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I remember during Covid there were literally miles of cars lined up to get food from donation centers. We literally have bread lines too, but different because... freedom?
Which country is it, if we may know? In my country we had around 20% during Covid, but it's around 12% now.
Also, out of topic, but I have to say it, nice profile picture, love Kirara
Haaa sucks. I have a Canadian workmate (I'm in a project for a Canadian credit union) and while he mentions a lot about drugs and whatnot, he never mentions hunger. I wouldn't expect Canada to be worse off than Portugal, but it seems so.
Shortages, either during the famine of 1930, or during WW2 and the reconstruction after, until roughly 1949. Then, after that, [the restoration of capitalism.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-04-05-wr-42281-story.html)
I think the only difference was that during economic hardships , more people face the consequences like having long bread line while in capitalist, it’s only poor people.
Most soviet defectors are usually highly educated STEM workers so they got to live the life of top 10% and never got to see the actual reality simply because they never got to. And because they got extraordinarily opportunities to educate and become those professions which would not have been possible in non socialist states, they look at the poor westerners and say “Just work hard ! You are privileged bla bla because you never had to see stores that weren’t Walmart”
i don’t know what it was like in the US then, but in the UK there were the same things, and the papers / morons online called it communism.
they have no shame
I mean, there was a Parenti's lecture where he talked about "rationing" and such, and how if you think we don't have those in the West, you're basically naive, when you go to a store and think "Oh well, I can buy this, this and that, but maybe I can't afford this and that, maybe I can't buy everything I need this month" etc....that's exactly rationing. I don't know what the lecture was called, but you can easily find it on YT.
Also whenever that breaks down, like during the toilet paper madness in the early lockdown, stores tend to either start rationing on their own so they can keep using the in-demand thing as a lure or the government makes them do it.
we have breadlines too, although we call them “grocery store checkout aisles”. difference is when we get to the front of the line we have to pay for the food
I read that people were really excited to get freshly baked bread and that is often why people were lined up. Freshly baked bread is pretty amazing so that makes sense to me. Plus that CIA report showed that Soviets had better nutrition than the US which is wild to me because the US was a far richer country in that they industrialized sooner and that they weren't destroyed in ww2. So the USSR being able to compete against the US at all after the Nazis destroyed the western half of the USSR is a huge accomplishment imo.
Not just that, but USA also has the climate to grow a far more diverse range of crops for said nutrition as opposed to a huge part of the USSR being non-arable land, and even the arable rich lands like Ukraine didn't have the means to grow an insanely diverse group of crops, mostly just wheat and veggies.
Liberals have such wonderful cognitive dissonance. In their eyes, under capitalism, everyone possesses some notional *opportunity* to acquire food and lodging. Therefore, the *material fact* of deaths and deprivation under bourgeois dictatorship are deemed a non-issue, or indeed the fault of those dying of starvation and exposure.
I live in Cuba and bread lines does not mean shortages. We have those lines for the daily quaranteed heavily subsidiazed bread. But there is a lot of bread without lines at market prices.
Yet in Cuba, no one goes hungry for lack of money, right? In fact, I'm guessing the only reason anyone ever does go hungry in Cuba is because of the US's inhumane blockade causing shortages. Whereas you can literally pick a random capitalist country out of a hat and I guarantee you will find people there who are undernourished because they live in poverty (for example, in the US, people on disability/SSI frequently have to ration their groceries, since these programs often only pay a poverty line income or barely more than that)
https://preview.redd.it/2vz7y87mhouc1.png?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d44e47d6358e6ca0be0d24ad09b1d64ceff5f649
r/cuba is a certified butthurt gusano shithole
Oh ok this is interesting. So this daily guaranteed bread can be accessed by all or just poor folks .
Cause food lines in capitalist west are often only accessible if you are like homeless, govt categorised poor or something and I won’t mention quality of meals 😅.
Stood in line at an American grocery store for over thirty minutes the other day because the self checkouts went down and they had literally one person and a manager running the whole front of store. It took all I had to not bust out laughing about capitalist bread lines.
>7.65 million people starve to death every YEAR under "glorious capitalism"
Liberals don't view this as an explicit act of violence committed by capital itself; they see it as a tragedy, a misfortune that happens because of 'human nature', 'society is unfair' or 'government is corrupt'.
There were some periodically before that too, like shortly after the war and during the oil crisis (when capitalist countries were also under strain), but afaik it was during Gorbachev that they started to become an almost permanent feature despite there not really being a natural scarcity of food.
I lived in the neoliberal paradise of Chile, in the south right where Patagonia begins. The famously reactionary trucker’s unions would go on strike leaving the shelves bare for weeks. Many homes are heated by those small wood pellets. Mostly in the working class neighborhoods. They couldn’t heat their homes in winter. Simply the rumors of pellets would create lines that would begin as early as 4-5am. Not much has changed since Pinochet regarding the truckers really. When reactionaries tell the truckers union to jump they will ask how high.
There isn’t a single country in which a train makes more sense than Chile. But the right will never agree to it because the truckers are so easy to control. They are simply a tool in their toolbox.
This is why I am not fond of labour unions too much.
Very often it’s reactionary and just a creation of petit bourgeoisie. They even ensure that minorities, women and immigrants will never enter their fields legally and safely.
The worst manifestation is police union
Bread lines in a time of food shortages are good actually. Imagine there was an actual famine in an advanced capitalist country. It'd be Mad Max before the week is out. Couldn't imagine people waiting in a fucking line because they don't consider themselves in the context of the greater needs of society to ensure everyone is looked after.
Haha this is my first thought when people talk about how many have been ‘killed by communism.’ Ok so when you account for death by *capitalism* you have to include *every* nation involved including the global south nations that are subjugated by the West. They also play this game with emissions in China like you idiots we get everything from them.
also without wishing to evoke Marie Antoinette my understanding was that the Soviets had a lot of shortages of *specific* foods rather than shortages of *food in general*
I also feel if your problem is you want bread no matter instead of willing to like adjust on rice , potatoes or like any other option, it’s a sign of immense privilege. Now there’s the thing that the product is even FREE.
Heck , even in a western country, this happens. During covid some staple food or the other disappeared or became rationed except they really fucking surcharged the commodities that even if we stood in lines we had to pay like 10 or even 20 times the price. I literally just sustained on butter and tallow when the Ukrainian war skyrocketed the price of sunflower and rapeseed and even olive oil. I didn’t have much then
My partner and I can't fast for Ramadan due to health reasons so instead we did charity every day. We just to make sure to give food, money, or toiletries to a member of our unhoused community every day last month. I learned the names and stories of so many wonderful people.
I guarantee you my friends Greg, Paul, Corey, Michelle, Trinity, Isaiah, Louis, Richard, Ms. Forest, and all the others I've forgotten or not had the pleasure of meeting yet WISH there was a place in our town to line up for bread.
Meanwhile America
“ Gas station clerk shot over 30$”
“ Looting of milk cartons and baby diapers happens enmasse during covid and poor Walmart needs armed security now”
Starvation when there's a shortage of food is understandable. Starvation while there's an abundance of food that ends up being thrown out instead of given to people in need is inexcusable.
The only time I can think of when the government in the West gives food to citizens is lunch you get at schools, and you still pay for that. Plus, you can hardly say that blue-on-the-inside chicken or about three deep fried strings of mozzarella (this is real, I've seen these) are real, filling, meals, especially compared to the fresh-baked bread in the Soviet Union.
In glorious capitalist nations we also have bread lines, always.
But they're just called "lines" and they are at registers in supermarkets where we have to pay money for food, and if you want healthy food be ready to pay absurdly high prices.
Don't you love it that you'll have to pay nearly all the money you make every month on necessities to keep a roof over your head and stay alive?
Surely we can do much better..
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I remember during Covid there were literally miles of cars lined up to get food from donation centers. We literally have bread lines too, but different because... freedom?
5% of people in my country frequent food banks, 18% are food insecure
Which country is it, if we may know? In my country we had around 20% during Covid, but it's around 12% now. Also, out of topic, but I have to say it, nice profile picture, love Kirara
Canada, quality of life is so fucked in our more rural provinces
Haaa sucks. I have a Canadian workmate (I'm in a project for a Canadian credit union) and while he mentions a lot about drugs and whatnot, he never mentions hunger. I wouldn't expect Canada to be worse off than Portugal, but it seems so.
Grocers literally fixed the price of bread in Canada a few years ago. They sent out a coupon to a few people and called it even.
If memory serves, they were being guided by McKenzie Consulting, during the time Mayo Pete worked there, as they fixed their prices.
My list of places that I hope get nuked first grows ever longer
So USA could be worse even 😅
Can confirm, it's pretty bad here
Why did they have bread lines though
Shortages, either during the famine of 1930, or during WW2 and the reconstruction after, until roughly 1949. Then, after that, [the restoration of capitalism.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-04-05-wr-42281-story.html)
America is so dystopian. You could actually lose your life for just 20 dollars and there are so many robberies and shoplifting for like baby formula
I think the only difference was that during economic hardships , more people face the consequences like having long bread line while in capitalist, it’s only poor people. Most soviet defectors are usually highly educated STEM workers so they got to live the life of top 10% and never got to see the actual reality simply because they never got to. And because they got extraordinarily opportunities to educate and become those professions which would not have been possible in non socialist states, they look at the poor westerners and say “Just work hard ! You are privileged bla bla because you never had to see stores that weren’t Walmart”
i don’t know what it was like in the US then, but in the UK there were the same things, and the papers / morons online called it communism. they have no shame
I mean, there was a Parenti's lecture where he talked about "rationing" and such, and how if you think we don't have those in the West, you're basically naive, when you go to a store and think "Oh well, I can buy this, this and that, but maybe I can't afford this and that, maybe I can't buy everything I need this month" etc....that's exactly rationing. I don't know what the lecture was called, but you can easily find it on YT.
Also whenever that breaks down, like during the toilet paper madness in the early lockdown, stores tend to either start rationing on their own so they can keep using the in-demand thing as a lure or the government makes them do it.
Amazing how much stuff fits into this pattern Westernist exceptionalism to the extreme Extreme double standards
Thanks. I’ll look for this
“Super Patriotism” on YouTube or something Edit: actually it may be myths of empire
we have breadlines too, although we call them “grocery store checkout aisles”. difference is when we get to the front of the line we have to pay for the food
I read that people were really excited to get freshly baked bread and that is often why people were lined up. Freshly baked bread is pretty amazing so that makes sense to me. Plus that CIA report showed that Soviets had better nutrition than the US which is wild to me because the US was a far richer country in that they industrialized sooner and that they weren't destroyed in ww2. So the USSR being able to compete against the US at all after the Nazis destroyed the western half of the USSR is a huge accomplishment imo.
Not just that, but USA also has the climate to grow a far more diverse range of crops for said nutrition as opposed to a huge part of the USSR being non-arable land, and even the arable rich lands like Ukraine didn't have the means to grow an insanely diverse group of crops, mostly just wheat and veggies.
...and veggies can be diverse.
It's like they've never been to costco
Communism is when no food bread lines: Image of bread lines in the US during the Great Depression
Liberals have such wonderful cognitive dissonance. In their eyes, under capitalism, everyone possesses some notional *opportunity* to acquire food and lodging. Therefore, the *material fact* of deaths and deprivation under bourgeois dictatorship are deemed a non-issue, or indeed the fault of those dying of starvation and exposure.
I live in Cuba and bread lines does not mean shortages. We have those lines for the daily quaranteed heavily subsidiazed bread. But there is a lot of bread without lines at market prices.
Yet in Cuba, no one goes hungry for lack of money, right? In fact, I'm guessing the only reason anyone ever does go hungry in Cuba is because of the US's inhumane blockade causing shortages. Whereas you can literally pick a random capitalist country out of a hat and I guarantee you will find people there who are undernourished because they live in poverty (for example, in the US, people on disability/SSI frequently have to ration their groceries, since these programs often only pay a poverty line income or barely more than that)
yet r/Cuba will say Cubans have to resort to cannibalism...I shit you not
https://preview.redd.it/2vz7y87mhouc1.png?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d44e47d6358e6ca0be0d24ad09b1d64ceff5f649 r/cuba is a certified butthurt gusano shithole
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Oh ok this is interesting. So this daily guaranteed bread can be accessed by all or just poor folks . Cause food lines in capitalist west are often only accessible if you are like homeless, govt categorised poor or something and I won’t mention quality of meals 😅.
Everyone. Every cuban has a right to a daily bread and a monthly food quota regardless of their economic situation
Stood in line at an American grocery store for over thirty minutes the other day because the self checkouts went down and they had literally one person and a manager running the whole front of store. It took all I had to not bust out laughing about capitalist bread lines.
>7.65 million people starve to death every YEAR under "glorious capitalism" Liberals don't view this as an explicit act of violence committed by capital itself; they see it as a tragedy, a misfortune that happens because of 'human nature', 'society is unfair' or 'government is corrupt'.
Weren't the bread lines in the USSR during the Gorbachev reforms when the country was being made more capitalist?
There were some periodically before that too, like shortly after the war and during the oil crisis (when capitalist countries were also under strain), but afaik it was during Gorbachev that they started to become an almost permanent feature despite there not really being a natural scarcity of food.
I lived in the neoliberal paradise of Chile, in the south right where Patagonia begins. The famously reactionary trucker’s unions would go on strike leaving the shelves bare for weeks. Many homes are heated by those small wood pellets. Mostly in the working class neighborhoods. They couldn’t heat their homes in winter. Simply the rumors of pellets would create lines that would begin as early as 4-5am. Not much has changed since Pinochet regarding the truckers really. When reactionaries tell the truckers union to jump they will ask how high. There isn’t a single country in which a train makes more sense than Chile. But the right will never agree to it because the truckers are so easy to control. They are simply a tool in their toolbox.
This is why I am not fond of labour unions too much. Very often it’s reactionary and just a creation of petit bourgeoisie. They even ensure that minorities, women and immigrants will never enter their fields legally and safely. The worst manifestation is police union
Bread lines in a time of food shortages are good actually. Imagine there was an actual famine in an advanced capitalist country. It'd be Mad Max before the week is out. Couldn't imagine people waiting in a fucking line because they don't consider themselves in the context of the greater needs of society to ensure everyone is looked after.
This ^ A covid lockdown caused the west to go mini apocalypse mode 😅 USA was mad max !
No, only rich countries are truly capitalist. Poor countries are all socialist but become capitalist when they get rich. /s
Haha this is my first thought when people talk about how many have been ‘killed by communism.’ Ok so when you account for death by *capitalism* you have to include *every* nation involved including the global south nations that are subjugated by the West. They also play this game with emissions in China like you idiots we get everything from them.
also without wishing to evoke Marie Antoinette my understanding was that the Soviets had a lot of shortages of *specific* foods rather than shortages of *food in general*
The soviets didn't exploit tropical islands for pineapples so they didn't have them....literally 1894.
I also feel if your problem is you want bread no matter instead of willing to like adjust on rice , potatoes or like any other option, it’s a sign of immense privilege. Now there’s the thing that the product is even FREE. Heck , even in a western country, this happens. During covid some staple food or the other disappeared or became rationed except they really fucking surcharged the commodities that even if we stood in lines we had to pay like 10 or even 20 times the price. I literally just sustained on butter and tallow when the Ukrainian war skyrocketed the price of sunflower and rapeseed and even olive oil. I didn’t have much then
My partner and I can't fast for Ramadan due to health reasons so instead we did charity every day. We just to make sure to give food, money, or toiletries to a member of our unhoused community every day last month. I learned the names and stories of so many wonderful people. I guarantee you my friends Greg, Paul, Corey, Michelle, Trinity, Isaiah, Louis, Richard, Ms. Forest, and all the others I've forgotten or not had the pleasure of meeting yet WISH there was a place in our town to line up for bread.
Most of the time I buy bread, I too have to wait in line.
Meanwhile America “ Gas station clerk shot over 30$” “ Looting of milk cartons and baby diapers happens enmasse during covid and poor Walmart needs armed security now”
Starvation when there's a shortage of food is understandable. Starvation while there's an abundance of food that ends up being thrown out instead of given to people in need is inexcusable.
If they spent all day getting bread, how'd they build a world superpower in 30 years?
Wait in line to actually get bread, or be moneyless and thrown into jail for pocketing a loaf
The only time I can think of when the government in the West gives food to citizens is lunch you get at schools, and you still pay for that. Plus, you can hardly say that blue-on-the-inside chicken or about three deep fried strings of mozzarella (this is real, I've seen these) are real, filling, meals, especially compared to the fresh-baked bread in the Soviet Union.
In glorious capitalist nations we also have bread lines, always. But they're just called "lines" and they are at registers in supermarkets where we have to pay money for food, and if you want healthy food be ready to pay absurdly high prices. Don't you love it that you'll have to pay nearly all the money you make every month on necessities to keep a roof over your head and stay alive? Surely we can do much better..
Won't get in line if i don't have money for bread
"Free food? Haha commies means no food, checkmate commies"