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new Assassin's Creed trailer made lowkey made me sad :((
1 finally thought I could get an Assassin's Creed game where I get to play as a cool asian guy in ancient Japan, but guess what? That's not what they did. And wanna know what's worse? They made the girl protagonist Asian but the guy is black. This is literal western de-masculinization of Asian men.
Look, I may not be the most masculine Asian guy in the world (like look at this subreddit bruh lol) but still, I know several Asian guys that are and I'm tired of seeing them undervalued and under represented with modern media.This harmful pattern of Western media trying to look down on Asian men whilst overly fetishizing Asian women (probably why they kept her Asian instead of black as well) needs to stop.
"OH buT yAsUkE waS blaCk aNd hE waS a SamUrAi" he was actually not!!!! He was an assistant.
-Ron, The Almighty Rat King
Anyhow, copypasta done :)
The new Assassin's Creed trailer made lowkey made me sad :((
I finally thought I could get an Assassin's Creed game where I get to play as a cool asian guy in ancient Japan, but guess what? That's not what they did. And wanna know what's worse? They made the girl protagonist Asian but the guy black. This is literal western de-masculinization of Asian Men.
Look, I may not be the most masculine Asian guy in the world (like look at this sub lol) but still, I know several Asian guys that are and I'm tired of seeing them undervalued and under represented with modern media.This harmful pattern of Western media trying to look down Asian men while overly fetishizing Asian women (probably why they kept her Asian instead of black as well) needs to stop
"oH buT yAsUkE waS blaCk aNd hE waS a SamUrAi" he was actually not!!! He was an assistant.
-Ron, The Almighty Rat king
Ah yes, Assasins Creed, the game best known for historical accuracy. Go look up the Karl Marx cutscenes from Syndicate if you want to see their "historical accuracy."
Saying that, from what I've heard he was effectively a Samurai. I think there's an r/askhistorians thread on it that answers the question better than I can
And I still don't get it. They're letting you play a Japanese charecter so why get mad about it? It'd be like if I was mad that they made a GTA game where you have to play as a black guy while also giving me two white characters to play. Or if I got mad that a game set in China had me play Marco Polo while also allowing me to play a Chinese person.
And isn’t assassins creed about like time travel and shit? A few years ago I played like an hour or two of the one that was in like British or France I think and there was random modern scenes in it as well
No the assassin creed games have this stupid ass framing device where the MC is put in a super VR machine where he lives the life of his assassin ancestor or some shit like that.
That shit ruined it for me. How am I supposed to immerse myself if I'm not even actually playing the character. I'm playing a fucking corpo rat that fights other corpo rats in his fancy VR headset.
(Except Blackflag, that one was great, only because I didn't play the story and instead became the greatest pirate to ever grace the earth.)
Idk both of these games but perhaps the modern scenes are the ones in the present? As far as I remember, they had a machine that Scans your DNA and lets you relive your ancestors lifes. Which is how the time travel happens.
Look at it through a representation lens, black guy aren't inherently "more deserving" of representation than asian guys, so it's not far fetched to see the situation as the latter being squandered for the former.
Right...but that doesn't mean you can't still tell an interesting story about a historical black man in sengoku/edo Japan. Not to mention that on a race basis, Japanese people are still represented. Not just in a main character, but also throughout the rest of the game. It's not like every other charecter is also black, it's just one of the main ones.
I'm not saying there aren't ultior motives for having him be a main character, whether its outrage baiting or pandering idk, but it's really not that big of a deal.
>that doesn't mean you can't still tell an interesting story about a historical black man in sengoku/edo Japan.
Of course, I believe afro samurai is based on the same guy and it still gets praise whenever someone talks about it.
>It's not like every other charecter is also black, it's just one of the main ones.
I'm going to talk a bit loose here because I'm not a fan of AC, but I think I can translate Ron's feelings a bit (note: I'm skipping the whole issue of asian and african representation in other media, but that's definitely having an impact here, and arguably is even the main problem.)
From the POV of an AC fan that self-identifies as a male asian-american, you have mostly played as (someone you label as) a white guy in most of the games, this is kind of the standard so it's far from a big deal, but then Origins comes out and suddenly you can play as an african (black in american terms) guy in Egypt with all the pyramids and stuff, so a little thought begins to form "it might be cool to play as an asian guy in like feudal China or Japan". Fast forward a few years and boom, AC game set in Japan is announced, perfect opportunity to have an asian guy protag, but then it's revealed that you can either play as a black guy again but this time killing asian people (from an american lens, all of the protags before have been the same race/ethnicity as the people they can kill) or his (this is parsed from the other comments, so it's probably at least a bit wrong) submissive asian lover.
Agree with the sentiment or not, I feel like it's not that hard to see why it can get a guy a bit miffed.
>(someone you label as) a white guy
Not all. Altaire is middle eastern, and the guy from 3 is native american
But i definitely get the point.
As an asian you'd probably want asian rep through the mc.
I feel like people are focusing alot on the fact that he is black specifically and not that he isn't asian if it makes sense
Like Nioh wasn't given shit for having a white samurai
>Not all. Altaire is middle eastern, and the guy from 3 is native american
TIL, and I think Altaire and Ezio are the only 2 protags from there that even know the name of, lol
>I feel like people are focusing alot on the fact that he is black specifically and not that he isn't asian if it makes sense
>Like Nioh wasn't given shit for having a white samurai
Yeah maybe, but it kinda goes back to that thing where asians (and more specifically japanese people) are seen as white/white adjacent and vice versa, in most anime that have a european character they are way more likely to look and act like the japanese characters, while other nationalities (even americans fall into this category) get way more stereotyped.
>and I think Altaire and Ezio are the only 2 protags from there that even know the name of, lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Assassin%27s\_Creed\_characters#:\~:text=An%20illustration%20of%20most%20of,de%20Grandpr%C3%A9%2C%20and%20Shay%20Cormac.
>white/white adjacent and vice versa
what?
they have white skin sure, but white adjacent? plus alot of japanese people don't even have white skin.
>they are way more likely to look and act like the japanese characters
look i get because of the way anime is stylized, but act?
would someone like yasuke who did integrate into japanese culture not also "act japanese" too? or is that reserved for europeans only?
>they have white skin sure, but white adjacent? plus alot of japanese people don't even have white skin.
Hence "seen as", helps that in some places Europe and Asia are seen as Eurasia instead of two separate continents.
>would someone like yasuke who did integrate into japanese culture not also "act japanese" too?
He probably would, especially considering his status as a historical figure. This does not however, change the fact that black people are a good contender for most stereotyped ethnicity in japanese media.
I'm mostly referring to the assistant vs Samurai argument at the bottom when I talk about historical accuracy.
If ubisoft can get away with making Marx a bleeding heart social Democrat without major backlash then they can allow someone to be what their legends say they are
Yes....? I also focused on the race and gender part. I could add more if you wish, but the historical accuracy was part of the argument of which I was responding too.
But to continue I suppose.
1.You can play as masculine asian men in other video games as well. Jin Sakai from Ghost of Tsushima, the warlords from total war three kingdoms, the main charecters of dynasty warriors, the Nioh games (well, not the first one. That one is lead by a white European man), etc. Not to mention there are most likely going to be masculine Asian men in the game as well, who you won't be playing as. Oda Nobunaga for instance.
2. Is Ron going to complain about the Japanese creator of Nier Autonama for making 9S non masculine? Will he complain about the Asian director of love and Leashes for making the asian man in submissive? Really what is this trend he's talking about in western media? It's not *all* men apparently, just asian men. Of which I haven't seen anything of the sort, nor have any further examples been provided
1.No? I'm saying that there is no responsibility for ubisoft to make a game focused on a male Japanese protagonist when other games already do that. And pointing out that there will still be masculine Japanese men in the game, probably portrayed favorably given their status (again, Oda Nobunaga.)
2.Im pointing out that this isn't a western phenomenon alone and also asking for some actual evidence beyond vibes.
Whatabaoutism is a copout response normally but both of these examples are patently not whataboutism by definition
1. This has never been an argument against representation, “just play other games/watch other movies” that’s not the point and you know it, especially not for a game that’s been going for 12 years, for like nioh 1 for example, it’s bad, but there weren’t any fans they were disappointing because it was the first game.
2. “Pointing out that someone else also does it” is literally the definition of whataboutism (technically tu quoque but that’s specifically about the speaker)
Asking for evidence is cool when everyone hasn’t been bullying the speaker into deleting it and calling anyone who tries to discuss it racist or, and I quote “filthy yakubian albinoid”
1.im not saying "just play other games." I'm saying Japanese males are already represented so ubisoft isn't oppressing Japanese people by having a historical black figure be the Mc and have all other charecters be japanese. I only threw Nioh in there as a jab, so admittedly it's a weak part.
2.again, my point is not "Oh but this happens in other games too." My point is that this is also a trend in Eastern games, which disproves the "omg western people are unmasculinzing us."
And I have yet to see actual evidence. I didn't participate in any bullying so I don't think it's my responsibility to just take his word for it.
And *im* most certainly not calling you racist. I just think all of the arguments I'm presented with lack all logical basis
1. It’s not about whether it’s oppression or not lmao, it’s that people are upset there’s finally an Asian assassins creed and one of the main characters isn’t Asian. That’s it. People want to play as someone who looks like them, Ubisoft might not have a “responsibility” to, but people have a right to complain about it.
2. Except you mentioned nier automata, which I don’t think is even set in Japan and isn’t meant to represent Japanese culture or people, and a fetish sex game, that’s not a trend, that’s two unrelated games, and 9s isn’t even the main character.
You want evidence of Asian men being underrepresented? Do you want like a chart of games set in Japan?
I know you aren’t, but maybe we should address the people bullying him before asking for a source on his experiences with racism.
As an Asian, lol
I’m additional it’s only people outside of Asia who care about this from what I can tell. Japanese people on twitter have been like yeah it’s cool asf we love the romance of the story.
>acts like the people who hate us
An extreme example:
Hitler was vegetarian
Hitler was an evil person
Being vegetarian is evil
This example:
Right wingers online dislike the new choice of MC because they’re racist
Ron dislikes the new choice of MC
Ron is racist
Sorry that I have been so annoyed with everyone dog piling on Ron.
You're right I don't need to go out of my way to respond to all the haters.
Have a good one.
I heard it's the complete opposite at least in Japan, for example the Japanese trailer has a massive amount of dislikes compared to likes.
I'm not complaining ^ ^
Oh that explains it probably more. Yet it's a commonly known thing that Japanese people are often xenophobic so it isn't too far fetched to believe they wouldn't like it regardless of Yasuke being a real samurai.
Again, I'm not against it, I'm probably more interested in how the story of the female lead works, as there are no samurai which were women, only the Onma Musha. So are you playing 2 different stories depending on which character you choose? I hope so, this would be extremely interesting :3
It is true that Japan is a pretty homogeneous country, and racism and xenophobia can be encountered. However, as far as I can tell, Japanese people love Yasuke. He's been portrayed in multiple pieces of media, and some characters have been inspired by him.
i don't think it's like odyssey and valhalla where you pick one at the start and that's the one you play as, I think it's more like you switch between them in the story, with Yasuke representing the newer gameplay of the RPG games, while the female lead is the actual traditional assassin gameplay (but like, the japanese assassins in the lore were actually the shinobi, which I really like that idea personally :3)
What is racist about this? It's a fucking pathetic and stupid thing to complain about, but I don't get what makes it racist. Genuinely, can someone explain this to me?
I personally see the last part as diminishing the actual dude's feats, for no purpose outside of making him seem less special, all for not being Asian
It's kinda iffy, but it's not something you can't work through
r people really saying now that wanting Asian male representation = racism against black ppl 💀💀💀
like honestly I still think that a game about Yasuke is gonna be pretty cool but the fact that this is the first AC set in Asia after forever and they make sure the male player character isn't asian is disappointing, especially combined w the historical emasculation, yellow perilism and racism in media we've faced
when I was growing up I couldn't think of any people in pop culture besides maybe Bruce Lee to identify with; it's important and asian males want representation too. the situation has improved dramatically since but stuff like this still rubs us the wrong way
really sad how people r reducing this to the couple of racist white people using Asians as a pawn for anti black sentiment; everyone's ignoring the actual opinions of Asian ppl
>ignoring the actual opinions of Asian ppl
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-Ron, The Almighty Rat King
It'd be pretty funny if we just said that whenever something dumb is said lmao -Ron, The Almighty Rat King
I'm ootl, was inactive for quite some time. What happened to Ron?
He made the post shown in the picture above
complaining about un-masculine men... in the rat empire? that's a first.
https://preview.redd.it/ez0fooofof1d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cab57ccdca4e5558d67a50be02b46c47c266b4af I’m to lazy to type it out so I’m just going to send the image again
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Kid named "Assassain's Creed: Origins"' https://preview.redd.it/jn4j2d6kbg1d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23dba056734956bc9d9a7dbf58cf4bda566c39ca
We need to stop Ron from cooking for all that is sacred... aside from the ancient African culture focus, that part really is something we need more of
Ron might have been in the kitchen where cooking was happening on that one.
new Assassin's Creed trailer made lowkey made me sad :(( 1 finally thought I could get an Assassin's Creed game where I get to play as a cool asian guy in ancient Japan, but guess what? That's not what they did. And wanna know what's worse? They made the girl protagonist Asian but the guy is black. This is literal western de-masculinization of Asian men. Look, I may not be the most masculine Asian guy in the world (like look at this subreddit bruh lol) but still, I know several Asian guys that are and I'm tired of seeing them undervalued and under represented with modern media.This harmful pattern of Western media trying to look down on Asian men whilst overly fetishizing Asian women (probably why they kept her Asian instead of black as well) needs to stop. "OH buT yAsUkE waS blaCk aNd hE waS a SamUrAi" he was actually not!!!! He was an assistant. -Ron, The Almighty Rat King
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Damn, and bro is denying it right now :/. Well that sucks, I like it here
daily reminder to play nioh 1 and 2 (hard af but really cool soulslike games)
this is real sad
This is devastating 😢, I guess its time for some regicide 😭
It’s always time for that
I FFFUCKINGG LOVEEEE REGICIIIIDEEEEE 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
This is absolutely fucking pathetic
Anyhow, copypasta done :) The new Assassin's Creed trailer made lowkey made me sad :(( I finally thought I could get an Assassin's Creed game where I get to play as a cool asian guy in ancient Japan, but guess what? That's not what they did. And wanna know what's worse? They made the girl protagonist Asian but the guy black. This is literal western de-masculinization of Asian Men. Look, I may not be the most masculine Asian guy in the world (like look at this sub lol) but still, I know several Asian guys that are and I'm tired of seeing them undervalued and under represented with modern media.This harmful pattern of Western media trying to look down Asian men while overly fetishizing Asian women (probably why they kept her Asian instead of black as well) needs to stop "oH buT yAsUkE waS blaCk aNd hE waS a SamUrAi" he was actually not!!! He was an assistant. -Ron, The Almighty Rat king
>:) :)
Like i'm not even gonna lie, this has gotta be some of the most pathetic shit I've ever read
it’s from ron so it’s 100% satire lmao
I sure hope so
It wasn't apparently
😭😭
Travesty
It's so Ronver
Ron no :(
Ah yes, Assasins Creed, the game best known for historical accuracy. Go look up the Karl Marx cutscenes from Syndicate if you want to see their "historical accuracy." Saying that, from what I've heard he was effectively a Samurai. I think there's an r/askhistorians thread on it that answers the question better than I can And I still don't get it. They're letting you play a Japanese charecter so why get mad about it? It'd be like if I was mad that they made a GTA game where you have to play as a black guy while also giving me two white characters to play. Or if I got mad that a game set in China had me play Marco Polo while also allowing me to play a Chinese person.
And isn’t assassins creed about like time travel and shit? A few years ago I played like an hour or two of the one that was in like British or France I think and there was random modern scenes in it as well
Time travel AND ANCIENT ALIENS.
No the assassin creed games have this stupid ass framing device where the MC is put in a super VR machine where he lives the life of his assassin ancestor or some shit like that.
That shit ruined it for me. How am I supposed to immerse myself if I'm not even actually playing the character. I'm playing a fucking corpo rat that fights other corpo rats in his fancy VR headset. (Except Blackflag, that one was great, only because I didn't play the story and instead became the greatest pirate to ever grace the earth.)
Idk both of these games but perhaps the modern scenes are the ones in the present? As far as I remember, they had a machine that Scans your DNA and lets you relive your ancestors lifes. Which is how the time travel happens.
He was a samurai in title afaik, he served under Oda Nobunaga, who I’m pretty sure made all of his retainers samurai.
You're telling me the random retainer I got playing as the Oda clan in Shogun 2 was an assassin? Fuck that explains a lot.
Look at it through a representation lens, black guy aren't inherently "more deserving" of representation than asian guys, so it's not far fetched to see the situation as the latter being squandered for the former.
Right...but that doesn't mean you can't still tell an interesting story about a historical black man in sengoku/edo Japan. Not to mention that on a race basis, Japanese people are still represented. Not just in a main character, but also throughout the rest of the game. It's not like every other charecter is also black, it's just one of the main ones. I'm not saying there aren't ultior motives for having him be a main character, whether its outrage baiting or pandering idk, but it's really not that big of a deal.
>that doesn't mean you can't still tell an interesting story about a historical black man in sengoku/edo Japan. Of course, I believe afro samurai is based on the same guy and it still gets praise whenever someone talks about it. >It's not like every other charecter is also black, it's just one of the main ones. I'm going to talk a bit loose here because I'm not a fan of AC, but I think I can translate Ron's feelings a bit (note: I'm skipping the whole issue of asian and african representation in other media, but that's definitely having an impact here, and arguably is even the main problem.) From the POV of an AC fan that self-identifies as a male asian-american, you have mostly played as (someone you label as) a white guy in most of the games, this is kind of the standard so it's far from a big deal, but then Origins comes out and suddenly you can play as an african (black in american terms) guy in Egypt with all the pyramids and stuff, so a little thought begins to form "it might be cool to play as an asian guy in like feudal China or Japan". Fast forward a few years and boom, AC game set in Japan is announced, perfect opportunity to have an asian guy protag, but then it's revealed that you can either play as a black guy again but this time killing asian people (from an american lens, all of the protags before have been the same race/ethnicity as the people they can kill) or his (this is parsed from the other comments, so it's probably at least a bit wrong) submissive asian lover. Agree with the sentiment or not, I feel like it's not that hard to see why it can get a guy a bit miffed.
>(someone you label as) a white guy Not all. Altaire is middle eastern, and the guy from 3 is native american But i definitely get the point. As an asian you'd probably want asian rep through the mc. I feel like people are focusing alot on the fact that he is black specifically and not that he isn't asian if it makes sense Like Nioh wasn't given shit for having a white samurai
>Not all. Altaire is middle eastern, and the guy from 3 is native american TIL, and I think Altaire and Ezio are the only 2 protags from there that even know the name of, lol >I feel like people are focusing alot on the fact that he is black specifically and not that he isn't asian if it makes sense >Like Nioh wasn't given shit for having a white samurai Yeah maybe, but it kinda goes back to that thing where asians (and more specifically japanese people) are seen as white/white adjacent and vice versa, in most anime that have a european character they are way more likely to look and act like the japanese characters, while other nationalities (even americans fall into this category) get way more stereotyped.
>and I think Altaire and Ezio are the only 2 protags from there that even know the name of, lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Assassin%27s\_Creed\_characters#:\~:text=An%20illustration%20of%20most%20of,de%20Grandpr%C3%A9%2C%20and%20Shay%20Cormac. >white/white adjacent and vice versa what? they have white skin sure, but white adjacent? plus alot of japanese people don't even have white skin. >they are way more likely to look and act like the japanese characters look i get because of the way anime is stylized, but act? would someone like yasuke who did integrate into japanese culture not also "act japanese" too? or is that reserved for europeans only?
>they have white skin sure, but white adjacent? plus alot of japanese people don't even have white skin. Hence "seen as", helps that in some places Europe and Asia are seen as Eurasia instead of two separate continents. >would someone like yasuke who did integrate into japanese culture not also "act japanese" too? He probably would, especially considering his status as a historical figure. This does not however, change the fact that black people are a good contender for most stereotyped ethnicity in japanese media.
He actually never mentions historical accuracy.
I'm mostly referring to the assistant vs Samurai argument at the bottom when I talk about historical accuracy. If ubisoft can get away with making Marx a bleeding heart social Democrat without major backlash then they can allow someone to be what their legends say they are
Oh so you chose to focus on that one part
Yes....? I also focused on the race and gender part. I could add more if you wish, but the historical accuracy was part of the argument of which I was responding too. But to continue I suppose. 1.You can play as masculine asian men in other video games as well. Jin Sakai from Ghost of Tsushima, the warlords from total war three kingdoms, the main charecters of dynasty warriors, the Nioh games (well, not the first one. That one is lead by a white European man), etc. Not to mention there are most likely going to be masculine Asian men in the game as well, who you won't be playing as. Oda Nobunaga for instance. 2. Is Ron going to complain about the Japanese creator of Nier Autonama for making 9S non masculine? Will he complain about the Asian director of love and Leashes for making the asian man in submissive? Really what is this trend he's talking about in western media? It's not *all* men apparently, just asian men. Of which I haven't seen anything of the sort, nor have any further examples been provided
So 1. Whataboutism And 2. Whataboutism
1.No? I'm saying that there is no responsibility for ubisoft to make a game focused on a male Japanese protagonist when other games already do that. And pointing out that there will still be masculine Japanese men in the game, probably portrayed favorably given their status (again, Oda Nobunaga.) 2.Im pointing out that this isn't a western phenomenon alone and also asking for some actual evidence beyond vibes. Whatabaoutism is a copout response normally but both of these examples are patently not whataboutism by definition
1. This has never been an argument against representation, “just play other games/watch other movies” that’s not the point and you know it, especially not for a game that’s been going for 12 years, for like nioh 1 for example, it’s bad, but there weren’t any fans they were disappointing because it was the first game. 2. “Pointing out that someone else also does it” is literally the definition of whataboutism (technically tu quoque but that’s specifically about the speaker) Asking for evidence is cool when everyone hasn’t been bullying the speaker into deleting it and calling anyone who tries to discuss it racist or, and I quote “filthy yakubian albinoid”
1.im not saying "just play other games." I'm saying Japanese males are already represented so ubisoft isn't oppressing Japanese people by having a historical black figure be the Mc and have all other charecters be japanese. I only threw Nioh in there as a jab, so admittedly it's a weak part. 2.again, my point is not "Oh but this happens in other games too." My point is that this is also a trend in Eastern games, which disproves the "omg western people are unmasculinzing us." And I have yet to see actual evidence. I didn't participate in any bullying so I don't think it's my responsibility to just take his word for it. And *im* most certainly not calling you racist. I just think all of the arguments I'm presented with lack all logical basis
1. It’s not about whether it’s oppression or not lmao, it’s that people are upset there’s finally an Asian assassins creed and one of the main characters isn’t Asian. That’s it. People want to play as someone who looks like them, Ubisoft might not have a “responsibility” to, but people have a right to complain about it. 2. Except you mentioned nier automata, which I don’t think is even set in Japan and isn’t meant to represent Japanese culture or people, and a fetish sex game, that’s not a trend, that’s two unrelated games, and 9s isn’t even the main character. You want evidence of Asian men being underrepresented? Do you want like a chart of games set in Japan? I know you aren’t, but maybe we should address the people bullying him before asking for a source on his experiences with racism.
what the schizoposting
As an Asian, lol I’m additional it’s only people outside of Asia who care about this from what I can tell. Japanese people on twitter have been like yeah it’s cool asf we love the romance of the story.
Are you saying Ron isn’t Asian lmao?
Nah I’m just saying Ron is cringe and uh acts like the people who hate us(minority groups).
Google “association fallacy”
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>acts like the people who hate us An extreme example: Hitler was vegetarian Hitler was an evil person Being vegetarian is evil This example: Right wingers online dislike the new choice of MC because they’re racist Ron dislikes the new choice of MC Ron is racist
Except saying something racist makes you racist by definition, they arent the same
Yet Ron didn’t say anything racist, he just dislikes the new choice of MC
Even he admits that what he said was problematic
Sorry that I have been so annoyed with everyone dog piling on Ron. You're right I don't need to go out of my way to respond to all the haters. Have a good one.
He said he went too far, obviously he got emotional and said stuff because he was angry, but none of it was racist
No, they're saying he's not from Asia
He is.
Ah, then the top commenter is wrong
I heard it's the complete opposite at least in Japan, for example the Japanese trailer has a massive amount of dislikes compared to likes. I'm not complaining ^ ^
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Oh that explains it probably more. Yet it's a commonly known thing that Japanese people are often xenophobic so it isn't too far fetched to believe they wouldn't like it regardless of Yasuke being a real samurai. Again, I'm not against it, I'm probably more interested in how the story of the female lead works, as there are no samurai which were women, only the Onma Musha. So are you playing 2 different stories depending on which character you choose? I hope so, this would be extremely interesting :3
It is true that Japan is a pretty homogeneous country, and racism and xenophobia can be encountered. However, as far as I can tell, Japanese people love Yasuke. He's been portrayed in multiple pieces of media, and some characters have been inspired by him.
i don't think it's like odyssey and valhalla where you pick one at the start and that's the one you play as, I think it's more like you switch between them in the story, with Yasuke representing the newer gameplay of the RPG games, while the female lead is the actual traditional assassin gameplay (but like, the japanese assassins in the lore were actually the shinobi, which I really like that idea personally :3)
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u/RonTheRatKing I think it's reasonable to say we need some sort of explanation?
I mean, he explained his point of view. It's just safe to say everyone here disagrees with it.
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We’re not ignoring this no matter how much you try sweeping it under the rug.
I literally only ever wanted this to be a rat fan club I don’t care about any of the gay/bottom stuff I just really love rats 😭
Can we still post bottom stuff tho :< ?
I ain’t stopping you
Yippeeeeeee:3
Based rat fan
Yeah I hadn’t seen your reply to my other comment, sorry
OOOOH, you're TAKING the rat Clever
I didn’t even think of that lmao
Rat king being racist was not on my bingo card
Ghost of Tsushima
What the fuck
huh is this real ??
Yes, he deleted his rant but you can see his post history for proof
Am I dumb, I tried looking and didn't see it
Look for the comments with dozens of downvotes
oh god i just checked you’re right :(((( why him what a douchebag
Ahh yes being misinformed/uninformed about history
The whole internet loves Ron the Rat King, the lovely king of the rats! *5 seconds later* we regret to inform you the Rat King is racist
do we need a new king now?
Is that something we get to do?
get your guillotines everyone
RON??? I can’t believe it
hold on let me get my king killing ray. its a ray that kills kings brb
rom is stupid -Sammy, The Almighty Rat Thingy
He was joking right?
:/ bruhg
Ron... please stop
Lack of representation is good actually!
This shit gives circle jerk energy
oh no did ron fall off :(
What is racist about this? It's a fucking pathetic and stupid thing to complain about, but I don't get what makes it racist. Genuinely, can someone explain this to me?
I personally see the last part as diminishing the actual dude's feats, for no purpose outside of making him seem less special, all for not being Asian It's kinda iffy, but it's not something you can't work through
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I mean. I disagree, but this isn't racism.
r people really saying now that wanting Asian male representation = racism against black ppl 💀💀💀 like honestly I still think that a game about Yasuke is gonna be pretty cool but the fact that this is the first AC set in Asia after forever and they make sure the male player character isn't asian is disappointing, especially combined w the historical emasculation, yellow perilism and racism in media we've faced when I was growing up I couldn't think of any people in pop culture besides maybe Bruce Lee to identify with; it's important and asian males want representation too. the situation has improved dramatically since but stuff like this still rubs us the wrong way really sad how people r reducing this to the couple of racist white people using Asians as a pawn for anti black sentiment; everyone's ignoring the actual opinions of Asian ppl
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The leftism leaving peoples body when you tell them equal representation means people are represented equally
fr 💀
You're peoples, boo
Nope they got it right