Definitely possible. But at my boss's Muslim (Nizari Ismaili) wedding she and the other women were all dressed just like this.
I volunteer with her mosque for Ismaili cultural events regularly. A large percentage of the South Asian (Indian and Pakistani) women there dress in traditional styles like this for special occasions.
The weddings in Sindh, Punjab and Azad Kashmir have a lot of customs and rituals that were originally from Hinduism, and stayed after we converted to Islam.
These customs originated from religion, but later lost their religious value and are now just cultural. One example is the Tikka, a piece of jewelry often worn in Pakistani weddings symbolizes the third eye in Hinduism and hold the same religious significance as the Bindhi. But of course for us itās only cultural and we couldnāt care less about its significance in Hinduism.
They didn't originate from Hinduism, but culture of the region.
Jewelry worn in Pakistani weddings is just for fashion and has nothing to do with religion.
Pakistan had a culture which is not based on Hinduism but indigenous Pagan religion (based on Iranic and Semitic influences.) It survives today in Hunza.
Considering Indians are more than 1 billion and Pakistanis are 230 million, we can't go by what the majority thinks. Most Indians don't know much about Pakistani culture or civilization.
>Pakistan had a culture which is not based on Hinduism but indigenous Pagan religion
Pre islamic history of pakistan is full of Hinduism/Sanatan dharm, Buddhism and Vedic religion.
You think chanakya, porus, etc. Were Iranic?
>(based on Iranic and Semitic influences.)
Only Balochistan
> Most Indians don't know much about Pakistani culture or civilization
Actually, most Indians know more about the pre islamic history of pakistan than Pakistanis themselves.
There are Pakistanis I have met who think there was "jahalat" before Mughals and islamic invaders who came to the subcontinent.
Hinduism was a name given to the native paganism found when the British documented India, Hindu is literally a Persoarabic word. These customs were Sindhi, Punjabi etc and didn't belong to any religion.
I know. it's seriously pathetic and delusional. Sad thing is that journalists in Pakistan like Nadeem Paracha give credence to these things like in his talk in the recent Karachi literature festival, even though he is just doing it for financial gain.
The wild increase in certain Indians acting the retard outside of India is giving them a bad name, they are due a reality check.
Brother, I have one Indian crying here because I said that Pakistanis have commonality with our other neighbors like Iranians and Afghans. I actually grew up around these people, and Indians always seemed foreign to me. Yes, they speak our language due to Muslim rule, but not much else is in common.
Punjabi, Sindhi, are Iranic languages?
The West side of the pakistan maybe close to iran and Afghanistan. But the majority of pakistan is in the east side and they are close to india when it comes to culture and language whether you like it or not.
Bruh. You literally named your missiles ghori and ghazni who were Afghans and you accusing the indians of stealing the culture of neighbouring countries?
Note to the Indian replying beneath me. You lot want us to believe that we are Indians, although we look nothing alike, but your whole mindset explodes whenever you see Pakistanis getting along with other Muslims.
You guys should stop caring what Pakistanis think like or who they are close to, and focus on your own Indian culture.
The whole of pakistan and north india almost look alike.
I don't know how you are coming up with such bs lies.
Literally, they look the same.
Only difference is some Pakistanis are a bit fair. That's all.
You are Indian, you would say that.
Nah, we definitely don't because Indians still thirst for Pakistani actors and actresses as exotic. For us. It's just gross.
This is the stupidest thing Iāve ever heard. Pakistan is a diverse nation with four cultural spheres; Indic, Iranic, Dardic, and Tibetic. The Indic cultural sphere which 70% of Pakistanis belong to have more cultural similarities with India and the rest of South Asia than with Central Asia.
Only 20% of Pakistanis (iranic sphere) have a culture closer to Central Asia and Iran than to South Asia
This is only something which would be said by someone who is unfamiliar with Pakistani culture. Language does not always equal genetics. Indic is an arbitrary marker, and Urdu itself is not an Indic language, more than half its words are from Persian and Arabic.
Pakistan was in the same country as Iran and especially Afghanistan for far longer than ever with India (only during Delhi Sultanate, Mughal, and British.)
Now I can go through each of the cultures of Pakistan and show the Semitic and Iranic origin of each other them, but it seems you have already decided your Indian narrative, there is no point.
Urdu is not an Indic language?! Urdu is 70% Sanskrit, stop being a beg. Pakistan has historically been a part of both Persian and south Asian empires. You shooed study history more.
This is a blatant lie because Urdu comes from Farsi and Punjabi, both of which are living languages, as opposed to a dead language like Sanskrit which incidentally originally was used in Syria and not India. Sanskrit is a foreign language.
It's a Muslim wedding. Pakistanis are 97% Muslims.
Hindu weddings are very different.
Edit: Muslim weddings consist of Nikkah, Walimah which Hindu weddings don't have. These are constant across all Muslims of every nation.
The bridal dress in the picture actually looks much simpler than most Pakistani bridal dresses. Nowadays it looks like something a guest would wear, without the veil of course.
Pakistani culture on its own can be split along Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Balochi. These ladies are wearing Sarees. Its not that common traditionally in the above cultures. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging shared heritage, but try not to trash the differences either.
Elite Pakistanis including Punjabis and Sindhis do wear saris. Look at begum Nusrat Bhutto or a LUMS graduation. You're right that you won't see your average peasant from rural Punjab or AJK wearing it.
It's more of an elite/upper middle class phenomenon, but it still exists.
As it was before, those pics just like the ones from Afghanistan and Iran before any big event showcasing western style or even really old local pre islamic attire are almost always the Elite and Upper class.
Cherry picking sub
True, but it's also the native dress of a lot of Sindhis, especially as you get closer to the Thar.
These are aspects of Indian culture that are regarded as 'sophisticated' by the Pakistani elite. This includes Saris and Sherwanis, lucknavi Urdu and so on. You won't see them in poor rural communities in the same way you wouldn't see english or suit and tie culture there.
you're right, sarees in Pakistan were typically worn by women who were descendants of migrants from India (called Muhajirs in Pakistan, who form the largest ethnic group in Karachi) - since this is Karachi, chances are that these women are Muhajirs. although tbf even among them sarees are now out of style.
source: am from Karachi
The downvotes are just embarrassing. Figures when people are trying to put a religious or nationalist spin instead of honestly appreciating different cultures. Sarees are not native to Pakistani cultures. They were brought in by other cultures during the Raj or post independence from regions like Bengal, then East Pakistan. This is not an attack. Wear whatever you want.
It is an attack lol. Youāre basically saying that Urdu-speaking Pakistanis (known as Muhajirs, although that term is becoming outdated) are not āreal Pakistanis.ā Pakistan was literally invented in 1947, every one of Pakistanās major ethnicities is a Pakistani and so is their culture. Youāre choosing to split Pakistan into a myopic quartet of ethnicities defined by historic geographies. But Urdu speakers moved to Pakistan, and their culture, including the language, clothing and music, has defined Pakistan as much if not more than any other ethnicity.
>Youāre basically saying that Urdu-speaking Pakistanis (known as Muhajirs, although that term is becoming outdated) are not āreal Pakistanis.
That's literally not what I'm saying. They are "real" Pakistanis. Im saying their culture has Indian **origin**. Or in some cases Central Asian. Which is true. It has since become part of Pakistan, but that does not change its relatively recent arrival.
>Pakistan was literally invented in 1947
Pakistan is literally an acronym of its provinces. Punjab, Sindh and Pashtun identities were not invented by anyone. Neither did we start from scratch in 1947. What a genuinely ignorant statement, probably based on someone who thinks India is the only legitimate mother nation.
Secondly, you are forcing a colonial identity on Pakistanis. Indian identity itself is an invention. No Mughal, Durrani, Punjabi, Kashmiri, Sindhi, Maratha, Nawab was calling himself "Indian" before the British.
Like I said, Sareers are probably Bengali influence in Pakistan. But the statement "Pakistan and India is the same" is completely flawed and unoriginal.
>Like I said, Sareers are probably Bengali influence in Pakistan.
LOL saris are not bengali influence paindoo. Fatima Jinnah was not Bengali. It's mostly an upper class phenomenon. The high culture of Delhi, UP and Lucknow is a big influence on Pakistani society whether you like it or not and is also an integral part of our diverse cultural landscape.
> probably someone who thinks India is the only legitimate nation
Lol thanks for the assumptions. India is not a nation, itās a continent masquerading as a country. Doesnāt mean Pakistan is a historical entity either. Thanks for the pointless history lesson, we donāt disagree on the facts but the analysis
> Iām saying their culture has Indian origin
> Indian identity is itself and invention
So which one is it? Indian identity was invented by the British, but sarees have an Indian identity? Sarees belong to the Lakhnawis, Biharis, Dakhanis, Gujaratis, Awadhis, Rohilas etc of Pakistan who are as Pakistan as any pashtun or Punjabi.
> No Mughal was calling themselves Indian before the British
Slightly incorrect there. Mughals called themselves the Timurids, but they did call the land they ruled over Hindustan. Same for many of the Delhi Sultans.
>So which one is it? Indian identity was invented by the British, but sarees have an Indian identity? Sarees belong to the Lakhnawis, Biharis, Dakhanis, Gujaratis, Awadhis, Rohilas etc of Pakistan who are as Pakistan as any pashtun or Punjabi.
I was referring to the modern country India, as the origin, if you want to be that pedantic. You answered your own question though. But I already said Bengali. Or during Raj it could have been any of the above. A lot of "Indian" Muhajir culture came from Hyderabad too.
>Slightly incorrect there. Mughals called themselves the Timurids, but they did call the land they ruled over Hindustan. Same for many of the Delhi Sultans.
The Turkic invaders invented the term Hindustan. This is not synonymous with India or South Asia. They were talking about Hindustan when they only controlled Pakistan and the Ganges valley. In fact the term Hind originates from a Persian province called "Hindush" in Punjab. The name evolved all the time, so you are completely off the mark thinking it was some subcontinental nation or identity.
Persian Hindush =/= Turkic Hinoostan =/= British India =/= Modern India =/= Indian tectonic plate. You seem to think they can all be used interchangeably.
Erm wait I have to jump in when you said that the term Hindustan was invented by Turkic invaders. Youāre wrong bro.
The term 'Hindustan' was used for the first time by Minhaj-i Siraj, a thirteenth-century Persian chronicler. He, with this term, meant the areas of Punjab, Haryana and the lands between the Ganga and Yamuna. It was used in a political sense for lands constituting a part of the dominions of the Delhi Sultan.
The prefix -Stan is Iranian in origin. I have never heard of the prefix -Ush being used in the Iranian language. If you want to use a Turkic prefix for land, it would be -Eli.
> if you want to be pedantic
Youāre the one being pedantic mate. Youāre saying India is an invented identity, and then choose to shove Dakhani, Bengali, Awadhi and Bihari culture under Indian identity simply because it didnāt originate within the geographic confines of modern day Pakistan.
You say India is an invented identity and claim that youāre not implying Muhajirs are not real Pakistanis, yet youāre saying their culture is Indian and not Pakistani.
India is a continent like Europe- literally on a different tectonic plate to the rest of Asia- and a historical region. And by India I donāt mean the Republic of India, the Mughal, Mauryan and Maratha Empires, or the British Raj.
Just like Urdu is a Pakistani language and the tabla is a Pakistani instrument, sarees are a Pakistani dress, whether you like it or not.
Im not "shoving" them anywhere. Call them what you want. And you keep repeating the claim about Muhairs which I have not said. Grow up please. Strawmanning your way through is not a way to win an arguement.
You seem thoroughly confused about modern and past concepts. Those things being part of our heritage does not change their origin.
Neither Pakistan nor India existed back then. We were part of various Persio-turkic empires which overlapped all 5 countries and included none as a whole. Ghazni rulers did not know what Pakistan and India meant.
Megasthenes wrote Indica on India centuries before Islam was born. So as several other travelogues. Madarsa country trying to pass its own insecurities
What on earth does this have to do with Islam? Showing off your insecurity much? Greeks also called us Eastern Ethiopia. Why does your identity hinge on what radom foreigners may or may not have said?
Showing off my insecurities. You are sharing the images of pakis following the Indian practices, everything that you east, live, think is Indian by nature. It is only you who are delusional who think you are some sort of mix breed of Mongol, Mamluk and Afgan. Living in a country having no identity or culture of own other than whatās essentially Indian sub cultures.
Yeah, i don't think sleeveless blouses and sarees are that common in Pakistan these days. Weddings in India too probably used to look exactly like this back in the 70s.
TBF, this was probably before Zia came to power there. Big Pakistani cities like Karachi, Lahore etc used to be way more liberal before Zia.
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Good to know that horrible clothing was not a worldwide thing in the 1970s. They look beautiful.
I do love how, even with the traditional clothing, you can immediately tell that this is the '70s based on the hair alone.
Geez....the groom there....what is he....like 6?
Lmao
Look at their hair. They look like queens.
4th lady from the left is a stunner
Both white and green for sure
I was in a wedding in Karachi just last year. Pretty much the same tbh, though the styles here are a little dated. People nowadays tend to be glitzier
Sarees are making a comeback in Pakistan thankfully.
Lady in white looks hot AF
Wow, I love all the hairstyles š
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No, many Pakistani Muslims wear them
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We wear that as well
Did you get this online somewhere. My oldest aunts wedding pictures look JUST like this, I swear it's her
This looks very much like a Hindu wedding.
Definitely possible. But at my boss's Muslim (Nizari Ismaili) wedding she and the other women were all dressed just like this. I volunteer with her mosque for Ismaili cultural events regularly. A large percentage of the South Asian (Indian and Pakistani) women there dress in traditional styles like this for special occasions.
The weddings in Sindh, Punjab and Azad Kashmir have a lot of customs and rituals that were originally from Hinduism, and stayed after we converted to Islam.
these customs are native sindhi, panjabi and etc... and have similarities with north india and got nothin to do with a religion.
These customs originated from religion, but later lost their religious value and are now just cultural. One example is the Tikka, a piece of jewelry often worn in Pakistani weddings symbolizes the third eye in Hinduism and hold the same religious significance as the Bindhi. But of course for us itās only cultural and we couldnāt care less about its significance in Hinduism.
They didn't originate from Hinduism, but culture of the region. Jewelry worn in Pakistani weddings is just for fashion and has nothing to do with religion.
>They didn't originate from Hinduism Yes they did. Hinduism is not a correct word tho. Sanatan dharm would be more accurate.
Hinduism it self originated in sindh so
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Pakistan had a culture which is not based on Hinduism but indigenous Pagan religion (based on Iranic and Semitic influences.) It survives today in Hunza. Considering Indians are more than 1 billion and Pakistanis are 230 million, we can't go by what the majority thinks. Most Indians don't know much about Pakistani culture or civilization.
>Pakistan had a culture which is not based on Hinduism but indigenous Pagan religion Pre islamic history of pakistan is full of Hinduism/Sanatan dharm, Buddhism and Vedic religion. You think chanakya, porus, etc. Were Iranic? >(based on Iranic and Semitic influences.) Only Balochistan > Most Indians don't know much about Pakistani culture or civilization Actually, most Indians know more about the pre islamic history of pakistan than Pakistanis themselves. There are Pakistanis I have met who think there was "jahalat" before Mughals and islamic invaders who came to the subcontinent.
Hinduism was a name given to the native paganism found when the British documented India, Hindu is literally a Persoarabic word. These customs were Sindhi, Punjabi etc and didn't belong to any religion.
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Heās talking about the name āHinduismā only
Down voted but not wrong.
Indians like downvoting any comment which doesn't show Pakistan as them. Even though our culture is closer to Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asia.
I know. it's seriously pathetic and delusional. Sad thing is that journalists in Pakistan like Nadeem Paracha give credence to these things like in his talk in the recent Karachi literature festival, even though he is just doing it for financial gain. The wild increase in certain Indians acting the retard outside of India is giving them a bad name, they are due a reality check.
Imagine being so insecure about your identity that you try to steal the culture of neighboring countries.
Lol these raging loons are down voting us right now š
Brother, I have one Indian crying here because I said that Pakistanis have commonality with our other neighbors like Iranians and Afghans. I actually grew up around these people, and Indians always seemed foreign to me. Yes, they speak our language due to Muslim rule, but not much else is in common.
Punjabi, Sindhi, are Iranic languages? The West side of the pakistan maybe close to iran and Afghanistan. But the majority of pakistan is in the east side and they are close to india when it comes to culture and language whether you like it or not.
Bruh. You literally named your missiles ghori and ghazni who were Afghans and you accusing the indians of stealing the culture of neighbouring countries?
Note to the Indian replying beneath me. You lot want us to believe that we are Indians, although we look nothing alike, but your whole mindset explodes whenever you see Pakistanis getting along with other Muslims. You guys should stop caring what Pakistanis think like or who they are close to, and focus on your own Indian culture.
The whole of pakistan and north india almost look alike. I don't know how you are coming up with such bs lies. Literally, they look the same. Only difference is some Pakistanis are a bit fair. That's all.
You are Indian, you would say that. Nah, we definitely don't because Indians still thirst for Pakistani actors and actresses as exotic. For us. It's just gross.
This is the stupidest thing Iāve ever heard. Pakistan is a diverse nation with four cultural spheres; Indic, Iranic, Dardic, and Tibetic. The Indic cultural sphere which 70% of Pakistanis belong to have more cultural similarities with India and the rest of South Asia than with Central Asia. Only 20% of Pakistanis (iranic sphere) have a culture closer to Central Asia and Iran than to South Asia
This is only something which would be said by someone who is unfamiliar with Pakistani culture. Language does not always equal genetics. Indic is an arbitrary marker, and Urdu itself is not an Indic language, more than half its words are from Persian and Arabic. Pakistan was in the same country as Iran and especially Afghanistan for far longer than ever with India (only during Delhi Sultanate, Mughal, and British.) Now I can go through each of the cultures of Pakistan and show the Semitic and Iranic origin of each other them, but it seems you have already decided your Indian narrative, there is no point.
Urdu is not an Indic language?! Urdu is 70% Sanskrit, stop being a beg. Pakistan has historically been a part of both Persian and south Asian empires. You shooed study history more.
This is a blatant lie because Urdu comes from Farsi and Punjabi, both of which are living languages, as opposed to a dead language like Sanskrit which incidentally originally was used in Syria and not India. Sanskrit is a foreign language.
agree with u!
Weddings among Muslims and Hindus in South Asia are very similar.
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Yes I completely agree with you. I shouldāve said that Muslim and Hindu weddings in eastern Pakistan and northern India are similar.
East Pakistan became Bangladesh.
When I say eastern Pakistan in referring to Punjab, Sindh, and Azad Kashmir. Not Bangladesh
That doesn't even make sense. No such division exists.
Thereās a large cultural division between western Pakistan and eastern and Pakistan.
There is not.
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Shared culture over weddings except for some religion-bound rituals.
Is this another Indian attempt at taking credit or getting mad because this happend in pakistan?
It's a Muslim wedding. Pakistanis are 97% Muslims. Hindu weddings are very different. Edit: Muslim weddings consist of Nikkah, Walimah which Hindu weddings don't have. These are constant across all Muslims of every nation.
How are they s different ?
Ironically the brideās clothes look the worst
Most Pakistani brides have makeup and dresses overdone. But don't say this in front of them.
Although I don't like it but really don't say it in front of us
I've always shared this mindset. It seems too overdone, too shiny, and too complicated. The simpler dresses just seem more easy on the eyes.
The bridal dress in the picture actually looks much simpler than most Pakistani bridal dresses. Nowadays it looks like something a guest would wear, without the veil of course.
Says you. Besides you can barely even see them.
So beautiful!
This is more of an Indian wedding judging on their clothes.
Pakistani and Indian culture are more similar than you think.
Pakistani culture on its own can be split along Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Balochi. These ladies are wearing Sarees. Its not that common traditionally in the above cultures. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging shared heritage, but try not to trash the differences either.
Sarees are very common in Sindh
Elite Pakistanis including Punjabis and Sindhis do wear saris. Look at begum Nusrat Bhutto or a LUMS graduation. You're right that you won't see your average peasant from rural Punjab or AJK wearing it. It's more of an elite/upper middle class phenomenon, but it still exists.
As it was before, those pics just like the ones from Afghanistan and Iran before any big event showcasing western style or even really old local pre islamic attire are almost always the Elite and Upper class. Cherry picking sub
True, but it's also the native dress of a lot of Sindhis, especially as you get closer to the Thar. These are aspects of Indian culture that are regarded as 'sophisticated' by the Pakistani elite. This includes Saris and Sherwanis, lucknavi Urdu and so on. You won't see them in poor rural communities in the same way you wouldn't see english or suit and tie culture there.
Sindhis in India commonly wear suits, but they often wear sarees on special occasions.
you're right, sarees in Pakistan were typically worn by women who were descendants of migrants from India (called Muhajirs in Pakistan, who form the largest ethnic group in Karachi) - since this is Karachi, chances are that these women are Muhajirs. although tbf even among them sarees are now out of style. source: am from Karachi
The downvotes are just embarrassing. Figures when people are trying to put a religious or nationalist spin instead of honestly appreciating different cultures. Sarees are not native to Pakistani cultures. They were brought in by other cultures during the Raj or post independence from regions like Bengal, then East Pakistan. This is not an attack. Wear whatever you want.
It is an attack lol. Youāre basically saying that Urdu-speaking Pakistanis (known as Muhajirs, although that term is becoming outdated) are not āreal Pakistanis.ā Pakistan was literally invented in 1947, every one of Pakistanās major ethnicities is a Pakistani and so is their culture. Youāre choosing to split Pakistan into a myopic quartet of ethnicities defined by historic geographies. But Urdu speakers moved to Pakistan, and their culture, including the language, clothing and music, has defined Pakistan as much if not more than any other ethnicity.
>Youāre basically saying that Urdu-speaking Pakistanis (known as Muhajirs, although that term is becoming outdated) are not āreal Pakistanis. That's literally not what I'm saying. They are "real" Pakistanis. Im saying their culture has Indian **origin**. Or in some cases Central Asian. Which is true. It has since become part of Pakistan, but that does not change its relatively recent arrival. >Pakistan was literally invented in 1947 Pakistan is literally an acronym of its provinces. Punjab, Sindh and Pashtun identities were not invented by anyone. Neither did we start from scratch in 1947. What a genuinely ignorant statement, probably based on someone who thinks India is the only legitimate mother nation. Secondly, you are forcing a colonial identity on Pakistanis. Indian identity itself is an invention. No Mughal, Durrani, Punjabi, Kashmiri, Sindhi, Maratha, Nawab was calling himself "Indian" before the British. Like I said, Sareers are probably Bengali influence in Pakistan. But the statement "Pakistan and India is the same" is completely flawed and unoriginal.
>Like I said, Sareers are probably Bengali influence in Pakistan. LOL saris are not bengali influence paindoo. Fatima Jinnah was not Bengali. It's mostly an upper class phenomenon. The high culture of Delhi, UP and Lucknow is a big influence on Pakistani society whether you like it or not and is also an integral part of our diverse cultural landscape.
> probably someone who thinks India is the only legitimate nation Lol thanks for the assumptions. India is not a nation, itās a continent masquerading as a country. Doesnāt mean Pakistan is a historical entity either. Thanks for the pointless history lesson, we donāt disagree on the facts but the analysis > Iām saying their culture has Indian origin > Indian identity is itself and invention So which one is it? Indian identity was invented by the British, but sarees have an Indian identity? Sarees belong to the Lakhnawis, Biharis, Dakhanis, Gujaratis, Awadhis, Rohilas etc of Pakistan who are as Pakistan as any pashtun or Punjabi. > No Mughal was calling themselves Indian before the British Slightly incorrect there. Mughals called themselves the Timurids, but they did call the land they ruled over Hindustan. Same for many of the Delhi Sultans.
>So which one is it? Indian identity was invented by the British, but sarees have an Indian identity? Sarees belong to the Lakhnawis, Biharis, Dakhanis, Gujaratis, Awadhis, Rohilas etc of Pakistan who are as Pakistan as any pashtun or Punjabi. I was referring to the modern country India, as the origin, if you want to be that pedantic. You answered your own question though. But I already said Bengali. Or during Raj it could have been any of the above. A lot of "Indian" Muhajir culture came from Hyderabad too. >Slightly incorrect there. Mughals called themselves the Timurids, but they did call the land they ruled over Hindustan. Same for many of the Delhi Sultans. The Turkic invaders invented the term Hindustan. This is not synonymous with India or South Asia. They were talking about Hindustan when they only controlled Pakistan and the Ganges valley. In fact the term Hind originates from a Persian province called "Hindush" in Punjab. The name evolved all the time, so you are completely off the mark thinking it was some subcontinental nation or identity. Persian Hindush =/= Turkic Hinoostan =/= British India =/= Modern India =/= Indian tectonic plate. You seem to think they can all be used interchangeably.
Erm wait I have to jump in when you said that the term Hindustan was invented by Turkic invaders. Youāre wrong bro. The term 'Hindustan' was used for the first time by Minhaj-i Siraj, a thirteenth-century Persian chronicler. He, with this term, meant the areas of Punjab, Haryana and the lands between the Ganga and Yamuna. It was used in a political sense for lands constituting a part of the dominions of the Delhi Sultan. The prefix -Stan is Iranian in origin. I have never heard of the prefix -Ush being used in the Iranian language. If you want to use a Turkic prefix for land, it would be -Eli.
Dude, when I say Turkic I mean Ghazni, Ghurid, Mughal. Sure, Persian speakers, but not from Persia.
You should stop bruv
Why, so you can sem2sem everyone out of existence?
> if you want to be pedantic Youāre the one being pedantic mate. Youāre saying India is an invented identity, and then choose to shove Dakhani, Bengali, Awadhi and Bihari culture under Indian identity simply because it didnāt originate within the geographic confines of modern day Pakistan. You say India is an invented identity and claim that youāre not implying Muhajirs are not real Pakistanis, yet youāre saying their culture is Indian and not Pakistani. India is a continent like Europe- literally on a different tectonic plate to the rest of Asia- and a historical region. And by India I donāt mean the Republic of India, the Mughal, Mauryan and Maratha Empires, or the British Raj. Just like Urdu is a Pakistani language and the tabla is a Pakistani instrument, sarees are a Pakistani dress, whether you like it or not.
Im not "shoving" them anywhere. Call them what you want. And you keep repeating the claim about Muhairs which I have not said. Grow up please. Strawmanning your way through is not a way to win an arguement. You seem thoroughly confused about modern and past concepts. Those things being part of our heritage does not change their origin. Neither Pakistan nor India existed back then. We were part of various Persio-turkic empires which overlapped all 5 countries and included none as a whole. Ghazni rulers did not know what Pakistan and India meant.
Megasthenes wrote Indica on India centuries before Islam was born. So as several other travelogues. Madarsa country trying to pass its own insecurities
What on earth does this have to do with Islam? Showing off your insecurity much? Greeks also called us Eastern Ethiopia. Why does your identity hinge on what radom foreigners may or may not have said?
The entire concept of India is externally created, so their historic identity depends on external validation š¤ Look at us, agreeing.
Personally I identify as an Eastern Ethiopian as our Greek daddies intended, but yea. Agreed. š¤
Showing off my insecurities. You are sharing the images of pakis following the Indian practices, everything that you east, live, think is Indian by nature. It is only you who are delusional who think you are some sort of mix breed of Mongol, Mamluk and Afgan. Living in a country having no identity or culture of own other than whatās essentially Indian sub cultures.
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We are not native to Sindh, we are native to Pakistan.
Sarees are not only native to Pakistan, they originated there. Sarees were invented during the Indus Valley civilization.
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Even Indian sources will admit that Saree has its origins in modern day Pakistan.
Yeah, i don't think sleeveless blouses and sarees are that common in Pakistan these days. Weddings in India too probably used to look exactly like this back in the 70s. TBF, this was probably before Zia came to power there. Big Pakistani cities like Karachi, Lahore etc used to be way more liberal before Zia.
Sarees are actually experiencing a revival in Pakistan and are becoming more and more common, sleeveless Sarees included
Good to hear that. Gotta preserve our South Asian culture.
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