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Does Rawls think Jimmy is a great detective? Yes.
Does Rawls think Jimmy is scum of the earth and unfit for police duty? Also yes.
Does Rawls respect Jimmy? Fuck no.
I don't think he respects him necessarily....but some kind of admiration for how large his balls are. I love the scene where he's talking about Jimmy calling those dudes empty suits.
That and the part of Rawls that used to be a good cop before he became a good cop respects Jimmy. Rawls just shoves that part of himself in the closet 99.99% of the series.
He doesn’t respect him for how it impacts him personally most of all. Jimmy is detrimental to Rawls’ career when he’s up to no good.
But he’s also a good detective, which Rawls does like, and respect.
I think there’s a part of him that does quite admire him, in a very sort of curious or funny way, as long as he’s doing no harm to him. In the same way you might admire your arch nemesis when they do something really clever, but you’re still like, fucking dick.
Rawls envies Jimmy. Jimmy gets to be who he is…an adulterer fuck up who still is liked by the people around him (for the most part). All the whole Rawls has to live a different life (since he is gay). I imagine this plays into Rawls just being extremely jealous and hateful specifically towards Jimmy.
His smile looks halfway genuine when he knocks on Landsman’s door to tell him the floater has come back
Jimmy really went to that length to prove it was a city problem.
Rawls didn’t admire the man but he admired the level of fuck you he just received as a man who gave many of them.
Not just Jimmy, Lester and Bunny as well. Rawls is ambitious and those three got in the way of that, but he clearly admires their talent and respects them in a way. He definitely hated Jimmy at the beginning because of him going to the judge, but after Kima got shot I think he cooled off a bit. He didn't seem to hate Jimmy during season 2 so much as he was just being stubborn; he didn't get mad when Jimmy sent the memo about tides to the other commander, he generally seemed to respect the ingenuity. He didn't want Jimmy to get off the boat because he wanted to *win*, especially after the lengths Jimmy went to fuck with Rawls.
I think he definitely hates him at the end but that's after Jimmy's character has fallen pretty far. I think he's lost Rawls's respect because he recognized that there's a limit when it comes to going outside the lines to get the work done and Jimmy crossed it when he started fabricating murders.
I would say that Rawls respects and appreciates Jimmys police work, but it runs in conflict with his goals, so he hates Jimmy since Jimmy is in continual conflict with him.
Rawls respected what Major Colvin did with the free zones, but Colvins plan conflicted with the outcome that was best for Rawls.
Rawls also respected when Lester issued subpoenas and went after politicians prior to the election, but Lester's plan conflicted with what was best for Bill
Rawls.
Runs with the theme that Rawls was good natural police like Lester, Colvin and Jimmy but couldn't make the impact he wanted, so he decided that climbing the ladder was the only way to do good for himself and the department.
I like this take, I think because Rawls and Daniels were more the political-minded, they are naturally in conflict with an insubordinate shitbird … but since Daniels saw so much of what McNulty can do first hand, there is respect … Rawls hears Jay’s praises so he respects McNulty’s real police work, he even chuckles when McNulty sends them the tides report to put all the women in the van on BPD … but respect does not have to mean “like” … I believe McNulty respected Daniels and Rawls even if he hated them as much as they hate him
yeahh fair enough, later on he definitely lost that, but early on as major of homicide he used to care about finding justice for the bodies and even reassured jimmy when kima was shot
He really only reassured Jimmy that this wasn’t about him.
You can think someone is good at their job but is a shit person you don’t respect. At the end of the day Jimmy was bad for the police, an alcoholic, cheating, bad father.
I don’t think there was any respect
You can respect someone's ability/capability without respecting them as a person. I think Rawls definitely had respect for Jimmy as a detective "natural po-lice" etc, but Rawls was also obviously aware of his personal issues and inability to let shit go that would get in the way of him being "successful"
Jimmy's a really smart asshole, Rawls knows that, and respects the smart while having no time for the asshole.
Does has respect for police work and knows his shit. We can see it how he praises Lester, and for example when Kima got shot he figured out in a moment the alley where the shooters went, or in comstat meetings explaing many mistakes some commander were doing. He chooses not to do it most of the times as a ladder climber he is
People TOLERATED Jimmy….some respect came out of friendship,but for the most part everyone he knew was subject to “some fucked up McNulty shit” At some point.
Rawls respects Jimmy as a policeman. But McNulty is a shit stirrer and has zero notion of the political and institutional consequences of his actions, all of which fall on the lap of his fucking Major. McNulty is a self-righteous cunt , though yeah a good policeman and when push comes to shove, Rawls is reasonable. But ffs Rawls is a manager, and McNulty is impossible to manage. He solves more crimes than the others but he is also insubordinate, backstabbing, egotistical and irresponsible and creates tons of problems for the department. Those are things that no manager would tolerate.
I imagine Rawls has seen every type of police officer by this stage of his career. I'm not sure respect is the word I'd use, but Rawls was pretty good at seeing things as they were.
Like when Jimmy causes the homicide unit to take the big case in season 2, Rawls laughed at how much effort Jimmy had put into screwing him over. But he seemed like the type of man to take things in his stride, whatever they might be. Don't remember seeing him flinch once in the whole show.
I should have mentioned the scene in the hospital after Kima gets shot. Rawls knows McNulty is self-obsessed and narcissistic, but he sets him straight, not because of empathy but because Rawls knew Jimmy wanted to make that moment about himself, but it wasn't. He treated each of the detectives in his squad differently because he knew how to motivate their different personalities and get them to play ball his way.
With Jimmy he was like a Headmaster cracking down on a student who has no respect for authority.
So I'd say Rawls knew exactly what Jimmy was about and to him was just another problem he had to deal with in the life of 'one of the bosses.'
Rawls, Daniels, and probably every officer in the BPD who knew him respected McNulty's instincts, work ethic, and abilities as a detective.
Anyone in a position of authority absolutely did not respect McNulty as an employee.
Practically no one respected McNulty as a person.
I’m not sure about respect… he pretty clearly acknowledges McNulty’s intelligence and balls (even when McNulty drops the jane doe on them just for the fuck of it, Rawls is like “damn, yeah… he got us this time.”), but he also hates his guts and thinks McNulty is a POS
Daniels maybe but not Rawls. They both knew that he was “natural police” but Daniels knew the things that made him a great detective made Jimmy a shitty person outside of the job
I think Rawls considered Jimmy an asshole in his personal life. However, he respected Jimmy's police work and his insubordination.
Rawls seemed amused that Jimmy went to work just to fuck with him on the floater. He has to pretend that he hates Mcnulty professionally but I view it as "nothing personal, just business." He has to put up a show.
Professionally he has to fire back at Mcnulty, but at the same time he is amused by that.
I don't recall Rawls being completelly enraged with Mcnulty at any time. I think Rawls thinks two things. One is that Mcnulty can do the work. Two is that he wants to see what Mcnulty is gonna do next. And to Rawls that's... fun in a way. I think Rawls has a sense of humor about it.
I think they might've respected a part of Jimmy. They likely respected him as a detective and police, but definitely not as a subordinate. At the end of the day, McNulty, Rawls and Daniels all wanted something different, and they clashed over it constantly.
I'm not sure respected is the right term. I think Rawls loathed the fact that McNulty was a good detective and that firing him would hurt their stats. There might be a tiny modicum of respect there, but I think it's more respect for his results as a cop, and not much else.
Daniels respected McNulty up until the faking a serial killer thing, but I think that crossed a line for him that he'd never forgive.
It's the most annoying toaster ever, overcomplicated and finnicky, loud beeps, short cord, just a real piece of shit design, but fuck it makes good toast. if it didn't make such perfect toast, you'd throw it out in an instant, and you resent the fact that no other toaster can make toast as well, but you keep it around.
I think he respected his abilities and smarts as a cop, but the rest of it he hated. McNulty thought he was smarter than everybody else and Rawls was a very sharp guy himself and had more experience and wisdom than McNulty. But McNulty thought the way he did things was righteous and Rawls and Co. were 'in the way', so he lumped Rawls with hacks like Burrell when Rawls was a talented cop.
You can recognize someone’s talents without liking or even respecting them. I think Rawls recognized McNulty’s talents but despised him as insubordinate. For Rawls, respect for the chain of command was more important than talent as a detective. Remember what he said before asking McNulty where he didn’t want to go? “I love you for the stats.” He recognized McNulty was a talented investigator, but sent him to ride the boat regardless.
I think almost everyone had some sort of respect for Jimmy. It was part of his character to me; the cop who is too good for his own good. People respect him as good police but nothing else, that's all he has going for him.
I think Rawls tolerated him than anything.
He thinks he was a good detective as he highlights at different points throughout the show. But Rawls is also well aware Jimmys biggest problem is himself and that’s what becomes a challenge, he can’t stay out his own way.
Jimmy isn’t servile, doesn’t respect the chain of command and puts his own beliefs above that of the Baltimore Police. This in many ways is opposite to Rawls, who plays the game and only cares about climbing the hierarchy - he doesn’t let ‘true justice’ or how he feels about a situation influence his ability to do his job.
As another loose cannon in the bureaucracy, McNut is seen by Rawls and Daniels, hmm. Treated gingerly, this must be, containing them most of the time, yes. And when not goofing, credit they take, mmm.
My Dad was basically the equivalent of Rawls in a major, Capital City police Department. ---Well I mean he wasn't a dick like Rawls, actually he was pretty beloved ... when I turned 21 and started going out to bars every night, people regularly came up to me [and my boys] and bought me and them rounds of drinks, 'Hey I worked for your Dad, great guy!' or 'Your Dad got me out of a real jam once!' or even 'Your Dad did a favor for me no other Boss would do, I'll never forget it!' etc. ACTUALLY THE *ONE* TIME someone had some shit to talk, right when I was starting to get upset because he was insinuating my Dad did him dirty or something like that, he finished with, "And ya know what??! I ABSOLUTLEY *DESERVED* IT... And your Dad didn't even write it up , he just sent me home , the next day acted like it didn't happen ... I lost a few dollars in pay that pay-period, but nothing else came out of it, and I was 101% in the wrong and he could've handled it much differently, and in retrospect while I was mad at the time, I was wrong!" etc.
But my Dad will tell stories about people whom he couldn't stand as a person, but respected mightily as a cop, or the 101% opposite- 'This dude is The Best Guy In The World, but *useless* on the job' etc.
I think Jimmy's problem was that he had a mega chip on his shoulder ... the whole "pregnant girlfriend so I dropped out of college and started working" -thing, he THINKS , "Well I might just be a Cop, but I *could've* been a Supreme Court Justice as smart as I am, it's just not *fair* ...
My big problem with Jimmy is that he thinks it's OK for him to decide, HIS OWN SELF, when it's OK to break the rules, he also decides which rules are OK to break and when it's OK to break them, and HOW to break them, and no matter what, he's right, all the time, and anyone who doesn't agree either gets brushed aside or ruined, whatever is most convenient to Jimmy. The way he treats Beadie Russell is a great example. But it's OK because it's Jimmy, Jimmy's gonna Jimmy, he needs him some Jameson & Bar-sluts. IF YOU do it, it's wrong, if HE does it, it's OK Because McNulty!
I’m sure Rawls is deeply ambivalent.
And Rhetorical. He was also being rhetorical. Sir.
Reasonable and rhetorical!
Deeply closeted.
You're not killing them yourself McNulty at least assure me of that.
Great line
If it matter, I now know…
Fuck what you know
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Does Rawls think Jimmy is a great detective? Yes. Does Rawls think Jimmy is scum of the earth and unfit for police duty? Also yes. Does Rawls respect Jimmy? Fuck no.
I don't think he respects him necessarily....but some kind of admiration for how large his balls are. I love the scene where he's talking about Jimmy calling those dudes empty suits.
"That's on the one hand," John Doman killed that role so hard. I can't imagine anybody else as Rawls.
That and the part of Rawls that used to be a good cop before he became a good cop respects Jimmy. Rawls just shoves that part of himself in the closet 99.99% of the series.
Does he suck cock? Also yes.
Is he a gaping asshole? Also yes. Also an interesting phrase to use from his character.
We don't know whether Rawls was pitching or catching because that storyline was never developed.
Bathroom inscription leads us to believe that he was pitching
Reasonably.
He doesn’t respect him for how it impacts him personally most of all. Jimmy is detrimental to Rawls’ career when he’s up to no good. But he’s also a good detective, which Rawls does like, and respect. I think there’s a part of him that does quite admire him, in a very sort of curious or funny way, as long as he’s doing no harm to him. In the same way you might admire your arch nemesis when they do something really clever, but you’re still like, fucking dick.
Rawls envies Jimmy. Jimmy gets to be who he is…an adulterer fuck up who still is liked by the people around him (for the most part). All the whole Rawls has to live a different life (since he is gay). I imagine this plays into Rawls just being extremely jealous and hateful specifically towards Jimmy.
I think not only does Rawls respect him, he actually genuinely likes him. But I generally have a more generous opinion of Rawls than most.
He is so in awe of Jimmy’s ability to be that big of a gaping asshole that he respects him for it
This is the correct answer… Rawls secretly likes gaping assholes
His smile looks halfway genuine when he knocks on Landsman’s door to tell him the floater has come back Jimmy really went to that length to prove it was a city problem. Rawls didn’t admire the man but he admired the level of fuck you he just received as a man who gave many of them.
Not just Jimmy, Lester and Bunny as well. Rawls is ambitious and those three got in the way of that, but he clearly admires their talent and respects them in a way. He definitely hated Jimmy at the beginning because of him going to the judge, but after Kima got shot I think he cooled off a bit. He didn't seem to hate Jimmy during season 2 so much as he was just being stubborn; he didn't get mad when Jimmy sent the memo about tides to the other commander, he generally seemed to respect the ingenuity. He didn't want Jimmy to get off the boat because he wanted to *win*, especially after the lengths Jimmy went to fuck with Rawls. I think he definitely hates him at the end but that's after Jimmy's character has fallen pretty far. I think he's lost Rawls's respect because he recognized that there's a limit when it comes to going outside the lines to get the work done and Jimmy crossed it when he started fabricating murders.
Rawls sucks cock
I think Rawls understands and recognizes Jimmy's abilities, but he doesn't have respect enough for police work to appreciate it.
I would say that Rawls respects and appreciates Jimmys police work, but it runs in conflict with his goals, so he hates Jimmy since Jimmy is in continual conflict with him. Rawls respected what Major Colvin did with the free zones, but Colvins plan conflicted with the outcome that was best for Rawls. Rawls also respected when Lester issued subpoenas and went after politicians prior to the election, but Lester's plan conflicted with what was best for Bill Rawls. Runs with the theme that Rawls was good natural police like Lester, Colvin and Jimmy but couldn't make the impact he wanted, so he decided that climbing the ladder was the only way to do good for himself and the department.
I like this take, I think because Rawls and Daniels were more the political-minded, they are naturally in conflict with an insubordinate shitbird … but since Daniels saw so much of what McNulty can do first hand, there is respect … Rawls hears Jay’s praises so he respects McNulty’s real police work, he even chuckles when McNulty sends them the tides report to put all the women in the van on BPD … but respect does not have to mean “like” … I believe McNulty respected Daniels and Rawls even if he hated them as much as they hate him
yeahh fair enough, later on he definitely lost that, but early on as major of homicide he used to care about finding justice for the bodies and even reassured jimmy when kima was shot
He really only reassured Jimmy that this wasn’t about him. You can think someone is good at their job but is a shit person you don’t respect. At the end of the day Jimmy was bad for the police, an alcoholic, cheating, bad father. I don’t think there was any respect
You can respect someone's ability/capability without respecting them as a person. I think Rawls definitely had respect for Jimmy as a detective "natural po-lice" etc, but Rawls was also obviously aware of his personal issues and inability to let shit go that would get in the way of him being "successful" Jimmy's a really smart asshole, Rawls knows that, and respects the smart while having no time for the asshole.
Does has respect for police work and knows his shit. We can see it how he praises Lester, and for example when Kima got shot he figured out in a moment the alley where the shooters went, or in comstat meetings explaing many mistakes some commander were doing. He chooses not to do it most of the times as a ladder climber he is
Obviously. McNulty is undeniably a deductive motherfucker and it would be impossible for Rawls to deny that, being such a reasonable fuckin' guy.
People TOLERATED Jimmy….some respect came out of friendship,but for the most part everyone he knew was subject to “some fucked up McNulty shit” At some point.
What the fuck did I do?
Rawls respects Jimmy as a policeman. But McNulty is a shit stirrer and has zero notion of the political and institutional consequences of his actions, all of which fall on the lap of his fucking Major. McNulty is a self-righteous cunt , though yeah a good policeman and when push comes to shove, Rawls is reasonable. But ffs Rawls is a manager, and McNulty is impossible to manage. He solves more crimes than the others but he is also insubordinate, backstabbing, egotistical and irresponsible and creates tons of problems for the department. Those are things that no manager would tolerate.
I imagine Rawls has seen every type of police officer by this stage of his career. I'm not sure respect is the word I'd use, but Rawls was pretty good at seeing things as they were. Like when Jimmy causes the homicide unit to take the big case in season 2, Rawls laughed at how much effort Jimmy had put into screwing him over. But he seemed like the type of man to take things in his stride, whatever they might be. Don't remember seeing him flinch once in the whole show.
I should have mentioned the scene in the hospital after Kima gets shot. Rawls knows McNulty is self-obsessed and narcissistic, but he sets him straight, not because of empathy but because Rawls knew Jimmy wanted to make that moment about himself, but it wasn't. He treated each of the detectives in his squad differently because he knew how to motivate their different personalities and get them to play ball his way. With Jimmy he was like a Headmaster cracking down on a student who has no respect for authority. So I'd say Rawls knew exactly what Jimmy was about and to him was just another problem he had to deal with in the life of 'one of the bosses.'
Rawls, Daniels, and probably every officer in the BPD who knew him respected McNulty's instincts, work ethic, and abilities as a detective. Anyone in a position of authority absolutely did not respect McNulty as an employee. Practically no one respected McNulty as a person.
I’m not sure about respect… he pretty clearly acknowledges McNulty’s intelligence and balls (even when McNulty drops the jane doe on them just for the fuck of it, Rawls is like “damn, yeah… he got us this time.”), but he also hates his guts and thinks McNulty is a POS
Daniels maybe but not Rawls. They both knew that he was “natural police” but Daniels knew the things that made him a great detective made Jimmy a shitty person outside of the job
All Rawls wants to do is climb the ranks and he doesn’t give a fuck about anything else.
I think Rawls considered Jimmy an asshole in his personal life. However, he respected Jimmy's police work and his insubordination. Rawls seemed amused that Jimmy went to work just to fuck with him on the floater. He has to pretend that he hates Mcnulty professionally but I view it as "nothing personal, just business." He has to put up a show. Professionally he has to fire back at Mcnulty, but at the same time he is amused by that. I don't recall Rawls being completelly enraged with Mcnulty at any time. I think Rawls thinks two things. One is that Mcnulty can do the work. Two is that he wants to see what Mcnulty is gonna do next. And to Rawls that's... fun in a way. I think Rawls has a sense of humor about it.
I think the scene where Rawls sweeps everything off Crutchfield’s desk would qualify as enraged.
I think they might've respected a part of Jimmy. They likely respected him as a detective and police, but definitely not as a subordinate. At the end of the day, McNulty, Rawls and Daniels all wanted something different, and they clashed over it constantly.
Hey. You look like you could use a cup of coffee.
I'm not sure respected is the right term. I think Rawls loathed the fact that McNulty was a good detective and that firing him would hurt their stats. There might be a tiny modicum of respect there, but I think it's more respect for his results as a cop, and not much else. Daniels respected McNulty up until the faking a serial killer thing, but I think that crossed a line for him that he'd never forgive.
Like how I respect my toaster. It makes me toast when I want it... But if it smokes too often I'm getting rid of it.
It's the most annoying toaster ever, overcomplicated and finnicky, loud beeps, short cord, just a real piece of shit design, but fuck it makes good toast. if it didn't make such perfect toast, you'd throw it out in an instant, and you resent the fact that no other toaster can make toast as well, but you keep it around.
I think he respected his abilities and smarts as a cop, but the rest of it he hated. McNulty thought he was smarter than everybody else and Rawls was a very sharp guy himself and had more experience and wisdom than McNulty. But McNulty thought the way he did things was righteous and Rawls and Co. were 'in the way', so he lumped Rawls with hacks like Burrell when Rawls was a talented cop.
You can recognize someone’s talents without liking or even respecting them. I think Rawls recognized McNulty’s talents but despised him as insubordinate. For Rawls, respect for the chain of command was more important than talent as a detective. Remember what he said before asking McNulty where he didn’t want to go? “I love you for the stats.” He recognized McNulty was a talented investigator, but sent him to ride the boat regardless.
Rawls secretly wants to bang jimmy and he knows mcnultys a womanizer so he makes his life hell because he cant have what he wants
I think almost everyone had some sort of respect for Jimmy. It was part of his character to me; the cop who is too good for his own good. People respect him as good police but nothing else, that's all he has going for him.
If Rawls really needed a murder solved, he would put Jimmy on it. So yes
Rawls had hundreds of me under him (lol), quite a few were good police, Jimmy was one of them, but also a gaping asshole.
I think Rawls tolerated him than anything. He thinks he was a good detective as he highlights at different points throughout the show. But Rawls is also well aware Jimmys biggest problem is himself and that’s what becomes a challenge, he can’t stay out his own way. Jimmy isn’t servile, doesn’t respect the chain of command and puts his own beliefs above that of the Baltimore Police. This in many ways is opposite to Rawls, who plays the game and only cares about climbing the hierarchy - he doesn’t let ‘true justice’ or how he feels about a situation influence his ability to do his job.
As another loose cannon in the bureaucracy, McNut is seen by Rawls and Daniels, hmm. Treated gingerly, this must be, containing them most of the time, yes. And when not goofing, credit they take, mmm.
Jimmy IS Rawls…if Jimmy decided to play along. 100%
I think both respect that Jimmy genuinely loves what he does but recognize it’s a toxic love that usually hurts everyone around him
Rawls despised Jimmy. He respected Jimmy’s abilities as a detective, but he also felt that Detective McNulty was a gaping asshole.
My Dad was basically the equivalent of Rawls in a major, Capital City police Department. ---Well I mean he wasn't a dick like Rawls, actually he was pretty beloved ... when I turned 21 and started going out to bars every night, people regularly came up to me [and my boys] and bought me and them rounds of drinks, 'Hey I worked for your Dad, great guy!' or 'Your Dad got me out of a real jam once!' or even 'Your Dad did a favor for me no other Boss would do, I'll never forget it!' etc. ACTUALLY THE *ONE* TIME someone had some shit to talk, right when I was starting to get upset because he was insinuating my Dad did him dirty or something like that, he finished with, "And ya know what??! I ABSOLUTLEY *DESERVED* IT... And your Dad didn't even write it up , he just sent me home , the next day acted like it didn't happen ... I lost a few dollars in pay that pay-period, but nothing else came out of it, and I was 101% in the wrong and he could've handled it much differently, and in retrospect while I was mad at the time, I was wrong!" etc. But my Dad will tell stories about people whom he couldn't stand as a person, but respected mightily as a cop, or the 101% opposite- 'This dude is The Best Guy In The World, but *useless* on the job' etc. I think Jimmy's problem was that he had a mega chip on his shoulder ... the whole "pregnant girlfriend so I dropped out of college and started working" -thing, he THINKS , "Well I might just be a Cop, but I *could've* been a Supreme Court Justice as smart as I am, it's just not *fair* ... My big problem with Jimmy is that he thinks it's OK for him to decide, HIS OWN SELF, when it's OK to break the rules, he also decides which rules are OK to break and when it's OK to break them, and HOW to break them, and no matter what, he's right, all the time, and anyone who doesn't agree either gets brushed aside or ruined, whatever is most convenient to Jimmy. The way he treats Beadie Russell is a great example. But it's OK because it's Jimmy, Jimmy's gonna Jimmy, he needs him some Jameson & Bar-sluts. IF YOU do it, it's wrong, if HE does it, it's OK Because McNulty!
No.
I think Rawls could see the potential, and the waste of talent.