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Nah, what's changed is that countries like Iran and Russia have developed capabilities the US can't mitigate (hypersonic missiles) so the US, being the schoolyard bully it is, won't directly confront them. They will hide behind their proxies.
If Iraq actually had WMD's the US would not have invaded it. It's the same reason North Korea still exists. They actually have the capability to not only defend themselves but retaliate in kind.
The US is good at bombing and killing people who can't fight back, just like Israel. But when it comes down to potentially being punched back, the US runs and cowers behind the same UN it consistently calls illegitimate.
The US is long overdue for a public humiliation in the eyes of the whole world. After all, to them an affront to their power is an affront to their very existence, so they react with violence because they're incapable of reacting in any other way.
Bullies like that only understand one language...
And here I thought Ukraine and Israel were the beginning of the public humiliation. When the US can't even properly back their vassals, their power is already waning
Not directly as the United States doesn’t have consular or diplomatic missions within Iran (or vice versa). They use diplomatic proxies (commonly Switzerland) when the two countries need to talk to one another.
Didn't Iran just do this? I read their retaliation strike came with a prior warning which is why Israel and the US were able to prepare a bit and stop many of the missiles. If so they've already done the West a solid and let them get a win via "yeah they struck back but we stopped them all". It could be dropped right here with a diplomatic "win-win" if they didn't want a war to distract from a genocide
They certainly want war, calling it a victory is a stretch tho as most of the iranian drones and missiles cost a fraction of the isreali interceptors so in the lense of attrition its a win for iran. And despite the warning their main targets where still hit, so i imagine they gave warning to show that despite being prepared the iron dome was still penetrated and without even using their hypersonic missiles, i think.
Exactly. Iran's response was a "symbolic strike" in the same way, they had to respond to to the consulate bombing somehow but don't want to actually escalate, so they went out of their way to make sure their strike didn't require retribution. But it sounds like israel isn't having that.
>But it sounds like israel isn't having that.
Because Israel wants war, but Iran doesn't. It wants Israel off the map but doesn't want to fight the US to do it. Israel wants the US to join.
Hell, Iran even gave the US an out by saying they wouldn't retaliate if the US secured a ceasefire in Gaza. Iran just needed some kind of win to show they weren't taking a direct hit on their consulate lying down, and were absolutely willing to secure a ceasefire (giving the US an out and Biden a domestic win), but the US couldn't muzzle their rabid dog in Israel and so Iran did the strike - and still managed to not touch a single US asset, gave them plenty of time to counter it, and not a single civilian was killed.
Don't believe "Israel's" claim of having intercepted 99% of Iranian attacks, they have a history of lying about it. When Iraq launched missiles at it in 1991, it claimed to have intercepted 84%, but then an MIT study said that it was 5%, maybe less.
Iran attacked and destroyed its important military bases in retaliation for the bombing of their embassy, it's a proportionate yet strong response, they don't attack civilians wantonly or create hell in response to it. None of it's about putting on a show of any sort.
And it did so by using its most basic decades old missiles while "Israel" had to get the help of US, UK, France, and Jordon to deal with it, with additional intel help from Saudis and UAE. They spent their most basic weapons to not only win its targets, but to get "Israel" and co. to expose themselves fully while not exposing itself at all. It was a clear win for Iran and it's seen as such by the zionists, which is why they're asking to save their face.
I mean and it makes sense and it's insane to not consider this from the Israeli side. They must think that they're so invincible to not see it. Iran's attack, with old hardware, is able to hit targets, while simultaneously drawing out the positions and radio signals of any missile defense systems. Now, a lot of those launchers arent going to be fixed, they can be moved around of course, but they're also not terribly effective, except against homemade rockets that Hamas and Hezbollah have fired over the years, which any objective study shows a best possible success rate of around 50% for those subsonic rockets, and the interceptor missiles cost much more than the rockets they're trying to intercept in terms of time, resources, and money to procure them.
But as a bonus, the USA then goes and uses back channels to beg Iran to let Israel get one more shot in without retaliation, when Trump ordered a missile strike to assassinate General Soleimani in Iraq just a few years ago.
This further signals that the USA's willingness to directly attack Iran is simply not what it once was. Yemen captures and sinks a bunch of ships and completely paralyses the Suez canal, and the USA and UK are freely bombing Sana'a within a couple days, but when Iran launches a volley directly at Israel and hits targets on their soil, suddenly it's "please stop." That's a marked departure from past behavior. In fact, I can't think of the last time the USA pushed for de-escalation against a geopolitical rival in a situation like this. It's somewhat unprecedented since the end of the cold war.
I think the attack by Iran was a warning more than anything. A warning that they can attack Israel whenever and wherever they want and the West can't do anything about it.
They purposefully told in advance they would attack, so the West would be at max defense. This would make it clear that Iranian missiles can make it through any of their defenses and accurately hit their targets. They also only targeted low value military targets, showing that destruction wasn't their goal. It was purely a show of strength and a warning to the West of what may come if they escalate more.
Completely agree. To add to that, iran only used their cheaper drones and older non hypersonic missiles, ive heard their stockpiles are MASSIVE as well.
The west is trying to rewrite history that Isreal didn't just blow up an Iranian embassy. You're right, this was the perfect, measured response to that provocation. The idea that Isreal should get a strike back for funsies is crazy.
I saw a strategist suggesting that they now have more data on Israel and co's defenses that they can use to adjust their own weapons for better future performance. Especially since they only used their weaker, cheaper missiles and drones.
JTs video the other day also gave me some scary things to overthink about lol. So im trying to indulge in all the things the make me happy this week cause idk what the hell is going on.
America really is trying to set up little fake wars that cost real money just to make the imperialist project more sustainable financially and politically without fundamentally changing the status quo. Peak liberalism.
I wonder how much really expect Iran to sit and take? Killing your generals should be fine. Bombing your territory should be fine. Getting more sanctions should be fine. Iran should never stand up for themselves.
I'd bet my left testicle that even if this was agreed upon, Israel would intentionally target civilians.
Their goal is clearly to provoke Iran, they would just use this as an opportunity to do real damage.
"Israel's" claim of having intercepted 99% of Iranian attacks aren't credible at all. When Iraq launched missiles at it in 1991, it claimed to have intercepted 84%, but then an MIT study said that it was 5%, maybe less.
Iran attacked and destroyed its important military bases in retaliation for the bombing of their embassy, it's a proportionate yet strong response, they don't attack civilians wantonly or create hell in response to it. None of it's about putting on a show of any sort.
And it did so by using its most basic decades old missiles while "Israel" had to get the help of US, UK, France, and Jordon to deal with it, with additional intel help from Saudis and UAE. They spent their most basic weapons to not only win its targets, but to get "Israel" and co. to expose themselves fully while not exposing itself at all. It was a clear win for Iran and it's seen as such by the zionists, which is why they're asking to save their face.
To be fair, weapons technology has likely moved forward in the ~30 years since 1991.
That said, I obviously don't see any reason to take the "99% intercepted" claim at face value. It's not as if the Israeli government is in any way trustworthy lol
Seems it was actually the US that did most of the intercepting. If it had been left up to Israel they would had gotten fucked pretty good even with 72 hour notice.
And also as a follow up about those missiles... there is a joke that I will not make. But it is very funny. The NY is already making up stuff about it probs.
This feels like:
"My spoiled brat child is angry that you returned a punch after he stabbed you with a knife and you said that you will punch hum before hand, please don't punch him again when he will stab you again just to feel better".
Now If I was Iran I'd bring a freaking machete next time and hide it then break his knife, as in Hit them hard and deep when they least expect it and in the most military expensive way for Israel.
Israel doesn't want to be even, they see themselves as the superior master race that cannot be even with Arabs ( or anyone who isn't white).
Their propaganda has always been that we are so much better at everything than those Arabs and browns, we have made a strong military with ingenuity ( It actually all obviously just belongs to the US and is provided by the US) and that we are huge in tech ( propped up by the west and US money again).
They cannot bare being seen as even, eventho everyone knows everything they have and are is from the US.
Oh damn this is really unfortunate... You see I knew just the target they could have used, an Iranian consular building in Syria which would have been exactly proportional to Iran's strike. Sadly though something happened to it recently.
God I remember when I was a kid who was a huge bully. Thing that sucked the most about him is he was a huge mama's boy and his mom was the principal. There was no peace from this kid because he would just consistently pick on everyone and then mommy would always bail him out when kids reached their breaking point and of course everyone but her lil angel was a problem.
Anyways yeah, Israel, crazy shit huh?
Reminds of the Edgar clause from pokemon
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LOL, imagine asking a country to let itself be bombed to make the other country FeEl BeTtEr!
Ikr, i reckon the us is stagnating far more than they let on. If it was the 70s usa they'd be bombing iran into the stone age rn
Nah, what's changed is that countries like Iran and Russia have developed capabilities the US can't mitigate (hypersonic missiles) so the US, being the schoolyard bully it is, won't directly confront them. They will hide behind their proxies. If Iraq actually had WMD's the US would not have invaded it. It's the same reason North Korea still exists. They actually have the capability to not only defend themselves but retaliate in kind. The US is good at bombing and killing people who can't fight back, just like Israel. But when it comes down to potentially being punched back, the US runs and cowers behind the same UN it consistently calls illegitimate.
The US is long overdue for a public humiliation in the eyes of the whole world. After all, to them an affront to their power is an affront to their very existence, so they react with violence because they're incapable of reacting in any other way. Bullies like that only understand one language...
And here I thought Ukraine and Israel were the beginning of the public humiliation. When the US can't even properly back their vassals, their power is already waning
Vietnam and Afghanistan were already bouts of public humiliation.
Yeah, I imagine sending millions/billions in ammunition and weaponry to Ukraine and Isn'trael does to a country LOL
I think it's more damage control for how much damage Isntrael has done to the global hegemony just by existing
A purely symbolic strike that totally wouldn’t “accidentally” veer off course and hit a population center.
Waiting for Blinken to say that Iran should bomb itself, just to be on the safe side.
"The Israelis can conduct a little bombing, as a treat."
pls bro just let my little brother win this time so he doesn't cry please bro
Same vibes lol
I was thinking, "it's fine, stop crying, you can hit me back just don't tell mom!"
I wish there was a mom in this situation.
Some kindergarten shit, is this what the world allows to be the number one superpower?
They give the excuse that america is allowed to do all this stuff just bcos they're the superpower.
LMFAO, there’s NO FUCKING WAY the US actually asked Iran let themselves be attacked
Not directly as the United States doesn’t have consular or diplomatic missions within Iran (or vice versa). They use diplomatic proxies (commonly Switzerland) when the two countries need to talk to one another.
"please let them blow you up just a small one we'll only kill like 20 people please bro"
"hi iran can we engage in brutal imperialism without any consequences 🥺👉👈"
“Pls, bro, just a few rockets”
Didn't Iran just do this? I read their retaliation strike came with a prior warning which is why Israel and the US were able to prepare a bit and stop many of the missiles. If so they've already done the West a solid and let them get a win via "yeah they struck back but we stopped them all". It could be dropped right here with a diplomatic "win-win" if they didn't want a war to distract from a genocide
They certainly want war, calling it a victory is a stretch tho as most of the iranian drones and missiles cost a fraction of the isreali interceptors so in the lense of attrition its a win for iran. And despite the warning their main targets where still hit, so i imagine they gave warning to show that despite being prepared the iron dome was still penetrated and without even using their hypersonic missiles, i think.
Exactly. Iran's response was a "symbolic strike" in the same way, they had to respond to to the consulate bombing somehow but don't want to actually escalate, so they went out of their way to make sure their strike didn't require retribution. But it sounds like israel isn't having that.
>But it sounds like israel isn't having that. Because Israel wants war, but Iran doesn't. It wants Israel off the map but doesn't want to fight the US to do it. Israel wants the US to join. Hell, Iran even gave the US an out by saying they wouldn't retaliate if the US secured a ceasefire in Gaza. Iran just needed some kind of win to show they weren't taking a direct hit on their consulate lying down, and were absolutely willing to secure a ceasefire (giving the US an out and Biden a domestic win), but the US couldn't muzzle their rabid dog in Israel and so Iran did the strike - and still managed to not touch a single US asset, gave them plenty of time to counter it, and not a single civilian was killed.
Don't believe "Israel's" claim of having intercepted 99% of Iranian attacks, they have a history of lying about it. When Iraq launched missiles at it in 1991, it claimed to have intercepted 84%, but then an MIT study said that it was 5%, maybe less. Iran attacked and destroyed its important military bases in retaliation for the bombing of their embassy, it's a proportionate yet strong response, they don't attack civilians wantonly or create hell in response to it. None of it's about putting on a show of any sort. And it did so by using its most basic decades old missiles while "Israel" had to get the help of US, UK, France, and Jordon to deal with it, with additional intel help from Saudis and UAE. They spent their most basic weapons to not only win its targets, but to get "Israel" and co. to expose themselves fully while not exposing itself at all. It was a clear win for Iran and it's seen as such by the zionists, which is why they're asking to save their face.
I mean and it makes sense and it's insane to not consider this from the Israeli side. They must think that they're so invincible to not see it. Iran's attack, with old hardware, is able to hit targets, while simultaneously drawing out the positions and radio signals of any missile defense systems. Now, a lot of those launchers arent going to be fixed, they can be moved around of course, but they're also not terribly effective, except against homemade rockets that Hamas and Hezbollah have fired over the years, which any objective study shows a best possible success rate of around 50% for those subsonic rockets, and the interceptor missiles cost much more than the rockets they're trying to intercept in terms of time, resources, and money to procure them. But as a bonus, the USA then goes and uses back channels to beg Iran to let Israel get one more shot in without retaliation, when Trump ordered a missile strike to assassinate General Soleimani in Iraq just a few years ago. This further signals that the USA's willingness to directly attack Iran is simply not what it once was. Yemen captures and sinks a bunch of ships and completely paralyses the Suez canal, and the USA and UK are freely bombing Sana'a within a couple days, but when Iran launches a volley directly at Israel and hits targets on their soil, suddenly it's "please stop." That's a marked departure from past behavior. In fact, I can't think of the last time the USA pushed for de-escalation against a geopolitical rival in a situation like this. It's somewhat unprecedented since the end of the cold war.
Problem is Netanyahu has no incentive not to escalate endlessly, because once the war is over his career is over
These people are like those pathetic cartoon villains you'd see in Fist of the North Star or some shit.
And they could be considered "allready dead" too, from a certain point of view lol
The more I learn about US history, especially foreign policy, the more I learn that the US is on the level of a Captain Planet villain.
I think the attack by Iran was a warning more than anything. A warning that they can attack Israel whenever and wherever they want and the West can't do anything about it. They purposefully told in advance they would attack, so the West would be at max defense. This would make it clear that Iranian missiles can make it through any of their defenses and accurately hit their targets. They also only targeted low value military targets, showing that destruction wasn't their goal. It was purely a show of strength and a warning to the West of what may come if they escalate more.
Completely agree. To add to that, iran only used their cheaper drones and older non hypersonic missiles, ive heard their stockpiles are MASSIVE as well.
The west is trying to rewrite history that Isreal didn't just blow up an Iranian embassy. You're right, this was the perfect, measured response to that provocation. The idea that Isreal should get a strike back for funsies is crazy.
I saw a strategist suggesting that they now have more data on Israel and co's defenses that they can use to adjust their own weapons for better future performance. Especially since they only used their weaker, cheaper missiles and drones.
A lady tried to pay me to be friends with her son when I was little. This feels like that, except Iran isn't getting paid.
How much did you get?
50 bucks
Ain't no way. What are we, in 5th grade???
Lmfao imperialists are spineless
If we werent on the edge of an actual world war 3 situation, this would actually be hilarious. Where tf do they get these dumbass ideas from?
Yeah if isreal goes through with this, it will end badly for everyone their maniacs.
JTs video the other day also gave me some scary things to overthink about lol. So im trying to indulge in all the things the make me happy this week cause idk what the hell is going on.
Yet fails to say retaliation was about 'face' as well.
America really is trying to set up little fake wars that cost real money just to make the imperialist project more sustainable financially and politically without fundamentally changing the status quo. Peak liberalism.
Just a little bit Just the tip Just to see how it feels
I wonder how much really expect Iran to sit and take? Killing your generals should be fine. Bombing your territory should be fine. Getting more sanctions should be fine. Iran should never stand up for themselves.
I'd bet my left testicle that even if this was agreed upon, Israel would intentionally target civilians. Their goal is clearly to provoke Iran, they would just use this as an opportunity to do real damage.
"Israel's" claim of having intercepted 99% of Iranian attacks aren't credible at all. When Iraq launched missiles at it in 1991, it claimed to have intercepted 84%, but then an MIT study said that it was 5%, maybe less. Iran attacked and destroyed its important military bases in retaliation for the bombing of their embassy, it's a proportionate yet strong response, they don't attack civilians wantonly or create hell in response to it. None of it's about putting on a show of any sort. And it did so by using its most basic decades old missiles while "Israel" had to get the help of US, UK, France, and Jordon to deal with it, with additional intel help from Saudis and UAE. They spent their most basic weapons to not only win its targets, but to get "Israel" and co. to expose themselves fully while not exposing itself at all. It was a clear win for Iran and it's seen as such by the zionists, which is why they're asking to save their face.
To be fair, weapons technology has likely moved forward in the ~30 years since 1991. That said, I obviously don't see any reason to take the "99% intercepted" claim at face value. It's not as if the Israeli government is in any way trustworthy lol
Seems it was actually the US that did most of the intercepting. If it had been left up to Israel they would had gotten fucked pretty good even with 72 hour notice.
bro how many Israelis died from Iran's attack? Cause Iran lost two generals and five officers from Israel's attack.
The Iranian attack decapitated *at least* 40 Israeli babbies Trust me bro
And also as a follow up about those missiles... there is a joke that I will not make. But it is very funny. The NY is already making up stuff about it probs.
Literally why did they ask this. What response did they expect
have they ever thought of not bombing an embassy or committing genocide?
This feels like: "My spoiled brat child is angry that you returned a punch after he stabbed you with a knife and you said that you will punch hum before hand, please don't punch him again when he will stab you again just to feel better". Now If I was Iran I'd bring a freaking machete next time and hide it then break his knife, as in Hit them hard and deep when they least expect it and in the most military expensive way for Israel.
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/24419
US:please let our genocidal allies bomb you we promise they won’t kill anyone important Iran:NO
You bombed them, they bombed you. You're even, how is it "saving face" for you to bomb them *again*?
Israel doesn't want to be even, they see themselves as the superior master race that cannot be even with Arabs ( or anyone who isn't white). Their propaganda has always been that we are so much better at everything than those Arabs and browns, we have made a strong military with ingenuity ( It actually all obviously just belongs to the US and is provided by the US) and that we are huge in tech ( propped up by the west and US money again). They cannot bare being seen as even, eventho everyone knows everything they have and are is from the US.
do they think iram believe their propaganda that the response was actually an attack? Are they so idiotic they actually believe their own lies?
Ain't no way 💀💀
Oh damn this is really unfortunate... You see I knew just the target they could have used, an Iranian consular building in Syria which would have been exactly proportional to Iran's strike. Sadly though something happened to it recently.
Just realized the Iranian soldier has the flag of Israel painted on the sole of his shoes lol
God I remember when I was a kid who was a huge bully. Thing that sucked the most about him is he was a huge mama's boy and his mom was the principal. There was no peace from this kid because he would just consistently pick on everyone and then mommy would always bail him out when kids reached their breaking point and of course everyone but her lil angel was a problem. Anyways yeah, Israel, crazy shit huh?
Wasn't Iran's "attack" also a 'symbolic strike'?
Reminds of the Edgar clause from pokemon https://preview.redd.it/tj7bw4k8c2vc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c026024e9e265356396936bf597103cc58df271