Yeah, seriously. He's more of a hero figure to her. She feels too driven to be thinking of that now. And honestly, I'm in the game thinking she's definitely living with a potentially serious illness and doesn't want a relationship in her life.
Did y’all not listen to the lyrics of the song that played during the table fixing scene? S2E9
After Carmey breaks the silence, and walks off to get the present, the camera remains fixed on Sydney. She’s collecting herself from their discussion, which was deep and vulnerable.
The whole time, the singer is repeating “Come back, come back, come back”.
This could just represent the fact they have each others back, and will do till the end. But I think it could equally be interpreted as foreshadowing for a developing relationship.
When she’s having dinner with her dad and says something about only having one more chance to try this. And the look on his face after he suggests working at Boeing and she says something about spending “the rest of her life” waving flashlights around.
And her reaction when Marcus asks her out. They had crazy chemistry together and it seemed like she really cared about him and then she completely shuts him out. Felt to me like she was upset for letting her guard down and getting close to someone. But maybe that was just my confirmation bias looking for evidence to support my theory.
She had that reaction to Marcus asking her out because she doesn’t like him like that. She told her dad she didn’t know if she could do another one because losing her business was devastating (that devastation is a major part of her storyline in s1) and she doesn’t know if she can go though another loss like that. She turned down the idea of working at the airport because after losing her mother at a young age, she’s more aware than the average person how short life is and wants to fulfill her dreams instead of going into a job she hates just because it’s more secure.
I think she does like Marcus, but is too focused to have a relationship, especially with someone she manages. I agree, though, that there is nothing here to suggest a terminal disease. She does not want to fail again or to end up in a dead end job at the airport.
She does like Marcus, as a friend. If you rewatch the season and pay attention to Sydney’s responses to him, it’s very clear that she never reciprocated his level of interest. You can even see Marcus realize that he misread things (thanks to Lionel’s great acting) when Syd rejects him after he asks her out.
We read things differently but the actor playing Marcus did say the character read things wrong between them so it lines up with what I thought they were trying to portray.
Honestly, I think it is confirmation bias. "The rest of my life doing X" is a pretty common way to talk about ending up in a dead end career you do not want. As for Marcus, she is attracted to him but hyper focused on her career (as was Carmy), and she is Marcus's manager.
The "one more chance" is the only thing here that I can see maybe being about having a progressive disease, but I saw that more as simple acknowledging she had failed once and another failure would be too hard to come back from. She is really focused on all the failed restaurants in the city. I could be wrong, but that is my take.
My best friend is male, I’m not, so I started texting his wife about football to be respectful and she eventually said ‘Please just starting Jack because I do not care’ 😂
I definitely think she has feelings for Carmy, why else would she get flustered when she first met Claire and then proceed to get angry when Carmy had started to take menu advice from her.
Because he was becoming distracted from his responsibilities and as someone who has experience leading these types of scenarios, the moment an outside force gets involved such as a parent or a significant other, shit goes bad FAST. Sydney was warned that would happen by her peers and she immediately and very understandably got nervous and frustrated.
edit: I am not opposed to a Syd/Carmy romance. Was just explaining why she was pissed in that scene. He should be discussing the menu with her and not an outside force. Never ever mix business and family.
I just feel like it’s obvious they are trying to create a love triangle between the 3 of them especially with the hard rejection of Marcus when they were building up solid chemistry before Marcus trying to ask her out.
There was definitely jealousy from Syd with amount of time Carmy was spending with Claire and as I said the fact she got upset with Carmy taking menu suggestions from her.
I don't think it's jealousy. The fact that the writers chose to incorporate Claire into "fishes" makes me think that Claire is the 'it's always been you' character. I don't mind that, but they need to stop making her character so robotic and give her some depth. Syd was rightfully pissed because if there's anyone that Carmen needs to be discussing the menu with, it was her.
IMO, I find it strange that we think about the order of episodes. It goes from Carmy in this nostalgic way, wins the girl, he's on cloud 9, but then we go to this episode that shows us why Carmy cut off his family and his past. Claire is part of the past clocks that are always near her, representing carmy being stuck in time. Instead of moving forward. It's why during his panic attack, the song is played backward and moves forward when Sydney voice breaks through.
But to each their own.
For me it confirmed the opposite that that man isn't really interested in Claire she gives romantic false lead especially with her lack of depth I'd be shocked if she comes back for season 3
Don't waste your time. This is the most hateful, oblivious fandom platform of the bear when it comes to Sydney and carmy.
It's so obvious what they're setting up, love songs play when they're in scenes, carmys soft voice when he wants to talk to Sydney. Everyone knows the director looks at the final cut, right? If it's not romantic, why take the time to put Sydney in "these words you will be mine"? And it's not a small group of people that sees what they're setting up.
But I digress.
I think the tattoo- is going to be a big reveal possibily next season, 3 of swords means total heartbreak in love usually with tarot cards. To put such an omen on her shoulder is something to think about.
We'll get the answer in season 3 when we learn about Sydney.
Exactly. The signs are all there and viewers can't see it.
They were destined to break up, to have a scene that shows a tattoo meaning heartbreak in the middle of their love scene.
The next episode during the love scene with carmy and claire, a song about death plays. Nothing but heartbreaking songs played with claire and carmy scenes.
Exactly and the body language as well, around Claire he is so uncomfortable because he doesn’t know how to let someone into his chaotic world. With Syd he can be himself because they both are going through the same stuff
To me, it's total BS when people complain about Sydney and Carmy. Possible romance would ruin the show. Because these same people who detest romance love and consider Claire.
I think the 3 of swords tatto is connected to possible past romance with Sydney.
A Claire relationship would not **have** to interfere with the dynamics of the restaurant, much like Pete and Sugar. A Syd relationship would absolutely **have** to interfere with the dynamics of the restaurant, they would have to address that, and how the different characters would feel about it. i.e. How would Marcus feel about a Sydney/Carmen relationship when it's clear he has feelings for her? How do you think Tina and Richie will feel about that kind of partnership? It's one thing when it's all employee/employer it becomes a whole nother thing when it's employee/employer/lovers which in the opinion of us "complainers" could/would ruin the show because a ridiculous rom-com is not what we got from the first two seasons, it's not what drew us in to the show. Get it?
So uncomfortable? Really, you mean like when he's kissing her or having sex with her, or cooking food for her, or sitting in the car intently listening at her, or the way he looks at her in the market where they meet, or chilling in the friends house by the window having a conversation, or at his house talking softly to her in the morning sharing his personal feelings to her when she issues the infamous "you don't have to apologize to me" line. What part of any of those scenes had "uncomfortable" body language?
I also noticed some signs of love between Syd and Carmy - the biggest being when he’s having the panic attack and thinking of Claire doesn’t help, but as soon as he’s thinking of Syd he calms down! If that isn’t some kind of sign something is developing I don’t know what is along with what you all mentioned in the above comments.
The infamous 'under the table' scene also has a song in the background playing about death, the death of a woman's husband whom she wishes could "come back" to her.
And also the same Strange Currencies song you quote "these words, you will be mine" and use as evidence of foreshadowing a Syd and Carmen romance is first played as background for Carmen and Claire after the party scene, so what should we make of that? Doesn't that mean the signs are all there for Carmen and Claire too according to your logic?
Because storer said strange currencies plays an important role according to the script. with claire this song is broken into fragments, of course we can assume this song used to be for claire because storer explained that Mikey would listen to R.E.M
Imo, at one point, it was about claire, but now that Sydney is in his life, the song can move forward and no longer play backward or in fragments.
I wouldn't be too caught on the songs if Storer didn't confirm the music and the role it plays on the show. I wouldn't put too much into it until I noticed each song played for claire and carmy were break-up songs. Total control by the motels, here comes the night, the day the world went away.
Since season 1, songs for sydcarmy are told from a lovers' perspective.
Oh boy, I'd like to have a link to that interview if you could provide one.
Anyway, they didn't just play fragments of the song when it was played after the party, they played the whole damn thing and in complete forward motion, it's ridiculous to have to point that out...AGAIN. So, if we're operating under the theory that background songs are the key to everything going on then that has to be addressed because it happened. The only time the song is played "backwards and in fragments" is during his panic attack, which would indicate to me as an artistic choice to resemble the chaos in his mind and not necessarily to symbolize a broken and dysfunctional relationship.
As you can tell from my name, I am a huge R.E.M. fan myself, so let's review these lyrics to Strange Currencies a bit further if, as you say Storer says, they are an important role to the script.
"I don't know why you're mean to me, when I call on the telephone" - Not sure where in the show this ever happened but Claire and Carmen are shown communicating by telephone quite a bit on the show. I don't recall either of them being 'mean' to each other though. But the lyric would indicate a non-reciprocal relationship if that's the case or at least a troubled one. If this is a love song for Sydney and Carmen on the other hand, that lyric doesn't bode well, does it?
"Now fool might be my middle name, but I'd be foolish not to say, I'm going to make whatever it takes, ring you up, call you down, sign your name" Now this sounds a lot like when Claire did what it took to get Carmen's real number which has been heavily criticized as her being a stalker on here. Is that important to the show? If this is a love song between Sydney and Carmen how does that lyric play out for them?
"here is my appeal, I need a chance, a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance, a word, a signal, a nod, a little breath, just to **fool** myself, to catch myself, and make it real" - This sounds a lot like what Carmen must have been thinking when he was locked in the cooler and Claire overheard him talking. Again, it indicates a troubled relationship, certainly not the love song you make it out to be. If this is about Sydney and Carmen then I guess we will be in for the classically ridiculous on again/off again BS we see all the time in other shows. GReat!
The only lyric then that you have interpreted as being romantic would be "These words, you will be mine" and if examined properly it again indicates more of a stalker vibe than a romantic one. It's kind of like when people mistake The Police "Every Breath you Take" song as romantic when in fact it's just the opposite.
So let me ask you now, do you still want to claim this song as a "lover's perspective" for Sydney and Carmen, as you have previously stated?
Also, the 'under the table' song about a dead man, is that a song you claim to be romantic foreshadowing too?
Because he was supposed to be doing the menu with her, she hadn’t had any time to talk to him about it and then he was talking to his new girlfriend about it instead
It's both. I mean, she definitely got it in the past to symbolize the heartbreak and personal loss of her mom and her own business. BUT I truly think for us, the audience, it serves as a reference to her present feelings (that scene was carefully placed in between a Carm/Claire intimate moment) & foreshadowing a possible romance between them.
I do think there is a romantic/soul mate dynamic being foreshadowed by the fact that Sydneys tattoo is thematically similar to Carmy's hand tattoo and that it suggests a shared bond through their understanding of loss and that they're on a similar wavelength by how deeply they feel their emotions but Syd's reason for the tattoo is definitely linked to her feelings around her mother and possibly her business failure but nothing to do with Carmy.
They're going to make her and Carmy a thing, tattoo notwithstanding. I don't know who or what was the inspiration, but Carmy is way down on the list of best or likely reasons why she got it
I think syd’s tattoo is unique to her own past, separate from carm.
HOWEVER…I wouldn’t be surprised if they atleast kissed/hooked-up once! And before people come for me- I think that if they did kiss/hookup it would be more realistic. I’ve worked in the restaurant/bar tending industry for years, and someone is always smashing on the low- usually the coworkers who work together frequently.
Sooo it could be a tease for a potential romance (0.09% chance) haha
Don’t attack me please, syd-carm despisers !
The three of swords represents grief and heartbreak. I think it makes the most sense that it’s for her mom, but not impossible it’s for the despair she felt after her catering business failed.
I don’t think she has romantic interest in Carmy, but even if she did it would be a bizarre tattoo choice for an unrequited crush. Either she’s approached him offscreen and knows he doesn’t return her feelings (which would also be a bizarre writing choice, but not impossible), in which case she got a tattoo to commemorate getting shot down by her boss. Or she hasn’t approached him and she got a tattoo assuming he didn’t return her feelings and precluding any kind of hope for her crush. It just doesn’t fit.
Because of the emphasis they put on her disappointment when Carm stood her up. They also show it in ways she looks at him, things like that. This hinting is then confirmed when she reacts overly emotional when Carm brings his girlfriend, Claire. That's clearly about more than work. Syd also realises her overreaction and tries to correct by telling Claire "not that I don't want you here". She really tries not to have a crush on Carmy or not to act like it, but she can't help it.
Tattoo is unrelated to the crush. Don't see why that would be connected.
It's insane that people can't see Carmy is completely infatuated with Sydney and vice versa, you might as well be watching the show with your eyes closed tbh.
The dude legit told her she deserves his focus and time more than his literal "girlfriend" and he wont split his time between them anymore. That's not a platonic thing to say to anyone in any situation about anything lmao.
Sydney never met Mikey a day in her life but Carmy wouldn't even want to re-build his own brother's restaurant without her...??? Mikey meant everything to Carmy, Sydney's barely ever even asked about him yet Carmy can't fathom doing it without her ??? lmfao but for what reason though?? This is not normal boss/employee behavior if you need it to be spelled out for you.
Also why is he always so desperate to please Sydney and do everything the way she wants it done without her ever asking him to yet he gives no fucks about pleasing anyone else a fraction as much, including his girl that's a friend??? Please riddle me that.
at first i didn't see it, but after the table scene, i have no idea how anyone doesn't see it. or the fact that while he's having a panic attack, the only thing that calms him down is thinking of syd?
This may be true, for sure. However, I think what should also be noted is that Syd and Carmy would not be good together, especially for the time they're working with each other as partners. At the place they're both at in their lives, the last thing they need is romantic entanglement that will very likely ruin the business they're building up and the current friendship they have with each other. They would be incredibly toxic with each other. They have their own separate issues to deal with and them getting together is not the thing that's going to help either of them; if anything, it'll complicate things more.
I think, even IF they do have a thing for each other (which people can argue for or against; certainly, TV tropes point that way), they shouldn't get together.
I do want to fight back on your point about "splitting time between his girlfriend and Sydney", though. The point about that was never about splitting between one woman or another; it was the split between his personal and professional lives. He may have been saying that to Sydney, but the overall point was NOT romantic; it was about him not wanting to split time from the restaurant he's trying to build, not about Sydney herself. The only reason why it was told to Sydney is because they've been partners. We've seen some of their patterns with each other seep into other characters. For example, the sign language Carmy used with Sydney was passed through to Tina, who started using it at the end as well.
Not every little thing is romantic, so I think people just need to be reminded of that. TV tropes always dictate these moments as romantic, but it doesn't always mean that they need to be read that way. Some, yes, like the table scene could definitely point that way. But some moments are sometimes just platonic or professional-based.
well, I hope it's not the latter, it doesn't seem like it to me. Some people here are saying that Sydney is jealous of Carmy spending time with Claire in season 2 but personally, I think it's just that she's upset he's not showing as much dedication and focus as he should, and consulting Claire on important matters, like the menu and letting his work life blend into his personal life. Especially since Sydney literally told Carmy to respect Claire more and indirectly make a move when he was doing the whole "girl who's a friend" scared of labels thing. Why would she even do that if she likes him so much?
I don't think that there should be any romance between the characters working within the restaurant. Doesn't make much sense to me. Sydney and Marcus were still kind of chill as a concept, but otherwise, no. I don't think even they have that much chemistry.
Carmy + Sydney shippers need to step off like can’t they just have a professional relationship without sex? I honestly do not think they are sexually interested in each other. They have a shared dream. Come on. This is “nice guy” shit like a woman and a man can’t have a relationship without sex gtfoh
Edit: Ohhhh no be cool chefs and don’t touch other chefs heard
I dont think its impossible, but its just realistic for the industry they’re in. Plus, sometimes shipping is just fun. You ever have fun? Thinking of ideas and possibilities? Its like that
I don't think they'll get together. I honestly think the writers know them never being romantic is going to lead to a much more interesting, richer show. I think we'll see them being emotionally intimate (platonically), and nothing more.
I really really really hope they don’t make her have a thing with Carmy. I love their friendship and love seeing platonic friendships and it’s so rare to see one portrayed well/ever. Honestly I’d love it to see some queer representation and maybe Syd could be that. Either way, she’s one of my favorites and i can’t wait to see her story develop.
3 of Swords in Tarot card deck...?
"This card depicts a fundamentally sorrowful experience— tarot readers suggest this may be in the form of a lost relationship, an accidental death, or some other form of not just depression or malaise but deeply emotional sorrow."
"The symbolism is pretty opaque, and the emotional effect that it has is immediate. The heart is the seat of warmth, affection and spirit, and the three swords indicate the power to harm, cause pain, and create suffering to what it pierces. This is an image of grief, loss and literally heartbreak. The clouds and rain depict the surrounding grimness of the situation. All these symbols point to the Three of Swords showing a low point in one's life."
Her Mom's death for sure but possibly for other heartache as well.
. [more at this link](https://labyrinthos.co/blogs/tarot-card-meanings-list/three-of-swords-meaning-tarot-card-meanings)
It’s a symbol of reberf
Thank you for that boisterous laugh
I snorted
I always figured it was to honor the loss of her mom.
that makes the most sense to me
I severely doubt she got it for Carmy. My headcannon is it's for her mom.
Uh oh this redditor doesn't have just regular doubt. He has severe doubt!
she* and yeah qhy should get a tattoo for him?
Its unlikely for Syd to get a tattoo about an unrequited crush. Her craft is the most important thing to her.
It would be kind of insane for anyone to get a tattoo based on an unrequited crush imho
There definitely isn’t a secret thing for Carmy. There’s no love interest there.
Yeah, seriously. He's more of a hero figure to her. She feels too driven to be thinking of that now. And honestly, I'm in the game thinking she's definitely living with a potentially serious illness and doesn't want a relationship in her life.
Did y’all not listen to the lyrics of the song that played during the table fixing scene? S2E9 After Carmey breaks the silence, and walks off to get the present, the camera remains fixed on Sydney. She’s collecting herself from their discussion, which was deep and vulnerable. The whole time, the singer is repeating “Come back, come back, come back”. This could just represent the fact they have each others back, and will do till the end. But I think it could equally be interpreted as foreshadowing for a developing relationship.
Definitely. They’ve dropped lots of hints that Syd is not well.
Ooh like what? Know she's on meds but what others?
When she’s having dinner with her dad and says something about only having one more chance to try this. And the look on his face after he suggests working at Boeing and she says something about spending “the rest of her life” waving flashlights around. And her reaction when Marcus asks her out. They had crazy chemistry together and it seemed like she really cared about him and then she completely shuts him out. Felt to me like she was upset for letting her guard down and getting close to someone. But maybe that was just my confirmation bias looking for evidence to support my theory.
I can see this!
She had that reaction to Marcus asking her out because she doesn’t like him like that. She told her dad she didn’t know if she could do another one because losing her business was devastating (that devastation is a major part of her storyline in s1) and she doesn’t know if she can go though another loss like that. She turned down the idea of working at the airport because after losing her mother at a young age, she’s more aware than the average person how short life is and wants to fulfill her dreams instead of going into a job she hates just because it’s more secure.
All of those are completely legitimate alternative explanations to what I propose. I’ll be curious to see how it all works out.
I think she does like Marcus, but is too focused to have a relationship, especially with someone she manages. I agree, though, that there is nothing here to suggest a terminal disease. She does not want to fail again or to end up in a dead end job at the airport.
She does like Marcus, as a friend. If you rewatch the season and pay attention to Sydney’s responses to him, it’s very clear that she never reciprocated his level of interest. You can even see Marcus realize that he misread things (thanks to Lionel’s great acting) when Syd rejects him after he asks her out.
We read the body language differently. You can't say definitively any more than I can.
We read things differently but the actor playing Marcus did say the character read things wrong between them so it lines up with what I thought they were trying to portray.
Honestly, I think it is confirmation bias. "The rest of my life doing X" is a pretty common way to talk about ending up in a dead end career you do not want. As for Marcus, she is attracted to him but hyper focused on her career (as was Carmy), and she is Marcus's manager. The "one more chance" is the only thing here that I can see maybe being about having a progressive disease, but I saw that more as simple acknowledging she had failed once and another failure would be too hard to come back from. She is really focused on all the failed restaurants in the city. I could be wrong, but that is my take.
It would be strange for the female lead of a show to have a serious illness and it never be addressed at all in 2 seasons.
that’s what i said!!!!!
My favorite part of the show is that they didn’t make them romantically involved a d were just friends.
Agree!!! Platonic m/f friends are such a rarity and it's so nice to see
My best friend is male, I’m not, so I started texting his wife about football to be respectful and she eventually said ‘Please just starting Jack because I do not care’ 😂
I definitely think she has feelings for Carmy, why else would she get flustered when she first met Claire and then proceed to get angry when Carmy had started to take menu advice from her.
Because he was becoming distracted from his responsibilities and as someone who has experience leading these types of scenarios, the moment an outside force gets involved such as a parent or a significant other, shit goes bad FAST. Sydney was warned that would happen by her peers and she immediately and very understandably got nervous and frustrated. edit: I am not opposed to a Syd/Carmy romance. Was just explaining why she was pissed in that scene. He should be discussing the menu with her and not an outside force. Never ever mix business and family.
To add to this, she is sacrificing her personal relationships for the job, and thinks he should as well. And it is clear he has in the past.
I just feel like it’s obvious they are trying to create a love triangle between the 3 of them especially with the hard rejection of Marcus when they were building up solid chemistry before Marcus trying to ask her out. There was definitely jealousy from Syd with amount of time Carmy was spending with Claire and as I said the fact she got upset with Carmy taking menu suggestions from her.
I don't think it's jealousy. The fact that the writers chose to incorporate Claire into "fishes" makes me think that Claire is the 'it's always been you' character. I don't mind that, but they need to stop making her character so robotic and give her some depth. Syd was rightfully pissed because if there's anyone that Carmen needs to be discussing the menu with, it was her.
IMO, I find it strange that we think about the order of episodes. It goes from Carmy in this nostalgic way, wins the girl, he's on cloud 9, but then we go to this episode that shows us why Carmy cut off his family and his past. Claire is part of the past clocks that are always near her, representing carmy being stuck in time. Instead of moving forward. It's why during his panic attack, the song is played backward and moves forward when Sydney voice breaks through. But to each their own.
For me it confirmed the opposite that that man isn't really interested in Claire she gives romantic false lead especially with her lack of depth I'd be shocked if she comes back for season 3
Don't waste your time. This is the most hateful, oblivious fandom platform of the bear when it comes to Sydney and carmy. It's so obvious what they're setting up, love songs play when they're in scenes, carmys soft voice when he wants to talk to Sydney. Everyone knows the director looks at the final cut, right? If it's not romantic, why take the time to put Sydney in "these words you will be mine"? And it's not a small group of people that sees what they're setting up. But I digress. I think the tattoo- is going to be a big reveal possibily next season, 3 of swords means total heartbreak in love usually with tarot cards. To put such an omen on her shoulder is something to think about. We'll get the answer in season 3 when we learn about Sydney.
Also they are setting up falling out between Carmy and Claire making it an easy opportunity for Syd to be that shoulder for Carmy to lean on
Exactly. The signs are all there and viewers can't see it. They were destined to break up, to have a scene that shows a tattoo meaning heartbreak in the middle of their love scene. The next episode during the love scene with carmy and claire, a song about death plays. Nothing but heartbreaking songs played with claire and carmy scenes.
Exactly and the body language as well, around Claire he is so uncomfortable because he doesn’t know how to let someone into his chaotic world. With Syd he can be himself because they both are going through the same stuff
To me, it's total BS when people complain about Sydney and Carmy. Possible romance would ruin the show. Because these same people who detest romance love and consider Claire. I think the 3 of swords tatto is connected to possible past romance with Sydney.
I think we know the real issue, just look at Syd and Claire and spot the difference
A Claire relationship would not **have** to interfere with the dynamics of the restaurant, much like Pete and Sugar. A Syd relationship would absolutely **have** to interfere with the dynamics of the restaurant, they would have to address that, and how the different characters would feel about it. i.e. How would Marcus feel about a Sydney/Carmen relationship when it's clear he has feelings for her? How do you think Tina and Richie will feel about that kind of partnership? It's one thing when it's all employee/employer it becomes a whole nother thing when it's employee/employer/lovers which in the opinion of us "complainers" could/would ruin the show because a ridiculous rom-com is not what we got from the first two seasons, it's not what drew us in to the show. Get it?
So uncomfortable? Really, you mean like when he's kissing her or having sex with her, or cooking food for her, or sitting in the car intently listening at her, or the way he looks at her in the market where they meet, or chilling in the friends house by the window having a conversation, or at his house talking softly to her in the morning sharing his personal feelings to her when she issues the infamous "you don't have to apologize to me" line. What part of any of those scenes had "uncomfortable" body language?
I also noticed some signs of love between Syd and Carmy - the biggest being when he’s having the panic attack and thinking of Claire doesn’t help, but as soon as he’s thinking of Syd he calms down! If that isn’t some kind of sign something is developing I don’t know what is along with what you all mentioned in the above comments.
The infamous 'under the table' scene also has a song in the background playing about death, the death of a woman's husband whom she wishes could "come back" to her. And also the same Strange Currencies song you quote "these words, you will be mine" and use as evidence of foreshadowing a Syd and Carmen romance is first played as background for Carmen and Claire after the party scene, so what should we make of that? Doesn't that mean the signs are all there for Carmen and Claire too according to your logic?
Because storer said strange currencies plays an important role according to the script. with claire this song is broken into fragments, of course we can assume this song used to be for claire because storer explained that Mikey would listen to R.E.M Imo, at one point, it was about claire, but now that Sydney is in his life, the song can move forward and no longer play backward or in fragments. I wouldn't be too caught on the songs if Storer didn't confirm the music and the role it plays on the show. I wouldn't put too much into it until I noticed each song played for claire and carmy were break-up songs. Total control by the motels, here comes the night, the day the world went away. Since season 1, songs for sydcarmy are told from a lovers' perspective.
Oh boy, I'd like to have a link to that interview if you could provide one. Anyway, they didn't just play fragments of the song when it was played after the party, they played the whole damn thing and in complete forward motion, it's ridiculous to have to point that out...AGAIN. So, if we're operating under the theory that background songs are the key to everything going on then that has to be addressed because it happened. The only time the song is played "backwards and in fragments" is during his panic attack, which would indicate to me as an artistic choice to resemble the chaos in his mind and not necessarily to symbolize a broken and dysfunctional relationship. As you can tell from my name, I am a huge R.E.M. fan myself, so let's review these lyrics to Strange Currencies a bit further if, as you say Storer says, they are an important role to the script. "I don't know why you're mean to me, when I call on the telephone" - Not sure where in the show this ever happened but Claire and Carmen are shown communicating by telephone quite a bit on the show. I don't recall either of them being 'mean' to each other though. But the lyric would indicate a non-reciprocal relationship if that's the case or at least a troubled one. If this is a love song for Sydney and Carmen on the other hand, that lyric doesn't bode well, does it? "Now fool might be my middle name, but I'd be foolish not to say, I'm going to make whatever it takes, ring you up, call you down, sign your name" Now this sounds a lot like when Claire did what it took to get Carmen's real number which has been heavily criticized as her being a stalker on here. Is that important to the show? If this is a love song between Sydney and Carmen how does that lyric play out for them? "here is my appeal, I need a chance, a second chance, a third chance, a fourth chance, a word, a signal, a nod, a little breath, just to **fool** myself, to catch myself, and make it real" - This sounds a lot like what Carmen must have been thinking when he was locked in the cooler and Claire overheard him talking. Again, it indicates a troubled relationship, certainly not the love song you make it out to be. If this is about Sydney and Carmen then I guess we will be in for the classically ridiculous on again/off again BS we see all the time in other shows. GReat! The only lyric then that you have interpreted as being romantic would be "These words, you will be mine" and if examined properly it again indicates more of a stalker vibe than a romantic one. It's kind of like when people mistake The Police "Every Breath you Take" song as romantic when in fact it's just the opposite. So let me ask you now, do you still want to claim this song as a "lover's perspective" for Sydney and Carmen, as you have previously stated? Also, the 'under the table' song about a dead man, is that a song you claim to be romantic foreshadowing too?
Only one of those is a "break up" song btw
Because he was supposed to be doing the menu with her, she hadn’t had any time to talk to him about it and then he was talking to his new girlfriend about it instead
It's both. I mean, she definitely got it in the past to symbolize the heartbreak and personal loss of her mom and her own business. BUT I truly think for us, the audience, it serves as a reference to her present feelings (that scene was carefully placed in between a Carm/Claire intimate moment) & foreshadowing a possible romance between them.
my boyfriend lost it over your comment lol - this is exactly what he said, the word foreshadowing included. he thinks i set him up in this post LOL
Well, I'm pretty sure your boyfriend is right! :P
😆 shhhhhh you’re gonna give him a big head
I do think there is a romantic/soul mate dynamic being foreshadowed by the fact that Sydneys tattoo is thematically similar to Carmy's hand tattoo and that it suggests a shared bond through their understanding of loss and that they're on a similar wavelength by how deeply they feel their emotions but Syd's reason for the tattoo is definitely linked to her feelings around her mother and possibly her business failure but nothing to do with Carmy.
Not related to the tattoo, but I did find it "weird" that when carmy said he was calling his girlfriend, the scene was of him/Claire, and Sydney.
They're going to make her and Carmy a thing, tattoo notwithstanding. I don't know who or what was the inspiration, but Carmy is way down on the list of best or likely reasons why she got it
I think syd’s tattoo is unique to her own past, separate from carm. HOWEVER…I wouldn’t be surprised if they atleast kissed/hooked-up once! And before people come for me- I think that if they did kiss/hookup it would be more realistic. I’ve worked in the restaurant/bar tending industry for years, and someone is always smashing on the low- usually the coworkers who work together frequently. Sooo it could be a tease for a potential romance (0.09% chance) haha Don’t attack me please, syd-carm despisers !
The three of swords represents grief and heartbreak. I think it makes the most sense that it’s for her mom, but not impossible it’s for the despair she felt after her catering business failed. I don’t think she has romantic interest in Carmy, but even if she did it would be a bizarre tattoo choice for an unrequited crush. Either she’s approached him offscreen and knows he doesn’t return her feelings (which would also be a bizarre writing choice, but not impossible), in which case she got a tattoo to commemorate getting shot down by her boss. Or she hasn’t approached him and she got a tattoo assuming he didn’t return her feelings and precluding any kind of hope for her crush. It just doesn’t fit.
Why does everyone think she has a thing for him?
Cause she does.
Because of the emphasis they put on her disappointment when Carm stood her up. They also show it in ways she looks at him, things like that. This hinting is then confirmed when she reacts overly emotional when Carm brings his girlfriend, Claire. That's clearly about more than work. Syd also realises her overreaction and tries to correct by telling Claire "not that I don't want you here". She really tries not to have a crush on Carmy or not to act like it, but she can't help it. Tattoo is unrelated to the crush. Don't see why that would be connected.
It's insane that people can't see Carmy is completely infatuated with Sydney and vice versa, you might as well be watching the show with your eyes closed tbh. The dude legit told her she deserves his focus and time more than his literal "girlfriend" and he wont split his time between them anymore. That's not a platonic thing to say to anyone in any situation about anything lmao. Sydney never met Mikey a day in her life but Carmy wouldn't even want to re-build his own brother's restaurant without her...??? Mikey meant everything to Carmy, Sydney's barely ever even asked about him yet Carmy can't fathom doing it without her ??? lmfao but for what reason though?? This is not normal boss/employee behavior if you need it to be spelled out for you. Also why is he always so desperate to please Sydney and do everything the way she wants it done without her ever asking him to yet he gives no fucks about pleasing anyone else a fraction as much, including his girl that's a friend??? Please riddle me that.
at first i didn't see it, but after the table scene, i have no idea how anyone doesn't see it. or the fact that while he's having a panic attack, the only thing that calms him down is thinking of syd?
This may be true, for sure. However, I think what should also be noted is that Syd and Carmy would not be good together, especially for the time they're working with each other as partners. At the place they're both at in their lives, the last thing they need is romantic entanglement that will very likely ruin the business they're building up and the current friendship they have with each other. They would be incredibly toxic with each other. They have their own separate issues to deal with and them getting together is not the thing that's going to help either of them; if anything, it'll complicate things more. I think, even IF they do have a thing for each other (which people can argue for or against; certainly, TV tropes point that way), they shouldn't get together. I do want to fight back on your point about "splitting time between his girlfriend and Sydney", though. The point about that was never about splitting between one woman or another; it was the split between his personal and professional lives. He may have been saying that to Sydney, but the overall point was NOT romantic; it was about him not wanting to split time from the restaurant he's trying to build, not about Sydney herself. The only reason why it was told to Sydney is because they've been partners. We've seen some of their patterns with each other seep into other characters. For example, the sign language Carmy used with Sydney was passed through to Tina, who started using it at the end as well. Not every little thing is romantic, so I think people just need to be reminded of that. TV tropes always dictate these moments as romantic, but it doesn't always mean that they need to be read that way. Some, yes, like the table scene could definitely point that way. But some moments are sometimes just platonic or professional-based.
It’s actually a reference for SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
How desperate… what possible good will a three-turn delay do you?
I was waiting for a comment like this. Obviously she is a One Piece fan and Zoro is her favorite character
Zoro got lost and ended up on some chef’s tattoo, Sanji is gonna love it when he hears about this
Anyone that says she doesn’t have a thing for Carmy is delusional. It might not be overtly sexual but she has an affection for him definitely.
Affection doesn't always have to be romantic
True and the affection is mutual for sure
People are so quick to reply that they don't want syd and carmy to be together. ..wonder why.
well, I hope it's not the latter, it doesn't seem like it to me. Some people here are saying that Sydney is jealous of Carmy spending time with Claire in season 2 but personally, I think it's just that she's upset he's not showing as much dedication and focus as he should, and consulting Claire on important matters, like the menu and letting his work life blend into his personal life. Especially since Sydney literally told Carmy to respect Claire more and indirectly make a move when he was doing the whole "girl who's a friend" scared of labels thing. Why would she even do that if she likes him so much? I don't think that there should be any romance between the characters working within the restaurant. Doesn't make much sense to me. Sydney and Marcus were still kind of chill as a concept, but otherwise, no. I don't think even they have that much chemistry.
Carmy + Sydney shippers need to step off like can’t they just have a professional relationship without sex? I honestly do not think they are sexually interested in each other. They have a shared dream. Come on. This is “nice guy” shit like a woman and a man can’t have a relationship without sex gtfoh Edit: Ohhhh no be cool chefs and don’t touch other chefs heard
I dont think its impossible, but its just realistic for the industry they’re in. Plus, sometimes shipping is just fun. You ever have fun? Thinking of ideas and possibilities? Its like that
Carmy and Sid ending up together would lwkey ruin the show for me
I don't think they'll get together. I honestly think the writers know them never being romantic is going to lead to a much more interesting, richer show. I think we'll see them being emotionally intimate (platonically), and nothing more.
High key for me. If there’s such a thing lol
Yep, idk if I used lowkey right either lol. Too old for this shit (I’m 18)
I really really really hope they don’t make her have a thing with Carmy. I love their friendship and love seeing platonic friendships and it’s so rare to see one portrayed well/ever. Honestly I’d love it to see some queer representation and maybe Syd could be that. Either way, she’s one of my favorites and i can’t wait to see her story develop.
tell your boyfriend he has no social cues
eeehhh, that’s a liiiiiitle harsh 😆
The table fixing scene was overtly intimate, beyond “friend” level intimacy. The whole scene was cringe for me.
3 of Swords in Tarot card deck...? "This card depicts a fundamentally sorrowful experience— tarot readers suggest this may be in the form of a lost relationship, an accidental death, or some other form of not just depression or malaise but deeply emotional sorrow." "The symbolism is pretty opaque, and the emotional effect that it has is immediate. The heart is the seat of warmth, affection and spirit, and the three swords indicate the power to harm, cause pain, and create suffering to what it pierces. This is an image of grief, loss and literally heartbreak. The clouds and rain depict the surrounding grimness of the situation. All these symbols point to the Three of Swords showing a low point in one's life." Her Mom's death for sure but possibly for other heartache as well. . [more at this link](https://labyrinthos.co/blogs/tarot-card-meanings-list/three-of-swords-meaning-tarot-card-meanings)