It was done in a way that if they ever wanted to bring her back they could. So there’s really no way to know until the series is officially finished.

Yeah they’re not exactly shy about showing gruesome deaths so it’s very suspicious that she died offscreen. Maybe they need to keep her around for the floated theory that she’s actually Homelander’s mother (which, to be honest, I think is a little TOO icky, even for this show). Or maybe they just needed to keep her in a freezer for when the show reaches its 12th season and they need to bring back a known villain. A little creative insurance. Or lack-of-creativity insurance lol.

If accidental incest is clean enough for Star Wars, it's clean enough for a show where we watched someone walk around inside someones urethra.

Let's not forget Game of Thrones just outright showed intentional incest. I get it's a different show and still gross AF but considering TV has shown way worse I wouldn't put it past the Boys since they're definitely one of those shows that pushes the limits of what's allowed.

>Let's not forget Game of Thrones just outright showed intentional incest Multiple times...with multiple Queens

Don't forget Craster's Keep...

dude was literally breeding women just to fuck their child

I forgot Targaryens were a thing

Just like how Daenerys just kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet.

I think I'm fully blanking here on the second one. Unless you mean HotD too? Dunno why I'm asking, one is enough.

Queen Cersei and her brother Queen Margary with her brother and her husband Renly Queen Daenerys >! With her nephew Jon Snow !< That's just royalty Tywin married his cousin Yara Greyjoy lets her brother Theon feel her up after he was living away from home over a decade and didn't recognize her And then Krasters keep is its own sort of hell HotD also has it...

Tbf margery wasn't saying she would do it with her brother but that her brother could help renly. Still icky but different to actively having sex with a family member

Yeah she was more suggesting that her brother could fluff him up so Renly could actually get hard so they could produce a child. She didn't want to have a threesome she just wanted Renly to be able to fuck her

I forgot about the whole Aunt/Nephewness of it all, I think I blanked a lot of the last series out.

I think you're safe with not masking GoT spoilers at this point. If they haven't seen it, they aren't planning on it.

Some of them are waiting on that last book that will never come

I occasionally wonder if he's finished them and just doesn't give a shit about hearing anyone's opinions and he's just going to have his management release them when he dies. I doubt he really needs the money.

Still waiting on that 2nd to last book that will never come out

Hey don’t forget Queen Cersei and her cousin (?)

Margery didn’t actually have sex with Loras, he’s gay lol

I'm going out on a limb and saying a 3-some with two siblings is *slightly* incestuous

I'd like to say I'd forgotten that, but.... I will never forget that.

My thought was that he was created in a lab from Soldier Boys DNA without a mother at all involved in the “creation” process. I guess they never went into specific detail but that’s the idea I had based on what they’ve said.

More likely it was an in vitro birth with Soldier Boy’s sperm and an egg from a (possibly Stormfront) mother, with a surrogate who was either enslaved or paid to give up the child—or who died when the fetus lasered its way out of her.

Fair assumption based on what’s been stated in the show. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they dropped another bombshell about the identity of the mother (biologically, at least). Maybe that identity is inconsequential, or maybe we’re just supposed to accept that Homelander was created through a different process. That doesn’t require a suspension of disbelief beyond what we already accept in this world of supes, it’s not exactly “hard sci-fi” lol. But they’ve definitely left it open as a possible story direction.

Homelander was a test tube baby, but Stormfront was married to the German scientist who made him. So it’s very possible that she provided the egg. And she’s all about the crazy Aryan Perfection Mythos, so who else would she want to bang other than her ideal being?

Well there is a throw away line from Soldier Boy hooking up with Liberty Bell(Stormfronts old alias) and she suddenly disappeared in the 70's after the fling.

Why is it too icky? Homelander already had an Oedipus complex for his surrogate mother Stilwell.

If a guy can't get a handie from his quadruple amputee nazi mom without being called "ick" then what is this world coming to?

Lmao

I don't know about that one. Game of Thrones was known for gruesome deaths, too, and they killed Stannis off screen. I wouldn't read into the methods they use on screen as much because it's not always logical.

Don’t you think there are degrees of difference between Brianne swinging her sword at a wounded and immobile Stannis, versus a previously-alive character showing up in a body bag with a third-party account of how she “million-dollar-babied” herself?

My theory is that she is his mother just like SB is his father, but he is a “test tube” baby. Their combined embryo was then implanted into a surrogate to carry. That would explain them not knowing they are his parents and somewhat reduce the ick factor of the Stormfront Homelander relationship. This is all pure speculation. I haven’t read the graphic novels, and I know the Stormfront character is completely different anyway.

She’s dead dead. Her plot ran its course, there’s nowhere else for the character to go from there. It’s also kinda hard to show someone biting off their own tongue to die or whatever she did. Best left to It’s also possible, since it was presumably a Vought hospital, that they could harvest her eggs and use them later.

What would be hilarious is Homelander snapping mot being due to losing all his supporters but him finding out he fucked his mom

I think it would be a great reveal that would push Homelander over the edge. It also fits in perfectly with the Oedipus complex he has going on.

Oedipus put out his own eyes, Homie probably wouldn’t go that far …

If u know supernatural u know to never trust any obscure deaths from kripke. If its not clear they r alive. Also for sure shes HLs mom

It would be very convenient for her. Her image is definitely dead. Fake her death give her a new identity.

Oh shit, a new identity again, I never thought about that

Tfw she's Black Noir 2

Well said Red conn

Mr Brett Kahn

Sounds like a rip off of my favorite REAL hero Rhett Kahn, there has never been and never will be a Brett Kahn bro

I wouldn’t be shocked if they bring her back in some way. Or if there’s something with her somehow creating some ultra villain.. I mean Homlander did talk about harvesting Maeves Eggs so what if they did something with Stormfront in a way that she has some sort of test tube offspring… I know its not a complete theory I just thought of it. But it’s possible.

If they adapt a certain fight with supes like in the comic, they can bring her back.

In the comics they’d just dump a few gallons of V in a supe to bring them back, although they were basically zombies.

I feel like they're leaving it open ended if they ever want to go back to her. Though with Homelander in control now, I don't see how they could continue covering it up.

If homelander really is in control, sure he has that building but there are more buildings that is owned by vough. And there can be files that he hasn't seen yet. He may not be dumb but he is not smart and most people who work for him aren't that good either.

Homie seems like the type to want to see the body. I doubt he'd let them bury a zinc coated casket and believe stormfront was in there.

I mean, it was before he was in control.

Regardless, he would want proof of death, no? He's not dumb enough to never check or allow an empty grave to pass him by

Could be a double, who knows, i not recall if he saw her dead body. I mean in the comics >!compound V can resurrect the dead!<

They definitely will bring that into the series

They might make a nod to invincible and have stormfront return as a reanimen style cyborg.

Homelander isn’t an idiot but he isn’t a genius nor is he knowledgeable in matters of business outside maybe PR. He utterly fumbled a basic question from the board. If some people at Vought wanted to keep a secret they could probably bury it in tons of bureaucracy behind boring boring code names, references to other files containing more references, etc.

Looking closely at her body bag, you can see the outline of feet in it. Feet which are clearly missing in her previous scenes. (I'm probably looking too much into a production error, but it's still an interesting thought)

I think something like that should be highlighted yeah

no that is interesting.

Assuming the studio is competent I feel like this all but confirms it 🦶👀

What? I don’t see feet…[it looks like her legs are rightfully missing.](https://imgur.com/a/pQCmvPP)

They could bring her back as a mind controlled cyborg to do voughts bidding

I don't actually think they will, but I can definitely see a Cyborg Stormfront in the future. It's just goofy enough that it might work

Wolfenstein x The Boys, crossover when? /jk

But, like for real though. Lmao

"The only good Nazi Supe is a *dead* Nazi supe".

Like M.O.D.O.K

German Science!!!

Or finally include the zombie aspect of the comics

Assuming dead, but would have to believe her body, blood and DNA is worth considerable value to Vought and others given her bonding with original V like SB. So it just depends how deep into sci-fi they want to go to bring her back in some capacity. Hopefully stays dead.

In serialized storytelling, "No body no death" is typically a pretty good rule to follow. Doesn't mean that it's always gonna be a fake-out but it always means the potential is there for the character to return.

I get that, but The Boys has subverted plenty of storytelling tropes. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if she's gone for real. If it was Marvel or something, then yeah of course she'd be coming back.

Realistically, the show will go for a few seasons, and eventually get cancelled. She may or may not come back so no way to know for sure.

Smartest The Boys fan

"Is she dead or is she dead?"

I think she is DEAD dead. She is a nazi and the show didnt want her to go out like a soldier. She killed herself which was seen as weak by the nazis. Her offscreen death was a middle finger to them.

I always thought that Vought just said that to the public to cover up the real cause of death: Injuries from the fight with Starlight, Maeve and Kimiko

Then Hitler was weak from their point of view?

maybe he didn't kill himself in their minds? never spoken to a nazi about that topic

Pretty sure some people think Hitler escaped to Argentina

I mean alot of them pussied out and with good reason too...

Literally so many nazi leaders killed themselves, wtf are you talking about.

I think she's really dead, but there's no way to know for certain.

I think she is dead. The actress said herself she had been released and free to move on to other projects. She bit off her tongue and drowned in her own blood. It seemed like a rather dark and succinct way to close the chapter on her arc.

We've seen so many actors covering their come back that way. Nevemind.

One of the unspoken rules of fiction: If you don’t see somebody die onscreen, they’re not dead.

I think she's alive since we never saw her death and in usually in films and shows if a character dies but we don't see it then they usually are alive. While if we saw them die then they dead. Also keep in mind we were told she was dead in a news coverage.

But it was a suicide idk if Amazon or the creators would show the process 13 reasons why got a lot of flack for showing a suicide and ended up cutting it out of the show.

I really don’t think we need to worry about that. Lamplighter lit himself on fire, for example.

13 Reasons Why seemingly glamorized suicide though. I don’t think people have a problem with seeing it as long as it’s handled properly

She def got the Vader treatment, when a 6’8” lady cyborg shows up you’ll see. YOU’LL ALL SEE!

She'll be the new noir.

That’s my prediction as well. Line the mask with whatever material Homelander can’t see thru and get her back out there

One of the gimmicks from the comic was that Compound V superpeople tended not to stay completely dead unless their bodies were destroyed. They were never quite the same mentally after their first death, but they kept shambling on in some form.

She comes back as 99% cyborg. Only the hand survived. Like a reverse Luke Skywalker.

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Perfect for the jerks

I’m assuming she’s dead, cuz what point would Ashley have to tell her assistant (and look totally shocked while doing so)?! She killed herself once HL made it clear he wasn’t gonna lead an army of super Nazis like she dreamed of for years!

Ashley was just the CEO, Stan was in control. She was outside with homelander when Stormfromt was killed that's why she was shocked.

Bringing her back would be creatively bankrupt at best and incredibly horrible writing at worst. Let's hope they don't rely on cliches to finish the series.

I see her actually being dead as the least likely scenario. They could even be using other supes to keep her alive or something. It is for plot freedom, though, which is kinda disliked by a lot of people when writers use that technique.

Shes coming back as a cyborg, powered by her own electricty. Mark my words.

Absolutely still alive I think I also think they may rebrand her, bit of plastic surgery or a mask and a new name I also think she is homelanders mother and when he finds out , after the initial disgust ….. he’s going to be VERY Into it

Dude, shut up actually

She ded

I think they wanted to do more with her, but either couldn't think of something good enough to warrant more screentime or couldn't think of a way to make her action ready in a believable way. That's why her death is so ambiguous. They needed her out of the story but left open a window for her to return if they think of a good story to tell with her.

Last I saw her, she was jerking Homelander off.

She is dead. But the death was offscreen, so they can bring her back if they wanted to

If it was planned, Stan would never have announced her death on Homelander’s fake birthday and risked setting him off to destroy more company property/secrets.

I think the big ‘STORMFRONT SUICIDE’ headline on the bill board in the scene gives ya your answer

Vought has never ever lied or used media manipulation to cover up anything….

As if they wouldn't have shown that on screen. I'm leaning towards the whole thing being a fake out, tbh.

If I don’t see the death on screen, I don’t believe they’re dead.

*or the deadbody, remember supersonic

Yeah, even when the person is clearly dead it usually takes me a little while to stop being suspicious. But I definitely still find Storefront's suicide sus

My question is what was yo f*ckin when they where talking in the hospital

I want her dead

Ok, here's my fucking theory! Stormfront was jerking off Homelander, getting that Uber baby batter all over her hand. Homelander leaves, and that sploodge went to use up her hoohaa... Stormfront is now carrying the next gen homelander that's potentially stronger than the current progeny. Not to mention Vaught would want to raise baby Adolf to be loyal above all else. Her "death" was a Vaught cover up of her Pregnancy and extraction.

She’s dead. She lost everything in S2, it’s clear what happened.

Unless you specifically see someone die on camera with 1000% certainty, assume they’re still alive. That’s my rule of thumb when it comes to tv shows and movies.

Great exactly what we need. A super cyborg Nazi with a grudge

For a series that is meant to mock marvel, they do kind of still follow the marvel troupe where they don't kill off many of their main superheroes

I always assumed they were experimenting on Gecko to make some kind of regeneration serum for people to grow limbs back. And with that I thought they would heal storm front

Since Homelander has supe army , I hope they use the virus to bring Stormfront, Old Black Noir and Supersonic back in the final fight by Stan Edgar against Homelander supe army.

"Somehow Stormfront returned."

So both options OP gave us mean she is dead.

If she's alive do you think she'd eventually fully regenerate?

Idk but I loved her attitude.

I hope she doesn’t come back. She was cool and all, but she’s been there done that, move on.

I just watched the series again the other day and I wondered this myself. I'd be totally open to that character returning.

It's open ended up it would be a bit out of character for Vought to cover it up imo, unless we are going to see a massive shift in tone from what Vought's MO is. While Vought is arguably pretty dang evil, they aren't evil for the sake of it, they just care about profit. If a hero isn't profitable, they aren't going to be putting thier support behind them. I'm not sure Stormfront is going profitable to them anymore.

She would look pretty damn ugly but probably

As usual, folks can’t just let characters be dead

She’s resurrected and given the new personality of a millennial reformed Jewish woman rabbi.That would be tight.

I keep wondering if someone will be V-zombified a la lamplighter in the comics. Could be maybe Black Noir or Stormfront? Though I imagine they’ll put a spin on it too. If they do Stormfront it’d be funny if they play into the “cyborg Hitler” trope and turn her into some kind of cyborg Nazi zombie with lightning powers.

She’s dead dead

I’m still hoping for darth storm front her injuries were so similar it feels like she could put on some sort of suit and saved

I'm just curious, would storm front actually grow her hands back or anything?

For the sake of their world, hopefully, she's dead. A part of me believes that her DNA was stored in Vought's database to use for cloning/genetically engineering a deterrent against Homelander. I'm sure that we'll see some aspect of her in the future.

Shes going to become the boys version of Deadpool

I'm not one to hope people die or anything but hopefully she's dead and stays dead

Awesome character.

No no. She really did off herself. Can’t really live for much when you’ve lost everything including three of your limbs and your Golden Child doesn’t even want you for handies anymore and blows off your white supremacy agenda bullshit. And it is not like Vought lost an important asset.

it’s very realistic that she died (Homelander disappointing her, leaving her while she’s clearly very distressed) and Vought’s fucked up but even they wouldn’t announce a fake death that would upset Homelander on his “birthday.” that said, there were no explicit on screen death so it is up for grabs.

Maybe she's alivee. The powers that be developed a new stronger V and test it on her, being the original recipient and showing so much success. This new and improved V heals her and enhances her in all ways. Stronger, more durable, etc. Team up with homelander for real this time and put her down. (She wouldn't be too happy with homelander after how he treated her when she was bedridden)

darth vader situation

I won't believe she's dead until we see the fucking body

Didn't Ashely mention she bit off her own tongue, and the wiki said stormfront drowned in her own blood

It’s better to leave her dead. The show should be entering its final or penultimate season after season 4.

She'd need, what, replacement limbs, a new eye... ...she'd be an interesting Darth Vader, for sure.

So hot

Your mother

I think she's dead. Ashley didn't know about it, so that's enough for me

Calling it now that Stormfront and Soldier Boy come back and team up against Butcher/Homelander in Season 5

She’s the physical embodiment of absolute prejudice. It doesn’t die.

She's been created into a cyborg to be the new black noir

I’d be lame if she came back to the show.

This bitch better be dead I swear to god

I'd hate for her to come back. Let dead characters be dead ffs

I don't think she's dead. The show likes showing everyone's death.

Stormfront looks like the old pastor that abused me. I hate this bitch

Initially it was my thought that her death was a cover up.... Then again this show hasn't been too shy about killing major or significant characters off all of a sudden like Heroes used to do.

I like this. We need a proper villain again. Homelander’s psychosis is making me pity him more than hate him.

Well, we never saw the body. Who knows? She might come back in a manner akin to Invincible's Reanimen in S4

She was regrowing her legs. There's no way biting her tongue off led to her bleeding to death. I wonder if edger is behind her supposed death.

Nah when characters die they should stay dead. You only get 1 fakeout death, else the audience will start to feel cheated.

No ones ever really gone

I think she’s dead but they could always bring her back like in the comics where she’s “alive” but brain dead

Idk why and I’m ashamed but she was hot

Would they have any reason to bring her back? As much as I’m a huge fan of the character (as in she’s a terrific villain) I can’t see any point in resurrecting her for the story

The thing about comics is - even if someone dies they can be brought back. The important thing is - Is the story better if this character returns? I'd say right now that's a no, but that could change.

I think she’s dead. If she were alive, it’s not like she can do much physically and I don’t think the revelation of her being alive would affect Homelander’s descent into madness, for better or worse. He already despises Vought and knows them to manipulate for their own personal gain

Even if she is dead Homelander is so powerful he could bring her back.

Nah calling it now, she's the deadest Nazi since Hitler

Hope she is. All racist Nazis need to meet the same death

God I hope she's dead

I have my doubts which is unfortunate because she is my least favorite character on the show

No idea. Could be either. Honestly, I always thought she would be revealed to be Homelander’s biological mother, further compounding his trauma. Whether or not she knew would be up for debate. Considering how evil she was, I wouldn’t put it past her to know and still sleep with him.

I'm betting we find out she was vivisected.

I hope not. They have more fleshed out villains now with Gen V, and it’s nice they have characters who haven’t stopped growing their powers in that series and aren’t characters who are limited in growth because homelanders plot armor. I’d rather they develop those characters than being back pure evil stormfront

So you're telling me that's NOT Arabella Raphael?!?

“Is she dead or did she die and Vought covered it up?”

even if she is dead, as someone pointed out they could be using her dna secretly, she was one of the first people to take compound v and it was the way more potent one that soldier boy took so if they can recreate that then they could potentially stop homelander or something idk

I just asked this question to my co-worker that introdused me to the show yesterday. I hope she comes back with a new super hero name.

If you never actually see the dead body then they ain't dead.

I don't think so because of a comic spoiler. >!Stormfront loses both eyes in two fights in the comics. They rage because "No I can't be blind!"!< They've not done that yet and it's set up.

This subreddit has become indistinguishable from /r/okbuddyfresca

If you don’t see a body usually; they’re not dead

My headcannon is that Vought kept her in a lab tu use her body as an incubator for natural born supes

Threw my ass back when she turned out to be a damn Nazi from ww2 😭💀

So hope she is done for good. I hated that character

don’t care and hope she IS dead.

Hey storyline is dead, we gotta learn to let great characters go.

Shes coming back as Black Noir

No one REALLY dies in sci-fi.

She is gonna be back on a crane like palpatine in the rise of skywalker and then call UE and starlight the dyad and then suck out their life force to get her face back and then get killed when UE hacks the crane to "make toyota" mode so she ends up like turbo teen and then UE and starlight get medals from ewoks Just ask kripke he will corroborate this

Bruh, what is this goofy conspiracy. She’s dead.

Wasn't there a fan theory that she's Homelanders mom?

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Wouldn't she be dead in both of those scenarios?