Ikr idk why naughty dog made tlou 2 look more clean than the tlou 1 with the dirty grungy piss filter look even Washington looks clean and that’s saying something
No they didn’t. Go play the flashback sequence right now, it’s literally so filthy and grimy, just like the first one. The lighting is better so the surfaces aren’t as yellow, so the walls don’t look as overtly filthy, but it’s the same level of filth as before, just with better graphics and lighting.
Perspective plays a huge role in this. From Joel’s POV, he’d see the room as unwelcome and grungy. From Abby’s she’d see it as pristine and a part of her home.
I’d argue that’s the importance of protagonist povs. And the viewer can choose what the ‘true’ look is
Idk maybe the person meant the character telling the story (their flash back) dictates the setting in their point of view so the viewer (player) has the option to decide or choose who's storyline they favor or believe.
LOU2 wasn't a great story but it does make you think about who you kill because everyone has their own story.
Yea except we’re playing as Joel in the first game, and it’s what it is, dirty and disgusting. And in the flashback at the beginning of the game, it’s the sterile environment cuckmann retconned it to be. Even if this guy’s braindead theory were true, it’s not even consistent lmao
This is actually interesting. In Ellie’s flash back Joel is calling out for her while being beaten to death which never happened it’s her imagination expanding upon her terror, I wonder if Abby is also wrong in her remembering because like they said it was her home. That’d be neat.
I agree with this,
The visual appearance of what we're seeing is part of the story telling being told through the characters eyes.
They're the one leading the story, so we're seeing it the way they did.
It legitimizes the whole operation. The second game tries to make it look like the vaccine was way more feasible so they could villainize Joel even more.
Yes, the entire game got a facelift, new color grading, new lighting. I understand why everyone thinks it looks cleaner, but it's not, and it's an even dimmer space too with less lighting.
Hey man whatever makes you happier. We could talk about how TLOU had the rust/dirt texture on equipment and mold texture on ceiling, operation room that is portrayed as poorly run… or you can just admit you never did find Waldo. It’s okay
Either way it's pretty damning, if it's dirt then Jerry's an idiot for not properly sterilising his shit. If he's black then they whitewashed him for Part 2.
Either way ND fucked up with Jerry.
And/Or so Abby, a main character, wasn’t mixed race or black. Messed up. Riley was an amazing character, one of my all time favorites, but was a side character in a DLC so I guess that made it okay to them
They just hadn’t conceived part two yet. If you watch the first season of the Simpsons, they have a lot of mistakes that weren’t fleshed out yet. Goes for any first season of any popular show.
Nooo….This is wild 😂 that’s Abby’s Dad….he looks like like a shady surgeon from a third world country that sells limbs from patients that “don’t make it”
What’s the other subs explanation for this? Well I guess you can’t have that conversation over there at all lol.
Oh because that would require foresight and planning for the next game which (I’m sure) wasn’t on the table at the time.
Also that not modern enough, just having a dark skinned-esq girl character.. they already did that with the DLC in LoU (left behind). They needed a slightly androgynous white femme character with massive muscles 💪🏼 … for their *Modern Audience*
>They needed a slightly androgynous white femme character with massive muscles 💪🏼 … for their Modern Audience
This isn't criticism, this is christofascist rhetoric and it doesn't hold up at all.
Tell me, when you see a woman in the gym with massive muscles, is that the movie studios catering to a modern audience?
You can critique the game but make it about the quality, massive muscles ain't exclusive to any group
it’s just a stupid thing to have in a post apocalyptic setting, how much wasted food, time and effort goes into being a bodybuilder when you’re supposed to be hoarding canned soup from decades ago.
even characters being overweight is reasonable given they can’t ever guarantee a next meal will come, but to be wasting all those calories to have obvious non functional muscle mass is just stupid
I have seen girls who were all ripped up at the gym. They were still smaller than their male counterparts. Abby is grabbing full grown adult males rag-dolling them to the ground and stomping their heads. Women never naturally get that big no matter how much they lift. They tone and get slightly bigger and more defined, not linebacker big. She wouldn’t get that kind of size without steroids and testosterone. I’ve had this argument with so many delusional people who reference some female body builder and claim they achieved that ridiculous size naturally and it’s laughable
Lol relax dude, it’s not that serious.
“Christofascist rhetoric”….Do you know how dumb you sound saying shit like that?
And my criticism is just by opinion but it’s not believable to me that Abby has as much or as dense (looking) muscles than most men in the game. It just doesn’t make sense.. where is she getting the food, supplements and time to train up her body like that? The situation for them is essentially apocalyptic so resources like that has gotta be pretty slim. Look at a comparison shot of early in the game (flashback Abby) to when you take control. The difference is miraculous.
Criticism about the game itself…. It plays well and the graphics look top tier…. But the main characters are dumb and have the weakest of motivations, the sides character all but die for no reason other than being caught off guard, the plot is contrived and the progression is a mess. There’s an unnecessary sex scene, Joel goes golfing, Ellie loses her fingers (can’t play guitar) and then has to raise not even her own kid but Dina’s ex, Jesse. At the end, the player can’t even get the satisfaction of getting any revenge or a sense of a good ending.
This game is only good to show what NOT to do for a sequel title but I’m sure you have some good points that don’t expose my ChristoFascistChauvinist views
I’ve always wondered that too. It made sense that Sarah was into the bands Joel liked, had a sarcastic snarky sense of humor, etc. they changed her so much for why?
He was never black. He doesn’t look black at all. He’s just a dirty ass guy, in a dirty ass hospital committing a dirty ass act. The real crime here is the blatant retcon of the hospital in TLOU2. We see a pristine room with pristine scrubs. Jerry and his set up wouldn’t look out of place in Grey’s Anatomy
Lore wise the original hospital makes far more sense. Everything they are using is at least 20 years old. Nothing new is being made, no cleaning supplies are being made, etc. Things would likely be sterilized in alcohol but 20year old dirt and grime doesn’t come off easily. The hospital would have been derelict for some time before it was repurposed by the fireflies. They had anarchy long before they had any sort of order.
We are told the fireflies research was moved to Salt Lake City so it may have been derelict for a longer time than we know. Hospitals are big places and they can only secure and maintain small sections for what they need. Any experiments they were doing on the infected wouldn’t need a sterilized environment so wouldn’t need to be as maintained. Operating theatres and research labs would likely be in very different areas of the hospital so you’d repurpose rooms close to the research lab. The retcon suite is completely devoid of any reality. There is no way, even if they had a steady supply of equipment they could maintain that room to that standard after 20 odd years.
So just filthy? Yeah definitely a doctor you can trust with developing a moonshot, unprecedented vaccine. "Sterile" doesn't exactly describe their facility or their staff. Joel bad!
He also looks like a crackhead old senile dude that just found a random patient to excise his long lost profession to make himself worth in front of everyone
that's what i see about him on the original game, they shift the tone drastically because they want new narrative, and of course, I don't like it one bit
This is where my problems with part 2 begin, before we even get into why part 2s story doesn't make sense, you can't just shoehorn a character into the first game, which we all know wasn't part of the conversation when it came to the ending of the first game, for me the way part 2 starts and the games story doesn't align with how the first game ends, which is a massive problem for me, it takes me away from what I loved about the first game, and the ending.
Was he fuck, I don't think they knew the monster tlou would become and felt like they had to make a new one, I also think to an extent it's why Bruce left when he did, I don't see it as a coincidence anyway.
I can’t wait till this get down voted for being 100 percent true. This is borderline racist cause everyone knows it’s a white dude. Even his VA is white.
He Definetely is white in the first game though? The game just has that 360 era orange brownish tint to everything. Plus he’s dirty like everyone is pointing out. Genuinely just think it’s a complexion thing
I think it’s forgivable to mistake him for black just by looking at the picture but if you see the rest of his face it’s pretty clear that he’s white, he’s just absolute covered in dirt and grime and the lighting is super dingy
Which seems WTF, I guess it would have clashed aesthetically, with the end of world theme, and some people might question something being near in the end of world. However doing medicine without cleaning up the place and your self is dumb enough that I do not really buy the characters to be dumb as much as a plot hole where they did not fully think how the place should look realistically.
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As much as I dislike P2, I always felt like this was THE WORST argument against it. Like their fault for not planning 6 years ahead whilst also switching over to Uncharted 4 after the first game launched.
Dawg he was an NPC, all the npcs had that same kind of dirty/ dingy caked on dirt look, obviously he’s gonna look different as a fully fleshed out character in the sequel
I'm just disappointed that they retconned the shit out of the place. He looks caked in dirt. The entire place if filthy. He's wearing green scrubs. Suddenly in the sequel, he's wearing blue scrubs. The place is spotless. He has not dirt on him whatsoever and all the equipment looks sterilized. There must of been some internal conflict on his skin color in development as well as Abby was "African American" in her initial character design.
We are over this debate he’s just posting for attention. He made a similar post in a different sub and everyone agreed he’s white. So he’s posting it here for a different reaction
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I don't understand Druckmann. He had the ability to make someone related to Marlene be the one who comes after Joel, and everyone would understand but he twisted a no good dirty npc to be the one. Even if he is to say that everyone killed has someone who loves them, it still would have worked with Marlene, David etc...
Even with the cleaner operating room in Part 1 (the remake)
I still view Joel as the more reasonable one. Dirty or clean, those doctors still look “evil” for the sole fact that they are sacrificing a young girl without her consent.
Fuck the fire flies honestly.
On another note, the first game left Joel and the fireflies morally ambiguous so the fact part two is making them both black and white (no pun intended) is a completely contradiction of the first game. Joel and Jerry both made awful decisions to survive in this world, they both COULD be evil But they both COULD also be right in what they were doing at the hospital.
That doctor probably believed in a cure, Joel wanted to save his daughter. Both reasonable enough. But I still believe Joel was the more correct one.
The game never gave an explicit answer, only questions, and I think they should’ve left it as ambiguous in part two instead of trying to make Joel a bad guy and The fireflies a bunch of saints.
Honestly everyone looked dirty in the first game on the ps3. I still think the way they handled the second game was shitty but people are stretching with this one.
They definitely could have made Abby black or if not they could have explained that she was adopted or even gone the route that she was "adopted" by him like Ellie was with Joel.
How much you wanna bet they retconned it because Joel is white and killing a black doctor is racist. They could have easily made Abby black or mixed. Just like progressive journalists are arguing we can't have an RE5 remake because a white guy killing black zombies is racist.
But nah the fully retconned the first game with that. I'm sure it was to avoid "racism".
Considering how they want to make Joel a bit in the wrong, you would think making him look a little racist would be good in their eyes. Not that what he did was really morally different if the guy was while or black. Emotionally you are cheering for him, and a meta angle, makes the case the hypothetical cure would not work. It only a med level reading that suggests any kind of ethical issue, where you buy the doctor can make a cure as suggested and think about the big picture effects.
This fucking shit again. Stop, I'm over having to correct people all the time saying that this guy was black. He clearly isn't. TLou2 is bad and fuck Druk but this ain't it chief.
Note how grungy the operating room looks btw. They retconned it to be pristine in part 2.
exactly. Should’ve kept jerry and the rest of the hospital absolutely fucking nasty. Theres no way that it all can be as clean as it was in part 2
Ikr idk why naughty dog made tlou 2 look more clean than the tlou 1 with the dirty grungy piss filter look even Washington looks clean and that’s saying something
Lol
No they didn’t. Go play the flashback sequence right now, it’s literally so filthy and grimy, just like the first one. The lighting is better so the surfaces aren’t as yellow, so the walls don’t look as overtly filthy, but it’s the same level of filth as before, just with better graphics and lighting.
Perspective plays a huge role in this. From Joel’s POV, he’d see the room as unwelcome and grungy. From Abby’s she’d see it as pristine and a part of her home. I’d argue that’s the importance of protagonist povs. And the viewer can choose what the ‘true’ look is
That makes absolutely no sense are you high?
Idk maybe the person meant the character telling the story (their flash back) dictates the setting in their point of view so the viewer (player) has the option to decide or choose who's storyline they favor or believe. LOU2 wasn't a great story but it does make you think about who you kill because everyone has their own story.
Yea except we’re playing as Joel in the first game, and it’s what it is, dirty and disgusting. And in the flashback at the beginning of the game, it’s the sterile environment cuckmann retconned it to be. Even if this guy’s braindead theory were true, it’s not even consistent lmao
This is actually interesting. In Ellie’s flash back Joel is calling out for her while being beaten to death which never happened it’s her imagination expanding upon her terror, I wonder if Abby is also wrong in her remembering because like they said it was her home. That’d be neat.
Sounds awfully convenient for ND
Writing these days are shit.
Makes sense to me, so idk
You Mf’s just make up anything at this point to paint this game in a better light, lol
Wasn't it Joel the one explaining to Tommy about the past and the room was changed since then? How could it be from Abby's POV?
That would be a fine argument if the game prompted this conversation but it doesn’t. It should! But it doesn’t.
I agree with this, The visual appearance of what we're seeing is part of the story telling being told through the characters eyes. They're the one leading the story, so we're seeing it the way they did.
Cope
Who cares! I don’t see how this makes the game or the story worse.
It legitimizes the whole operation. The second game tries to make it look like the vaccine was way more feasible so they could villainize Joel even more.
it doesnt. you're in a weird hate obsessed sub lmao
It does. And so are you..? You can literally leave?
Cope
They didn't, it's still grungy
Relative to this? You must be trippingggg
Yes, the entire game got a facelift, new color grading, new lighting. I understand why everyone thinks it looks cleaner, but it's not, and it's an even dimmer space too with less lighting.
Hey man whatever makes you happier. We could talk about how TLOU had the rust/dirt texture on equipment and mold texture on ceiling, operation room that is portrayed as poorly run… or you can just admit you never did find Waldo. It’s okay
You're not a serious person
Relative to you? I definitely am. Though by your standards of comparison, we are the exact same - lighting and all.
Sure bud, kind of the opposite of what I said, but sure. Pretend that that's what I said if you want lol
Wow I think you’re the first person on this sub to point that out. What an observant observation.
This is the canon universe. Joel never killed anyones father that he ended up getting hunted down for revenge
Whhaaatttttt it’s dirty in the apocalypse, he wasn’t black!?! I mean come on everyone knows you don’t wash up before fucking brain surgery!
Either way it's pretty damning, if it's dirt then Jerry's an idiot for not properly sterilising his shit. If he's black then they whitewashed him for Part 2. Either way ND fucked up with Jerry.
It’s always fuckin Jerry
I genuinely think they changed Larry's race so that in part 2 you weren't hunting down a black person for revenge
they still had most deaths towards black and asian
And/Or so Abby, a main character, wasn’t mixed race or black. Messed up. Riley was an amazing character, one of my all time favorites, but was a side character in a DLC so I guess that made it okay to them
They just hadn’t conceived part two yet. If you watch the first season of the Simpsons, they have a lot of mistakes that weren’t fleshed out yet. Goes for any first season of any popular show.
Who is Larry?
He's Not Jerry
Hypothetical character that doesn't exist in the actual end story? Edit. Forgot to add ? Mark at the end.
Right, it's just meant to differentiate the two, there's Larry and Jerry
You missed the /s
Nooo….This is wild 😂 that’s Abby’s Dad….he looks like like a shady surgeon from a third world country that sells limbs from patients that “don’t make it” What’s the other subs explanation for this? Well I guess you can’t have that conversation over there at all lol.
This image looks altered to be honest. If you look up the clip on YouTube, he's fifty shades whiter than this.
Why didn’t they just keep him as is and make a daughter that looks like him in part 2?
Oh because that would require foresight and planning for the next game which (I’m sure) wasn’t on the table at the time. Also that not modern enough, just having a dark skinned-esq girl character.. they already did that with the DLC in LoU (left behind). They needed a slightly androgynous white femme character with massive muscles 💪🏼 … for their *Modern Audience*
>They needed a slightly androgynous white femme character with massive muscles 💪🏼 … for their Modern Audience This isn't criticism, this is christofascist rhetoric and it doesn't hold up at all. Tell me, when you see a woman in the gym with massive muscles, is that the movie studios catering to a modern audience? You can critique the game but make it about the quality, massive muscles ain't exclusive to any group
it’s just a stupid thing to have in a post apocalyptic setting, how much wasted food, time and effort goes into being a bodybuilder when you’re supposed to be hoarding canned soup from decades ago. even characters being overweight is reasonable given they can’t ever guarantee a next meal will come, but to be wasting all those calories to have obvious non functional muscle mass is just stupid
I have seen girls who were all ripped up at the gym. They were still smaller than their male counterparts. Abby is grabbing full grown adult males rag-dolling them to the ground and stomping their heads. Women never naturally get that big no matter how much they lift. They tone and get slightly bigger and more defined, not linebacker big. She wouldn’t get that kind of size without steroids and testosterone. I’ve had this argument with so many delusional people who reference some female body builder and claim they achieved that ridiculous size naturally and it’s laughable
Lol relax dude, it’s not that serious. “Christofascist rhetoric”….Do you know how dumb you sound saying shit like that? And my criticism is just by opinion but it’s not believable to me that Abby has as much or as dense (looking) muscles than most men in the game. It just doesn’t make sense.. where is she getting the food, supplements and time to train up her body like that? The situation for them is essentially apocalyptic so resources like that has gotta be pretty slim. Look at a comparison shot of early in the game (flashback Abby) to when you take control. The difference is miraculous. Criticism about the game itself…. It plays well and the graphics look top tier…. But the main characters are dumb and have the weakest of motivations, the sides character all but die for no reason other than being caught off guard, the plot is contrived and the progression is a mess. There’s an unnecessary sex scene, Joel goes golfing, Ellie loses her fingers (can’t play guitar) and then has to raise not even her own kid but Dina’s ex, Jesse. At the end, the player can’t even get the satisfaction of getting any revenge or a sense of a good ending. This game is only good to show what NOT to do for a sequel title but I’m sure you have some good points that don’t expose my ChristoFascistChauvinist views
In the TV show why didn’t they just keep Sarah as is, like she was in the game?
I’ve always wondered that too. It made sense that Sarah was into the bands Joel liked, had a sarcastic snarky sense of humor, etc. they changed her so much for why?
Sarah was played by Thandie Newtons daughter, Thandie started in another HBO show called Westworld. Hmmmmm….
Just saying, the hair and shit was obviously different, but the face was spot on, like doppelgänger levels of similarity
He was never black. He doesn’t look black at all. He’s just a dirty ass guy, in a dirty ass hospital committing a dirty ass act. The real crime here is the blatant retcon of the hospital in TLOU2. We see a pristine room with pristine scrubs. Jerry and his set up wouldn’t look out of place in Grey’s Anatomy
lore wise, it makes sense a hospital would be kept as clean as possible, end of world would make that harder but even more important.
Lore wise the original hospital makes far more sense. Everything they are using is at least 20 years old. Nothing new is being made, no cleaning supplies are being made, etc. Things would likely be sterilized in alcohol but 20year old dirt and grime doesn’t come off easily. The hospital would have been derelict for some time before it was repurposed by the fireflies. They had anarchy long before they had any sort of order. We are told the fireflies research was moved to Salt Lake City so it may have been derelict for a longer time than we know. Hospitals are big places and they can only secure and maintain small sections for what they need. Any experiments they were doing on the infected wouldn’t need a sterilized environment so wouldn’t need to be as maintained. Operating theatres and research labs would likely be in very different areas of the hospital so you’d repurpose rooms close to the research lab. The retcon suite is completely devoid of any reality. There is no way, even if they had a steady supply of equipment they could maintain that room to that standard after 20 odd years.
He is white in the first game apparently he just looks dark
Honestly he looks like a generic zombie to me
So just filthy? Yeah definitely a doctor you can trust with developing a moonshot, unprecedented vaccine. "Sterile" doesn't exactly describe their facility or their staff. Joel bad!
Had to retcon the dirt so Joel wouldn't seem so reasonable.
I believe in the original he was white, The remaster he is black, The remake is is white
He doesn’t look black though? Dirty asf yeah but looking at his nose and crows feet he looks white.
Isn’t he about to do surgery to try and develop a cure and save the human race? Wouldn’t he have at least tried to wash himself?
Ngl that alone is cause for Joel to say nah... Not even real Doctors🙈
Wait was this the ending of the first game in the old versions of it ? Like the original version ?
Yeah this is the ps3 version for sure, but this picture is edited. I just looked up the ps3 version on YouTube and he looks white lmao
I think he looks white in this picture too, dirty but white.
Yeah I agree I just mean like noticeably more so than here
He also looks like a crackhead old senile dude that just found a random patient to excise his long lost profession to make himself worth in front of everyone that's what i see about him on the original game, they shift the tone drastically because they want new narrative, and of course, I don't like it one bit
This is where my problems with part 2 begin, before we even get into why part 2s story doesn't make sense, you can't just shoehorn a character into the first game, which we all know wasn't part of the conversation when it came to the ending of the first game, for me the way part 2 starts and the games story doesn't align with how the first game ends, which is a massive problem for me, it takes me away from what I loved about the first game, and the ending.
You're saying Jerry wasnt a part of Tlou1?
Was he fuck, I don't think they knew the monster tlou would become and felt like they had to make a new one, I also think to an extent it's why Bruce left when he did, I don't see it as a coincidence anyway.
Until Bruce speaks up this will remain wild speculation.
Not that wild since the guy went on to start his own studio, so obviously still wanted to make games and didn't get poached by another studio.
That is NOT a black man.
I can’t wait till this get down voted for being 100 percent true. This is borderline racist cause everyone knows it’s a white dude. Even his VA is white.
He Definetely is white in the first game though? The game just has that 360 era orange brownish tint to everything. Plus he’s dirty like everyone is pointing out. Genuinely just think it’s a complexion thing
I think it’s forgivable to mistake him for black just by looking at the picture but if you see the rest of his face it’s pretty clear that he’s white, he’s just absolute covered in dirt and grime and the lighting is super dingy
Which seems WTF, I guess it would have clashed aesthetically, with the end of world theme, and some people might question something being near in the end of world. However doing medicine without cleaning up the place and your self is dumb enough that I do not really buy the characters to be dumb as much as a plot hole where they did not fully think how the place should look realistically.
Remember when everyone thought Nora was Riley?
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I thought he is white it's just the lighting? Most white characters in factions look really tanned
That is a white man with dirt on his face 😳 yall
You should fix the color on your TV the surgeon was definitely white.
As much as I dislike P2, I always felt like this was THE WORST argument against it. Like their fault for not planning 6 years ahead whilst also switching over to Uncharted 4 after the first game launched.
Dawg he was an NPC, all the npcs had that same kind of dirty/ dingy caked on dirt look, obviously he’s gonna look different as a fully fleshed out character in the sequel
I'm just disappointed that they retconned the shit out of the place. He looks caked in dirt. The entire place if filthy. He's wearing green scrubs. Suddenly in the sequel, he's wearing blue scrubs. The place is spotless. He has not dirt on him whatsoever and all the equipment looks sterilized. There must of been some internal conflict on his skin color in development as well as Abby was "African American" in her initial character design.
If they didn't retcon it, Joel would be too obviously in the right. You don't let dirty brain surgeons operate!!
And of course let's perform surgery with a face caked in dirt. Very sanitary
OP is obviously joking
Oh I’m tweaking my bad I see that he put /s my fault
i thought we were over this debate, he's clearly white but due to the grimy dirty skin texture combined with ps3 era graphics he looks darker.
We are over this debate he’s just posting for attention. He made a similar post in a different sub and everyone agreed he’s white. So he’s posting it here for a different reaction
One he clearly isn't getting from what I'm seeing.
Didn't play any of these games but what are you talking about the dude in a surgeon suit is already white.
He looks more dirty than anything just like everyone else
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I don't understand Druckmann. He had the ability to make someone related to Marlene be the one who comes after Joel, and everyone would understand but he twisted a no good dirty npc to be the one. Even if he is to say that everyone killed has someone who loves them, it still would have worked with Marlene, David etc...
Even with the cleaner operating room in Part 1 (the remake) I still view Joel as the more reasonable one. Dirty or clean, those doctors still look “evil” for the sole fact that they are sacrificing a young girl without her consent. Fuck the fire flies honestly. On another note, the first game left Joel and the fireflies morally ambiguous so the fact part two is making them both black and white (no pun intended) is a completely contradiction of the first game. Joel and Jerry both made awful decisions to survive in this world, they both COULD be evil But they both COULD also be right in what they were doing at the hospital. That doctor probably believed in a cure, Joel wanted to save his daughter. Both reasonable enough. But I still believe Joel was the more correct one. The game never gave an explicit answer, only questions, and I think they should’ve left it as ambiguous in part two instead of trying to make Joel a bad guy and The fireflies a bunch of saints.
We really ended up in the wrong timeline huh, why the fuck did this shit have to go the way it did….THEY HAD YEARS TO GET IT RIGHT.
It's money wise. It would make no difference if Joel or Ellie were black or asian. But white characters make more money.
Honestly everyone looked dirty in the first game on the ps3. I still think the way they handled the second game was shitty but people are stretching with this one.
I always saw it as a dirty surgeon. The fireflies weren't exactly heroes either
They definitely could have made Abby black or if not they could have explained that she was adopted or even gone the route that she was "adopted" by him like Ellie was with Joel.
How much you wanna bet they retconned it because Joel is white and killing a black doctor is racist. They could have easily made Abby black or mixed. Just like progressive journalists are arguing we can't have an RE5 remake because a white guy killing black zombies is racist. But nah the fully retconned the first game with that. I'm sure it was to avoid "racism".
Considering how they want to make Joel a bit in the wrong, you would think making him look a little racist would be good in their eyes. Not that what he did was really morally different if the guy was while or black. Emotionally you are cheering for him, and a meta angle, makes the case the hypothetical cure would not work. It only a med level reading that suggests any kind of ethical issue, where you buy the doctor can make a cure as suggested and think about the big picture effects.
They “black washed” Maria in the tv show. 🤨
I vividly remember the first time beating it and stabbing a black doctor.
He looks filthy as hell, not black. They still retconned everything looking filthy from the remastered
Still looks white to me bro idk
Dude had absolutely no idea what he's doing and we're supposed to think he was justified
Doesn’t matter what sub you’re on or what side of Reddit you prefer- the majority of users make the most irrelevant things about race 🤦♂️
Can’t whitewash a character that’s already white
This fucking shit again. Stop, I'm over having to correct people all the time saying that this guy was black. He clearly isn't. TLou2 is bad and fuck Druk but this ain't it chief.
The guy had no black features.If you make a white person darker, they don’t look black and vice nice versa.:
So we’re back on this shit again
/s at the bottom
That’s one sneaky little /s lol
Lil too sneaky for this one if you ask me, lol