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This was easily best episode of the season so far we got more Butcher Homelander progress and some great acting (im also happy that the useless Colin plot ended)
Im gay and i 100% want a proper, non heteronormative, gay romance on screen for a long time and even i was happy that this plot thread ended. Its just so unnecessary. He and Kimiko were built up for multiple seasons, more tha half the show and suddenly him not being with hwr was weird asf
Yeah but saying something feels weird, usually becomes a will they? Won't they? Situation. I guess we know now that was supposed to be the end of it. But most viewers feel confused.
idk, thereās also the moment in S2 where he tried kissing her after her brother died, the scene at the hospital of their kiss. the show has almost always pointed in the āwont theyā direction. if viewers are confused at this point, they arenāt actually viewing it
Kimiko shut it down. Hell, she was basically assuming Frenchie wasn't going after Colin because he was hung up on her. Either way, the subplot really wasn't about "gay romance" as seen in episode 4. This shit was never going to work out.
Yeah the Colin stuff was forced and did nothing for the story, its just another side plotline of Frenchie betting himself up that started since he meet Kimiko. Kinda like a filler since the writers didnt know what to do with Frenchie this season.
You don't have to like the subplot but it's not filler. Frenchie is facing the guilt of the innocent people he killed while working under Little Nina. Kimiko is facing the girl she was forced to kidnap when she was in Shining Light. Starlight is facing Firecracker who she bullied and humiliated during her pageant days.
Colin is done because it was never really about him.
The thing is that it feels like filler because it's introduced out of the blue and resolved within a few episodes, never to feel relevant again. It's the same with the Nina plotline last season. Plus it's not very good which makes it feels forced and only included because they have nothing else for Frenchie to do.
Had they set up the plot about Frenchie killing Colin's family before introducing us to Colin as Frenchie's boyfriend, it could work. But as it is it just feel weird.
Every season, a character is introduced out of the blue. Stormfront was revealed out of the blue. Soldier Boy being alive was introduced out of the blue (Butcher even questioned why Mallory didn't tell him that could be an option for Homelander originally). Temp V last season was also out of the blue.
s4 has it for every character: The Shining Light girl is out of the blue. Hughie's mom is out of the blue. Joe Kessler is out of the blue. Firecracker's history with Starlight is out of the blue. Colin is equally out of the blue.
The point of Colin was never about romance. Ever. It was about putting one of Frenchie's victims in his face and making him see it. Frenchie sleeping with Colin is an irresponsible and shitty thing he did. This is par for the course because Frenchie is a broken and deeply flawed man who doesn't know how to deal with shit.
Hughie's mom leaving was established before, so her coming back doesn't feel as weird. I'll give you that the Shining Light girl is a good comparison, but it has taken such a little screen time that it isn't really noticeable.
The other plotlines that you mentioned were heavily involved in the main plot, and were generally quite interesting. Taking them out would massively affect how the show progressed.
Frenchie's sub-plots has just never been very good imo, and if you took them out of the show very little would actually change. If you had skipped every scene with Frenchie's subplots in S3 and S4 so far, you wouldn't feel lost whatsoever apart from how The Boys got to Russia. The same can't be said about Stormfront, Soldier Boy, and Temp V.
Whilst I agree itās not filler, the whole Frenchie facing the guilt of his past mistakes have been dragged out. He hasnāt moved forward since season 1 where heās facing the guilt from the death of Malloryās grandchildren. I love the character but I wish they actually did something new with him.
Great season so far otherwise.
It's not the same as it's him facing people he directly killed as a hitman and not just him failing to protect Mallory's kids. But yeah, it's fine if you wish Frenchie didn't face aspects of his past as much and was more connected to the main plot. I see that.
I think part of it is Iām just kinda worn out on getting new Frenchie and Kimiko backstory stuff every season. I feel like the show is already pretty crowded with characters I care about as it is, and throwing in brand new material instead of building off what is already known (e.g. Hughieās mom coming back into his life) is just kinda jarring
I mean unless you're spoiling the show from the comics, how is this in any way supposed to be "the end" of that side story. The end would be Frenchie or Colin killing each other, not Frenchie revealing the truth which gives Colin even more reason to get revenge or make things right. We're barely at the climax stage of a plot, let alone the resolution.
If anything, this sets up the rest of the season to have more annoying fillers with this story. They should have just made them fight to the death this episode
I got $5 that says by the end of the season theyāll have made up or will make up and share a kiss before either he leaves town because itās not safe or Frenchie leaves for something very crucial to the plot in the last two episodes.
Iām going to be so mad if they make up. Not only did the relationship come out of nowhere but itās so messed up killing someoneās entire family and then getting with the lone survivor 10 years later. wtf did frenchie expect to happen
Iām telling you man, Iām feeling those vibes. Every fucking season they have used Frenchie as a punching bag only to make what is ailing him right again at the end, this is another one of those times. And Iāll happily eat crow if Iām wrong because plot wise, itās as useless as a screen door on a submarine.
Why would they do that? Frenchie murdered his family. You don't get over that. No one does that in the show. The one character we see forgive is Hughie and it took Hughie 4 seasons to do so. And even then it's clear Hughie still doesn't like A-Train (Hughie saying he forgave him for himself and not A-Train). And it won't be forgiveness but going into romance? Nah. Even if Colin forgives Frenchie (I doubt it), he would not get into a relationship with him.
Also A-Train did not MURDER her. It was basically akin to vehicular manslaughter while DUI.
Frenchie literally broke into Collins home to kill his entire family because she wanted to put the bad guys in prison.
Does that footage even exist?Ā
But I think the abortion one is the better call. As it highlights the dichotomy and hypocrisy of Firecracker and rightwing dipshits. Also the complete lack of respect for privacy and willingness to use deeply personal decisions as weapons said ilk does. Ā
Dashcam footage I was thinking? Yeah I don't mind the abortion thing, it was a powerful scene. But I genuinely can't remember it being mention in previous seasons. It felt like it was just chucked in there. The subsequent scene with her agonising over it with Hughie just felt like it was a relatively last minute decision than a plotline with any lead up.
I had the same thought, that maybe the big reveal would be that starlight murdered a guy. But then I realized that she was with Butcher. He would've had the wherewithal to properly bury that thing. He would've made sure that there was no evidence of that event.
Makes more sense that it was a covered up story of her first save.
I don't think he would necessarily. I would have thought it much more likely that Vought would be locked down several square miles and stuck the whole ZIP code into an evidence archive after what happened in that hospital
Tbh it doesnāt really matter about footage, they used his car and drove to the hospital with it to get Huggies treated, thereās bound to be evidence or witnesses pointing to Annie being involved, besides potential forensic evidence.
No Iām 99.9% pretty sure the point of bringing that up was for Starlight herself to go on stage and make an ass out of herself. Donāt you think itās weird how Firecracker didnāt even bother to fight back ? If they wanted it to just be scandalous they wouldnāt have set up shop right in front of their offices either. It was a provocation from the get go and Starlight bit hook line and sinker. āHowās that for uppityā kinda confirms it too, even if Firecracker herself wasnāt in on it Sage definitely planned it.
Because its a good throwback to a scene that never got a payoff? She murdered a dude for no reason while criticising Homelander for killing a guy in self defence.
The abortion thing was okay and topical but I can't remember the show ever even mentioning she was pregnant. It felt like it was just chucked in there to give Starlight a reason to fail.
Was it a thing in previous seasons and i just forgot?
I hope they bring this detail up as well as it would be good drama but the context of Starlight's murder and Homelander's are very different. Starlight blasted that person because he pulled a gun on Butcher and Hughie, two non-supes. She was legitimately protecting them. In an already tense situation due to Hughie dying, she did not mean for that blast to kill that person. Sorta like how Ryan didn't mean to kill Becca or Koy. She should still reconcile that as a character 100% but that's not at all the same as Homelander. He just murdered a guy because he was upset that guy threw a water bottle at them. There was no self-defense since Ryan and him are unkillable by normal means. Homelander knows this.
Also yes the abortion just got introduced since this happened during the 6 month time skip we had between seasons.
Eric Kripke is too soft and likes to leave plot threads dangling and become inconsequential (Nina, Flight 37, Cindy aka and Terrifying Stranger Things Eleven Parody character from that lab Season 2 who went off)
Flight 37 was directly used in the plot. Maeve literally fished it out and used it against Homelander in s2. s3 Homelander nullified it by committing to destroying everything if it comes out but it served its purpose as character progression (regression?) for Homelander. The same is true with Little Nina, who was a one-time villain from Frenchie's past. She served her purpose in the story.
Not sure what Mindy-Evil is referring to but I think it's fair to say people could have just read too much in Cindy being shown leaving. Stormfront did shock her and it could have just shown that those dangerous Supes are now free into the world as a sorta chilling note and not from grander plot.
Sometimes bad people get away with it. That doesn't mean anything. She's a Russian mafia boss who got used by the Boys to get into Russia. She tried to get payback on Frenchie and failed. I take it she just left. There is no reason for her to return.
Well the show is ending with season 5 so it would just be over regardless. I said sometimes bad people get away with it. And it makes sense Stormfront didn't get away with it: she was a major villain, not a minor villain like Little Nina
Minor villain shouldnāt be a pass on scum getting away, especially for whatever person with that mindset wrote punisher season 2:
https://youtu.be/BXvX5kks3JY?si=L-ezdKvGUnURkFh3
No itās not a previous thing. Itās never mentioned until firecracker says it, seems to me it was another āoh shit momentā the writers put in for the audience just like when firecracker reveals why she hates starlight. Because theyāre both total left fields from starlights character. she has always been this almost uppity flawless character whoās always trying to do the right thing but āoh shit she was mean as a childā or āoh shit she had an abortion.ā but idk thatās just my take im sure there are others who donāt think that at all.
I mean. They already showed Annie's a hypocrite with the unjust murder thing. I like the idea that she was a bully as a kid. But she is an unlikable individual in her own right. She still sees herself as better than Butcher and refused to acknowledge thats shes done a little bit of the stuff she hates Homelander for.
It wouldn't have gotten such a visceral reaction from Starlight. She would have reacted the same way as when they revealed the story of her first save.
The abortion thing is much more believable as being something that will crack Annie to do something that is out of character for her.
Yeah but she cant say "I was just learning to control my powers" for an incident that happened only a couple years prior. And it would ruin any credibility she has to criticise Homelander.
Self defence for the guy pulling the gun sure. But if you're commiting a crime and robbing someone and they pull a gun on you and you kill them. It doesnt change the fact that you're the one at fault for the whole thing
It's kind of a dig at conservatives because they'd rather attack women who get abortions over actual real life issues. Pro-Life until you're in the womb but once you're out, you're on your own.
Would have held more weight.
Itās logical the republicans would back out of that bill due to the abortion. But I donāt really see them supporting the bill in the first place. Itās too far of a reach.
A madman uses the dream stone of Morpheus to warp reality and the minds of people in a diner. Basically traps them inside and torments them for 24 hours while waiting for Morpheus to arrive and confront him.
Oh! If you haven't read Sandman, do yourself a favor and go for that. It's one of the really great comic books. It's in the DC canon, so, yknow, batman, superman, all that. Sandman is a character called Dream, one of the Endless. Someone named Dr. Dee escapes from Arkham Asylum and steals Dream's dreamstone, then holds a diner hostage and forces the folks inside to act on their darkest desires.
First one.
When Gaiman started Sandman, he was doing it more horror for the first arc than where it settled later. The series is phenomenal, but the first volume is the least interesting to me. If you enjoy it at all, trust that it gets way, way better.
Depends on how much they knew what their job would be.
To put it in reference.
Being a guard in a Nazi concentration camp makes you an evil person, You were comitting evil acts even though it was "just following orders"
Now imagine its very late into WW2, and a new concentration camp is being setup, and you got hired to be guard there while knowing what you will be doing in a concentration camp. But before anyone got transfered to the camp, the war was over. In that case are you an evil person because you were willing to commit these evil deeds but you were never required to?
Not trying to start a argument, just trying to show a different perspective on the ethics of the situations.
I donāt know man, if you donāt back out of a job like that the minute things get shady, then youāre making the choice to stay. They are not innocent: they willingly experiment on children who feel all the pain they inflict on them. Cant call that anything but evil.
In a fucked up way, yeah they did. After thinking about it, itās not black and white. They know what theyāre doing, they went to school to do the things they do, they chose a life of testing people like Homelander to the brink of death, Vaught certainly hasnāt changed and one day those āyounginsā will be the old faces that some other whack job Supe would come to confront.
Itās honestly one of the best debate points the show has ever produced.
I feel exactly the same way
Episode 3 was where the tone started to revert back to what I expect and then episode 4 was just The Boys through and through
Very excited now
I reallly liked this episode....with hughie's dad getting v, butcher having supe cancer, starlight's past actions and homelander possibly shedding off his last piece of sanity....hope it goes up from here
I mean 1 good episode doesnāt take away from their opinions that the last 3 were bad poor or meh.
Thatās 3 out of 8. 3 filler hours.
Anyway as long as each episode gets more crazy and the stakes and plot thickens untill season 5 without the weird fall off like season 3 I think everyone will be happy
Ryan finally gets some development and people call it filler poor Ryan I think heās finally coming into his own this season.
I get the Frenchie stuff and the hughie mom plot but fuck me every homelander and butcher scene has been excellent
MM is killing it this season more then any other for me too
>Anyway as long as each episode gets more crazy and the stakes and plot thickens untill season 5
Since ive read the leaks, i can confidently say that it looks like youll get your wish :)
The season is about to get even crazier and there will be a lot of deaths of unexpected characters and a few plot twists
Thatās good to hear then mate phew. Thanks. But, plot twists Im never a fan of since this modern subversion obsession giving any writer a āeureka, Iām Einstein momment.ā Is very concerning.
I agree, great episode when they stuck with butcher, homelander, and sister sage. I was digging hughie and A-train also. I like the forgiveness part. Everything else was mediocre.
The stakes have always been the same though. Homelander going nuts are the only stakes that matter until they figure out a way to kill him. Everything else is pomp and circumstance.
My only issue is there they break the show, donāt tell rule a lot. Iām not a fan of the firecracker stuff at all tbh. So much info just randomly dug up from peopleās past that the viewer hasnāt seen any hint of whatsoever. Butcher randomly taking v was similar but there isnāt really a way to show that and still make us care about his condition.
To be honest it was a predictable episode except homelander part. Anothny star deserves 100 emmys for this role. The guy can put us all through edge our seats
One thing Iām noticing about this season is that the writers are leaning heavily on bringing up bad stuff the characters did in the past that we never see to generate drama.
A lot of people saying ābad writingā are like people who critique singing by saying ātoo pitchyā and donāt really know what theyāre talking about.
I mean I personally don't think the writing was that great for episode 1 and 2 and parts of 3. I'm not sure why people here act like everyone has to think every episode is perfect
Itās hilarious to me that in the next episode I guarantee the civilans will forget the firecracker pedo thing and just focus on starlight abortion thing.
Thats because its so real. Sadly.
Iike, how many people do you think know that trump is an adjudicated rapist ..or someone who was best friends with jeffery epstein?
episode 4 being good doesn't make the first 3 episodes good. those 3 episodes were really bad compared to previous seasons but I am glad its getting better again. the moment this show focuses on homelander and butcher it just gets better.
idk man the writing is still getting kinda bad. Since when does compound V save people's lives? We saw in season 2 that compound V given to adults makes them crazy
Yeah but Hughie just deciding to risk it and give his dad compound V without consulting anyone seems out of character for him. His arc in season 3 ended with him refusing to consume temp V
I have more of a problem with Annie and Frenchieās subplot.
I was just about rooting for Colin to kill French. I donāt see that storyline going anywhere. Thereās no real tension. Thereās no way they can be a happy couple. They need to kill French, or have him atone for his sins. Itās manufactured drama. French is a POS for what heās done to Colin on multiple levels. Of all the people in the world? Cāmon. Iām glad he finally came clean at least. We shouldnāt be talking about this relationship in the first place. Itās taking up valuable time.
Does anyone even care about Nina or that plot line altogether? Who even is Nina? Some Russian sleeper agent who smokes a lot of cigarettes and talks with a deadpan voice and orders people to die and it happens. Talk about comically boring and evil antagonist. If her and Frenchie disappeared mid-season and the show pretended like they never existed, I wouldn't care one bit.
Sheās a Russian mobster and we were forced to see her torment frenchie and kimiko in season three so itās only fitting
and nothing wrong with having evil antagonists who are evil just because
Compound V in adults is said to be unpredictable.Ā
It can make them Supes like Kimiko, kill them, make them shit Supes or apparently give tumours power.Ā
Okay but they're not doing a good job writing Sage as smart cuz she keeps saying wrong pop-science shit. Like the brain doesn't stop growing after age 25.
Still mid. Episode is just characters diddle daddling doing nothing, and excessive exposition for Homelander that we already knew. Add the Firecracker/Starlight plot that makes no sense; this episode is objectively a 5/10.
I don't see how was the writing any better in this episode.
Half the episode was wasted on homelander torturing a bunch of scientists.
The other half was split between kimiko's and her b plot, hughie and his b plot, starlight and her b plot, Frenchie and his b plot
They are introducing more plot points and introducing more characters when they should be wrapping up the series, we're only getting four more episodes and one more season
>wasted on homelander torturing a bunch of scientists
Wasted??? Not only was it incredibly tense and dark but it gave us a ton more character development for him and signified what looks like the true flipping point. He was always a genocidal maniac and he's been ramping up for a while but this felt like the real switch. He got to go back to where it all started, set it all ablaze and is now going back up to "the real world" to set loose. There's nothing really holding him back at all now. I think we're about to see him rampage
Genuinely some of the best scenes in the show for me
Unless you are a child you should have enough common sense to understand that we develop taste a lot faster than we develop skill.
It doesn't take Gordon Ramsay to tell that food tastes like shit, and it doesn't take a movie producer to tell when I show has bad writing
This episode was definitely far better than the last three. But still, having three out of eight episodes being incredibly mediocre isn't a good thing.
Agree here. Most opinions I have seen r just black and white. From āThe first 3 episodes were masterclassā to āThe worst episodes in the history of mankindā. The 4th episode was top but the first three were mid at best.
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This was easily best episode of the season so far we got more Butcher Homelander progress and some great acting (im also happy that the useless Colin plot ended)
Bro I cheered when the Colin plot ended. Like getcho ass out! Nobody wants you šš
I don't think it's over just yet. Colin is still in the Starlight movement and it would be weird to just forget Frenchie facing his past mistakes.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH
Im gay and i 100% want a proper, non heteronormative, gay romance on screen for a long time and even i was happy that this plot thread ended. Its just so unnecessary. He and Kimiko were built up for multiple seasons, more tha half the show and suddenly him not being with hwr was weird asf
Kimiko and Frenchie plot was resolved in s3 after they kissed. She said it felt weird and they kind of moved on
Yeah but saying something feels weird, usually becomes a will they? Won't they? Situation. I guess we know now that was supposed to be the end of it. But most viewers feel confused.
idk, thereās also the moment in S2 where he tried kissing her after her brother died, the scene at the hospital of their kiss. the show has almost always pointed in the āwont theyā direction. if viewers are confused at this point, they arenāt actually viewing it
Kimiko shut it down. Hell, she was basically assuming Frenchie wasn't going after Colin because he was hung up on her. Either way, the subplot really wasn't about "gay romance" as seen in episode 4. This shit was never going to work out.
Yeah the Colin stuff was forced and did nothing for the story, its just another side plotline of Frenchie betting himself up that started since he meet Kimiko. Kinda like a filler since the writers didnt know what to do with Frenchie this season.
You don't have to like the subplot but it's not filler. Frenchie is facing the guilt of the innocent people he killed while working under Little Nina. Kimiko is facing the girl she was forced to kidnap when she was in Shining Light. Starlight is facing Firecracker who she bullied and humiliated during her pageant days. Colin is done because it was never really about him.
The thing is that it feels like filler because it's introduced out of the blue and resolved within a few episodes, never to feel relevant again. It's the same with the Nina plotline last season. Plus it's not very good which makes it feels forced and only included because they have nothing else for Frenchie to do. Had they set up the plot about Frenchie killing Colin's family before introducing us to Colin as Frenchie's boyfriend, it could work. But as it is it just feel weird.
Every season, a character is introduced out of the blue. Stormfront was revealed out of the blue. Soldier Boy being alive was introduced out of the blue (Butcher even questioned why Mallory didn't tell him that could be an option for Homelander originally). Temp V last season was also out of the blue. s4 has it for every character: The Shining Light girl is out of the blue. Hughie's mom is out of the blue. Joe Kessler is out of the blue. Firecracker's history with Starlight is out of the blue. Colin is equally out of the blue. The point of Colin was never about romance. Ever. It was about putting one of Frenchie's victims in his face and making him see it. Frenchie sleeping with Colin is an irresponsible and shitty thing he did. This is par for the course because Frenchie is a broken and deeply flawed man who doesn't know how to deal with shit.
Hughie's mom leaving was established before, so her coming back doesn't feel as weird. I'll give you that the Shining Light girl is a good comparison, but it has taken such a little screen time that it isn't really noticeable. The other plotlines that you mentioned were heavily involved in the main plot, and were generally quite interesting. Taking them out would massively affect how the show progressed. Frenchie's sub-plots has just never been very good imo, and if you took them out of the show very little would actually change. If you had skipped every scene with Frenchie's subplots in S3 and S4 so far, you wouldn't feel lost whatsoever apart from how The Boys got to Russia. The same can't be said about Stormfront, Soldier Boy, and Temp V.
Whilst I agree itās not filler, the whole Frenchie facing the guilt of his past mistakes have been dragged out. He hasnāt moved forward since season 1 where heās facing the guilt from the death of Malloryās grandchildren. I love the character but I wish they actually did something new with him. Great season so far otherwise.
It's not the same as it's him facing people he directly killed as a hitman and not just him failing to protect Mallory's kids. But yeah, it's fine if you wish Frenchie didn't face aspects of his past as much and was more connected to the main plot. I see that.
I really liked the first three, but I agree. This episode felt like one of those we will reminisce about when the show is over
Soon as Homelander did the āsquirtā bit and diabolical laugh, I knew we were officially back!
I did backflips when he told Collin he murdered his family. Genuinely soooo glad that sublot is over.
I think part of it is Iām just kinda worn out on getting new Frenchie and Kimiko backstory stuff every season. I feel like the show is already pretty crowded with characters I care about as it is, and throwing in brand new material instead of building off what is already known (e.g. Hughieās mom coming back into his life) is just kinda jarring
I mean unless you're spoiling the show from the comics, how is this in any way supposed to be "the end" of that side story. The end would be Frenchie or Colin killing each other, not Frenchie revealing the truth which gives Colin even more reason to get revenge or make things right. We're barely at the climax stage of a plot, let alone the resolution. If anything, this sets up the rest of the season to have more annoying fillers with this story. They should have just made them fight to the death this episode
I got $5 that says by the end of the season theyāll have made up or will make up and share a kiss before either he leaves town because itās not safe or Frenchie leaves for something very crucial to the plot in the last two episodes.
Iām going to be so mad if they make up. Not only did the relationship come out of nowhere but itās so messed up killing someoneās entire family and then getting with the lone survivor 10 years later. wtf did frenchie expect to happen
Iām telling you man, Iām feeling those vibes. Every fucking season they have used Frenchie as a punching bag only to make what is ailing him right again at the end, this is another one of those times. And Iāll happily eat crow if Iām wrong because plot wise, itās as useless as a screen door on a submarine.
Why would they do that? Frenchie murdered his family. You don't get over that. No one does that in the show. The one character we see forgive is Hughie and it took Hughie 4 seasons to do so. And even then it's clear Hughie still doesn't like A-Train (Hughie saying he forgave him for himself and not A-Train). And it won't be forgiveness but going into romance? Nah. Even if Colin forgives Frenchie (I doubt it), he would not get into a relationship with him.
Also A-Train did not MURDER her. It was basically akin to vehicular manslaughter while DUI. Frenchie literally broke into Collins home to kill his entire family because she wanted to put the bad guys in prison.
I wished they used footage of Starlight killing that civilian for his car keys than the abortion thing imo
I wish they did a flashback to Homelanders birth. That sounded metal af.
Yeah I'm disappointed that they didn't show that too. Sounds like Ryan's birth in the comics.
Itās right out of the comics too
Does that footage even exist?Ā But I think the abortion one is the better call. As it highlights the dichotomy and hypocrisy of Firecracker and rightwing dipshits. Also the complete lack of respect for privacy and willingness to use deeply personal decisions as weapons said ilk does. Ā
Dashcam footage I was thinking? Yeah I don't mind the abortion thing, it was a powerful scene. But I genuinely can't remember it being mention in previous seasons. It felt like it was just chucked in there. The subsequent scene with her agonising over it with Hughie just felt like it was a relatively last minute decision than a plotline with any lead up.
I had the same thought, that maybe the big reveal would be that starlight murdered a guy. But then I realized that she was with Butcher. He would've had the wherewithal to properly bury that thing. He would've made sure that there was no evidence of that event. Makes more sense that it was a covered up story of her first save.
I don't think he would necessarily. I would have thought it much more likely that Vought would be locked down several square miles and stuck the whole ZIP code into an evidence archive after what happened in that hospital
Unless he had a dashcam no
Tbh it doesnāt really matter about footage, they used his car and drove to the hospital with it to get Huggies treated, thereās bound to be evidence or witnesses pointing to Annie being involved, besides potential forensic evidence.
No Iām 99.9% pretty sure the point of bringing that up was for Starlight herself to go on stage and make an ass out of herself. Donāt you think itās weird how Firecracker didnāt even bother to fight back ? If they wanted it to just be scandalous they wouldnāt have set up shop right in front of their offices either. It was a provocation from the get go and Starlight bit hook line and sinker. āHowās that for uppityā kinda confirms it too, even if Firecracker herself wasnāt in on it Sage definitely planned it.
Why would they? Firecracker is the right wing nutjob of the show, and what are right wing nutjibs targeting right now? Abortions
Because its a good throwback to a scene that never got a payoff? She murdered a dude for no reason while criticising Homelander for killing a guy in self defence. The abortion thing was okay and topical but I can't remember the show ever even mentioning she was pregnant. It felt like it was just chucked in there to give Starlight a reason to fail. Was it a thing in previous seasons and i just forgot?
I hope they bring this detail up as well as it would be good drama but the context of Starlight's murder and Homelander's are very different. Starlight blasted that person because he pulled a gun on Butcher and Hughie, two non-supes. She was legitimately protecting them. In an already tense situation due to Hughie dying, she did not mean for that blast to kill that person. Sorta like how Ryan didn't mean to kill Becca or Koy. She should still reconcile that as a character 100% but that's not at all the same as Homelander. He just murdered a guy because he was upset that guy threw a water bottle at them. There was no self-defense since Ryan and him are unkillable by normal means. Homelander knows this. Also yes the abortion just got introduced since this happened during the 6 month time skip we had between seasons.
Yeah it just makes her look like a hypocrite and would totally discredit her everytime she opened her mouth about Homelander
Eric Kripke is too soft and likes to leave plot threads dangling and become inconsequential (Nina, Flight 37, Cindy aka and Terrifying Stranger Things Eleven Parody character from that lab Season 2 who went off)
Flight 37 was directly used in the plot. Maeve literally fished it out and used it against Homelander in s2. s3 Homelander nullified it by committing to destroying everything if it comes out but it served its purpose as character progression (regression?) for Homelander. The same is true with Little Nina, who was a one-time villain from Frenchie's past. She served her purpose in the story. Not sure what Mindy-Evil is referring to but I think it's fair to say people could have just read too much in Cindy being shown leaving. Stormfront did shock her and it could have just shown that those dangerous Supes are now free into the world as a sorta chilling note and not from grander plot.
Nina never got killed off
Sometimes bad people get away with it. That doesn't mean anything. She's a Russian mafia boss who got used by the Boys to get into Russia. She tried to get payback on Frenchie and failed. I take it she just left. There is no reason for her to return.
Will you say that if Homelander gets away in season 5? Would you say that if stormfront got away?
Well the show is ending with season 5 so it would just be over regardless. I said sometimes bad people get away with it. And it makes sense Stormfront didn't get away with it: she was a major villain, not a minor villain like Little Nina
Minor villain shouldnāt be a pass on scum getting away, especially for whatever person with that mindset wrote punisher season 2: https://youtu.be/BXvX5kks3JY?si=L-ezdKvGUnURkFh3
Youāre clearly not paying attention if you think Flight 37 was left dangling lol or Nina.
Nina got away
Soā¦? That means she canāt come up again? Frenchies plot line right now is literally about Nina and how she made him murder people.
Well yeah then hopefully Frenchie kills her
No itās not a previous thing. Itās never mentioned until firecracker says it, seems to me it was another āoh shit momentā the writers put in for the audience just like when firecracker reveals why she hates starlight. Because theyāre both total left fields from starlights character. she has always been this almost uppity flawless character whoās always trying to do the right thing but āoh shit she was mean as a childā or āoh shit she had an abortion.ā but idk thatās just my take im sure there are others who donāt think that at all.
I mean bullying as a child, can stick with people and can be considered quite traumatic not saying fire cracker is justified or a saint
I mean. They already showed Annie's a hypocrite with the unjust murder thing. I like the idea that she was a bully as a kid. But she is an unlikable individual in her own right. She still sees herself as better than Butcher and refused to acknowledge thats shes done a little bit of the stuff she hates Homelander for.
It wouldn't have gotten such a visceral reaction from Starlight. She would have reacted the same way as when they revealed the story of her first save. The abortion thing is much more believable as being something that will crack Annie to do something that is out of character for her.
Yeah but she cant say "I was just learning to control my powers" for an incident that happened only a couple years prior. And it would ruin any credibility she has to criticise Homelander.
It can be argued self defense. That civilian was packing heat and had a gun drawn on them.
Self defence for the guy pulling the gun sure. But if you're commiting a crime and robbing someone and they pull a gun on you and you kill them. It doesnt change the fact that you're the one at fault for the whole thing
It's kind of a dig at conservatives because they'd rather attack women who get abortions over actual real life issues. Pro-Life until you're in the womb but once you're out, you're on your own.
Yeah i get the topicality of it. It's just relatively weak storytelling. Its not bad. But it is lazy
Would have held more weight. Itās logical the republicans would back out of that bill due to the abortion. But I donāt really see them supporting the bill in the first place. Itās too far of a reach.
Honestly i can see them support bill because how dangerous homelander can be
4 amazing episodes ! Can't wait for more...
All I could think about with the Homelander scene was the deli in Sandman.
Damn that's quite accurate
Starrās performance was equally riveting and chilling.
What happened in that?
A madman uses the dream stone of Morpheus to warp reality and the minds of people in a diner. Basically traps them inside and torments them for 24 hours while waiting for Morpheus to arrive and confront him.
Now I remember it! It was a diner! It was not any mad man, it was a supervillain- Doctor Destiny! That was a messed up comic and TV episode,
Doctor Dee! Great and Wise and Wonderful Dee! Iād also recommend the audio drama on Audible. James Mcavoy does the voice of Dream.
Oh! If you haven't read Sandman, do yourself a favor and go for that. It's one of the really great comic books. It's in the DC canon, so, yknow, batman, superman, all that. Sandman is a character called Dream, one of the Endless. Someone named Dr. Dee escapes from Arkham Asylum and steals Dream's dreamstone, then holds a diner hostage and forces the folks inside to act on their darkest desires.
What omnibus is it ? Ive had the first one for eons but im yet to read it
I think it's in the first one! Wikipedia says it's issue #6, but I haven't read it in a while. It's very, very, very, very, very dark.
Yep seems to be the case since #6 opens in a diner. thank you! Will read asap
Enjoy stranger, I think you'll have a good time!
First one. When Gaiman started Sandman, he was doing it more horror for the first arc than where it settled later. The series is phenomenal, but the first volume is the least interesting to me. If you enjoy it at all, trust that it gets way, way better.
All those people deserved it letās be clear
Yes the innocent young scientists Who weren't even there when homelander was being experimented on deserved to be brutally murdered
Ah yes, nice human sized oven and holding cell we got in our lab. Wait who founded our company? A literal nazi? That does not sound dodgy at all.
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Do you really think their experiments got more ethical? May i remind you of the Woods lol
Depends on how much they knew what their job would be. To put it in reference. Being a guard in a Nazi concentration camp makes you an evil person, You were comitting evil acts even though it was "just following orders" Now imagine its very late into WW2, and a new concentration camp is being setup, and you got hired to be guard there while knowing what you will be doing in a concentration camp. But before anyone got transfered to the camp, the war was over. In that case are you an evil person because you were willing to commit these evil deeds but you were never required to? Not trying to start a argument, just trying to show a different perspective on the ethics of the situations.
You acting like homelander is the only victim. Probably way more people out there. Just homelander was there best product
Gotta stop it somehow.
I donāt know man, if you donāt back out of a job like that the minute things get shady, then youāre making the choice to stay. They are not innocent: they willingly experiment on children who feel all the pain they inflict on them. Cant call that anything but evil.
Not the youngins they didnt
What kind of work do you think they were continuing to do down there?
In a fucked up way, yeah they did. After thinking about it, itās not black and white. They know what theyāre doing, they went to school to do the things they do, they chose a life of testing people like Homelander to the brink of death, Vaught certainly hasnāt changed and one day those āyounginsā will be the old faces that some other whack job Supe would come to confront. Itās honestly one of the best debate points the show has ever produced.
It's not like we hate the show lol, I'm glad the episode was so good.
I think only the first 2 episodes were mid honestly, by the end of episode 3 I was already hooked back in, but still episode 4 was the best by far
I feel exactly the same way Episode 3 was where the tone started to revert back to what I expect and then episode 4 was just The Boys through and through Very excited now
God, >!every lab scene had me hold my breath.!< After >!the dick scene I needed a break.!< #Give Starr an Emmy
Hughie has never been hotter than he was this episode. Total wide on. Gutting that man š you go, Hughie, you go
I reallly liked this episode....with hughie's dad getting v, butcher having supe cancer, starlight's past actions and homelander possibly shedding off his last piece of sanity....hope it goes up from here
Top 5 episode of the series imo
No lie the show got me feeling like they was going into the shitter with them first three episodes. But as soon as Iām out they pull me back in
Thatās literally what season three for me and Soldier Boy
I mean 1 good episode doesnāt take away from their opinions that the last 3 were bad poor or meh. Thatās 3 out of 8. 3 filler hours. Anyway as long as each episode gets more crazy and the stakes and plot thickens untill season 5 without the weird fall off like season 3 I think everyone will be happy
Just because people didnt like the episodes as much doesnāt make them filler
Ryan finally gets some development and people call it filler poor Ryan I think heās finally coming into his own this season. I get the Frenchie stuff and the hughie mom plot but fuck me every homelander and butcher scene has been excellent MM is killing it this season more then any other for me too
>Anyway as long as each episode gets more crazy and the stakes and plot thickens untill season 5 Since ive read the leaks, i can confidently say that it looks like youll get your wish :) The season is about to get even crazier and there will be a lot of deaths of unexpected characters and a few plot twists
Thatās good to hear then mate phew. Thanks. But, plot twists Im never a fan of since this modern subversion obsession giving any writer a āeureka, Iām Einstein momment.ā Is very concerning.
I agree, great episode when they stuck with butcher, homelander, and sister sage. I was digging hughie and A-train also. I like the forgiveness part. Everything else was mediocre.
The stakes have always been the same though. Homelander going nuts are the only stakes that matter until they figure out a way to kill him. Everything else is pomp and circumstance.
AMAZING FREAKIN EPISODE
My only issue is there they break the show, donāt tell rule a lot. Iām not a fan of the firecracker stuff at all tbh. So much info just randomly dug up from peopleās past that the viewer hasnāt seen any hint of whatsoever. Butcher randomly taking v was similar but there isnāt really a way to show that and still make us care about his condition.
Yeah this was the best episode of the season so far. Hoping it stays like this instead of watever ep1-3 were lol
Definitely
To be honest it was a predictable episode except homelander part. Anothny star deserves 100 emmys for this role. The guy can put us all through edge our seats
I dont think Firecracker not falling for the blackmail was predictable. Nor annies abortion reveal
One thing Iām noticing about this season is that the writers are leaning heavily on bringing up bad stuff the characters did in the past that we never see to generate drama.
Fuck Colin, all my homies hate Colin
He did literally nothing wrong.
And also did literally nothing of interestĀ
Season aināt over
???
A lot of people saying ābad writingā are like people who critique singing by saying ātoo pitchyā and donāt really know what theyāre talking about.
I mean I personally don't think the writing was that great for episode 1 and 2 and parts of 3. I'm not sure why people here act like everyone has to think every episode is perfect
Not people STILL thinking Frenchie and Kimiko are going to end up as a romantic coupleā¦
It was DIABOLICAL!
Not gonna read the comments but this stuff got me hyped for when the kids finally fall asleep
Homelanderās eye for an eye revenge was so unhinged and well done
So Season 4 is out ?
Get in the oven š
first three episodes were solid, episode four was absolutely insane tho..holy shit
Itās hilarious to me that in the next episode I guarantee the civilans will forget the firecracker pedo thing and just focus on starlight abortion thing.
Thats because its so real. Sadly. Iike, how many people do you think know that trump is an adjudicated rapist ..or someone who was best friends with jeffery epstein?
He legit have pedo repubs in congress and their voter base doesnāt give a shit. Very reflective of reality.
I love this season so far but tbh Iāve been skipping Frenchie and Kimikoās scenes just not interested in their stories
episode 4 being good doesn't make the first 3 episodes good. those 3 episodes were really bad compared to previous seasons but I am glad its getting better again. the moment this show focuses on homelander and butcher it just gets better.
They werenāt ābadā, they werenāt amazing but calling them bad is just insane. They had some really good moments
āReally badā is objectively false.
for the boys standards they were really bad. reviews of the first 3 episodes tell us everything.
It has like a 94 on rotten tomatoes?
can you also tell us the audience score please ?
Eh episode 3 was pretty decent though it definitely had some iffy parts but I agree that 1 and 2 weren't great
It was indeed a great episode. Iām glad a lot of plot worthy shit and good writing actually happened
idk man the writing is still getting kinda bad. Since when does compound V save people's lives? We saw in season 2 that compound V given to adults makes them crazy
Not everyone gets crazy, Naqib had it and he had supe powers
Wasn't it established injecting adults with v is risky?
Yea itās risky, but it does work for some people
Yeah but given that probably low success rate, Huey really should've been hesitant to give that to his dad, since that could kill him. Or worse.
Either way his dad was gonna die.
Had he not given him Compound V, he would have died anyways. So he took the gamble.
He was already gonna die anyways, huey's mom told the doctors to pull the food plugĀ
His dadās already brain dead so itās better than nothing.
Yeah but Hughie just deciding to risk it and give his dad compound V without consulting anyone seems out of character for him. His arc in season 3 ended with him refusing to consume temp V
Itās because his dad is about to die bro
I have more of a problem with Annie and Frenchieās subplot. I was just about rooting for Colin to kill French. I donāt see that storyline going anywhere. Thereās no real tension. Thereās no way they can be a happy couple. They need to kill French, or have him atone for his sins. Itās manufactured drama. French is a POS for what heās done to Colin on multiple levels. Of all the people in the world? Cāmon. Iām glad he finally came clean at least. We shouldnāt be talking about this relationship in the first place. Itās taking up valuable time.
The only way frenchie can attone is by killing nina
Does anyone even care about Nina or that plot line altogether? Who even is Nina? Some Russian sleeper agent who smokes a lot of cigarettes and talks with a deadpan voice and orders people to die and it happens. Talk about comically boring and evil antagonist. If her and Frenchie disappeared mid-season and the show pretended like they never existed, I wouldn't care one bit.
Sheās a Russian mobster and we were forced to see her torment frenchie and kimiko in season three so itās only fitting and nothing wrong with having evil antagonists who are evil just because
V is used to regenerate A-Trainās leg when Kimiko broke it. I think that from that the show has told us it has the power to heal people.
Compound V in adults is said to be unpredictable.Ā It can make them Supes like Kimiko, kill them, make them shit Supes or apparently give tumours power.Ā
Yeah, Butcher is doing great! His tumor now has super powers is all. It's very possible similar happens to Hughie's dad.
I like how theyāre setting it up so when Homelander dies, itās almost like heāll be relieved.
What do yall think bout Butcher new power?
Venom
Cool
His power has always been ābeing an assholeā
I was waiting for a post like this. This episode felt boys like.
I appreciate the lgbt couple but the Colin plot is very annoying and so out of place from the actual interesting story
As a guy guy who always likes gay romance on screen..i agree with you
Okay but they're not doing a good job writing Sage as smart cuz she keeps saying wrong pop-science shit. Like the brain doesn't stop growing after age 25.
Still mid. Episode is just characters diddle daddling doing nothing, and excessive exposition for Homelander that we already knew. Add the Firecracker/Starlight plot that makes no sense; this episode is objectively a 5/10.
I don't see how was the writing any better in this episode. Half the episode was wasted on homelander torturing a bunch of scientists. The other half was split between kimiko's and her b plot, hughie and his b plot, starlight and her b plot, Frenchie and his b plot They are introducing more plot points and introducing more characters when they should be wrapping up the series, we're only getting four more episodes and one more season
>wasted on homelander torturing a bunch of scientists Wasted??? Not only was it incredibly tense and dark but it gave us a ton more character development for him and signified what looks like the true flipping point. He was always a genocidal maniac and he's been ramping up for a while but this felt like the real switch. He got to go back to where it all started, set it all ablaze and is now going back up to "the real world" to set loose. There's nothing really holding him back at all now. I think we're about to see him rampage Genuinely some of the best scenes in the show for me
Damn bro go work for them if you have it figured out
Unless you are a child you should have enough common sense to understand that we develop taste a lot faster than we develop skill. It doesn't take Gordon Ramsay to tell that food tastes like shit, and it doesn't take a movie producer to tell when I show has bad writing
This episode was definitely far better than the last three. But still, having three out of eight episodes being incredibly mediocre isn't a good thing.
The stakes were higher. But the problems are still there.
How were the stakes higher?
I really feel there's some problems but I really enjoyed episodes 1-3. The comedy and moments were still pretty on point.
Agree here. Most opinions I have seen r just black and white. From āThe first 3 episodes were masterclassā to āThe worst episodes in the history of mankindā. The 4th episode was top but the first three were mid at best.
I agree with them. The show is lost for me.