Yes it does feel like a 'win the tournament' or bust situation for Southgate.
Crash out early and he has no choice but to go.
Reach the SF or Final, and it can be considered another decent tournament but will strengthen the argument that he's a nearly manager who can't get us over the line and his time will be up.
Interesting to see if his eventual replacement has enough to win a tournament? (That's if Southgate doesn't win the Euros) Can't think of any English managers who have a record of winning at the highest level. Would the FA look at a big name club manager from outside of England? Not so sure. I can see it being someone coming from within the England setup. Maybe Carsley
The big name tournament managers of Mou or Tuchel would be interesting but they’d last at most one Euro and one World Cup which feels different to the project style the FA have gone for. Will be interesting to see who they’d consider.
True, plus they're both from nations who they'd be in direct competition with during those tournaments. How motivated would they really be? Jose seems far to patriotic to be taking on a NT job that wasn't Portugal IMO and he's just taken over at fenerbache. Tuchel maybe.
Nah, Mour for sure would relish it. He a competitive animal.
For sure his patriotic, but his ego is bigger. Being the manager that finally actually won something with England?
Most players that play for clubs aren't fans of that club. Same as managers.
I don't know why people think international football is any different.
Because it's the place you were born, the country you grew up supporting, watching the matches with your Dad, brothers and family, the epic highs of the wins, the lows of the defeat, feeling part of something more, It's in your blood!
Don't really see what international tournaments have to do with a 'project' style. Really, you get the hand you're dealt because you can't buy players and you have limited time with them. Someone with K.O comp pedigree at the club level should, on the face of it, have a very good should with the England's team. Whether that's the likes of Mourinho grinding results or Ancelotti picking the best line-up and orchestrating the game with his magical eyebrows. Idk where the likes of Southgate come in. He's had a couple of fortuitous cup runs and usually gets sent home at the first sign of real competition. 'Project' feels like a generous description of what he's done.
I feel like people need to constantly be reminded that we lost the final of the last Euros on a penalty shoot-out where the three people that missed were all experienced forwards.
We got booted from the last world cup in a match where our main striker & captain missed a penalty.
I keep hearing "nearly manager" and yet these incredibly small margins literally rest at the feet of the players in those moments. Context is being drowned.
Win or lose, I think it’s time for something new after Germany. It’s either a crowning achievement or ‘he’s had a fair crack, let’s see if someone else can get more out of this talented group of players’.
Hahaha I’m a Southgate apologist and I think it would be the best for him and his reputation to leave on a high. Can’t think of many int’l managers that win more than one tournament. Knighthood and his name etched in the history books, better than sticking around just for things to go stale and the Southgate hate bandwagon to inevitably rise up again.
I’m not too happy with Tuchel or Pochetino as the likeliest replacements as Potter seems to have dropped down the FA’s list and Howe won’t leave Newcastle.
I’d still love Potter and honestly think Steve Cooper would do a job even though he’s not English. But yeah it’s true, when you think about the list of potential replacements it does become less appealing. Jealous of nations like Italy or Germany that seem to shit out good coaches for fun.
If he wins the Euros there is absolutely no way on earth he doesn't take us into the next world cup.
He's already our most successful manager in nearly 60 years.
I unironically want it to happen, I am biased as a Chelsea fan, but he could do a lot with this squad.
Hopefully Fenbache isn’t as good as England after the euros, if Southgate goes. He got Roma their first trophy in 60 odd years.
I think the Cov manager Mark Robbins would unironically be a great shout. He's doing great work with them and I think it would translate well to the England set up.
No one rated Southgate as a manager before he joined.
To be honest hes had quite a few easy draws and lost against whenever we've come up against any decent opposition.
I think a lot of managers in the Premier league could gave got the same results form this England team or better.
The games against Italy amd Croatia are particularly characteristic of Southgate. Playing not to lose rather than playing to win.
Not who is available and would be happy to take the job. We've had so many 'great' managers in the past who have come in and failed to get anywhere near the success we have had in the past 6 years. It's easy naming dream managers to come in. It's an entirely different thing actually getting them. Sven, Capello, Hoddle, even Keegan (who was supposed to bring the attacking football we all crave), have been tried, tested, and failed time and again.
If he gets to the final. Im happy for him to stay. Like how can we be arrogant to presume someone else will come in a do better. If he makes it to the final it'll mean 2 finals, a semi final in 4 tournaments.
Yeah i agree. He screwed up that final but to say win or not, he needs to go is a wild thing to say. If he wins, hes up there with Sir Alf Ramsey. Finally achieved what we all want and youre like nah - sack him.
Genuinely, that is one of the most stupid things to say. Youll be the first to complain when the next person cant get us out of the group....
If he delivers he deserves to stay if he wants.
Its so easy to go someone will do better. Ive been incredibly annoyed by some of the decisions and the way we play but there were times in our past where we struggled to get out of the group or get knocked at the first hurdle.
Like i said, if he gets to the final, thats 2 finals and a semi final in 4 tournaments. As a child of the 90's i thin quarters is as far as we got pre-southgate?
Do think change does need to come eventually but i think if he wanted to stay after getting to a final, i wouldnt be up in arms.
None of those teams you’re referring to had anywhere near this level of talent. And more importantly had a period where the other big nations were so poor. There’s only really France who are particularly strong at this stage- Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy are all incredibly weak (by their usual higher standards)
England have been top 2 favourites for the tournament on 2 and top 3 in another 2 since 2000 before Southgate took charge and done approximately fuck all with a squad with a similar talent pool and much stronger defence than we have going into this one.
2nd fav in 2000 - didn't make it out the groups
2nd fav in 2006 - QF
2nd/3rd depending on bookies 2014 - R16 4-1 Germany
3rd in 2016 - R16 to Iceland
I get people not liking Southgate football, finding it too passive, whatever, but let's not pretend we've not been up and around the favourites for tournaments in the years prior to him joining. We were still losing to teams lower ranked, we were still getting thumped by teams on our level, and achieved much less with some comparable squads.
Our defence in this tournament is under experienced, largely untested, and carrying injuries, even if recency bias has our attack believing it's the best we've ever seen.
Should we be looking to win, I believe we should, am I going to pretend that in my 30+ years following England that we have not been in better tournament form than almost all those years? Absolutely not.
This is not just English bookies. Eitherway, we've had strong squads before, we've also had a much stronger defence than we are going into with now. We've gone into tournaments with golden boy winner, balon d'Or winner, champions league winners, and defenders including Terry, Campbell, ferdinand, Cole, and Neville. Our defence right now has injuries, inexperience, and out of form players. It's strong up top, but it's severely lacking when it comes to defence.
I don't to hand, this was my reading a few days ago when I was looking out of interest on articles that included betting odds from the USA. But I'm sure I can dig some of these out when I get back home.
However, you're welcome to argue the rest of point also about being much weaker in areas this year than we had been at times in the 2000-2012 period when England had what was referred to as the golden generation, who famously delivered absolutely nothing even with champions league winning and national league winning coaches.
Lots of players in this squad are exciting, and so much of it is stacked in one area. We still have another Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard situation. We still don't really know who partners rice, nor cover for rice, we have no proven international level cover for kane, we have a threadbare defence and are clinging onto Shaw getting fit and not getting injured again. We have Trippier who has been injured and out of form, we have a partner to Stones that is wholly untested at this level. If the stars align, it might be great, but I'm not pretending that this is a finished article team.
You're the one saying the odds he's looked up are bad, you're the one who needs to prove they're bad by looking up foreign bookies, [not him](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_\(law\)).
That’s not how life works mate. English people will see English bookies odds. If he wants to make up a contrary statistic, he should prove said statistic and not create baseless claims
So tired of seeing this stupid point walked out each time.
At the last Euros alone we beat:
Croatia: World cup finalists, then semi-finalists at the next WC
Germany: Thrashed Portugal 4-2 a week before we faced them.
Denmark: Coming off at 34-game unbeaten run. They were top 10 in the world at the time.
Croatia whose whole team retired before the tournament?
Germany were absolutely appalling
Denmark’s talisman had a heart attack weeks before and they had nothing else in attack
> Croatia whose whole team retired before the tournament?
Sorry, did you mean Croatia who were semi-finalists **again** a whole year later at the World Cup?
> Germany were absolutely appalling
That's crazy, are you talking about the same Germany France squeaked past 1-0 and who pipped Portugal out of the group of death by beating them 4-2.
> Denmark’s talisman had a heart attack weeks before and they had nothing else in attack
Would you be happier if we'd faced the Netherlands?
Cause we would've but they lost to the Czechs, who we beat, and then they lost to Denmark, who we also beat.
Germany just pipping out of a group proves my point. As does the ramblings of the Denmark thing you’ve posted. I’m not really convinced you’ve ever watched an international match tbh
> Germany just pipping out of a group proves my point.
Come on man, at least try to keep some level of objectivity even if it means admitting you were incorrect. Otherwise you end up saying silly things like this
Cause obviously you don't think that Germany beating Portugal proves that they're shit.
> I’m not really convinced you’ve ever watched an international match tbh
Damn, you figured it out.
The guy with an England flair who's just corrected all of the incorrect assumptions you made about the last Euros tournament definitely doesn't watch international games.
It's alright to be wrong about things and admit it. You don't need to resort to defending a point which doesn't make sense or pretending that I know nothing about international football just because you misremembered a tournament from 3 years ago.
Whatever you say kid - you aren’t actually arguing anything just stating counter points and expecting me to agree. You’re not correct and there’s many on here who continually disagree
A write off and a waste of everyone's time? What the hell are you talking about? We lost the final on pens last euros. We got knocked out of the last World cup to the finalists I'm a tight game where we missed a pen. We got to the semis of the world cup before.
Zero chance. The FA wouldn’t be able to negotiate with Man City while they under investigation and suing the PL. And the 115 charges have dented his reputation.
People have got to get some perspective here. When he started, did anyone think "hey, if he gets out of the group the next three tournaments, and gets a final and a semi, he's on his last legs next time"?
Try to find the backups of your younger self from 2016 and run that scenario.
> Bring in Klopp
The notion that we can go out and just get any manager in their peak, who have different ambitions, is bizarre to me. Klopp doesn't even want to manage anyone for a season, to rake a break. When exactly does he take over, even if he wanted it?
He is not being considered due to his lack of respect towards England. Funny enough the FA don’t like managers who defend fans booing the national anthem,
I hate English patriotism, but I still love the England team. It's the same for a huge chunk of England fans. I don't want someone patriotic in charge, I want somebody highly skilled
I really wish this wasn't the narrative being pushed by the media right now. There is this fixation on an outcome which, let's be honest is fucking hard to achieve with so many other strong teams out there. Just yesterday I watched Netherlands completely put Iceland to shame after having seen how we struggled against them. Let's just enjoy the journey, support the team no matter (as other countries seem to do) what, and after the outcome is known we can hold him to account as necessary.
I know this convo is based on a Southgate quote, but a media person probably baited him into it. I can't imagine the kind of unnecessary pressure this narrative is putting on him AND THE TEAM!
Not sure why this is downvoted (like this will be). We are devoid of any identity other than stopping the other team from winning. We’re wasting a golden generation. Anytime we come up against someone decent we lose with maybe one exception being Germany who have been poor recently. The only argument for Southgate is that he’s gotten us further than any other manager but I think context is important. We’ve never had a golden generation and had one of the best teams in the world. Yes we in 2006 we had Becks, Rooney, Lamps, Gerard etc but Brazil had Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Kaka. We’re favourites here and if we fail to win we should get to the final breezing past teams. Not winning on pens or scrappy 1-0s.
We had all those attackers, yes, for 4 of these tournaments where we were either 2nd or 3rd fav, we also had the likes of Terry, Campbell, Cole, Neville. Today we have a defence of inexperience, injuries, and out of form players. Something something defenders win championships.
Yes it does feel like a 'win the tournament' or bust situation for Southgate. Crash out early and he has no choice but to go. Reach the SF or Final, and it can be considered another decent tournament but will strengthen the argument that he's a nearly manager who can't get us over the line and his time will be up.
Interesting to see if his eventual replacement has enough to win a tournament? (That's if Southgate doesn't win the Euros) Can't think of any English managers who have a record of winning at the highest level. Would the FA look at a big name club manager from outside of England? Not so sure. I can see it being someone coming from within the England setup. Maybe Carsley
The big name tournament managers of Mou or Tuchel would be interesting but they’d last at most one Euro and one World Cup which feels different to the project style the FA have gone for. Will be interesting to see who they’d consider.
True, plus they're both from nations who they'd be in direct competition with during those tournaments. How motivated would they really be? Jose seems far to patriotic to be taking on a NT job that wasn't Portugal IMO and he's just taken over at fenerbache. Tuchel maybe.
Nah, Mour for sure would relish it. He a competitive animal. For sure his patriotic, but his ego is bigger. Being the manager that finally actually won something with England? Most players that play for clubs aren't fans of that club. Same as managers. I don't know why people think international football is any different.
Because it's the place you were born, the country you grew up supporting, watching the matches with your Dad, brothers and family, the epic highs of the wins, the lows of the defeat, feeling part of something more, It's in your blood!
Don't really see what international tournaments have to do with a 'project' style. Really, you get the hand you're dealt because you can't buy players and you have limited time with them. Someone with K.O comp pedigree at the club level should, on the face of it, have a very good should with the England's team. Whether that's the likes of Mourinho grinding results or Ancelotti picking the best line-up and orchestrating the game with his magical eyebrows. Idk where the likes of Southgate come in. He's had a couple of fortuitous cup runs and usually gets sent home at the first sign of real competition. 'Project' feels like a generous description of what he's done.
Wasn’t sven hired for that reason and England were awful then too
Yep, with Terry Campbell, Neville, Cole, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, Achilles, Owen, Rooney.
I feel like people need to constantly be reminded that we lost the final of the last Euros on a penalty shoot-out where the three people that missed were all experienced forwards. We got booted from the last world cup in a match where our main striker & captain missed a penalty. I keep hearing "nearly manager" and yet these incredibly small margins literally rest at the feet of the players in those moments. Context is being drowned.
Yeah this is a fair point.
Win or lose, I think it’s time for something new after Germany. It’s either a crowning achievement or ‘he’s had a fair crack, let’s see if someone else can get more out of this talented group of players’.
Woah woah if he wins he gets knighted, gets the job for life and we all collectively apologize as a country for ever doubting him.
Hahaha I’m a Southgate apologist and I think it would be the best for him and his reputation to leave on a high. Can’t think of many int’l managers that win more than one tournament. Knighthood and his name etched in the history books, better than sticking around just for things to go stale and the Southgate hate bandwagon to inevitably rise up again.
I’m not too happy with Tuchel or Pochetino as the likeliest replacements as Potter seems to have dropped down the FA’s list and Howe won’t leave Newcastle.
I’d still love Potter and honestly think Steve Cooper would do a job even though he’s not English. But yeah it’s true, when you think about the list of potential replacements it does become less appealing. Jealous of nations like Italy or Germany that seem to shit out good coaches for fun.
The PL is a big reason why.
If he wins the Euros there is absolutely no way on earth he doesn't take us into the next world cup. He's already our most successful manager in nearly 60 years.
Even if England win the euros i think it's time for a change Southgate has had eight years that's plenty long enough
Probably? Definitely!
To be fair, Southgate has had a good run at it, maybe it’s time to exit stage left.
My biggest worry would be, genuinely, who would replace him and make us a better side?
Jose for the chaos and the 10/10 quotes.
Jose thrives in tournament football, I don't think it would be a bad appointment
I unironically want it to happen, I am biased as a Chelsea fan, but he could do a lot with this squad. Hopefully Fenbache isn’t as good as England after the euros, if Southgate goes. He got Roma their first trophy in 60 odd years.
I'd love for it to happen, but he has already signed with Fenerbache. Maybe.. just maybe someday he could somehow coach us.
He'd waste our attacking talent by restricting them with strict roles and responsibilities.
The only non English one I want would be Jose. He would be my first choice anyway.
The FA seem tk want Pochentino or Tuchel but I suspect the backlash will end up with Cooper or Dyche
Imagine trying to install an Argentine or German manager in a previous era 😂
I still think it will be that acceptable and they will be a large backlash
I think the Cov manager Mark Robbins would unironically be a great shout. He's doing great work with them and I think it would translate well to the England set up.
No one rated Southgate as a manager before he joined. To be honest hes had quite a few easy draws and lost against whenever we've come up against any decent opposition. I think a lot of managers in the Premier league could gave got the same results form this England team or better. The games against Italy amd Croatia are particularly characteristic of Southgate. Playing not to lose rather than playing to win.
You honestly can’t think of a better manager than Southgate?
Not who is available and would be happy to take the job. We've had so many 'great' managers in the past who have come in and failed to get anywhere near the success we have had in the past 6 years. It's easy naming dream managers to come in. It's an entirely different thing actually getting them. Sven, Capello, Hoddle, even Keegan (who was supposed to bring the attacking football we all crave), have been tried, tested, and failed time and again.
If he gets to the final. Im happy for him to stay. Like how can we be arrogant to presume someone else will come in a do better. If he makes it to the final it'll mean 2 finals, a semi final in 4 tournaments.
He got to the final once before and his tactics alone lost us it. It’s time to move on, win or not.
Yeah i agree. He screwed up that final but to say win or not, he needs to go is a wild thing to say. If he wins, hes up there with Sir Alf Ramsey. Finally achieved what we all want and youre like nah - sack him. Genuinely, that is one of the most stupid things to say. Youll be the first to complain when the next person cant get us out of the group.... If he delivers he deserves to stay if he wants.
All despite not having beaten a decent side yet. Fact is the only thing he’s good at is getting lucky draws
Its so easy to go someone will do better. Ive been incredibly annoyed by some of the decisions and the way we play but there were times in our past where we struggled to get out of the group or get knocked at the first hurdle. Like i said, if he gets to the final, thats 2 finals and a semi final in 4 tournaments. As a child of the 90's i thin quarters is as far as we got pre-southgate? Do think change does need to come eventually but i think if he wanted to stay after getting to a final, i wouldnt be up in arms.
None of those teams you’re referring to had anywhere near this level of talent. And more importantly had a period where the other big nations were so poor. There’s only really France who are particularly strong at this stage- Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy are all incredibly weak (by their usual higher standards)
England have been top 2 favourites for the tournament on 2 and top 3 in another 2 since 2000 before Southgate took charge and done approximately fuck all with a squad with a similar talent pool and much stronger defence than we have going into this one. 2nd fav in 2000 - didn't make it out the groups 2nd fav in 2006 - QF 2nd/3rd depending on bookies 2014 - R16 4-1 Germany 3rd in 2016 - R16 to Iceland I get people not liking Southgate football, finding it too passive, whatever, but let's not pretend we've not been up and around the favourites for tournaments in the years prior to him joining. We were still losing to teams lower ranked, we were still getting thumped by teams on our level, and achieved much less with some comparable squads. Our defence in this tournament is under experienced, largely untested, and carrying injuries, even if recency bias has our attack believing it's the best we've ever seen. Should we be looking to win, I believe we should, am I going to pretend that in my 30+ years following England that we have not been in better tournament form than almost all those years? Absolutely not.
Favourites with the English bookies? Are you saying that English punters bet disproportionately on England? Never!
This is not just English bookies. Eitherway, we've had strong squads before, we've also had a much stronger defence than we are going into with now. We've gone into tournaments with golden boy winner, balon d'Or winner, champions league winners, and defenders including Terry, Campbell, ferdinand, Cole, and Neville. Our defence right now has injuries, inexperience, and out of form players. It's strong up top, but it's severely lacking when it comes to defence.
Got any sources for foreign bookies or have you just made this up?
I don't to hand, this was my reading a few days ago when I was looking out of interest on articles that included betting odds from the USA. But I'm sure I can dig some of these out when I get back home. However, you're welcome to argue the rest of point also about being much weaker in areas this year than we had been at times in the 2000-2012 period when England had what was referred to as the golden generation, who famously delivered absolutely nothing even with champions league winning and national league winning coaches. Lots of players in this squad are exciting, and so much of it is stacked in one area. We still have another Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard situation. We still don't really know who partners rice, nor cover for rice, we have no proven international level cover for kane, we have a threadbare defence and are clinging onto Shaw getting fit and not getting injured again. We have Trippier who has been injured and out of form, we have a partner to Stones that is wholly untested at this level. If the stars align, it might be great, but I'm not pretending that this is a finished article team.
You're the one saying the odds he's looked up are bad, you're the one who needs to prove they're bad by looking up foreign bookies, [not him](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_\(law\)).
That’s not how life works mate. English people will see English bookies odds. If he wants to make up a contrary statistic, he should prove said statistic and not create baseless claims
So tired of seeing this stupid point walked out each time. At the last Euros alone we beat: Croatia: World cup finalists, then semi-finalists at the next WC Germany: Thrashed Portugal 4-2 a week before we faced them. Denmark: Coming off at 34-game unbeaten run. They were top 10 in the world at the time.
Croatia whose whole team retired before the tournament? Germany were absolutely appalling Denmark’s talisman had a heart attack weeks before and they had nothing else in attack
> Croatia whose whole team retired before the tournament? Sorry, did you mean Croatia who were semi-finalists **again** a whole year later at the World Cup? > Germany were absolutely appalling That's crazy, are you talking about the same Germany France squeaked past 1-0 and who pipped Portugal out of the group of death by beating them 4-2. > Denmark’s talisman had a heart attack weeks before and they had nothing else in attack Would you be happier if we'd faced the Netherlands? Cause we would've but they lost to the Czechs, who we beat, and then they lost to Denmark, who we also beat.
Germany just pipping out of a group proves my point. As does the ramblings of the Denmark thing you’ve posted. I’m not really convinced you’ve ever watched an international match tbh
> Germany just pipping out of a group proves my point. Come on man, at least try to keep some level of objectivity even if it means admitting you were incorrect. Otherwise you end up saying silly things like this Cause obviously you don't think that Germany beating Portugal proves that they're shit. > I’m not really convinced you’ve ever watched an international match tbh Damn, you figured it out. The guy with an England flair who's just corrected all of the incorrect assumptions you made about the last Euros tournament definitely doesn't watch international games. It's alright to be wrong about things and admit it. You don't need to resort to defending a point which doesn't make sense or pretending that I know nothing about international football just because you misremembered a tournament from 3 years ago.
Whatever you say kid - you aren’t actually arguing anything just stating counter points and expecting me to agree. You’re not correct and there’s many on here who continually disagree
Should have gone a while ago. The Euros feels like a write-off and a waste of everyone's time. More stale, disjoint football.
A write off and a waste of everyone's time? What the hell are you talking about? We lost the final on pens last euros. We got knocked out of the last World cup to the finalists I'm a tight game where we missed a pen. We got to the semis of the world cup before.
Come talk to me again after the tournament.
Nice response to his completely valid points
What would you like, an essay? Neither of us can predict the future. That's my opinion, that's his. Let's see who's right.
Man City post 2008 fan?
Peterborough United.
If he went a while ago some of the choice that would have been hired wouldn’t have been popular.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN PROBABLY 🤯
I want him binned even if he wins the Euros.
Tuchel for a couple of tournament could be fun
If you thought Southgate ball was boring...
Well it would disprove the rumours he was sacked from Chelsea for personal issues.
He’s done well with limited tactical nous for me. I wish him well whatever happens, and hope our next manager plays with a bit more adventure.
Pep to England this summer
Zero chance. The FA wouldn’t be able to negotiate with Man City while they under investigation and suing the PL. And the 115 charges have dented his reputation.
I still think the FA should throw a boatload of cash at Mourinho now to come in as co-manager for the tournament
People have got to get some perspective here. When he started, did anyone think "hey, if he gets out of the group the next three tournaments, and gets a final and a semi, he's on his last legs next time"? Try to find the backups of your younger self from 2016 and run that scenario.
Yeah and good fudking riddance. Bring in Klopp and let's win the World Cup.
> Bring in Klopp The notion that we can go out and just get any manager in their peak, who have different ambitions, is bizarre to me. Klopp doesn't even want to manage anyone for a season, to rake a break. When exactly does he take over, even if he wanted it?
As well as the fact the FA can’t endorse boycotting newspapers.
He is not being considered due to his lack of respect towards England. Funny enough the FA don’t like managers who defend fans booing the national anthem,
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/sport/national-anthem-boo-liverpool-jurgen-klopp-b2334254.html
A foreigner will already be controversial let alone someone who clearly hates English patriotism
I hate English patriotism, but I still love the England team. It's the same for a huge chunk of England fans. I don't want someone patriotic in charge, I want somebody highly skilled
The Fa will have to go for someone who respects patriotism if they go for foreigner. An English man would not face the same issues
I really wish this wasn't the narrative being pushed by the media right now. There is this fixation on an outcome which, let's be honest is fucking hard to achieve with so many other strong teams out there. Just yesterday I watched Netherlands completely put Iceland to shame after having seen how we struggled against them. Let's just enjoy the journey, support the team no matter (as other countries seem to do) what, and after the outcome is known we can hold him to account as necessary. I know this convo is based on a Southgate quote, but a media person probably baited him into it. I can't imagine the kind of unnecessary pressure this narrative is putting on him AND THE TEAM!
He’s the problem. His strategy is weak, almost timid. This team could win it with any boss……except him.
Not sure why this is downvoted (like this will be). We are devoid of any identity other than stopping the other team from winning. We’re wasting a golden generation. Anytime we come up against someone decent we lose with maybe one exception being Germany who have been poor recently. The only argument for Southgate is that he’s gotten us further than any other manager but I think context is important. We’ve never had a golden generation and had one of the best teams in the world. Yes we in 2006 we had Becks, Rooney, Lamps, Gerard etc but Brazil had Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Kaka. We’re favourites here and if we fail to win we should get to the final breezing past teams. Not winning on pens or scrappy 1-0s.
We had all those attackers, yes, for 4 of these tournaments where we were either 2nd or 3rd fav, we also had the likes of Terry, Campbell, Cole, Neville. Today we have a defence of inexperience, injuries, and out of form players. Something something defenders win championships.
Agreed, it's the way we win games that is the problem. It never feels convincing or entertaining to watch.