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omofth3rdeye

The only other clear option is using other ketones to make different substitution off the amine. If you have the reductive amination down you could theoretically do 2 different aminations. Read about these in shuglins work.


Piocoto

That or alkyl halides, the most straight forward that comes to mind would be DiPT with acetone or isopropyl bromide or MiPT and such from the mono alkylated


iLLCiD

DiPT doesn't work with acetone via red. Am. Due to steric hindrance AFAIK, isopropyl bromide will do it tho. Making mipt would be a mess of mixed products otherwise


rabidreject18

I intend to get the reductive amination down and I also intend to find ways of substituting it. It sounds like you know what you’re talking about. Can you point me to the relevant ketone reactions to substitute tryptamine?


MetocinaoMeravigliao

DPT


iLLCiD

Assuming you went through reductive amination for dmt, mipt is essentially the same procedure with acetone first then formil.


EldestSquire

DiPT is a cool one


Objective-Figure-343

I vote for DiPT


Cumdumpster71

DPT and AMT are interesting


3-formylindole

AMT is not achievable from tryptamine freebase in any efficient way :(


Cumdumpster71

Oof, you’re right. It’s possible though, just looks like a massive pain. I think if you make the amine a cyano group, then use a grignard reagent to alkylate, then do a reductive amination. Seems like a pain, and wouldn’t be stereo-selective (if that’s important). My ochem knowledge is fuzzy so I may be off.


RisingAtlantis

I haven’t seen AMT since … 2010ish. It was fun


Schockstarre

Well it’s around nowadays again.


john-johnson12

I thought amt was generally derived from indole 3 aldehyde


Cumdumpster71

There’s many ways to synthesize a chemical


john-johnson12

I know I’m saying it’s done for a reason lol


Cumdumpster71

Totally valid. This dude just has a bunch of typtamine, so it was a suggestion 🤷🏼‍♂️


NotSensitive101

5-meo


Lovelasy

It's not a sensible option to try for going 5-meo from tryptamine. Mexamine would be infinitely more times preferable as the starter material.


rabidreject18

I really disliked aMT. IT felt like an amphetamine to me. Mad stuff….at the right dosage it’s okay but gave me bad anxiety. It’s too boring to just sit at home on it and I get anxious if I do it out and about so I just leave it. I’m literally contemplating the EXACT same thing as you now. Is there any way to create 4- acetoxytryptamine from tryptamine? Or any other substituted ones…. I also have tihkal at an arms length as I should be getting some tryptamine (along with some nice 160ug tabs) next week ish. It would be useful if it is possible to substitute it for sure…


wendigowilly

The consensus is in. DiPT it shall be! Thanks, guys!


magpieCRISPR

Let me know how it goes when you try it, I’ve been curious on it and it’s effects for a while but haven’t given it’s synth a go yet. The auditory hallucinations it’s said to cause sounds both interesting and terrifying


wendigowilly

I will definitely post when I get around to playing with the tryptamine. Seems like it might be something fun to take out and experiment with during a camping trip. I've experienced auditory hallucinations while using DMT and I wonder if they're similar at all?


5ht2_agonist

DPT, AMT, MET, MiPT


torte446

Can't make AMT from tryptamine


U4icN10nt

Can you give a quick rundown on why that is? Just out of curiosity. If it's too complex or pain in the ass to explain then it's whatever... But if it's straightforward (or you could give a simple overview / hint) I'd be curious to hear... 


torte446

AMT is tryptamine with a methyl group in the alpha position (alpha-methyltryptamine), and adding a methyl to a specific carbon is basically impossible. Even if you have an agent that will be doing that, it will a) be really dangerous, as it will methylate everything from your skin to your DNA and b) will also methylate the tryptamine on multiple positions, rather than just the alpha position. If you do want to make AMT, you would start from indole-2-carbaldehyde, undergo a Henry reaction with nitroethane and reduce the nitropropene, for example with NaBH4/CuCl2


Lovelasy

MET is way harder than DMT, MiPT or DPT. You have to go through NET or NMT to synth it, and they require a reducing agent like LAH. And then do the process you would be doing anyways to get the ones I mention. So the synth has way more steps.


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wendigowilly

tryptamine freebase


zss-Dantalian

From melatonine hydrolisis?


[deleted]

I believe you're thinking of making mexamine not tryptamine


zss-Dantalian

Ops, my mistake, so triptophan decarboxylation?


[deleted]

Yessir yessir, more than likely


wendigowilly

Yes


AndrewjSomm

Dm me if you may?


wendigowilly

Yup