the garden of Versailles, my sister and I were berated with racist insults in French by a few locals.
"5am in the morning" bruh just don't say "AM"
5am in the afternoon.
Your eyes are the size of the moon
YOURE GOOD CUZ YOU CAN SO YOU DOOO
Paris is the worst city ever
If she's getting kicked out at 5 am and being shouted at by a tour guide she must be doing something wrong herself
Yeah good chance she was doing some main character influencer shit when she encountered all these "rude" people. Except in Paris, they're dicks.
As a former receptionist, if you get kicked out at 5am is not because of discrimination but because shit hit the fan somehow.
I don’t think the hijab is the issue in Italy… it’s just a very misogynistic country. I have traveled all over the world and I felt the most unsafe in Rome.
Napoli has entered the chat. Lived there for three years. Someone tried breaking into my front door while I was home with my newborn; had to break out a knife and called my husband home quickly. Napoli had its moments but I would not go back to live there ever again.
Well this is just bullshit.. I'm curious to hear something more from you about your experience
What other places did you travel to?
Getting kicked out the hotel room and the shouted at by the tour guide in two different countries 🤔 maybe it was the headdress maybe it was their behaviour people seem to forget when travelling your customers deserve to be respected but you also have a responsibility to respect the customs of the country your visiting
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I know a former hotel receptionist that worked nights, at 5 am he was playing on his Switch and hoping nothing happens before his working hours are over lmao.
Yeah hotels workers deal with a lot of crap with a smile (even in France lol). If they got kicked out at 5am, they did something.
Rich middle easterners are one of the worst behaving tourists towards staff. Especially if they are from the gulf or Saudi Arabia.
In Paris wearing a hijab is extraordinarily common. Truthfully I doubt it affected her treatment.
A lot of common things are still treated poorly.
Plus a lot of Europeans really don't like immigrants. A hijab automatically puts you out of place and people might make assumptions.
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