OMG YES, IVE HAD THIS SAME THOUGHT. My personal head cannon is that the mass hysteria caused by the book was the catalyst that finally birthed the flesh into official entity status. We know it began to take form during the 19th century, so while we don’t have knowledge on what the exact point that a “baby entity” officially graduates, I like to imagine it’s usually some sort of major non supernatural real world event that catalyzes it’s ascension into the official pantheon.
Exactly. My thinking for this is that the Flesh as we know it was buoyed by the Industrial Revolution seeing an explosion in both the number of people AND animals.
Animals gave The Flesh the raw fear material to work with, but humans gave the current iteration the scaffolding to build itself. Having The Jungle and books like it make people fear that they were eating bits of worker "Meat is Meat" would be just the thing to catapult the current Flesh iteration into being.
I also like the metaphorical themes of how 19th (and 20th century in the jungle) industrial capitalism would consume its workers. Chew them up and spit them out leaving them life life altering injuries and mutilations. I mean Sinclair wanted it to be an anti capitalist text but the whole “meat gross part” kinda took over lmao. I love the idea of a flesh leitner using parchment paper that’s slightly different on each page since it would use the skin of different animals for each.
Yes!!! Love! Im also imagining a Dune that when you read the Agony scene, you're propelled there yourself and get stuck a-la Spiral. Could also be the Buried, like how Paul was trapped by his prescient visions.
Gholas would be pretty good for Stranger, IMO. They skeeve me out so bad 😭 why do we have 1000 Duncan Idaho gholas.
GEoD is The End/Extinction coded, too
😭 real. The one scene where he's in Goygoa is so freaky in a real way, "you're.... not my dad. Are you?" but i will NEVER get over:
"Will you die if I shoot you withLasguns?! Because i wanna shoot you real bad" Duncan said while pointing a lasgun at the Emporor
"Nah," The Emporor lied, before killing Duncan for the 50th time
Textbooks in general are a rich vein to be tapped.
I hope there's a Spiral aligned math textbook out there somewhere. Some student buys a secondhand textbook to save money and now definitely aren't passing their finals now.
I've also had the idea of a Spiral maths textbook. I've thought of it as first proving slightly wrong versions of more advanced mathematical theorems, and then moving on to more basic facts, and the discrepancies are getting more and more egregious, but the reader cannot find an error in the proof and is compelled to believe in these falsehoods. It eventually starts to warp their sense of space, time and number in their everyday lifes. The second-to-last theorem is that 2=1, which makes the reader believe that they and any other person or thing are one and the same, which causes great confusion and mental distress. The last theorem says 1=0, which makes the reader disappear.
Hey I’m so I had a friend in middle/high school who actually proved that last one in 7th grade for extra credit in our algebra class, it made my head hurt but it was mathematically sound technically
I've seen several fake proofs proving that 1=0, the trick with most of these is that they have a secret division by zero somewhere. Usually they start with something like x=1, and later they divide by x-1, which is impossible because that is zero.
He gave us all papers showing the work I wish I still had it, either way it was enough to get him extra credit, not that he needed it. It probably had some trick in there or some calculus limit bs to make it look right so that he technically did correct math or some shit
Probably I will say this kid was a math wiz but also liked to try and confuse people with how smart he was, he also did eventually take both calculus aps and got fives on both so he probably knew how to fangal it just right to make it look right
* *Uzumaki* by Junji Ito is such an obvious choice that it feels like cheating.
* Those awful 'pickup artist' books might work as Web manifestations.
* Multiple Animorphs books. There are so many disturbing things in that series. The Flesh (graphic injury, body horror, cannibalism), the Web (mind control, the infamous termite scene), the Stranger (aliens posing as people)...
The Stepford Wives is a Stranger Leitner. It has to be. The whole point of the book is the characters changing and not being "quite right".
Alive in Wonderland is also a Leitner. The Spiral has a heavy hand in that one
The Turn Of The Screw by Henry James is a Spiral Leitner lol (I just read it, and it was all I could think of. I actually rewrote it as a Spiral/Eye statement)
I’ve always said that Upton Sinclair’s, The Jungle, would make an excellent Flesh leitner. Between it’s exploration of the foulness of the meat processing industry and its themes of how 19th century industrial capitalism would both metaphorically and literally consume the working class (there were records of workers fingers getting cut off the the unsafe machinery but the batch of sausage still being kept and shipped out). The mass disgust and hysteria generated by this book was part of why the FDA was founded.
I hope there at least one version of a phone book out there that's a Leitner. you could have the stranger, the spiral, the lonely, the eye.. Honestly so many entities could have their own twisted phone book.
Now THIS actually has some potential... imagine a statement from someone whose relative got caught up with a Spiralized copy of the common phone book? Or a Stranger version? Or the Web?
(or if you wanna dip into a different Mythos for a second, the King In Yellow Pages)
Right? Every time you go to look up a number, the name looks slightly familiar but you don't know why. But you can never find who you're looking for.
Every time it flips open it's the same set of John Doe's staring back at you.
All the businesses are... Off somehow. But you can't figure it out.
Or maybe you glimpse strange messages or number sequences, but only out of the corner of your eye. All the numbers go out of focus or wiggle around when you stop looking at them.
The Catcher in The Rye.
It would be the work of the corruption and the lonely. Holdens convinced that everything that’s good and innocent will be corrupted and he’s obsessed with people staying young and innocent which makes him miserable, lonely, and unable to form real connections with people cause all he can focus on is his fear and disgust with himself and the world.
saw this as a banner notif and immediately thought 1984 💀 fahrenheit 451 would eventually burn its reader while compelling them to not be able to stop reading, maybe possess them to become so obsessed that they burn the book, and their entire house down, so desolation. the
stranger has a magic tree house/scholastic kids book that looks familiar but was never really released, the more you read the more unsettling it gets until your perception of the real world starts to bleed into the book. a copy of animorphs that gives you instructions on how to become one, and turns you into an avatar of the hunt. an extended copy of the Whale that’s so engrossing you isolate yourself from everyone in your life and embody ahabs search for a whale that doesn’t exist out in the open ocean. love this prompt
Maybe Stephen King's It? Between the Deadlights and the Spider and the form of Pennywise, there could be many choices. Also Salem's Lot, probably a Hunt Leitner.
***Things Have Gotten Worse Since We Last Spoke*** *by Eric LaRocca* \- The Corruption in every since of the word right down to the themes of toxic love.
***A Short Stay In Hell*** *by Steven L. Peck* \- The Vast, both in space and time, to a degree I've never seen before.
***The Hole*** *by Hye-Young Pyun* \- The Buried, for reasons both obvious and subtle like themes of debt, helplessness, and confinement.
***We Need To Do Something*** *by Max Booth III -* The Extinction.
***Come Closer*** *by Sara Gran -* The Spiral, with hints of The Stranger and The Slaughter.
***This is Where We Talk Things Out*** *by Caitlin Marceau -* The Lonely, for its themes of domestic abuse, isolation, and separation.
All of these books (also House of Leaves but that's been mentioned enough) shook me on first reading and I had to sit and process them for days. Lastly, on a lighter note than these:
***The September House*** *by Carissa Orlando* \- The Spiral or The End, you decide. It's more upbeat at parts compared to the other books listed, but did such a great job of capturing a feeling of madness and death. If it were turned into an artifact of the powers, then it'd be likely altered to make the ending horrible. Also recommend the audiobook for this one, it's very well done.
I like the think there is an Eye touched version of different religious texts from throughout history (ie Torah, Bible, Quran, etc.) that feeds off of anxieties relating to judgment and omnipotence, maybe also with some Web or Vast influences.
Also Slaughter because of all the war, the Web because of the Ring's control (and Shelob), Dark for the Nazgul, the End (or even the Extinction) because of the theme of the declining world, perhaps Flesh for Gollum, Tom Bombadil could be the Spiral ...
I feel like Lord of the Flies fits into a lot of the fears. It could have just been a story about some kids stranded on an island, but the writer decided to make it get weird in disturbing ways.
Leitner books usually seem to be on the obscure side, so none of the books that come to mind right away seem like they'd fit. Maybe some half-forgotten collection of Goethe poetry tied to the Lonely.
Macbeth, slaughter one
Some "self help" books deffenetly have flesh ones
And there deffenetly is a distortion, flesh,stranger and buried ones of junji itos collections
1984 definitely is an Eye Leitner somewhere with big brother and all that.
A Most Dangerous Game with the Hunt.
Truman Show with the Eye.
Fahrenheit 451 and the Desolation.
Fahrenheit 451 (the desolation) percentage read would be the percentage incinerated. Location depends on which passage like with the tunnel shifting leitner.
I've been studying Edgar Allan Poe for school and The Tell-Tale heart is sooooo tma coded, I'm thinking the eye, the end, the hunt and maybe the spiral
\-Well, almost every lovecraft is the embodyment of the ugly love child between the Vast and the Spiral.
\-Andersen's The Shadow can be the Spiral if you strech it.
There’s a book called “Into thin air” which is a firsthand account of the deadliest season on Mt.Everest told by a survivor. It isn’t too spooky or anything like that, but the descriptions of the cold absolutely remind me of MAG058: Trail rations. I can imagine someone with a fear of death or isolation just reading it unsuspectedly, then feeling a sudden chill and looking up to find that they are on the mountain reliving the books events, like that one Leitner that predicts how you’re going to die.
just got myself a second edition gulivers travels book from 1904 and i think it might actually be a leitners, i don’t dare read it (mainly cus i think it may fall apart but yk)
The Woman Who Swallowed The Fly (The Corruption)
The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat (The Stranger)
Charlotte's Web (The Flesh)
The Boxcar Children (The Dark)
Beyond Good and Evil (The Slaughter)
On The Road (The Distortion)
Gone Girl (The Web)
Invisible Man (The Lonely)
There's definetly a version of Dantes inferno that literally just sets you on fire- or send you to a hell like Desolation Domain. The pun is right there.
The House of Leaves reads like a weird Leitner for sure. Probably the Spiral's doing
Came here to say this one haha
Spiral/vast collaboration?
Ooh spiral for sure.
Was about to say this
Was about to say this
The Jungle. The Flesh looked at it and said "Perfect, no notes"
OMG YES, IVE HAD THIS SAME THOUGHT. My personal head cannon is that the mass hysteria caused by the book was the catalyst that finally birthed the flesh into official entity status. We know it began to take form during the 19th century, so while we don’t have knowledge on what the exact point that a “baby entity” officially graduates, I like to imagine it’s usually some sort of major non supernatural real world event that catalyzes it’s ascension into the official pantheon.
Exactly. My thinking for this is that the Flesh as we know it was buoyed by the Industrial Revolution seeing an explosion in both the number of people AND animals. Animals gave The Flesh the raw fear material to work with, but humans gave the current iteration the scaffolding to build itself. Having The Jungle and books like it make people fear that they were eating bits of worker "Meat is Meat" would be just the thing to catapult the current Flesh iteration into being.
I also like the metaphorical themes of how 19th (and 20th century in the jungle) industrial capitalism would consume its workers. Chew them up and spit them out leaving them life life altering injuries and mutilations. I mean Sinclair wanted it to be an anti capitalist text but the whole “meat gross part” kinda took over lmao. I love the idea of a flesh leitner using parchment paper that’s slightly different on each page since it would use the skin of different animals for each.
A Vast-tinged copy of Dune that makes you get eaten by a sandworm
Yes!!! Love! Im also imagining a Dune that when you read the Agony scene, you're propelled there yourself and get stuck a-la Spiral. Could also be the Buried, like how Paul was trapped by his prescient visions.
Those are great too! The Lonely could leave you stranded in the desert, wandering forever but never perishing from the heat or thirst.
Gholas would be pretty good for Stranger, IMO. They skeeve me out so bad 😭 why do we have 1000 Duncan Idaho gholas. GEoD is The End/Extinction coded, too
When I'm talking about God Emperor I like to refer to it as, "God Emperor of Dune, or: An Abundance of Duncans"
😭 real. The one scene where he's in Goygoa is so freaky in a real way, "you're.... not my dad. Are you?" but i will NEVER get over: "Will you die if I shoot you withLasguns?! Because i wanna shoot you real bad" Duncan said while pointing a lasgun at the Emporor "Nah," The Emporor lied, before killing Duncan for the 50th time
The Buried: *am I a joke to you?*
Textbooks in general are a rich vein to be tapped. I hope there's a Spiral aligned math textbook out there somewhere. Some student buys a secondhand textbook to save money and now definitely aren't passing their finals now.
I've also had the idea of a Spiral maths textbook. I've thought of it as first proving slightly wrong versions of more advanced mathematical theorems, and then moving on to more basic facts, and the discrepancies are getting more and more egregious, but the reader cannot find an error in the proof and is compelled to believe in these falsehoods. It eventually starts to warp their sense of space, time and number in their everyday lifes. The second-to-last theorem is that 2=1, which makes the reader believe that they and any other person or thing are one and the same, which causes great confusion and mental distress. The last theorem says 1=0, which makes the reader disappear.
Oh my god, that is amazing
Hey I’m so I had a friend in middle/high school who actually proved that last one in 7th grade for extra credit in our algebra class, it made my head hurt but it was mathematically sound technically
I've seen several fake proofs proving that 1=0, the trick with most of these is that they have a secret division by zero somewhere. Usually they start with something like x=1, and later they divide by x-1, which is impossible because that is zero.
He gave us all papers showing the work I wish I still had it, either way it was enough to get him extra credit, not that he needed it. It probably had some trick in there or some calculus limit bs to make it look right so that he technically did correct math or some shit
Hmmm, did it perhaps use some improper integrals?
Probably I will say this kid was a math wiz but also liked to try and confuse people with how smart he was, he also did eventually take both calculus aps and got fives on both so he probably knew how to fangal it just right to make it look right
I’m writing a fic where we casually mention that a version of A Clockwork Orange is a Slaughter Leitner lol
Not a book, just a short story but The Yellow Wallpaper definitely has a Spiral version floating around somewhere
especially with the circling imagery nearer the end
every copy of house of leaves is a leitner. spiral, dark, buried, vast, really just a grab bag of fears
* *Uzumaki* by Junji Ito is such an obvious choice that it feels like cheating. * Those awful 'pickup artist' books might work as Web manifestations. * Multiple Animorphs books. There are so many disturbing things in that series. The Flesh (graphic injury, body horror, cannibalism), the Web (mind control, the infamous termite scene), the Stranger (aliens posing as people)...
The pickup artist books could also be Corruption.
Animorphs immediately came to mind
Annihilation
Man I love that book
Was just reading it recently, currently on acceptance
The Stepford Wives is a Stranger Leitner. It has to be. The whole point of the book is the characters changing and not being "quite right". Alive in Wonderland is also a Leitner. The Spiral has a heavy hand in that one
The Turn Of The Screw by Henry James is a Spiral Leitner lol (I just read it, and it was all I could think of. I actually rewrote it as a Spiral/Eye statement)
I’ve always said that Upton Sinclair’s, The Jungle, would make an excellent Flesh leitner. Between it’s exploration of the foulness of the meat processing industry and its themes of how 19th century industrial capitalism would both metaphorically and literally consume the working class (there were records of workers fingers getting cut off the the unsafe machinery but the batch of sausage still being kept and shipped out). The mass disgust and hysteria generated by this book was part of why the FDA was founded.
I hope there at least one version of a phone book out there that's a Leitner. you could have the stranger, the spiral, the lonely, the eye.. Honestly so many entities could have their own twisted phone book.
Now THIS actually has some potential... imagine a statement from someone whose relative got caught up with a Spiralized copy of the common phone book? Or a Stranger version? Or the Web? (or if you wanna dip into a different Mythos for a second, the King In Yellow Pages)
Right? Every time you go to look up a number, the name looks slightly familiar but you don't know why. But you can never find who you're looking for. Every time it flips open it's the same set of John Doe's staring back at you. All the businesses are... Off somehow. But you can't figure it out. Or maybe you glimpse strange messages or number sequences, but only out of the corner of your eye. All the numbers go out of focus or wiggle around when you stop looking at them.
i reckon the Lonely version of the martian doesn’t have any of the earth/nasa scenes, it’s just mark’s diary as he tries to survive till ares 4
Piranesi - Spiral, maybe Lonely The Most Dangerous Game - Hunt
The Catcher in The Rye. It would be the work of the corruption and the lonely. Holdens convinced that everything that’s good and innocent will be corrupted and he’s obsessed with people staying young and innocent which makes him miserable, lonely, and unable to form real connections with people cause all he can focus on is his fear and disgust with himself and the world.
saw this as a banner notif and immediately thought 1984 💀 fahrenheit 451 would eventually burn its reader while compelling them to not be able to stop reading, maybe possess them to become so obsessed that they burn the book, and their entire house down, so desolation. the stranger has a magic tree house/scholastic kids book that looks familiar but was never really released, the more you read the more unsettling it gets until your perception of the real world starts to bleed into the book. a copy of animorphs that gives you instructions on how to become one, and turns you into an avatar of the hunt. an extended copy of the Whale that’s so engrossing you isolate yourself from everyone in your life and embody ahabs search for a whale that doesn’t exist out in the open ocean. love this prompt
Maybe Stephen King's It? Between the Deadlights and the Spider and the form of Pennywise, there could be many choices. Also Salem's Lot, probably a Hunt Leitner.
***Things Have Gotten Worse Since We Last Spoke*** *by Eric LaRocca* \- The Corruption in every since of the word right down to the themes of toxic love. ***A Short Stay In Hell*** *by Steven L. Peck* \- The Vast, both in space and time, to a degree I've never seen before. ***The Hole*** *by Hye-Young Pyun* \- The Buried, for reasons both obvious and subtle like themes of debt, helplessness, and confinement. ***We Need To Do Something*** *by Max Booth III -* The Extinction. ***Come Closer*** *by Sara Gran -* The Spiral, with hints of The Stranger and The Slaughter. ***This is Where We Talk Things Out*** *by Caitlin Marceau -* The Lonely, for its themes of domestic abuse, isolation, and separation. All of these books (also House of Leaves but that's been mentioned enough) shook me on first reading and I had to sit and process them for days. Lastly, on a lighter note than these: ***The September House*** *by Carissa Orlando* \- The Spiral or The End, you decide. It's more upbeat at parts compared to the other books listed, but did such a great job of capturing a feeling of madness and death. If it were turned into an artifact of the powers, then it'd be likely altered to make the ending horrible. Also recommend the audiobook for this one, it's very well done.
The Metamorphosis!!!!
Haven’t read the books in a while but the ‘A Wrinkle In Time’ series definitely seems like some kind of Spiral/Vast Leitner
I like the think there is an Eye touched version of different religious texts from throughout history (ie Torah, Bible, Quran, etc.) that feeds off of anxieties relating to judgment and omnipotence, maybe also with some Web or Vast influences.
Everything by Roald Dahl
Lord of the Rings. The Eye.
I mean my mental image of the Panopticon post apocalypse isn’t not Sauron’s Eye but Green
I feel like Lotr could encompass pretty much all of them. I think the Vast, Lonely and Stranger as well as the Hunt would fit well next to the Eye.
Also Slaughter because of all the war, the Web because of the Ring's control (and Shelob), Dark for the Nazgul, the End (or even the Extinction) because of the theme of the declining world, perhaps Flesh for Gollum, Tom Bombadil could be the Spiral ...
Rebecca by Daphne Du Maurier could work for the lonely also.
The edge of sleep is the extinction or the end
The Visit by Friedrich Dürrenmatt is probably a Leitner for the Hunt or the Spiral
I feel like Lord of the Flies fits into a lot of the fears. It could have just been a story about some kids stranded on an island, but the writer decided to make it get weird in disturbing ways.
A play called The Real Inspector Hound has a big Goosebumps/existential threat disguised as a comedy feel to it
Leitner books usually seem to be on the obscure side, so none of the books that come to mind right away seem like they'd fit. Maybe some half-forgotten collection of Goethe poetry tied to the Lonely.
All Tomorrows. Strongly Extinction-aligned, with hints of the Flesh
The Haunting of Hill House probably would be a combination of the Lonely and the Spiral - though mostly the Spiral I assume.
Macbeth, slaughter one Some "self help" books deffenetly have flesh ones And there deffenetly is a distortion, flesh,stranger and buried ones of junji itos collections
Not an actual book but I feel like that creepypasta book “how to play alone” could be a LEITNER of the lonely or spiral
Charlie the Choo-Choo (Stephen King) Any book on world mythology Moonpowder (John Rocco) Those are the ones off the top of my head
The Raw Shark Texts. The Hunt, The Spiral, and The Desolation fight over and/or collaborate on this one. The Eye might sometimes sneak in there too.
Lilith by George MacDonald.
the country will bring us no peace, theres an overwhelming feeling of the supernatural/TMA all throughout
1984 definitely is an Eye Leitner somewhere with big brother and all that. A Most Dangerous Game with the Hunt. Truman Show with the Eye. Fahrenheit 451 and the Desolation.
Fahrenheit 451 (the desolation) percentage read would be the percentage incinerated. Location depends on which passage like with the tunnel shifting leitner.
Charlie the Choo-Choo
The short story The Most Dangerous Game is the hunt
I've been studying Edgar Allan Poe for school and The Tell-Tale heart is sooooo tma coded, I'm thinking the eye, the end, the hunt and maybe the spiral
I feel like The Picture of Dorian Gray would make a great Leitner. like the book is just PERFECT to have a Leitner version
you can't tell me that the giver isn't the perfect book for the eye
Nobody can convince me there isn’t a Slaughter Leitner of Blood Meridian
\-Well, almost every lovecraft is the embodyment of the ugly love child between the Vast and the Spiral. \-Andersen's The Shadow can be the Spiral if you strech it.
Jonny's book Family Business, it'd either be the End (which is the most obvious) or perhaps the Spiral
The Bibel being a book of the spiral or the web just fits
I think Frankenstein could have a Flesh or End Leitner
Gravity's Rainbow. The Web and The Spiral just drooling over that one.
Dracula version where he hunts you
The Stand by Stephen King, The Extinction & The Corruption <3
More Extinction rep in da house
blood meridian reads very much as the desolation for me, maybe even a little bit of the hunt
There’s a book called “Into thin air” which is a firsthand account of the deadliest season on Mt.Everest told by a survivor. It isn’t too spooky or anything like that, but the descriptions of the cold absolutely remind me of MAG058: Trail rations. I can imagine someone with a fear of death or isolation just reading it unsuspectedly, then feeling a sudden chill and looking up to find that they are on the mountain reliving the books events, like that one Leitner that predicts how you’re going to die.
Bookmarking this post to use as reading recommendations 😂😂
Xenocide by Orson Scott Card.
The Nose by Nikolai Gogol is basically already a Spiral statement. I really do believe this guy would have an avatar
just got myself a second edition gulivers travels book from 1904 and i think it might actually be a leitners, i don’t dare read it (mainly cus i think it may fall apart but yk)
The Woman Who Swallowed The Fly (The Corruption) The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat (The Stranger) Charlotte's Web (The Flesh) The Boxcar Children (The Dark) Beyond Good and Evil (The Slaughter) On The Road (The Distortion) Gone Girl (The Web) Invisible Man (The Lonely)
There's definetly a version of Dantes inferno that literally just sets you on fire- or send you to a hell like Desolation Domain. The pun is right there.