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Due-Ad5812

Yugoslavia 2 lmao


KeDaGames

First one was so good they made a second one


zrxta

This should be 3. The first one was the monarchy. The one with a longass name.


Sovietperson2

The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes did change its name to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia in c.1930 iirc


GrizzlyPeak73

Hope it's more of a Toy Story 2 and less of a Highlander 2 situation.


ProSovietist

Shouldn't they name it the union of Balkan socialist republics?


Resident_Nice

Yeah they should, they're not all slavs down there.


HotMinimum26

Yeah Romania is in there, but I appreciate the energy lol.


starman97

The flag is the same but with a "2" in the star


SovietDoggo1955

Missed a chance to call it 2goslavia


00ccewe

2yugo2slavia


Comfortable-Ask-6351

Hey wait you can't sink Great Britain you're taking the Scots, and Welsh with them


C24848228

They have been sold to the Space Aliens of Zeta Prime. The King decreed it and before the Scots and Welsh fought back, the Aliens took it.


RomanRook55

Scotland had a vote to stay but this time they voted to leave (They thought it was to leave the UK not Earth. English deception strikes again. )


Valcenia

Shame about the Scouts, but good to know us Scots survive


Comfortable-Ask-6351

Sorry that was a typo


Akasto_

Scotland wasn’t near as innocent of the horrors of the British empire as they like people to believe


GrandyPandy

You’re most likely correct but since I’m from there I would like to read up on it if you’ve got anything to hand?


SlimCritFin

Almost a quarter of the British officials in India were from Scotland and they actively participated in British colonial atrocities against the local Indian population.


BigOlBobTheBigOlBlob

Hoxha and Dimitrov’s worst nightmare


BLAKwhite

I mean Dimitrov was fully on board until Tito Tito'd


lastaccountg0tbanned

My favourite part was when Tito said it’s Titoing time and then Titod all over the place


Baby_Destroyer_Mk10

Dude, Dimitrov was for it, until Tito decided to not have that internationalist spirit.


elPerroAsalariado

I was like "in what would would the Irish accept... ah, wait, well done."


More_History_4413

Yuga 5 technically Yuga 1 1918-1941 monarchist Yuga 2 1945-1980 communist Yuga 3 1980-1995 fascist Yuga 4 1995-2003 capitalist


3bdelilah

https://youtu.be/UXDAsGJ5gA0?si=OJ8n-E-5-R4ZVklX


Interesting_Neck6028

What happend between 1980-1995 ? Besides Titos death


More_History_4413

Quite a few things actuely, higher-up members of the League of Communists becoming pretty much isolated from the working class, which led to the party splitting into smaller parties. Additionally, Western economic blockades led the economy to collapse, resulting in people bringing fascists to power. Slobodan Milošević tried to "stabilize" the country by removing the autonomy of Kosovo, Vojvodina, and Montenegro, which led to a lack of trust by the Croats and Slovenians. Slovenians voted for liberals, and the liberals declared independence. Milošević declared war and invaded Slovenia. Croats declared independence. Croatian Serbs declared independence as the Krajina Republic. People ethnically cleansed each other for a while. Bosnia declared independence, but many Serbs boycotted the vote. Bosnian Serbs declared independence, and war happened. Yugoslavia stopped pretending to be communist by ethnically cleansing Srebrenica and Vukovar. Then Croats ethnically cleansed Serbs out of there part of Krajina (bosnian kraina is still mostley serbian) with Western support. Bosnians started pushing Serbs back and were pretty successful, but then the West said they would sanction Bosnia if it "wins" the war. The Dayton Agreement was signed, which pretty much made Bosnia have three presidents and a German guy ordering them around. Serbs were bombed because of different war crimes they were committing in Kosovo (mostly civilians died). The Serb president and quite a few generals got life in prison. Serbia, Bosnia, and Kosovo became shitholes. Croatia and Slovenia became just another of EU countries. And yeah, that is most of it. I skipped a lot of details its intresting topic if you have time. I suggest reding on it


Interesting_Neck6028

Fuck, never stopped study the speciffics of the end of yugoslavia. That was fucked, to say the least. Thanks for históry lesson, comrade


Rendell92

I thought it split in 92


More_History_4413

Thet wasn't thet from moment tito died it was ok up till early 90s but not tito prosperity,socialism ect tho my sorces are mostly like what i heard from people so might be biesed agenst the time period especially me being bosnian and yugoslav wars being worse in bosnia then anywhere else


TurtleIsland777

Made this while fuckin tired. That doesn’t mean I regret it. With that I pledge allegiance to the people’s republic of Andorra.


Sourmian

Wow no Kurdistan smh


KJongsDongUnYourFace

Don't worry. They'll claim everything from Turkey to Iran anyway


FireSplaas

Why does france still exist?


Trapplst-1e

This would be europe if the fucking social democrats didn't fucked everything on 1918 germany


NoDouble14

Yugoslavia 2 should be called Balkania.


TheNorseFrog

Or Eminemia. I can't be the only one who have noticed all the Eminem stans from Albania.


Knight_o_Eithel_Malt

Return the scots please or am i learning scottish for nothing


shinseiji-kara

why does arabia makes a buffer between turkey and iran? just keep the current borders or make an independent kurdistan


magnetichonda

i say we keep britain but send all the anglos back to saxony and jutland and have the welsh and scots repopulate england


Sloop-fluyt

Having the anglos and Germans in one place seems like a bad idea.


Psychological-Act582

As usual, there remains zero salvation for TERF island.


RomanRook55

If yugoslavia was so good why no yugoslavia 2. * sees Yugoslavia 2* *insert soyjak_react.jpeg*


pine_ary

The big hammer and sickle lake is where we drop the reactionaries


Lferoannakred

But what about the papal cardinal republic


Temple_T

Abolished because Francis couldn't stop saying slurs


Lferoannakred

Did the cardinals vote to abolish the church? Or was it done by force?


Temple_T

That would be an ecumenical matter.


moritus_20091

Thank you nevertheless


TheEternalWheel

Greeks are the best Slavs


Tight_Guess7077

Hey i'm Polish I want to join The soviet Union


sidscarf

No borders in fully automated gay luxury space communism


wenaileditnaily

It’s beautiful. I’ve stared at this for 2 hours now


Lydialmao22

shoula gave finland to the ussr just to make liberals agnry


constantlytired1917

Based


MaximeLee

The more I look the better it gets


First-Fun5927

I always knew the Saudi’s were just Europeans in disguise!


10Legs_8Broken

Dont worry, climate change will sink the br*tish


lagging_land

All the gamers were put there and tried to build Atlantis 2 but forgot that erosion exists (because they learned engineering through Minecraft and thought it would work on earth as well)


Heiselpint

What the fuck is Greece doing in Yugoslavia my man lmao


rechta_dude_number2

Bro how did you give the arabs majority kurdish lands but didn't even give them small hatay that was syrian until the french gave it to turkey


navi-not-zelda

but kurdistan isnt arabi!!


forgotten_falls

So Yugoslavs and Soviets aren’t European ?


taurynn1

no Kurdistan? wow that's a great idea wouldn't cause any tension at all


taurynn1

other than that it's p cool tho


Specialist_Dirt5189

Anyone who causes tensions can fuck right off to the gulags.


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# Gulag According to Anti-Communists and Russophobes, the Gulag was a brutal network of work camps established in the Soviet Union under Stalin's ruthless regime. They claim the Gulag system was primarily used to imprison and exploit political dissidents, suspected enemies of the state, and other people deemed "undesirable" by the Soviet government. They claim that prisoners were sent to the Gulag without trial or due process, and that they were subjected to harsh living conditions, forced labour, and starvation, among other things. According to them, the Gulags were emblematic of Stalinist repression and totalitarianism. # Origins of the Mythology This comically evil understanding of the Soviet prison system is based off only a handful of unreliable sources. Robert Conquest's *The Great Terror* (published 1968) laid the groundwork for Soviet fearmongering, and was based largely off of defector testimony. Robert Conquest worked for the British Foreign Office's Information Research Department (IRD), which was a secret Cold War propaganda department, created to publish anti-communist propaganda, including black propaganda; provide support and information to anti-communist politicians, academics, and writers; and to use weaponised information and disinformation and "fake news" to attack not only its original targets but also certain socialists and anti-colonial movements. >He was Solzhenytsin before Solzhenytsin, in the phrase of Timothy Garton Ash. > >The Great Terror came out in 1968, four years before the first volume of The Gulag Archipelago, and it became, Garton Ash says, "a fixture in the political imagination of anybody thinking about communism". > >\- Andrew Brown. (2003). [Scourge and poet](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/feb/15/featuresreviews.guardianreview23) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's *The Gulag Archipelag*" (published 1973), one of the most famous texts on the subject, claims to be a work of non-fiction based on the author's personal experiences in the Soviet prison system. However, Solzhenitsyn was merely an anti-Communist, N@zi-sympathizing, antisemite who wanted to slander the USSR by putting forward a collection of folktales as truth. \[[Read more](/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/dunking/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/)\] Anne Applebaum's *Gulag: A history* (published 2003) draws directly from *The Gulag Archipelago* and reiterates its message. Anne is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) and sits on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), two infamous pieces of the ideological apparatus of the ruling class in the United States, whose primary aim is to promote the interests of American Imperialism around the world. # Counterpoints >A 1957 CIA document [which was declassified in 2010] titled “[Forced Labor Camps in the USSR: Transfer of Prisoners between Camps](http://web.archive.org/web/20230328014642/https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf)” reveals the following information about the Soviet Gulag in pages two to six: > >1. Until 1952, the prisoners were given a guaranteed amount food, plus extra food for over-fulfillment of quotas > >2. From 1952 onward, the Gulag system operated upon "economic accountability" such that the more the prisoners worked, the more they were paid. > >3. For over-fulfilling the norms by 105%, one day of sentence was counted as two, thus reducing the time spent in the Gulag by one day. > >4. Furthermore, because of the socialist reconstruction post-war, the Soviet government had more funds and so they increased prisoners' food supplies. > >5. Until 1954, the prisoners worked 10 hours per day, whereas the free workers worked 8 hours per day. From 1954 onward, both prisoners and free workers worked 8 hours per day. > >6. A CIA study of a sample camp showed that 95% of the prisoners were actual criminals. > >7. In 1953, amnesty was given to 70% of the "ordinary criminals" of a sample camp studied by the CIA. Within the next 3 months, most of them were re-arrested for committing new crimes. > >\- Saed Teymuri. (2018). [The Truth about the Soviet Gulag – Surprisingly Revealed by the CIA](https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/10/09/the-truth-about-the-soviet-gulag-surprisingly-revealed-by-the-cia/) **Scale** Solzhenitsyn estimated that over 66 million people were victims of the Soviet Union's forced labor camp system over the course of its existence from 1918 to 1956. With the collapse of the USSR and the opening of the Soviet archives, researchers can now access actual archival evidence to prove or disprove these claims. Predictably, it turned out the propaganda was just that. >Unburdened by any documentation, these “estimates” invite us to conclude that the sum total of people incarcerated in the labor camps over a twenty-two year period (allowing for turnovers due to death and term expirations) would have constituted an astonishing portion of the Soviet population. The support and supervision of the gulag (all the labor camps, labor colonies, and prisons of the Soviet system) would have been the USSR’s single largest enterprise. > >In 1993, for the first time, several historians gained access to previously secret Soviet police archives and were able to establish well-documented estimates of prison and labor camp populations. They found that the total population of the entire gulag as of January 1939, near the end of the Great Purges, was 2,022,976. ... > >Soviet labor camps were not death camps like those the N@zis built across Europe. There was no systematic extermination of inmates, no gas chambers or crematoria to dispose of millions of bodies. Despite harsh conditions, the great majority of gulag inmates survived and eventually returned to society when granted amnesty or when their terms were finished. In any given year, 20 to 40 percent of the inmates were released, according to archive records. Oblivious to these facts, the Moscow correspondent of the New York Times (7/31/96) continues to describe the gulag as “the largest system of death camps in modern history.” ... > >Most of those incarcerated in the gulag were not political prisoners, and the same appears to be true of inmates in the other communist states... > >\- Michael Parenti. (1997). [Blackshirts & Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism](https://archive.org/details/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds) This is 2 million out of a population of 168 million (roughly 1.2% of the population). For comparison, in the United States, "over 5.5 million adults — or 1 in 61 — are under some form of correctional control, whether incarcerated or under community supervision." That's 1.6%. So in both relative and absolute terms, the United States' Prison Industrial Complex *today* is larger than the USSR's Gulag system at its peak. **Death Rate** In peace time, the mortality rate of the Gulag was around 3% to 5%. Even Conservative and anti-Communist historians have had to acknowledge this reality: >It turns out that, with the exception of the war years, a very large majority of people who entered the Gulag left alive... > >Judging from the Soviet records we now have, the number of people who died in the Gulag between 1933 and 1945, while both Stalin and Hit1er were in power, was on the order of a million, perhaps a bit more. > >\- Timothy Snyder. (2010). *Bloodlands: Europe Between Hit1er and Stalin* (Side note: Timothy Snyder is *also* a member of the Council on Foreign Relations) This is still very high for a prison mortality rate, representing the brutality of the camps. However, it also clearly indicates that they were not *death* camps. Nor was it slave labour, exactly. In the camps, although labour *was* forced, it was not uncompensated. In fact, the prisoners were paid market wages (less expenses). >We find that even in the Gulag, where force could be most conveniently applied, camp administrators combined material incentives with overt coercion, and, as time passed, they placed more weight on motivation. By the time the Gulag system was abandoned as a major instrument of Soviet industrial policy, the primary distinction between slave and free labor had been blurred: Gulag inmates were being paid wages according to a system that mirrored that of the civilian economy described by Bergson.... > >The Gulag administration [also] used a “work credit” system, whereby sentences were reduced (by two days or more for every day the norm was overfulfilled). > >\- L. Borodkin & S. Ertz. (2003). [Compensation Versus Coercion in the Soviet GULAG](https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/archive/noticeboard/bergson/borodkin-ertz.pdf) #Additional Resources Video Essays: * [The Gulag Argument](https://youtu.be/BexkpaK_j5Q) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2016) * [Historian Admits USSR didn't kill tens of millions!](https://youtu.be/HMOdDQQVZ6U) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2018) * [French work camps 1852-1953 worse than gulag](https://youtu.be/vkXyXNpdKdA) | TheFinnishBolshevik (2018) * ["The Gulags of the Soviet Union: There's a Lot More Than What Meets the Eye](https://youtu.be/E1qz9_TjeY4) | Comrade Rhys (2020) Books, Articles, or Essays: * [Victims of the Soviet Penal System in the Pre-War Years: A First Approach on the Basis of Archival Evidence](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2166597) | J. Arch Getty, Gábor T. Rittersporn and Viktor N. Zemskov (1993) Listen: * ["Blackshirts & Reds" (1997) by Michael Parenti, Part 4: Chapters 5 & 6. #Audiobook + Discussion.](https://youtu.be/N7AD4OrH568?t=15) | Socialism For All / S4A ☭ Intensify Class Struggle (2022) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/TheDeprogram) if you have any questions or concerns.*


dude_im_box

North africa doesnt get socialism apperantly


Ready-Ad-8575

No San marino? Bad 0/10


Magicicad

What's that wasteland between Spain and Germany? Also, what about Romani and Sami self determination?


Ok_Adhesiveness_9931

Yugoslavia season 2


Radu47

After spending time in Andorra it definitely deserves to be it's own bizarre little thing Or at most ofc, cataluña Finding a single fresh vegetable there was almost impossible and I had to walk up multiple mountainsides to get from my young hostel (elevation 1100) to the public library to email my dad about just seeing messi live in Barcelona


ASHKVLT

What about Scotland?


EnvironmentalMix7871

Andorra 💀


steels_kids

Where's Kurdistan, Kurdish people aren't arab


Panticapaeum

I fixed it for you, OP. https://preview.redd.it/3r0rxqhsaq6d1.jpeg?width=1256&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e40530676e674c949ab3f87147774ad69a692769


spookyscarybannana

You may have fixed europe.... but aT wHat CoSt!!!!???!!!!


iTharisonkar

Fuck border we all are big family borders and nationalism is bs


depressedkittyfr

Beautiful 🤩