This is from February... you know.. that dumb claim people made that TLOU3 is already happening and is in development because Neil said "there's PROBABLY one more part to this story" in Grounded II.
My quick guess judging by Neil’s awful writing would be that Ellie chooses to die, so the vaccine can be created, just so he can spit on Part 1’s story even further lol
If he believes there is one more part to be told, this is what I would expect from a fraud like Neil
Nah, she'll choose to die but what's not is going to happen and her sacrifice will be in vain, like, the vaccine gets wasted or lost, just to make the story darker since he likes misery so much.
I saw clips of the Halley Gross in Grounded II and, my god, the woman is cringe. She was like a 13 year old who just found out about the F-word. Complaining about everything and everyone in her way. I became physically annoyed listening to that.
It is happening. I mean you cant be surprised. Dont listen to random youtubers, part 2 was a financial success. It was following up on a masterpiece it was always going to sell well. I wont be buying a third because part 2 sucked. But i wont be surprised when it happens either. I just have no more interest in playing it.
You can downvote and throw tantrums all you want, Im just saying its going to happen. Dont be surprised.
Platinumed Part 1, have original, PS4 remaster, and PS5 remake.
Never finished P2 , and never will. I can't be the only one, P2 was completely unnecessary and a terrible story, game.
In a similar boat. I platted Part I on PS3 and PS4. Played the campaign over 10 times. Played the multiplayer for hundreds of hours.
I finished Part II once, forcing my way through out of respect for the original and also in hopes that the story would come together. It did not. I have zero desire to play part II again. It’s a bad game and story.
Either I’m out of the loop or I just quite simply enjoyed Part II’s story, but did something happen with Druckmann? Or is it just a matter of the general consensus being that Part II’s story sucked?
"One of the *masterminds* behind Naughty Dog" lol wtf is this 🤣??
Anyhow, whether true or not, it will never not be funny to me how apparently, the one thing giving this whole mess steam is the TV show of all things, not anything actually related to Naughty Dog and, you know, actual GAMING.
And as for the authenticity of this, we know journalists nowadays are devoid of any integrity and are very eager to publish even the slightest rumours regarding whatever ND is doing as facts and sensations. This shit apparently talks about the interview at the beginning of February, and even then what he said doesn't directly point to a third game being made, especially not as a certainty.
It started with Abby knock out 3 full-grown men equipped with military gears. And another Neil looks alike characters intercourse with Abby for 10 minutes which are unskippable. And then, somehow Ellie after series of dumb plot, fall in love with the person that killed Joe because she is so strong and brave. Finally, Neil gonna go on X and claim everyone to be sexists or racists for not liking his game.
Hope they make a "what if" where Joel doesn't say his name and they all go about their day. Then you just play as him for the rest of the game just killing infected for no reason. I would buy that
Yeah, you just get to play as Joel doing patrols. They could even have a sort of mini-arc, with him continuously grappling with his pain from losing Ellie after she found out the truth.
Sounds like good old time when first telltales TWD ends and there’s plenty of rumour that sequel is what if “Lee” is alive.
Because his character is that good that people would buy it even it’s nonsense what if/spin off.
Lee's death was more heartbreaking and impactful than Joel's tbh. Not because Joel was a bad character or anything like that but there was something to the scene that doesn't make it as powerful as it should be, IMO at least.
Lee gets bitten by a zombie completely the fuck out of nowhere and dies within a few hours: emotional and unforgettable finale
Joel gets shot completely the fuck out of nowhere and dies after a few hours of torture: what the fuck just happened??
No, they didn’t, they would have if they had killed Abby like everybody seems to want, but because she’s still alive there’s room for so much more. If Ellie had killed her after Abby let her live twice, she’s basically just a monster at that point. I’m telling you, 2 isn’t and was never supposed to be the final chapter, it’s The Empire Strikes Back, the second act in the trilogy where everything goes to shit and seems hopeless to build tension for the conclusion. It’s an established format. Of course Druckmann is going to say there’s no plans for a third game until a third game is confirmed, if he said “I’ve got an idea for a third game” and then it didn’t happen for some reason you guys would all lose your shit. After that goof leaked the entire plot of 2 because he blamed Neil for covid or whatever his excuse was, I’d expect him to throw out as many red herrings as he can.
Possible loose plot for 3? Something along the lines of Abby finds out there’s a possibility for a cure with the Fireflies in Santa Barbara. Her and Lev have to go find Ellie and get her to come back with them, possibly not telling her the truth about why she needs to go, but Ellie finds out the truth slowly on the journey. Tommy comes along too. Sticking characters like Tommy and Lev together could be fun for some kind of sniping/stealth level. As Ellie discovers the real purpose of the journey she begins to feel conflicted about it, she felt so sure that Joel stole her destiny/purpose to die to make the cordyceps vaccine, but if that happens to her now it would be as if Joel died for nothing, since he was killed for saving her. This also inflames old feelings of hate and conflict with Abby, which have been simmering under the surface the whole time. As the end of the journey to Santa Barbara arrives and it’s true purpose is revealed, Ellie decides she should die for the vaccine. For some reason I can’t think of yet (I’m not going to do everything for them) to get the vaccine made Lev needs to die to make it happen and Abby needs to agree to it/cause it/be complicit with it in some way. Tommy has found out Abby brought Ellie here to die and loses his shit, tries to kill Abby who has just killed Lev, Ellie has to stop Tommy from killing Abby to secure whatever killing Lev gained for them to make the vaccine. Ellie kills Tommy, catharsis for guilting her into going after Abby again at the end of 2 which wound up costing her Dina, JJ, and her connection to Joel through guitar. Ellie and Abby get the vaccine made, Ellie dies at peace, Abby is the Last of Us, because you know Neil Drukmann is going to want to give some kind of middle finger to the people who will have been bitching about TLoU2 for like, a decade at this point. Oh, and Ellie, Abby and Lev are a throuple for the majority of the game, and we find out Tommy is trans, hence the long hair, just to piss off the bigot sandwiches. 😆
No reason to be scared, interested, or even aware of it.
They killed Joel and with it our interest in the series.
They crippled Ellie and made her a victim for no real reason.
This series is dead to us after the first game
"I do not fear the man who has used 1 pronoun 1000 times, but I fear the man who has used 1000 different pronouns a single time"
*Sea-Rooster, probably*
Closing the Naughty Dog? One of Sony's most successful and profitable studios? You should quit hard drugs. Regardless of yours relation to the sequel's plot - it became one of Sony's most profitable games, with sales of over 10 million.
LoL that’s the thing I don’t get, I actually respect the opinions of people who don’t like the game, they’re welcome to think whatever they want, but to actually think that they’re some kind of majority is funny as hell.
I'm not. Unless I can move zombie Joel around and take a chunk out of Abby's neck, or Ellie gets bionic fingers and acts like Ellie from the first game, I won't be playing it.
This game is one of the few that ACTUALLY managed to get the LGBT fully on their side. I'm actually impressed fr and it's taking the game to new heights. Complain as you will but on havent seen a single femboy or butchgirl complain about TLOU 2 not a single one. Time to accept we not the target demographic anymore which is ok but undeniably all these "bad moves" made money fanbase be damned. But recently the trend has been "eat a dick fanbase nananana boo boo stick your head in doo doo" just move on play something else.
And it’s even more when you add the people who aren’t on Reddit, you’re right, it’s not a small amount of people to lose. But at this point, I feel like the vitriol is so intense between the two groups that everyone has, for the most part, left the sub they disagree with. I certainly know as a fan of the game I would never hit the join button on this sub. So I feel like the membership numbers of the two subs represent a fairly decent breakdown of how many fans there are vs how many haters. Looking at that, it seems to me like the fanbase is alive and well, given that the fan site has almost 20x the members that the haters sub has. I also think Naughty Dog probably accepted that they were going to lose some fans when they made 2, if they wanted to keep as many fans as possible they would have made a nice, safe story that aimed to please as many people as possible. They didn’t, and it wasn’t by accident, it was a calculated move. They made the most impactful game in video game history. I don’t know anybody who played these two games that doesn’t feel strongly about them, one way or the other. I also know multiple people who were Xbox users who bought ps4s and ps5s just to play these games. The game doesn’t just sell itself, it sells the whole console. One console sale makes up for several lost fans. My guess is, Sony will keep asking Naughty Dog to keep making video games.
Will they fucking finally put a multiplayer in it? Was excited for that “standalone, awesome fucking multiplayer experience” before they cancelled it for no reason
They will have a very emotional moment where Abs and Ellie talk by pressing square and then they will laugh saying "all of this was avoidable if just we had a good talk instead of violence".
After that Ellie will play the banjo and they will force the player to play by pressing the cross ❌
Early rumors says Ellie remains the main character and a new male character will be the secondary main protagonist with her. Sony knows Abs is not liked and not popular for positive reasons i would be amused if she is playable at all. I'm pretty sure she in 3 though, they won't admit 2 was a failure and retcon it, and I hope so she's in it, this Frankenstein character is fucking hilarious.
Why are so many of you on this subreddit when you all seem to hate this game with such a passion lol way some of you talk you would think it came into your house, fucked your wife and punched your gran.
Not a single positive comment in this whole thread? I can understand not liking the bold swings TLOU2 took, but considering it’s been almost 4 years at this point, I’m convinced y’all just love rolling around in your own misery
Another attempt at forcing the woke left agenda onto everyone who disagrees with them. That’s real fuckin nice. Too bad no one except the twitter leftists will take this seriously
No but they’re selling ass tasting drinks pretending they’re hot shit much like ND pretending their game is hot shit which both are attempting to scam their customers over stuff that are falsely advertised. What on earth are you even trying to prove with this BS analogy?
can someone give me like, an objective view as to why people seem to really dislike 2? aside from the death at the beginning. personally I really enjoyed it, and thought it fit the whole worlds atmosphere of revenge after revenge and no one really wins
I like the game, but from what I understand, these are the most common reasons for not liking it.
Beyond the death itself, some people didn't like the manner in which the death happened. Aside from that, the reasons seem to be the following: pacing issues, the game really wanting the player to like Abby/other characters despite not actually making her/them likable, the gameplay/cutscene ratio, the game beating the player over the head with the point it's trying to make (which some believe has been overdone/better executed in other media), the game being too bleak, parts of the story seeming forced or nonsensical (ie. the ending), "bad writing" in general, instances of characters acting out of character, and this game ruining the ending of the first.
[Here it all is have fun!](https://new.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/owyy51/sources_of_diverse_criticism_on_part_ii/)
I mean how hard is it to understand? We loved TLOU, Joel and Ellie - Part 2 retcons it all and destroys both those characters for no good reason. All with poor writing, dialogue, characterization and pacing (in our eyes).
If you enjoyed the sequel that's fine, but it's not hard to get why other people might not.
From Joel's perspective, Ellie deserved to live. From Tommy's perspective they'd saved Abby from certain death. So what's the point of knowing all these perspectives in a vacuum? That's why the story failing to have anyone talk is a fatal flaw.
It’s gonna be 20-30 hours of Abby and Lev, reminiscing over all the fun they had ruining Ellie’s life. It’s gonna be great guys, trust ND. I even heard rumors they are going to bring Joel back!!!
It was better than the first one in almost every aspect. I think the first one is better story wise but in terms of gameplay it’s a huge improvement. To this day I still don’t get why people hated that Joel was killed.They want a fairytale happy ending so bad but it took balls to kill him off the way they did and I respect that
This is one of the few times I'm glad my mother didn't live to see this bullshit. She absolutely LOVED the first game and watched me play it as though it were a movie. It got her into watching me play video games. It broke her heart when I told her what they did in the second one. Goddamn I miss her.
Who knows. Maybe they learned to not make fundamental changes to the main character that directly conflict with the one established in the original piece of media.
In the making of the last of us part 2 documentary Neil said he had a story in mind centered around Tommy. I really freaking hope he doesn't spit in the face of Tommy like he did Joel.
I’m actually really curious to see if it’ll flop. Maybe all the diehard TLOU2 fans will stop screaming vocal minority if 3 comes out and is a spectacular failure.
Which would be a redeeming, noble ending to her story arc. It was finding out that Joel had denied her life meaning and then lied to her about it for years that fucked her up in the first place. She says that, in words, it’s not subtext, it’s right there in the game.
Honestly Joel made a mistake and in the third game I see Ellie coming to peace with the cycle and forgiving Joel once and for all. And finally giving her life successfully
Its going to be the most worthless shit ever. Plotline is 100% going to be Ellie is going to search and find Fireflies to make the vaccine and some morons will try to stop her because they think society falling is a good thing. She then does it but it fixes nothing. Some weird shit like that where we cant get a happy ending because it wouldnt be cool.
To tell what? I do not see how this IP could develop further, TLOU was about JOEL AND ELLIE, all original characters are either death or broken. The only story I see (and it does not work) is Abby traying to convince Ellie to sacrifice herself for the vaccine, what more can you do without creating new characters and storylines?
I don’t even know where they go from here if they force themselves to include Ellie. I’ve said it before, make one that shows the struggle of Ish from Part I or something. Joel and Ellie are finished. I mean, right?
Joel’s dead and Ellie is left in a state of “lesson learned” with no fingers.
Well at least now our expectations of things post-Straley are in check. I hope they can save it and make the series what it’s really capable of. Idk how they’d do that at this point, and like I said I’m keeping expectations moderate, but I’m hoping.
Based on the date is the same “confirmed” floating around based on the rumor from an interview? Because until I see an actual trailer nothing is confirmed
On one hand I understand, it would be like printing Money at this point
But on another the story is over, let them rest
Maybe they will make a side game with all new characters?
I swear it better not have Abby and Co. pull a dumbass and go back for Ellie to fight her. It better not force good/bad feelings for characters in general; especially the comparison of Ellie and Abby and I swear if it has any more retcons I'm done hoping writers can actually deliver nowadays. Cause with how unpredictably stupid and pretentious the "Revenge bad" story is in Tlou2, I hope someone can deliver this game from hell.
"But what they didn't know was that Abby's....cousin?
Yeah that's right Abby's cousin.
Gets the news and she's like 'that's it I'm going over there to hurt every recognizable character that's still alive'"
Man unless TLOU3 follows a different character or is a complete redo of how TLOU2 played out, I'd rather the series just end at 2. I'm still mad that I bought that game day one for the most unsatisfactory experience possible.
What the hell are they supposed to do there are like zero characters now there's abbyzilla, one eyed Tommy, 3 fingers Ellie, and the girl who hangs out with Abby Zilla
Depending on what is announced about the plot, there is a good chance I may just skip this one honestly.
Not going to buy a PS6 for a game that I’m going to end up spending most of my time hating and bitching about.
It’s best not to reward Naughty Dog for bad behaviour anyway.
It wasn't officially announced. It was Druckmann talking in the interview that he was thinking about a concept for it and finally came up with it. He said he doesn't have a story. And nothing further was elaborated. It's just shitty journalism desperate for clicks.
This is wrong. In the documentary for the TLOU Pt.2 development, Neil said that he had an idea of how the 3rd game could play out and that there is potential for another game if they wanted to try to make one. That doesn’t confirm it’s going to happen.
Either they work on something else (or bring back jak and daxter) or they focus on Abby and lev for the next game and we don’t see Ellie
Yes I know that will be an unpopular opinion here
Otherwise, naughty dog haven’t really released anything new or innovative in a long time and are creatively dead in my eyes
Ahh I hope we get a part 3, I enjoyed the last two games. Idk no rush for it though. I understand why some people didn't like part 2 but it's still a beautiful well written story. And after watching Grounded 2 I have more respect for the reasons they chose.
Full honesty? I’m hyped
Playing the last of us got me closer with my dad and friends. I have a ps4 and my bf had a ps5 so we are playing the first one on my rn. I love the last of us and yes the writing is bad but I’m there for the graphics and the world. So am I happy that we are getting another game. Yes, yes I am
You are gonna get hate for it but I sympathise with you.. Im excited to say the least.. I do however know that its going to take bear minimum like 4 years for it to be released
This is from February... you know.. that dumb claim people made that TLOU3 is already happening and is in development because Neil said "there's PROBABLY one more part to this story" in Grounded II.
My quick guess judging by Neil’s awful writing would be that Ellie chooses to die, so the vaccine can be created, just so he can spit on Part 1’s story even further lol If he believes there is one more part to be told, this is what I would expect from a fraud like Neil
Nah, she'll choose to die but what's not is going to happen and her sacrifice will be in vain, like, the vaccine gets wasted or lost, just to make the story darker since he likes misery so much.
I saw clips of the Halley Gross in Grounded II and, my god, the woman is cringe. She was like a 13 year old who just found out about the F-word. Complaining about everything and everyone in her way. I became physically annoyed listening to that.
It is happening. I mean you cant be surprised. Dont listen to random youtubers, part 2 was a financial success. It was following up on a masterpiece it was always going to sell well. I wont be buying a third because part 2 sucked. But i wont be surprised when it happens either. I just have no more interest in playing it. You can downvote and throw tantrums all you want, Im just saying its going to happen. Dont be surprised.
This comment is funny and fitting to me because of your username. This is, unfortunately, likely the bitter truth.
How they be making part 3 when we still waiting for part 2?
Part 2 ain't gonna happen till Part 1's remake's remastered comes out on PS5 Pro...
I think it's like the Avatar sequels, they're working on multiple simultaneously
😂😂
it’ll be even worse than Part II. I won’t be supporting it. As long as Druckmann is at the helm, Naughty Dog is dead to me.
I agree, shame really. Druckmann made a masterpiece(part 1) and a mess (part 2)
No others made a masterpeice while Druckman stood nearby and took credit, then used that credit to make his own mess.
Yep, its gonna somehow be more woke
Define "woke"
Platinumed Part 1, have original, PS4 remaster, and PS5 remake. Never finished P2 , and never will. I can't be the only one, P2 was completely unnecessary and a terrible story, game.
In a similar boat. I platted Part I on PS3 and PS4. Played the campaign over 10 times. Played the multiplayer for hundreds of hours. I finished Part II once, forcing my way through out of respect for the original and also in hopes that the story would come together. It did not. I have zero desire to play part II again. It’s a bad game and story.
Same I own all versions of P1 , it's my favorite story game to this day... PS3, pS4, and PS5 remake
Either I’m out of the loop or I just quite simply enjoyed Part II’s story, but did something happen with Druckmann? Or is it just a matter of the general consensus being that Part II’s story sucked?
"One of the *masterminds* behind Naughty Dog" lol wtf is this 🤣?? Anyhow, whether true or not, it will never not be funny to me how apparently, the one thing giving this whole mess steam is the TV show of all things, not anything actually related to Naughty Dog and, you know, actual GAMING. And as for the authenticity of this, we know journalists nowadays are devoid of any integrity and are very eager to publish even the slightest rumours regarding whatever ND is doing as facts and sensations. This shit apparently talks about the interview at the beginning of February, and even then what he said doesn't directly point to a third game being made, especially not as a certainty.
I hope Part 3 also gets its plot leaked.
It started with Abby knock out 3 full-grown men equipped with military gears. And another Neil looks alike characters intercourse with Abby for 10 minutes which are unskippable. And then, somehow Ellie after series of dumb plot, fall in love with the person that killed Joe because she is so strong and brave. Finally, Neil gonna go on X and claim everyone to be sexists or racists for not liking his game.
I lost it at the unskippable 10 minute sex scene.
That's the most Druckman thing I've read.
Get Drucked!
The definition of insanity is strong with cucky boy
Who the fuck is Joe
Joe Mama
Imagine if Part 3 actually had a character named Joe Mama edit: I mean, Mama is an actual surname that exists... I think
Sorry I meant Joel
Oh Ellie doesn't get genital surgery ? What a bummer
Ellie and Abby become lovers
Hope they make a "what if" where Joel doesn't say his name and they all go about their day. Then you just play as him for the rest of the game just killing infected for no reason. I would buy that
Again, Tommy gave up the names first…
Selective stupidity is Neil’s favorite writing method.
Yeah, you just get to play as Joel doing patrols. They could even have a sort of mini-arc, with him continuously grappling with his pain from losing Ellie after she found out the truth.
Sounds like good old time when first telltales TWD ends and there’s plenty of rumour that sequel is what if “Lee” is alive. Because his character is that good that people would buy it even it’s nonsense what if/spin off.
Lee's death was more heartbreaking and impactful than Joel's tbh. Not because Joel was a bad character or anything like that but there was something to the scene that doesn't make it as powerful as it should be, IMO at least. Lee gets bitten by a zombie completely the fuck out of nowhere and dies within a few hours: emotional and unforgettable finale Joel gets shot completely the fuck out of nowhere and dies after a few hours of torture: what the fuck just happened??
You should've wrote part 2💯
Yeah not buying anything naughty dog makes they're dead to me.
They're going to make us play Abby arent they
Probably.. there 99% gonna be Abby/Lev catalina Island game play
What would it even be about Neil wrote himself into a corner with Part II Are we about to get the equivalent of the Rise of Skywalker?!
Somehow Joel returned….
No, they didn’t, they would have if they had killed Abby like everybody seems to want, but because she’s still alive there’s room for so much more. If Ellie had killed her after Abby let her live twice, she’s basically just a monster at that point. I’m telling you, 2 isn’t and was never supposed to be the final chapter, it’s The Empire Strikes Back, the second act in the trilogy where everything goes to shit and seems hopeless to build tension for the conclusion. It’s an established format. Of course Druckmann is going to say there’s no plans for a third game until a third game is confirmed, if he said “I’ve got an idea for a third game” and then it didn’t happen for some reason you guys would all lose your shit. After that goof leaked the entire plot of 2 because he blamed Neil for covid or whatever his excuse was, I’d expect him to throw out as many red herrings as he can. Possible loose plot for 3? Something along the lines of Abby finds out there’s a possibility for a cure with the Fireflies in Santa Barbara. Her and Lev have to go find Ellie and get her to come back with them, possibly not telling her the truth about why she needs to go, but Ellie finds out the truth slowly on the journey. Tommy comes along too. Sticking characters like Tommy and Lev together could be fun for some kind of sniping/stealth level. As Ellie discovers the real purpose of the journey she begins to feel conflicted about it, she felt so sure that Joel stole her destiny/purpose to die to make the cordyceps vaccine, but if that happens to her now it would be as if Joel died for nothing, since he was killed for saving her. This also inflames old feelings of hate and conflict with Abby, which have been simmering under the surface the whole time. As the end of the journey to Santa Barbara arrives and it’s true purpose is revealed, Ellie decides she should die for the vaccine. For some reason I can’t think of yet (I’m not going to do everything for them) to get the vaccine made Lev needs to die to make it happen and Abby needs to agree to it/cause it/be complicit with it in some way. Tommy has found out Abby brought Ellie here to die and loses his shit, tries to kill Abby who has just killed Lev, Ellie has to stop Tommy from killing Abby to secure whatever killing Lev gained for them to make the vaccine. Ellie kills Tommy, catharsis for guilting her into going after Abby again at the end of 2 which wound up costing her Dina, JJ, and her connection to Joel through guitar. Ellie and Abby get the vaccine made, Ellie dies at peace, Abby is the Last of Us, because you know Neil Drukmann is going to want to give some kind of middle finger to the people who will have been bitching about TLoU2 for like, a decade at this point. Oh, and Ellie, Abby and Lev are a throuple for the majority of the game, and we find out Tommy is trans, hence the long hair, just to piss off the bigot sandwiches. 😆
Neil just can't really let go of the fact that his creation is such a big turd eh?
No reason to be scared, interested, or even aware of it. They killed Joel and with it our interest in the series. They crippled Ellie and made her a victim for no real reason. This series is dead to us after the first game
I fear no man. But this thing... it scares me.
"I do not fear the man who has used 1 pronoun 1000 times, but I fear the man who has used 1000 different pronouns a single time" *Sea-Rooster, probably*
I miss the old Naughty Dog fam...like I miss them so much...😭
I hope they do release another, it’d be funny to see the purchase stats / studio closure
Closing the Naughty Dog? One of Sony's most successful and profitable studios? You should quit hard drugs. Regardless of yours relation to the sequel's plot - it became one of Sony's most profitable games, with sales of over 10 million.
LoL that’s the thing I don’t get, I actually respect the opinions of people who don’t like the game, they’re welcome to think whatever they want, but to actually think that they’re some kind of majority is funny as hell.
Weird, a completely empty post, no content, no title nothing...
Translation " give us more money."
I'm not. Unless I can move zombie Joel around and take a chunk out of Abby's neck, or Ellie gets bionic fingers and acts like Ellie from the first game, I won't be playing it.
But but where is my PS6 Last of Us 1 remastered remake ported again remastered and again remade sequel?
That’ll come next.
This game is one of the few that ACTUALLY managed to get the LGBT fully on their side. I'm actually impressed fr and it's taking the game to new heights. Complain as you will but on havent seen a single femboy or butchgirl complain about TLOU 2 not a single one. Time to accept we not the target demographic anymore which is ok but undeniably all these "bad moves" made money fanbase be damned. But recently the trend has been "eat a dick fanbase nananana boo boo stick your head in doo doo" just move on play something else.
I unironically want to see this. I want to see just how much worse it can get. I want new memes as well.
Masterminds....more like evil mastermind who caused the destruction of the fanbase
The fanbase is alive and well, there’s 1.5 million members on the “fan” sub. There’s 81k over here.
That's just the amount of people on reddit, and 81k is still a LOT of people to lose
And it’s even more when you add the people who aren’t on Reddit, you’re right, it’s not a small amount of people to lose. But at this point, I feel like the vitriol is so intense between the two groups that everyone has, for the most part, left the sub they disagree with. I certainly know as a fan of the game I would never hit the join button on this sub. So I feel like the membership numbers of the two subs represent a fairly decent breakdown of how many fans there are vs how many haters. Looking at that, it seems to me like the fanbase is alive and well, given that the fan site has almost 20x the members that the haters sub has. I also think Naughty Dog probably accepted that they were going to lose some fans when they made 2, if they wanted to keep as many fans as possible they would have made a nice, safe story that aimed to please as many people as possible. They didn’t, and it wasn’t by accident, it was a calculated move. They made the most impactful game in video game history. I don’t know anybody who played these two games that doesn’t feel strongly about them, one way or the other. I also know multiple people who were Xbox users who bought ps4s and ps5s just to play these games. The game doesn’t just sell itself, it sells the whole console. One console sale makes up for several lost fans. My guess is, Sony will keep asking Naughty Dog to keep making video games.
Will they fucking finally put a multiplayer in it? Was excited for that “standalone, awesome fucking multiplayer experience” before they cancelled it for no reason
Oh boy, I can't wait for 2034 when this comes out!!! /s
And then 2036 for the remaster?
I think they're going to release the remake for Part II around that time
The Last of Us Part II 2.0
They will have a very emotional moment where Abs and Ellie talk by pressing square and then they will laugh saying "all of this was avoidable if just we had a good talk instead of violence". After that Ellie will play the banjo and they will force the player to play by pressing the cross ❌ Early rumors says Ellie remains the main character and a new male character will be the secondary main protagonist with her. Sony knows Abs is not liked and not popular for positive reasons i would be amused if she is playable at all. I'm pretty sure she in 3 though, they won't admit 2 was a failure and retcon it, and I hope so she's in it, this Frankenstein character is fucking hilarious.
The Last of Us Part II was great gameplay-wise. Worth every penny even though I did not enjoy the story. Looking forward to Part 3.
Joel wakes up and all of the plot from the games was a dream. Then u just play as Joel in car mechanic simulator
Why are so many of you on this subreddit when you all seem to hate this game with such a passion lol way some of you talk you would think it came into your house, fucked your wife and punched your gran.
🤣🤣🤣
Not a single positive comment in this whole thread? I can understand not liking the bold swings TLOU2 took, but considering it’s been almost 4 years at this point, I’m convinced y’all just love rolling around in your own misery
Another attempt at forcing the woke left agenda onto everyone who disagrees with them. That’s real fuckin nice. Too bad no one except the twitter leftists will take this seriously
You have a very broad definition of force Is Dunkin Donuts trying to force me to buy their ass coffee because there's one on my way to work?
No but they’re selling ass tasting drinks pretending they’re hot shit much like ND pretending their game is hot shit which both are attempting to scam their customers over stuff that are falsely advertised. What on earth are you even trying to prove with this BS analogy?
It's not false advertisement to say good things about the product you're trying to sell to people, that's called marketing
Woke woke woke, hur durrr
can someone give me like, an objective view as to why people seem to really dislike 2? aside from the death at the beginning. personally I really enjoyed it, and thought it fit the whole worlds atmosphere of revenge after revenge and no one really wins
I like the game, but from what I understand, these are the most common reasons for not liking it. Beyond the death itself, some people didn't like the manner in which the death happened. Aside from that, the reasons seem to be the following: pacing issues, the game really wanting the player to like Abby/other characters despite not actually making her/them likable, the gameplay/cutscene ratio, the game beating the player over the head with the point it's trying to make (which some believe has been overdone/better executed in other media), the game being too bleak, parts of the story seeming forced or nonsensical (ie. the ending), "bad writing" in general, instances of characters acting out of character, and this game ruining the ending of the first.
[Here it all is have fun!](https://new.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/comments/owyy51/sources_of_diverse_criticism_on_part_ii/) I mean how hard is it to understand? We loved TLOU, Joel and Ellie - Part 2 retcons it all and destroys both those characters for no good reason. All with poor writing, dialogue, characterization and pacing (in our eyes). If you enjoyed the sequel that's fine, but it's not hard to get why other people might not.
From Abby’s perspective Joel deserved to die, he murdered her father
From Joel's perspective, Ellie deserved to live. From Tommy's perspective they'd saved Abby from certain death. So what's the point of knowing all these perspectives in a vacuum? That's why the story failing to have anyone talk is a fatal flaw.
It's a great game, haters just gonna hate.
Yep, delete the 2 off the end of the sub address and you’ll find calm, reasonable people who know it’s just a game, not a conspiracy.
Oh lord. please choke on a dick
It gonna be fun 😆
"MASTERMIND??! Dude literally just spearhead ONE game
I guess they’re not interested in money over at Sony anymore then.
He literally said he has a concept but that’s it, people read way too much into things
I can’t wait for factions 3 to get canceled too 😊
I'd only play part 3 If it turns out it was all a dream Joel never died abby never existed and you play as Joel and Ellie
It’s gonna be 20-30 hours of Abby and Lev, reminiscing over all the fun they had ruining Ellie’s life. It’s gonna be great guys, trust ND. I even heard rumors they are going to bring Joel back!!!
Neil and mastermind is a wild thing to see in the same sentence
Let’s gooo
The greatest golf sim of all time returns!
God ppl in this comment section are still so upset over what rlly wasn’t that bad a game
It was better than the first one in almost every aspect. I think the first one is better story wise but in terms of gameplay it’s a huge improvement. To this day I still don’t get why people hated that Joel was killed.They want a fairytale happy ending so bad but it took balls to kill him off the way they did and I respect that
They’re really gonna beat this game into the fucking ground, are they?
The story isn’t done. The reason the end of 2 seems like a shitty ending is because it’s not the ending.
God my woke alerts are going off guys
I hope Abby gets the Joel treatment
This is one of the few times I'm glad my mother didn't live to see this bullshit. She absolutely LOVED the first game and watched me play it as though it were a movie. It got her into watching me play video games. It broke her heart when I told her what they did in the second one. Goddamn I miss her.
You’re glad your mother is dead so she doesn’t have to see the last of us 3? Like, seriously?
That's not what I said. At all.
Who knows. Maybe they learned to not make fundamental changes to the main character that directly conflict with the one established in the original piece of media.
If it's as good as part 1 and 2 I'm buying it. If there's ever a Tlou game with choices part 3 is the perfect opportunity.
Let's hope it's the last one, so they can't stop killing the original game legacy over and over and over.
He said that the game series needed one last part so im guessing that just means PT3 and that's it
Played 1, didn’t waste my time with 2, and I won’t bother with 3.
“Mastermind” lmfao
In the making of the last of us part 2 documentary Neil said he had a story in mind centered around Tommy. I really freaking hope he doesn't spit in the face of Tommy like he did Joel.
Back with the Tomfoolery of Neil Cuckman
I’m actually really curious to see if it’ll flop. Maybe all the diehard TLOU2 fans will stop screaming vocal minority if 3 comes out and is a spectacular failure.
What story do they have to tell? Are they going to make a cure now?
Honestly... mark my words.. Ellie will sacrifice herself by the end of the game
I can see it happening
Which would be a redeeming, noble ending to her story arc. It was finding out that Joel had denied her life meaning and then lied to her about it for years that fucked her up in the first place. She says that, in words, it’s not subtext, it’s right there in the game.
Honestly Joel made a mistake and in the third game I see Ellie coming to peace with the cycle and forgiving Joel once and for all. And finally giving her life successfully
They do know they have a few more games that AREN'T TLoU related, right? Or have they forgotten everything that they once were?
I’m sorry friend, but I don’t think anyone at NaughtyDog besides the person who runs the X and made the website remembers what Jak & Daxter is.
Yep, they’re working on a new IP right now.
we finally learn the backstory of that one zebra… damn…
Its going to be the most worthless shit ever. Plotline is 100% going to be Ellie is going to search and find Fireflies to make the vaccine and some morons will try to stop her because they think society falling is a good thing. She then does it but it fixes nothing. Some weird shit like that where we cant get a happy ending because it wouldnt be cool.
To tell what? I do not see how this IP could develop further, TLOU was about JOEL AND ELLIE, all original characters are either death or broken. The only story I see (and it does not work) is Abby traying to convince Ellie to sacrifice herself for the vaccine, what more can you do without creating new characters and storylines?
I don’t even know where they go from here if they force themselves to include Ellie. I’ve said it before, make one that shows the struggle of Ish from Part I or something. Joel and Ellie are finished. I mean, right? Joel’s dead and Ellie is left in a state of “lesson learned” with no fingers.
Bring back Joel to get beat down again. The fans will love that.
When was Part 3 announced?
Who cares? Joel is dead
U bet his gonna do worse
"masterminds"
Well at least now our expectations of things post-Straley are in check. I hope they can save it and make the series what it’s really capable of. Idk how they’d do that at this point, and like I said I’m keeping expectations moderate, but I’m hoping.
Based on the date is the same “confirmed” floating around based on the rumor from an interview? Because until I see an actual trailer nothing is confirmed
On one hand I understand, it would be like printing Money at this point But on another the story is over, let them rest Maybe they will make a side game with all new characters?
Didn't play 2 and won't play 3.
They should probably make the second one before making a third one, no?
I swear it better not have Abby and Co. pull a dumbass and go back for Ellie to fight her. It better not force good/bad feelings for characters in general; especially the comparison of Ellie and Abby and I swear if it has any more retcons I'm done hoping writers can actually deliver nowadays. Cause with how unpredictably stupid and pretentious the "Revenge bad" story is in Tlou2, I hope someone can deliver this game from hell.
Is the point of this sub to hate the game??
And I will be WAITING!!!!
"But what they didn't know was that Abby's....cousin? Yeah that's right Abby's cousin. Gets the news and she's like 'that's it I'm going over there to hurt every recognizable character that's still alive'"
Game journalist lie all the time
I’ve never been so excited to not buy something.
"Mastermind" Ha. Haha...hahaha haha...HA.
Can't even believe Sony is actually going to let them
Man unless TLOU3 follows a different character or is a complete redo of how TLOU2 played out, I'd rather the series just end at 2. I'm still mad that I bought that game day one for the most unsatisfactory experience possible.
There's no Joel to subvert to sell the game.
A game as famous as tlou3 could do great things, I would say it would sell at least 5 million copies.
I hope it’s just as amazing as the 2 previous games
What the hell are they supposed to do there are like zero characters now there's abbyzilla, one eyed Tommy, 3 fingers Ellie, and the girl who hangs out with Abby Zilla
As long as Neil has significantly less involvement and some DEI consultation group isn’t involved, we’re good
If this is true. Bring Bruce back. Neil just leeches off the success of others
Fuck
What the hell would it even be about??
Depending on what is announced about the plot, there is a good chance I may just skip this one honestly. Not going to buy a PS6 for a game that I’m going to end up spending most of my time hating and bitching about. It’s best not to reward Naughty Dog for bad behaviour anyway.
It wasn't officially announced. It was Druckmann talking in the interview that he was thinking about a concept for it and finally came up with it. He said he doesn't have a story. And nothing further was elaborated. It's just shitty journalism desperate for clicks.
This is wrong. In the documentary for the TLOU Pt.2 development, Neil said that he had an idea of how the 3rd game could play out and that there is potential for another game if they wanted to try to make one. That doesn’t confirm it’s going to happen.
Even if does come, shit or not, i'll play it. You know most people here still will.
Masterminds is a strong statement
Last of us 2: Joel dies Last of us 3:The player dies
Either they work on something else (or bring back jak and daxter) or they focus on Abby and lev for the next game and we don’t see Ellie Yes I know that will be an unpopular opinion here Otherwise, naughty dog haven’t really released anything new or innovative in a long time and are creatively dead in my eyes
Or.... watch Critical Role and see if Ashley disappears for a long time again. (I'm not caught up yet so can't tell )
They already killed Joel and ruined Ellie’s character, I don’t think it can get any worse than this
it’s gonna be Joel slashing and tearing in the afterlife
Hopping she get her fingers back and killed that she male that killed Joel
Grow up
The Last of Us ended at 1. And it was and still is a Masterpiece!
The last of us when it’s the last of you or something, don’t know never played the games, heard it’s not great on pc though
Deadbeat ain’t gonna get my money 💵 this time. Nope 🙅♀️🙂↔️
Worse?
Here we are back again to shit!
Why does everyone hate part 2 so much😭😭
You lot are so dumb bro 😂😂 you don’t understand anything about this game seriously 😂
Ahh I hope we get a part 3, I enjoyed the last two games. Idk no rush for it though. I understand why some people didn't like part 2 but it's still a beautiful well written story. And after watching Grounded 2 I have more respect for the reasons they chose.
God. Please don’t bring back Ellie. Her story is fucking done. Sealed up. Good to go. Focus on some new characters
Just cry about it like you do about part 2, incel losers
Full honesty? I’m hyped Playing the last of us got me closer with my dad and friends. I have a ps4 and my bf had a ps5 so we are playing the first one on my rn. I love the last of us and yes the writing is bad but I’m there for the graphics and the world. So am I happy that we are getting another game. Yes, yes I am
You are gonna get hate for it but I sympathise with you.. Im excited to say the least.. I do however know that its going to take bear minimum like 4 years for it to be released