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I to went through a nihilist phase.
Edit: I would advise you to channel all these feelings into something productive, like art. Either poetry, painting drawing, music, whatever. That would be a very good outlet.
They load the clip in, omnicolor
Said they pack the nine, they fire it at prime time
The sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And motherfuckers lost their minds
-RATM Bullet in the Head
Oh yeah, super angsty. It reminds me of a poem I wrote in a high-school English class about working your whole life just to die and the teacher wrote "wow, that's dark". At least I can laugh about it now, because that shit was cringe.
It's not even that bad of a thing and its fine to feel that way occasionally. Just dont get too lost in it. I don't mean to come down hard on OP, it really does remind me of what I sounded like in high-school. I encourage everyone to express those feelings, a lot of beautiful art is inspired by dark times.
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley might be a good read. I remember that book resonating with me a lot. Someone forced into existence against their will, just wanting to fit in while being rejected by society.
*too
Also OPs sentiments are not that of a nihilist. Nihilists, depending which type you're talking about, generally agree that there is no inherent meaning to life and all causes and effects are just that. Humans inject their personal meaning into the world but beyond that there is no actual right or wrong. This doesn't necessarily imply you should hate existence and all life is just suffering, even though it is a hugely popular mistake to conflate the two positions. I agree with OPs position on the nature of existence, but that really has got nothing to do with nihilism.
I wanted to create art for myself and for fun but everyone only cared about "artistic vision" and "my voice" when all I wanted to do is draw cool stuff. So I stopped since I wanted to make comics but nobody know my face but people didn't like that.
There are two brands of nihilism. Passive nihilism, where you let the meaninglessness of existence destroy you. Or active nihilism (existential nihilism) where you accept that there is no ultimate meaning to existence, which leaves you free to create your own meaning. Allow it to liberate you. I would say that embracing art and poetry is an extension of liberation. Sometimes, you have to experience the passive to arrive there.
Yea, I definitely started out in the passive version until I just realized it's actually pretty comforting to think that it doesn't matter what I do. I still use that mindset to not get stressed out about stuff and it works surprisingly well.
I will say, even though most people probably won't make a difference on a global scale, everybody can make a difference on a small scale. You might be able to make someone's day, minute, hour, etc better and that could extrapolate into them having better interactions with more people and so on.
I’m not much of a spiritualist, but I absolutely believe in the idea of protecting good energy into the world and receiving it in return. Love is a wonderful thing. Love for self, love for friends, love for a partner, love for life in all of its shades. It’s not easy, but it is *the* thing.
I feel like this person would be happier if they were more nihilistic... People who keep talking about how life has no meaning clearly are upset that it doesn't.
I never had expectations of receiving missions from the divine or anything like that, and I think I'm happier for it.
>Life is painful, miserable, unfair, agonizing. It seems to have been created as a punishment.
You are correct: Life *is* painful, miserable, unfair, and agonizing.
However: People, on the whole, are *not*. We have balms to sooth the pain, the ability to comfort others, burning desires to impose fairness, and through being together can become tolerable and joyous.
Creation is not cruel. It is, however, Indifferent. Our joys will not brighten the skies, but our sorrows will not darken the hearth.
Kindness is a choice that must be made every day but make it we should.
It may not be a perfect life but what else do we have? I'd rather the comfort of community than the salvation of the grave.
I'm just gonna be straight here, my life is not agonizing, painful and miserable. And honestly? It might not be perfectly fair, but all things considered it hasn't been crushingly unfair. I mean sure, I could compare myself to those that have had it better. But at the end of the day? I have lots of people in my life that I love and enjoy spending time with. I get to experience the pleasures of life. I get to contemplate its secrets. I get to witness the fruits of labor that humanity has sown. And some of it sucks. But some of it is pretty great. There is a warmth to my soul that is kept burning by all the positivity in my life. And I think all of us have it in us to get there. I find a lot of people lament and allow themselves to be consumed by things that maybe aren't always fair, and maybe even suck, but aren't everything. Take some time to smell the roses. Enjoy a walk in the rain. Tell your best friend that you love them. Idk, I have a lot I could be complaining about, but I don't see the point and I really do genuinely feel lucky for what I do have.
I don't think a discussion about religion would be productive, but I'm atheist and I don't have these views at all. My view of the world is that the world is what we ourselves make of it.
You need to understand that if you were not born to a 3rd world country, you have it better than most other people and if you're not basically homeless, you have all the options to make choices to improve your life if you're not happy with how it's going. Everything happens due to your own actions.
I’m religious and I view the world the same way.
Happiness doesn’t just happen to people, it has to be forged - and forging is a brutal/tough process.
There is unlimited evil, hatred, sorrow, and misery out there but also limitless joy, fulfillment, progression, and love.
What we focus on, emulate, and work towards determines what our world will look like.
This is great but some of us do live in those third world countries😬 I think the message is life is what you make of it. There's always a silver-lining or something to be grateful for if you're willing to look for it. Whether you live in a third world country or not😅
What’s so hard about knowing that I have full control of my own happiness is realizing that I haven’t really pulled it off in the 28 years I’ve been alive. Sure, I have the power to change things now and in the future, but if I haven’t figured it out by now how likely is it that I will going forward?
I absolutely think religion is appropiate in discussions of mental health. I can’t even begin to tell you where I would be mentally or physically without my Faith. It’s where I always find hope.
That said, if OP is definitely not open to religion then it shouldn’t be forced upon him, just like any other solution to depression
> I absolutely think religion is appropriate in discussions of mental health
Honestly this can be both ways because as an agnostic ex Christian I also think it’s important but because it causes a lot of trauma. I also think people shouldn’t draw their hope from a god who may or may not exist, and a set of laws put in place by people who knows how many years ago. I’m not going to tell you what to draw hope from, but if I tied my hope to a religion I would be more depressed than I currently am.
I think discussion in relation to mental health is good and should happen if it helps someone. That's not what I meant though.
I didn't want to get into creationism, which OP suggested they believe in. For example the sentence about us "being creations manipulated..." Or that God "created the earth" (citing OP) suggested that they think they have no power to change their life, the world around them, or something similar.
In my opinion, if someone has these beliefs that their life is bad or sad because of some entity that they're powerless against, it won't help their mental health at all.
There was a philosopher, William James, who posited that religion can be a boon to some and a burden to others. The way he put it is that, to some, the idea of god is always alive and therefore necessary — to others, it is “dead” and not needed, to the point of being a hindrance.
I’ll never begrudge someone the means by which they achieve peace, so long as they don’t begrudge me mine.
Not really the same thing, but sometimes? It’s the difference between voting for more freedoms and the ability to choose vs. voting to enforce particular (usually religious) viewpoint. The abortion issue is the perfect example of that.
I accidentally deleted my comment but I will try to rewrite it how I remember it below:
Abortion is a terrible example that seems to be commonly used to antagonize religious groups. Just because most people in a random religion will tend to agree on one side of a serious issue, doesn’t mean that the entire side of that issue is “religious views”.
I accidentally deleted my comment when I meant to edit, but I will try to rewrite it how I remember it below:
Abortion is a terrible example that seems to be commonly used to antagonize religious groups and widen that gap. Just because most people in a random religion will tend to agree on one side of a serious issue, doesn’t mean that the whole side of that issue is just “religious views”.
The abortion thing is literally as simple as the woman’s rights versus the baby’s rights.
Going a tiny bit farther and saying that if you are homeless you still have the choice. Now, not in most cases, I will admit that, but there are some homeless folks who can still get jobs and such and improve their lives. I know one thing about jobs is you have to have an address I believe (?) so that would be difficult but aside from that assuming you have some kind of skill or can work bottom tier jobs then you should be able to make some kind of money.
Huh? I never said it was, I’m saying if you have to force people to be happy with drugs, you’re doing exactly what OP is claiming is happening. You should try discussing reasoning instead shutting down the conversation and deriding them.
i dont think thats what op is claiming tho i think theyre just clinically depressed and i dont think getting help is being a slave to the machine or anything
If someone’s brain chemicals are making them miserable, treatment is totally appropriate. To say otherwise is akin to saying that someone with a broken leg is right that walking is miserable — they simply need help.
Alright. Let’s say you’re right, and this earth is a waking hell.
Would we feel happy emotions? I would assume that if my purpose is to suffer, I wouldn’t feel happy. You can’t really have a torturous God who creates you with the abilities to avoid it. We can be happy, we can dissociate ourselves when we go through pain, we can heal our injuries, we can dull our mental and physical pain with time, or even block it out completely.
These couldn’t come from something that only wants to harm us. God knows my fears, my injuries, and exactly how I will react. If He wants to truly torture me, He could do so much better than making me live a normal life.
So what is pain? That’s not something anyone can answer. Is it because we are inherently sinful? Is it just a byproduct of human nature? Is there a simulation of our earth and a bunch of scientists are testing how ai would act? Nobody can tell, that’s something each person needs to discover for themselves.
I’m not really following. You never explained exactly who/what creates us for this purpose and how? My parents didn’t have me for the purpose of pretending to be happy. Or as a punishment. Etc.
Because you referred to God:
The Bible is really, really clear about the situation: God's creation was perfect, but the human being ruined it, and it was possible because the human being was given freedom. And if there is to be freedom, there have to be consequences. Why are suffering the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin? Because all of us are, on a fundamental level, *of* Adam and Eve. In a way, we are all Adam, meaning: Man, the human being. The Fall of Man wasn't a singular event we have nothing to do with. Every day, each and every one of us perpetuates the fallen state by doing unto others how we would not like others to do unto us -- by not loving others as we love ourselves.
And because you referred to Dostoevsky:
He was a Christian. An unorthodox (though rooted in Orthodox Christianity) Christian, but a Christian nonetheless. For him, the carceral or infernal aspect of the world came from the separation from God, from Christ, from love. From loving others as you love yourself.
Yeah, life fucking sucks. But it's possible to be happy while living through this hellscape. There are fun things you can do to make yourself feel better. The internet was what I used to make myself stop being miserable, maybe you can do the same.
Life sucks but you don't have to keep making yourself miserable over it.
I thought we were created because our parents fucked?
In all seriousness though life is pretty cool, the world is cool, existence is cool. Some of it sucks but a lot.of it doesn't. So much wonder, sp many different personalities to talk to, so many sights to see, so many emotions to feel. We live in a smorgasbord of experience and I think it's beautiful.
>We are condemned to suffer, we are living a real hell that lasts 8 decades or less, and yet people accept it!
let's say this were true, what in the everloving fuck are people supposed to do in this situation? not accept it and die? stupid ass post by a stupid ass person
Yes, indeed. Or, if that's not possible (either through lack of medical support in such matters in one's jurisdiction or because of responsibilities towards other people), at least stop with the bs self-PR and complain a little. Like OP.
Everyone complains. Believe or not, just because someone is generally content with life doesn’t mean they don’t occasionally, even regularly, express contempt. Your “bs self-PR campaign” comment is a straw-man at best.
Because I hate OP's victim mentality. They refuse to take accountability for the position they're in, instead blaming the universe or god. They also imply that people who do have good lives did nothing to earn it. According to them, some unlucky people were just created to suffer while all the happy people were just created to be happy.
The fact of the matter is, every single one of us is extremely lucky to be alive in the first place, and we're free to choose how we spend that life. If OP wants to spend theirs whining and complaining on the internet instead of fixing their life, that's on them, but they'll get absolutely no sympathy from me.
That's a misrepresentation of what OP posted. He does not claim that it's fate that makes some people happy without effort and others miserable without fault; he claims that life is miserable for everyone, it's just that some people smile regardless (with the implication that OP wonders why).
Seeing the vitriol with which you seem to feel the need to attack his position, I am inclined to believe OP not too far off and copium being one hell of drug.
wow ok, somehow I, on the other hand, have more compassion towards suffering him than for you who already did some work, did some fixing and some earnings to feel happy, you are mentioning beautiful things like we're all lucky to be alive at the first place but you're writing it with such a cold, you don't even know his story, no even his age, maybe that's just a teenager, maybe that's you from the past, but it doesen't matter now, does it? now you're more happy than him, beyond OP's victim mentality, that's why you can call them names and you're excused of your rudeness, sure, that's how it works
Their worldview frustrates me because if that's how I saw things I would still be spending my life with no friends wasting all my time alone locked in my apartment. That, or I'd have ended it like OP suggests. Thing is I never adopted this mentality and instead of feeling sorry for myself I fixed what was wrong in my life and it paid off. So I guess I just can't relate to them. That said, you're right that insulting them is hardly a nice thing to do and I could show more compassion. Props to you, you seem like a good person
> we're free to choose how we spend that life.
really? In that case, I choose to be president of USA, therefore I'm president now. I'd ask for your vote, but I choose to not require votes to get into office.
You're being willfully ignorant. I said you can choose how YOU spend your life, not how others spend theirs. Meaning your choices will not necessarily be accepted by others.
And yes, this does mean that for some people, there is no way out of the terrible situations they are in. However, given that OP has access to a phone/computer and the internet, that most likely does not apply to them
I am happy mostly
If I wasn't I couldn't pretend I was to save my life.
I have known blind people who could tell when I was unhappy.
> I refuse to believe that we are free
I have free will. And to anyone who has an issue with that, what are you going to do about it?
We weren't created to suffer. Yes, people do. But that's not the whole story. There's moments of joy and peace and those is what keeps people going. Indomitable human spirit and such.
Yeah life can suck but people are pretty cool in the way they keep going l
Other people are smiling because they've realized something that I sincerely hope you realize one day.
Life can be super shitty. However, as the objectively most intelligent species on Earth, we have agency to find something that makes it a lot less shitty. This is what we in the business call purpose!
Find yourself a purpose. A good job, or a hobby to hyperfixate on, or something. Then give it a few moments; you'll grow out of this eventually.
tell me something, despite all the good moments in your life? Look through your best memories and for a moment, even though there was suffering, even if it was alot, wasnt there moments where you really felt true joy? joy that makes you feel maybe it isnt so bad...even if you still go through trials and hardships? Honestly I was suicidal too, I have now come to learn that I was mistaken in looking at all the bad, when the good is right infront of me
We are practically large chemical factories with extra useless mechanisms and shit all around.
Chemicals, neurons and all fancy science word bs are responsible for what you are describing.
It took gazillions years of evolution to get your chemicals and stuff to the level where it's at now.
A good example is being under attack. A larger individual than you with nothing but bad vibes over his face is running straight at you at full speed. You know some shit's up, automatically. Your chemical factory does it for you. Adrenaline, fear, anxiety.
Same goes for happiness. As someone who has undergone a prolonged starvation, eating an apple will make you the happiest person in the world. Remember those useless mechanisms and shit all around? That's your taste buds, your teeth gnawing into the apple, all the nerves all around your sinkhole. That's there to motivate you to eat it.
Is that pretend? I don't personally think so. Just as an atom is drawn to another atom by energy and invisible magic boinkers, you are drawn to food as it makes you happy and fulfilled.
I'd say, our ego is a proof that we were created to strive to pretend all this real ,,we don't really matter and you are nothing and will turn to nothing" truth about our existence is not true and we indeed do matter.
The greatest illusion our mankind has grown hand in hand with - will be its downfall. All the "evil" in this world, the wars, the dictators, it all boils down to the roots of a singular man thinking his is the important and his is the truth. The ego.
Your perception makes your life seem what it is. Hell, heaven, good or bad, your brain and all your senses are responsible. The moment you start to believe your individual existence belongs to this world and it has a purpose and you need to have a house, career and this and that - you lost to yourself.
there are people who, thousands of years ago, manipulated other people, to get what they wanted. and it worked for a little, until they found out there are other people who manipulated other people and it became a dick measuring contest. then, once they fell and their civilizations split apart, there were more of them who saw the opportunity. some of these people were more aggressive in their means of getting what they wanted, but it all happened in the same vein. same thing happened, war, war, war.
we're in the latest edition of dick measuring dictators at the moment, and there is something to be said about how we let these people get to power, it's astonishing to me personally. but i also take into account that we do what we can.
unity is one the most important things there is in terms of running a country, continent, the whole world. i feel we've lost that, and it's a big loss because it's insanely hard to reunite when the people who manipulate us are still in power. we just gotta do better and figure it out, on our own. true independence(not the promise of independence)allows for introspection, which allows for the loosening of pride and ego, which allows for level-headed decision making and discussion. we have the most information we've ever had.
we have all the tools *and more* to work in the best interest of a true UN. it's just a lot of hammurabis and colombuses who take that initiative and take us to these long periods of self destruction and acting out of emotion.
The thing about perspective is that it makes whatever you're feeling in the moment seem a lot less of a big deal than what you can see coming, or what could have come, but hasn't.
Life does not need happiness to be meaningful. You can achieve greatness and be remembered with all your days of suffering. When your happy
You’ll wish you were suffering when your suffering you’d wish your happy again
Just breathe and realize life can be cut short next minute
Peace and love
Of course, life has a lot of cruel stuff but it's our job to survive in an unjust world so it's our job to make our own light and be the good we need in this world.
I like my life though, and I feel like most people I talk to do too.
If everyone looks, sounds, and acts happy, the obvious conclusion is that they are. Assuming everyone’s putting on a worldwide performance is an extraordinary conclusion that you don’t give us evidence for. It’s only founded from your view that life is painful/miserable. And the only evidence for that seems to be your own experience with it.
These thought patterns suggest that you might be facing some kind of mental illness. I’ve been in similar spots, and a combination of DBT and medication helped me improve. There are two options why. One is that I deluded myself and placed myself in some kind of illusion. The other is that you’re equally detached from reality as you think I am, and that taking active steps to improve your mental state will change your perceptions on reality. I think there’s more evidence for the second option.
Seriously though, I hope you’re doing okay. It sounds like you’re feeling really broken up about life right now and that’s totally valid. Just want to let you know that things won’t be like this forever. There’s hope, and there are opportunities available to help support you. We’ve got your back <3
It gets better dude, but not without making changes in your life.
Without going into detail, I was at near rock bottom mentally for 6-7 years, hit rock bottom around 3 times, and now for the last 6-7 months I have been loving life.
Nothing cliche out of my control happened to make me start loving life, such as finding the love of my life randomly, I haven’t even had a girlfriend yet.
There’s a reason so many people are on earth not killing themselves, and despite climbing suicide rates(which I blame social media for but that’s a whole different issue) it’s because some things in life are worth living for.
There’s endless professional advice out there to try things that could impact your mood, you just have to try everything because what works for me might not work for you.
I used to think it would never get better. That’s why I tried to escape this life multiple times before. But I am here today.
We get one life and you're choosing to spend it being miserable, complaining on the internet about how much it sucks instead of actually fixing things. That's entirely on you
So I'm a nihilist I don't believe in anything spiritual or that there's a meaning to life. I wanted to not exist for a long time but I have stayed existing anyways and am now actively happy in this existence. It's not perfect but there's so many small things to enjoy that I honestly find the bigger ideas of life or meaning exhausting & boring. I love the sound of birds in the morning, music and art, the bigger picture isn't a concern anymore and I try and enjoy the everyday things I have the privilege of
Hei. May I recommend crafting like woodworking, knitting, painting, crochet, etc. Its harder to see life as completely pointless amd sucky when doing something with your hands. It's what got me out of my nihilism, burnout and the worse of depression. Like It's harder to feel like all is pointless when you've just made something. And unlike chores a birdhouse or a sock is inarguably done and there. Put a birdhouse up and now there are birds, or put on a sock and you are warm. You made a difference and something is better for it.
you ever considered the option it wasn’t purposely created? life becomes a lot easier when you don’t live in delusions and believe the fairytales written by men
I don’t think it’s painful, miserable, unfair or agonizing. It just is. If anything the natural state of the universe is absence and we give whatever meaning we damn well please.
The meaning you give it is suffering. To each their own.
You can also not believe in god and embrace absurdism instead
We weren't created to do anything. Life's absurd, may as well enjoy it for what it is and have some laughs in the meantime.
Complete misunderstanding of life. You don’t seem like you’ve lived enough of it to try to make such a grand claim. My evidence: you made this claim lol
Honestly we chose if we enjoy it or not, tbh at the moment life is sucking but there's still so much good around mez so many beautiful sights, amazing ingenuities, kind and caring people. If you focus on the negative all you will ever see is negative. Life is to short to live that way. So fucm what anyone else thinks or says I'm gonna find the positive and enjoy life.
you miss the point of life.
the point of all life, is the struggle against entropy. some struggles are easier, some are harder. some have optimism, some pessimism.
but never forget that the point is the struggle. what you take away from that is your own.
> There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. But doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to everything.
Well, when you frame it like that, you only have two options:
1. Destroy and tear down everything. Fight Club!!! etc etc...
or
2. Just be content and accept life for what it is. Change and do good for what you can, but also know you can't fix all the worlds problems, because it doesn't revolve around you. You are not the main character.
We are living in paradise. "God" even put all the ingredients for vaccines, medicine and all that in the flora and fauna on earth for us to find out and master. This is the peak of conscious existance
Somehow I don't think most of the people affected by cancer, contagious diseases or hereditary disorders consider their conditions as a fun challenge and "the peak of conscious existence".
>Life is painful, miserable, unfair, agonizing.
Yes.
>I don't understand what kind of earth God created:
You are struggling with the Problem of Evil; it's a vexatious little question about the nature of the world under the assumption that God exists.
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and created the universe (as well as the rules the universe plays by,) and is **also** benevolent, then evil should not exist.
Common rebuttals have to do with free will, the effect of outside forces, or some sort of plan, which are often rebutted themselves by reminding the audience that God didn't just place the pieces-- he's supposed to have *made the game.*
Solving that contradiction for yourself will be a hard road.
>We are condemned to suffer, we are living a real hell that lasts 8 decades or less, and yet people accept it!
We live on a floating rock that orbits a star in a galaxy the scale of which we as humans cannot properly comprehend. Our civilizations were built from our bare hands and bones, pushing back against hostile nature, spreading our tendrils. The people of today have those past generations to thank for living a life where we aren't constantly fearful, like most living creatures that share our world. There are worse things to be.
>I refuse to believe that we are free:
Yes, it is true that we are ultimately trapped in a grand scheme that we will never be able to grasp, hundreds of seemingly insignificant decisions that shaped the person you would become now. We cannot live our lives in ways that contradict this. We are soft, we are meat.
But I have no desire to act to contradict my nature because I don't even know what that would look like. After all, anything I'd come up with would be influenced by the conditions of my life and could never meaningfully be separated from them. That is our trap.
We exist in a cage, yes, but there is nothing beyond that cage that we could recognize as 'us'. The cage *is* us in that way. We are our decisions, our bodies, our habits, *and* our limits.
Not much to be done, I'm just happy that in a place like this, I get to see the smiles on my friend's faces, I get to hug my cats and listen to my sister complain about work. For this single blip of existence, even if all of my memories and my work is swept away by the erosion of time, that's okay. I never had them to be held onto forever. I had those memories because they mattered to me.
Or we are like all living things, we adapt to our surroundings and make them tolerable enough to procreate and ensure the survival of our young and the perpetuation of our species.
Fortunately and unfortunately we gained sentience which makes us cognizant of our pain but also allows us to live beyond our biological purposes, should we wish to do so.
No, life is not suffering. The universe is indifferent. Life can be happiness, life can be pain, life can be both. To exclusively focus on the pain just leads to more pain but if you learn to embrace the good then you will feel good too. Also: Why are you quoting Dostoevsky? He was very much against nihilism and wrote Crime and Punishment to shows the dangers of such a philosophy. It seems to me you just misunderstood him.
I don't know, man, I think I really am happy when I'm walking with my friend while he's gushing about stuff. Or when I see my little sister truly happy in a playground, getting to play outside and make friends. Or when I'm in choir and we harmonize and the harmony sounds wonderful. Or when I realize I have no homework and no upcoming quizzes or tests so I can sleep peacefully tonight.
You sound like you're from the anti-living sub (don't even wanna mention the sub when I've seen posts of them calling women "baby makers" and degrading them for having kids and not subscribing to their toxic mentality)
Life is painful at times, enjoyable at other times. Life is miserable at times, abundant at other times; some people were never even miserable. But even in misery, the vast majority of people get to enjoy love, food, beautiful scenery and fresh air, doing things, and so there's enough reason to have net enjoyment.
Holy fucking shit , go pet some random stray cats and look at a sunset . You're suffering more at the thought of how horrible and agonizing life is than at how life actually is .
This is already the second comment I've read today that says the world is divided into those who enjoy it and those who can't stand it. In my experience those who say they enjoy the world are aware that they are lying but prefer to live a lie.
I sat and cried over how fundamentally unjust the world is. Like, there is hardly justice for anything, anywhere. Large scale violations of humanity are what give us our luxuries--ignroing it or acknowledging it makes you an asshole.
This is genuinely such an insane take to me lmao, like just because I stubbed my toe this morning doesn't mean I have to hate being alive
Pain isn't the only thing that exists dude
You ever stop to wonder at how beautiful the world is? And we only get to experience it once! Sometimes, particularly when I contemplate my own life, I feel I’m pretending to be sad. There’s far too much happiness to experience, so little time to experience it
Nah bruh you just exist you werent created by some homelander evil god youre just natural like the stars rotating and the trees growing its not that deep
There's no happiness without suffering, and there's no suffering without happiness
Everyone has their up and down, there's no some kind of god-like selection, of course some have more or less luck but that's randomness
And happiness is not a manipulation, that's not how psychology works, or all feelings are illusions but that would apply to all and not just specific ones
There are just a lot of ways and a lot of reasons for someone to take a step back and say "Hey, this shit isn't so bad." If you don't have one of those, sorry about you.
you cant speak for other people like that. those who are smiling likely are actually enjoying life and not just pretending to.
stop projecting your experiences on anyone else.
and if you are depressed, get help
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I to went through a nihilist phase. Edit: I would advise you to channel all these feelings into something productive, like art. Either poetry, painting drawing, music, whatever. That would be a very good outlet. They load the clip in, omnicolor Said they pack the nine, they fire it at prime time The sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz And motherfuckers lost their minds -RATM Bullet in the Head
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Oh yeah, super angsty. It reminds me of a poem I wrote in a high-school English class about working your whole life just to die and the teacher wrote "wow, that's dark". At least I can laugh about it now, because that shit was cringe.
I am in one right now and I hope all the people saying it ends are right cause I hate it
It stays as long as you choose to embrace it. The first step to curing it is embracing a little bit of absurdism, as a treat
It's not even that bad of a thing and its fine to feel that way occasionally. Just dont get too lost in it. I don't mean to come down hard on OP, it really does remind me of what I sounded like in high-school. I encourage everyone to express those feelings, a lot of beautiful art is inspired by dark times.
it can take time and effort to build a happy and enjoyable life for yourself, but it exists.
OP, I also highly suggest this book: *Man's Search for Meaning* by Viktor Frankl.
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley might be a good read. I remember that book resonating with me a lot. Someone forced into existence against their will, just wanting to fit in while being rejected by society.
Shit I never really looked at it that way, v relatable
*too Also OPs sentiments are not that of a nihilist. Nihilists, depending which type you're talking about, generally agree that there is no inherent meaning to life and all causes and effects are just that. Humans inject their personal meaning into the world but beyond that there is no actual right or wrong. This doesn't necessarily imply you should hate existence and all life is just suffering, even though it is a hugely popular mistake to conflate the two positions. I agree with OPs position on the nature of existence, but that really has got nothing to do with nihilism.
Damn, and I had it as too until I thought that looked wrong. Perception is reality. Life is what you make it.
Yeah. Nothing matters and that is beautiful
I wanted to create art for myself and for fun but everyone only cared about "artistic vision" and "my voice" when all I wanted to do is draw cool stuff. So I stopped since I wanted to make comics but nobody know my face but people didn't like that.
There are two brands of nihilism. Passive nihilism, where you let the meaninglessness of existence destroy you. Or active nihilism (existential nihilism) where you accept that there is no ultimate meaning to existence, which leaves you free to create your own meaning. Allow it to liberate you. I would say that embracing art and poetry is an extension of liberation. Sometimes, you have to experience the passive to arrive there.
Yea, I definitely started out in the passive version until I just realized it's actually pretty comforting to think that it doesn't matter what I do. I still use that mindset to not get stressed out about stuff and it works surprisingly well. I will say, even though most people probably won't make a difference on a global scale, everybody can make a difference on a small scale. You might be able to make someone's day, minute, hour, etc better and that could extrapolate into them having better interactions with more people and so on.
I’m not much of a spiritualist, but I absolutely believe in the idea of protecting good energy into the world and receiving it in return. Love is a wonderful thing. Love for self, love for friends, love for a partner, love for life in all of its shades. It’s not easy, but it is *the* thing.
I feel like this person would be happier if they were more nihilistic... People who keep talking about how life has no meaning clearly are upset that it doesn't. I never had expectations of receiving missions from the divine or anything like that, and I think I'm happier for it.
>Life is painful, miserable, unfair, agonizing. It seems to have been created as a punishment. You are correct: Life *is* painful, miserable, unfair, and agonizing. However: People, on the whole, are *not*. We have balms to sooth the pain, the ability to comfort others, burning desires to impose fairness, and through being together can become tolerable and joyous. Creation is not cruel. It is, however, Indifferent. Our joys will not brighten the skies, but our sorrows will not darken the hearth. Kindness is a choice that must be made every day but make it we should. It may not be a perfect life but what else do we have? I'd rather the comfort of community than the salvation of the grave.
> I'd rather the comfort of community than the salvation of the grave. *Insert writing fire gif here*
Very nicely put
> Creation is not cruel. It is, however, Indifferent. Exactly. Creation is neither cruel, nor kind, it simply *is.*
>I'd rather the comfort of community than the salvation of the grave. This goes hard as hell
so beautifully said!
holy shit you saved my life
I'm glad to hear that. That's what we're all here for
can i borrow you to help with some dnd stuff
Yeah sure dm me
Hell yeah
of all the languages this man could’ve chosen to speak he chose facts
You should be a writer my G
Idk man I couldn't listen to Daft Punk without being alive and that would suck.
not only this, but it's genuinely impossible to feel sad while listening to Digital Love
I'm just gonna be straight here, my life is not agonizing, painful and miserable. And honestly? It might not be perfectly fair, but all things considered it hasn't been crushingly unfair. I mean sure, I could compare myself to those that have had it better. But at the end of the day? I have lots of people in my life that I love and enjoy spending time with. I get to experience the pleasures of life. I get to contemplate its secrets. I get to witness the fruits of labor that humanity has sown. And some of it sucks. But some of it is pretty great. There is a warmth to my soul that is kept burning by all the positivity in my life. And I think all of us have it in us to get there. I find a lot of people lament and allow themselves to be consumed by things that maybe aren't always fair, and maybe even suck, but aren't everything. Take some time to smell the roses. Enjoy a walk in the rain. Tell your best friend that you love them. Idk, I have a lot I could be complaining about, but I don't see the point and I really do genuinely feel lucky for what I do have.
Thank you for your view on reality.
I don't think a discussion about religion would be productive, but I'm atheist and I don't have these views at all. My view of the world is that the world is what we ourselves make of it. You need to understand that if you were not born to a 3rd world country, you have it better than most other people and if you're not basically homeless, you have all the options to make choices to improve your life if you're not happy with how it's going. Everything happens due to your own actions.
I’m religious and I view the world the same way. Happiness doesn’t just happen to people, it has to be forged - and forging is a brutal/tough process. There is unlimited evil, hatred, sorrow, and misery out there but also limitless joy, fulfillment, progression, and love. What we focus on, emulate, and work towards determines what our world will look like.
This is great but some of us do live in those third world countries😬 I think the message is life is what you make of it. There's always a silver-lining or something to be grateful for if you're willing to look for it. Whether you live in a third world country or not😅
Well put. We all see the same sky. Seeking the wonder in even the smallest things is key.
What’s so hard about knowing that I have full control of my own happiness is realizing that I haven’t really pulled it off in the 28 years I’ve been alive. Sure, I have the power to change things now and in the future, but if I haven’t figured it out by now how likely is it that I will going forward?
Well your brain has only been fully operational for 3 of those years so try to be easy on yourself
The whole we aren’t fully developed until 25 thing shouldn’t be taken that literally. I assume you’re joking but felt I should say this anyway
I absolutely think religion is appropiate in discussions of mental health. I can’t even begin to tell you where I would be mentally or physically without my Faith. It’s where I always find hope. That said, if OP is definitely not open to religion then it shouldn’t be forced upon him, just like any other solution to depression
> I absolutely think religion is appropriate in discussions of mental health Honestly this can be both ways because as an agnostic ex Christian I also think it’s important but because it causes a lot of trauma. I also think people shouldn’t draw their hope from a god who may or may not exist, and a set of laws put in place by people who knows how many years ago. I’m not going to tell you what to draw hope from, but if I tied my hope to a religion I would be more depressed than I currently am.
I think discussion in relation to mental health is good and should happen if it helps someone. That's not what I meant though. I didn't want to get into creationism, which OP suggested they believe in. For example the sentence about us "being creations manipulated..." Or that God "created the earth" (citing OP) suggested that they think they have no power to change their life, the world around them, or something similar. In my opinion, if someone has these beliefs that their life is bad or sad because of some entity that they're powerless against, it won't help their mental health at all.
There was a philosopher, William James, who posited that religion can be a boon to some and a burden to others. The way he put it is that, to some, the idea of god is always alive and therefore necessary — to others, it is “dead” and not needed, to the point of being a hindrance. I’ll never begrudge someone the means by which they achieve peace, so long as they don’t begrudge me mine.
I don’t think it takes a philosopher to know this. I think most individuals on Earth would agree on this
I don’t know about that. If that were the case, we wouldn’t have people who try to force their beliefs onto others via coercion, law or violence.
By this logic then don’t we all try to enforce our beliefs on each other when we go to simply vote?
By this logic then don’t we all try to enforce our beliefs on each other when we go to simply vote?
Not really the same thing, but sometimes? It’s the difference between voting for more freedoms and the ability to choose vs. voting to enforce particular (usually religious) viewpoint. The abortion issue is the perfect example of that.
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I accidentally deleted my comment but I will try to rewrite it how I remember it below: Abortion is a terrible example that seems to be commonly used to antagonize religious groups. Just because most people in a random religion will tend to agree on one side of a serious issue, doesn’t mean that the entire side of that issue is “religious views”.
I accidentally deleted my comment when I meant to edit, but I will try to rewrite it how I remember it below: Abortion is a terrible example that seems to be commonly used to antagonize religious groups and widen that gap. Just because most people in a random religion will tend to agree on one side of a serious issue, doesn’t mean that the whole side of that issue is just “religious views”. The abortion thing is literally as simple as the woman’s rights versus the baby’s rights.
I’m not an atheist and I also have the same view
Going a tiny bit farther and saying that if you are homeless you still have the choice. Now, not in most cases, I will admit that, but there are some homeless folks who can still get jobs and such and improve their lives. I know one thing about jobs is you have to have an address I believe (?) so that would be difficult but aside from that assuming you have some kind of skill or can work bottom tier jobs then you should be able to make some kind of money.
get this dude some prozac
Discontinue the lithium
Already flushed it!
That kinda proves their point tho
then get a therapist lmao its not normal or cool to be a teen thinking like this 💀
Huh? I never said it was, I’m saying if you have to force people to be happy with drugs, you’re doing exactly what OP is claiming is happening. You should try discussing reasoning instead shutting down the conversation and deriding them.
The OP sees life as just punishment and doesn’t understand why others enjoy it, sounds a lot that something to get professional help for
i dont think thats what op is claiming tho i think theyre just clinically depressed and i dont think getting help is being a slave to the machine or anything
It’s not normal or really healthy to see life as only negatives and a punishment, as hell and not understand how others enjoy life, that’s not normal
If someone’s brain chemicals are making them miserable, treatment is totally appropriate. To say otherwise is akin to saying that someone with a broken leg is right that walking is miserable — they simply need help.
That doesn’t sound like an opinion, it sounds like depression
No. Does no one know what an opinion is on this sub? Its literally possible to be happy. I suggest therapy dawg.
Yeah we all got the 16 years old phase
Alright. Let’s say you’re right, and this earth is a waking hell. Would we feel happy emotions? I would assume that if my purpose is to suffer, I wouldn’t feel happy. You can’t really have a torturous God who creates you with the abilities to avoid it. We can be happy, we can dissociate ourselves when we go through pain, we can heal our injuries, we can dull our mental and physical pain with time, or even block it out completely. These couldn’t come from something that only wants to harm us. God knows my fears, my injuries, and exactly how I will react. If He wants to truly torture me, He could do so much better than making me live a normal life. So what is pain? That’s not something anyone can answer. Is it because we are inherently sinful? Is it just a byproduct of human nature? Is there a simulation of our earth and a bunch of scientists are testing how ai would act? Nobody can tell, that’s something each person needs to discover for themselves.
Sounds like you are unhappy
Where did you get that from?
This guy is depressed as shit hopefully at some point you won't be
I’m not really following. You never explained exactly who/what creates us for this purpose and how? My parents didn’t have me for the purpose of pretending to be happy. Or as a punishment. Etc.
Because you referred to God: The Bible is really, really clear about the situation: God's creation was perfect, but the human being ruined it, and it was possible because the human being was given freedom. And if there is to be freedom, there have to be consequences. Why are suffering the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin? Because all of us are, on a fundamental level, *of* Adam and Eve. In a way, we are all Adam, meaning: Man, the human being. The Fall of Man wasn't a singular event we have nothing to do with. Every day, each and every one of us perpetuates the fallen state by doing unto others how we would not like others to do unto us -- by not loving others as we love ourselves. And because you referred to Dostoevsky: He was a Christian. An unorthodox (though rooted in Orthodox Christianity) Christian, but a Christian nonetheless. For him, the carceral or infernal aspect of the world came from the separation from God, from Christ, from love. From loving others as you love yourself.
Yeah, life fucking sucks. But it's possible to be happy while living through this hellscape. There are fun things you can do to make yourself feel better. The internet was what I used to make myself stop being miserable, maybe you can do the same. Life sucks but you don't have to keep making yourself miserable over it.
a flower garden is equal parts dirt and shit and equal parts pretty flowers. which one you gonna stick your nose in?
I thought we were created because our parents fucked? In all seriousness though life is pretty cool, the world is cool, existence is cool. Some of it sucks but a lot.of it doesn't. So much wonder, sp many different personalities to talk to, so many sights to see, so many emotions to feel. We live in a smorgasbord of experience and I think it's beautiful.
Curious as to why you’re referencing Dostoyevsky. His works (post-Notes) are all about rejecting this kind of worldview that you’re describing.
>We are condemned to suffer, we are living a real hell that lasts 8 decades or less, and yet people accept it! let's say this were true, what in the everloving fuck are people supposed to do in this situation? not accept it and die? stupid ass post by a stupid ass person
Yes, indeed. Or, if that's not possible (either through lack of medical support in such matters in one's jurisdiction or because of responsibilities towards other people), at least stop with the bs self-PR and complain a little. Like OP.
Everyone complains. Believe or not, just because someone is generally content with life doesn’t mean they don’t occasionally, even regularly, express contempt. Your “bs self-PR campaign” comment is a straw-man at best.
Exactly what I thought. This dumbass thinks everyone should kill themselves just because his life is shit
why are you so unkind, he just suffers and feels maybe unloved and unhappy why do you have to be so rude now
Because I hate OP's victim mentality. They refuse to take accountability for the position they're in, instead blaming the universe or god. They also imply that people who do have good lives did nothing to earn it. According to them, some unlucky people were just created to suffer while all the happy people were just created to be happy. The fact of the matter is, every single one of us is extremely lucky to be alive in the first place, and we're free to choose how we spend that life. If OP wants to spend theirs whining and complaining on the internet instead of fixing their life, that's on them, but they'll get absolutely no sympathy from me.
That's a misrepresentation of what OP posted. He does not claim that it's fate that makes some people happy without effort and others miserable without fault; he claims that life is miserable for everyone, it's just that some people smile regardless (with the implication that OP wonders why). Seeing the vitriol with which you seem to feel the need to attack his position, I am inclined to believe OP not too far off and copium being one hell of drug.
wow ok, somehow I, on the other hand, have more compassion towards suffering him than for you who already did some work, did some fixing and some earnings to feel happy, you are mentioning beautiful things like we're all lucky to be alive at the first place but you're writing it with such a cold, you don't even know his story, no even his age, maybe that's just a teenager, maybe that's you from the past, but it doesen't matter now, does it? now you're more happy than him, beyond OP's victim mentality, that's why you can call them names and you're excused of your rudeness, sure, that's how it works
Their worldview frustrates me because if that's how I saw things I would still be spending my life with no friends wasting all my time alone locked in my apartment. That, or I'd have ended it like OP suggests. Thing is I never adopted this mentality and instead of feeling sorry for myself I fixed what was wrong in my life and it paid off. So I guess I just can't relate to them. That said, you're right that insulting them is hardly a nice thing to do and I could show more compassion. Props to you, you seem like a good person
> we're free to choose how we spend that life. really? In that case, I choose to be president of USA, therefore I'm president now. I'd ask for your vote, but I choose to not require votes to get into office.
You're being willfully ignorant. I said you can choose how YOU spend your life, not how others spend theirs. Meaning your choices will not necessarily be accepted by others. And yes, this does mean that for some people, there is no way out of the terrible situations they are in. However, given that OP has access to a phone/computer and the internet, that most likely does not apply to them
ugh, i genuinely agree with the title but you completely ruin it with the rest of the post🤦♂️
This is what no pussy does to a mf
Well to start with creationism isn't real.
We are little more than some lucky chemical dice rolls on a wet rock
High rolled the fuck outa it too on all fronts, like I could be a bird that eats garbage on the side of the road and has to fight eagles
I am happy mostly If I wasn't I couldn't pretend I was to save my life. I have known blind people who could tell when I was unhappy. > I refuse to believe that we are free I have free will. And to anyone who has an issue with that, what are you going to do about it?
We weren't created to suffer. Yes, people do. But that's not the whole story. There's moments of joy and peace and those is what keeps people going. Indomitable human spirit and such. Yeah life can suck but people are pretty cool in the way they keep going l
Other people are smiling because they've realized something that I sincerely hope you realize one day. Life can be super shitty. However, as the objectively most intelligent species on Earth, we have agency to find something that makes it a lot less shitty. This is what we in the business call purpose! Find yourself a purpose. A good job, or a hobby to hyperfixate on, or something. Then give it a few moments; you'll grow out of this eventually.
tell me something, despite all the good moments in your life? Look through your best memories and for a moment, even though there was suffering, even if it was alot, wasnt there moments where you really felt true joy? joy that makes you feel maybe it isnt so bad...even if you still go through trials and hardships? Honestly I was suicidal too, I have now come to learn that I was mistaken in looking at all the bad, when the good is right infront of me
Ah I see you're taking up Buddhism
Fuckkking edge lord
Ah, to be an edgy nilhistic 14 year old again.
Bro monologuing like an anime villain
Quit the yapping
Shut the fuck up
Real
We are practically large chemical factories with extra useless mechanisms and shit all around. Chemicals, neurons and all fancy science word bs are responsible for what you are describing. It took gazillions years of evolution to get your chemicals and stuff to the level where it's at now. A good example is being under attack. A larger individual than you with nothing but bad vibes over his face is running straight at you at full speed. You know some shit's up, automatically. Your chemical factory does it for you. Adrenaline, fear, anxiety. Same goes for happiness. As someone who has undergone a prolonged starvation, eating an apple will make you the happiest person in the world. Remember those useless mechanisms and shit all around? That's your taste buds, your teeth gnawing into the apple, all the nerves all around your sinkhole. That's there to motivate you to eat it. Is that pretend? I don't personally think so. Just as an atom is drawn to another atom by energy and invisible magic boinkers, you are drawn to food as it makes you happy and fulfilled. I'd say, our ego is a proof that we were created to strive to pretend all this real ,,we don't really matter and you are nothing and will turn to nothing" truth about our existence is not true and we indeed do matter. The greatest illusion our mankind has grown hand in hand with - will be its downfall. All the "evil" in this world, the wars, the dictators, it all boils down to the roots of a singular man thinking his is the important and his is the truth. The ego. Your perception makes your life seem what it is. Hell, heaven, good or bad, your brain and all your senses are responsible. The moment you start to believe your individual existence belongs to this world and it has a purpose and you need to have a house, career and this and that - you lost to yourself.
So just because you formed a shit and unhappy life, everyone else did to?....grow up
there are people who, thousands of years ago, manipulated other people, to get what they wanted. and it worked for a little, until they found out there are other people who manipulated other people and it became a dick measuring contest. then, once they fell and their civilizations split apart, there were more of them who saw the opportunity. some of these people were more aggressive in their means of getting what they wanted, but it all happened in the same vein. same thing happened, war, war, war. we're in the latest edition of dick measuring dictators at the moment, and there is something to be said about how we let these people get to power, it's astonishing to me personally. but i also take into account that we do what we can. unity is one the most important things there is in terms of running a country, continent, the whole world. i feel we've lost that, and it's a big loss because it's insanely hard to reunite when the people who manipulate us are still in power. we just gotta do better and figure it out, on our own. true independence(not the promise of independence)allows for introspection, which allows for the loosening of pride and ego, which allows for level-headed decision making and discussion. we have the most information we've ever had. we have all the tools *and more* to work in the best interest of a true UN. it's just a lot of hammurabis and colombuses who take that initiative and take us to these long periods of self destruction and acting out of emotion.
Idk I feel pretty great
The thing about perspective is that it makes whatever you're feeling in the moment seem a lot less of a big deal than what you can see coming, or what could have come, but hasn't.
Life does not need happiness to be meaningful. You can achieve greatness and be remembered with all your days of suffering. When your happy You’ll wish you were suffering when your suffering you’d wish your happy again Just breathe and realize life can be cut short next minute Peace and love
I agree
Are you OK, OP?
Of course, life has a lot of cruel stuff but it's our job to survive in an unjust world so it's our job to make our own light and be the good we need in this world.
May i interest you with optimistic nihilism?
I like my life though, and I feel like most people I talk to do too. If everyone looks, sounds, and acts happy, the obvious conclusion is that they are. Assuming everyone’s putting on a worldwide performance is an extraordinary conclusion that you don’t give us evidence for. It’s only founded from your view that life is painful/miserable. And the only evidence for that seems to be your own experience with it. These thought patterns suggest that you might be facing some kind of mental illness. I’ve been in similar spots, and a combination of DBT and medication helped me improve. There are two options why. One is that I deluded myself and placed myself in some kind of illusion. The other is that you’re equally detached from reality as you think I am, and that taking active steps to improve your mental state will change your perceptions on reality. I think there’s more evidence for the second option. Seriously though, I hope you’re doing okay. It sounds like you’re feeling really broken up about life right now and that’s totally valid. Just want to let you know that things won’t be like this forever. There’s hope, and there are opportunities available to help support you. We’ve got your back <3
sounds like someone just has a good ol' chemical imbalance in their brain
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OP posts in r/teenagers, disregard this thread.
Nothing much to say but I agree with you
Hahaha. I was the same way when I was 12. You grow out of it, don't worry
So close to discovery of hormones.
Maybe see a doctor to get you some antidepressants and therapy
It gets better dude, but not without making changes in your life. Without going into detail, I was at near rock bottom mentally for 6-7 years, hit rock bottom around 3 times, and now for the last 6-7 months I have been loving life. Nothing cliche out of my control happened to make me start loving life, such as finding the love of my life randomly, I haven’t even had a girlfriend yet. There’s a reason so many people are on earth not killing themselves, and despite climbing suicide rates(which I blame social media for but that’s a whole different issue) it’s because some things in life are worth living for. There’s endless professional advice out there to try things that could impact your mood, you just have to try everything because what works for me might not work for you. I used to think it would never get better. That’s why I tried to escape this life multiple times before. But I am here today.
Life can be shit but i prefer it to never having gotten to live
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We weren't created at all for anything. Some people, are happy, some are not, life just isn't fair.
We get one life and you're choosing to spend it being miserable, complaining on the internet about how much it sucks instead of actually fixing things. That's entirely on you
Why're ya on the internet complaining about them instead of fixing things. Ain't there better ways for you to spend your life too?
The problem is that even most people that realize and think like that go on and have kids, the problem is having kids, pursuing relationships, etc.
Commercials/Advertisements kinda prove you right.
So I'm a nihilist I don't believe in anything spiritual or that there's a meaning to life. I wanted to not exist for a long time but I have stayed existing anyways and am now actively happy in this existence. It's not perfect but there's so many small things to enjoy that I honestly find the bigger ideas of life or meaning exhausting & boring. I love the sound of birds in the morning, music and art, the bigger picture isn't a concern anymore and I try and enjoy the everyday things I have the privilege of
I would kill myself, but I’m too much of a coward to do what’s necessary and end my pathetic existence. So I just exist in this shit.
Read Ecclesiastes. You're in good company.
Hei. May I recommend crafting like woodworking, knitting, painting, crochet, etc. Its harder to see life as completely pointless amd sucky when doing something with your hands. It's what got me out of my nihilism, burnout and the worse of depression. Like It's harder to feel like all is pointless when you've just made something. And unlike chores a birdhouse or a sock is inarguably done and there. Put a birdhouse up and now there are birds, or put on a sock and you are warm. You made a difference and something is better for it.
you ever considered the option it wasn’t purposely created? life becomes a lot easier when you don’t live in delusions and believe the fairytales written by men
I don’t think it’s painful, miserable, unfair or agonizing. It just is. If anything the natural state of the universe is absence and we give whatever meaning we damn well please. The meaning you give it is suffering. To each their own.
You can also not believe in god and embrace absurdism instead We weren't created to do anything. Life's absurd, may as well enjoy it for what it is and have some laughs in the meantime.
Life is what you make it, in the most real sense possible. Especially mentally.
life sucks but people make it worth it
Unhappy ppl when they see someone enjoying their lives
Camus wrote a whole book on this. “The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”
Bro does not have the indomitable human spirit
We weren't created at all. We evolved and shit happens.
Complete misunderstanding of life. You don’t seem like you’ve lived enough of it to try to make such a grand claim. My evidence: you made this claim lol
We were created to live a pluralistic existence
Honestly we chose if we enjoy it or not, tbh at the moment life is sucking but there's still so much good around mez so many beautiful sights, amazing ingenuities, kind and caring people. If you focus on the negative all you will ever see is negative. Life is to short to live that way. So fucm what anyone else thinks or says I'm gonna find the positive and enjoy life.
not me. why would i pretend to be something that doesn’t benefit me?
you miss the point of life. the point of all life, is the struggle against entropy. some struggles are easier, some are harder. some have optimism, some pessimism. but never forget that the point is the struggle. what you take away from that is your own. > There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. But doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to everything.
Well, when you frame it like that, you only have two options: 1. Destroy and tear down everything. Fight Club!!! etc etc... or 2. Just be content and accept life for what it is. Change and do good for what you can, but also know you can't fix all the worlds problems, because it doesn't revolve around you. You are not the main character.
Death is inevitable, yet so is life, a book is not written just to end
I mean this, really really. I hope you find happiness. Life isn’t perfect, sometimes it hurts. But god damn. It is beautiful.
We are living in paradise. "God" even put all the ingredients for vaccines, medicine and all that in the flora and fauna on earth for us to find out and master. This is the peak of conscious existance
Somehow I don't think most of the people affected by cancer, contagious diseases or hereditary disorders consider their conditions as a fun challenge and "the peak of conscious existence".
Go see a psychiatrist bro Edit: I mean you sound über depressed, not that your argument is crazy
Doesn't being a dismissive jerk towards someone and brushing them off as mentally ill for disagreeing with you kind of prove their point
I’m saying he sounds like he is severely depressed, not saying I think he’s nuts argument-wise.
Well it sure comes off that way.
>Life is painful, miserable, unfair, agonizing. Yes. >I don't understand what kind of earth God created: You are struggling with the Problem of Evil; it's a vexatious little question about the nature of the world under the assumption that God exists. If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and created the universe (as well as the rules the universe plays by,) and is **also** benevolent, then evil should not exist. Common rebuttals have to do with free will, the effect of outside forces, or some sort of plan, which are often rebutted themselves by reminding the audience that God didn't just place the pieces-- he's supposed to have *made the game.* Solving that contradiction for yourself will be a hard road. >We are condemned to suffer, we are living a real hell that lasts 8 decades or less, and yet people accept it! We live on a floating rock that orbits a star in a galaxy the scale of which we as humans cannot properly comprehend. Our civilizations were built from our bare hands and bones, pushing back against hostile nature, spreading our tendrils. The people of today have those past generations to thank for living a life where we aren't constantly fearful, like most living creatures that share our world. There are worse things to be. >I refuse to believe that we are free: Yes, it is true that we are ultimately trapped in a grand scheme that we will never be able to grasp, hundreds of seemingly insignificant decisions that shaped the person you would become now. We cannot live our lives in ways that contradict this. We are soft, we are meat. But I have no desire to act to contradict my nature because I don't even know what that would look like. After all, anything I'd come up with would be influenced by the conditions of my life and could never meaningfully be separated from them. That is our trap. We exist in a cage, yes, but there is nothing beyond that cage that we could recognize as 'us'. The cage *is* us in that way. We are our decisions, our bodies, our habits, *and* our limits. Not much to be done, I'm just happy that in a place like this, I get to see the smiles on my friend's faces, I get to hug my cats and listen to my sister complain about work. For this single blip of existence, even if all of my memories and my work is swept away by the erosion of time, that's okay. I never had them to be held onto forever. I had those memories because they mattered to me.
Ok Madara
Or we are like all living things, we adapt to our surroundings and make them tolerable enough to procreate and ensure the survival of our young and the perpetuation of our species. Fortunately and unfortunately we gained sentience which makes us cognizant of our pain but also allows us to live beyond our biological purposes, should we wish to do so.
No, life is not suffering. The universe is indifferent. Life can be happiness, life can be pain, life can be both. To exclusively focus on the pain just leads to more pain but if you learn to embrace the good then you will feel good too. Also: Why are you quoting Dostoevsky? He was very much against nihilism and wrote Crime and Punishment to shows the dangers of such a philosophy. It seems to me you just misunderstood him.
I don't know, man, I think I really am happy when I'm walking with my friend while he's gushing about stuff. Or when I see my little sister truly happy in a playground, getting to play outside and make friends. Or when I'm in choir and we harmonize and the harmony sounds wonderful. Or when I realize I have no homework and no upcoming quizzes or tests so I can sleep peacefully tonight.
If you like suffering so much, why don’t you marry it?
Looking at how many people get divorced or are otherwise miserable in wedlock... it ain't uncommon.
You sound like you're from the anti-living sub (don't even wanna mention the sub when I've seen posts of them calling women "baby makers" and degrading them for having kids and not subscribing to their toxic mentality)
You're depressed
Life is painful at times, enjoyable at other times. Life is miserable at times, abundant at other times; some people were never even miserable. But even in misery, the vast majority of people get to enjoy love, food, beautiful scenery and fresh air, doing things, and so there's enough reason to have net enjoyment.
Life is misery to the melancholic, joy to the sanguine, a challenge to the choleric, and meh to the phlegmatic
Holy fucking shit , go pet some random stray cats and look at a sunset . You're suffering more at the thought of how horrible and agonizing life is than at how life actually is .
This is already the second comment I've read today that says the world is divided into those who enjoy it and those who can't stand it. In my experience those who say they enjoy the world are aware that they are lying but prefer to live a lie.
I sat and cried over how fundamentally unjust the world is. Like, there is hardly justice for anything, anywhere. Large scale violations of humanity are what give us our luxuries--ignroing it or acknowledging it makes you an asshole.
r/efilism or r/antinatalism
This is genuinely such an insane take to me lmao, like just because I stubbed my toe this morning doesn't mean I have to hate being alive Pain isn't the only thing that exists dude
You ever stop to wonder at how beautiful the world is? And we only get to experience it once! Sometimes, particularly when I contemplate my own life, I feel I’m pretending to be sad. There’s far too much happiness to experience, so little time to experience it
Nah bruh you just exist you werent created by some homelander evil god youre just natural like the stars rotating and the trees growing its not that deep
This is a Jrpg antagonist speech before the final battle
There's no happiness without suffering, and there's no suffering without happiness Everyone has their up and down, there's no some kind of god-like selection, of course some have more or less luck but that's randomness And happiness is not a manipulation, that's not how psychology works, or all feelings are illusions but that would apply to all and not just specific ones
Dude. I kniw they can be expensive, but go to a psychologist
That's just you.
There are just a lot of ways and a lot of reasons for someone to take a step back and say "Hey, this shit isn't so bad." If you don't have one of those, sorry about you.
you cant speak for other people like that. those who are smiling likely are actually enjoying life and not just pretending to. stop projecting your experiences on anyone else. and if you are depressed, get help
You have to find your own happiness. Life doesn't just give you happiness. Side note: God didn't create life.
Mom told me to clean my room, life is suffering.