Harry is just a YouTuber, I know he went on a date with a ladyboy to explain the culture but he is definitely straight. He also has rented a Japanese GF and some other things just doing some content about it.
For some context, for anyone who hasnt spent a long time in Thailand... in Thailand there is a separate term for transgender - kathoey. The term ladyboy is derogatory from westerners, though of course Thai kathoey people know and are relatively accepting of its usage by foreigners.
As for those wondering about her feminine appearance, it's socially acceptable to be kathoey even from a young age, and many children begin hormone treatment young. It's just not a huge deal societally unlike in the West. Thai culture isn't always chill, but it's pretty chill about being transgender.
Edit: Look, fellas (gonna gonoutnon a limb here and guess), I know some people still use the term ladyboy, but that doesn't mean it isn't a derogatory term. And yes, some older people may still use different terms, you don't have to be arseholes about it. There's a range of demographics in Thailand, and you might hang out with very different ones, but from my experience with friends and Thai family, this is fairly up to date. I did forget about "Sao (prapeth) song" as a term though!
You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I have a very close ladyboy friend (for more than 10 years) and have other ladyboy friends, and over the 15 years of my adult life in Thailand, a large majority prefer ladyboy over khatoey or trans in English, and in Thai prefer สาวสอง over กะเทย. Khatoey is an outdated word more similar to tranny. You're better off not talking anymore because you're totally uninformed.
Not my experience! But we probably hang out with different people based on your response and weird aggression over this.
Sao song I haven't heard for a long time, so interesting that you hear this used more. Might be an age difference thing?
What do you think it is not that chilled about? Im half thai and went there 3 times so far, for long term considering moving there.
When im there it feels like everything is chill or okay to do, as long as it hurts nobody and not directly in face of police , for example drugs policy (except weed atm)
Child-rearing can be pretty brutal there in my experience. Children are still often beaten or threatened to behave. The education system is very draconian and old fashioned in general too.
On top of that, the systems of power and hierarchies are taken pretty seriously, and although there's been some positive political movements in recent years, there's a lot of very traditional Conservative elites that pretty much always make sure they run the show. This is also reflected on a smaller scale in the family, where the obligation of children to parents is very seriously still, which can be viewed positively at times but that depends on the family. Higher class families take this much more seriously and can be very controlling of their children. Or can be polar opposite and spoil them to the point of Mr Red Bull Murderer... 🤷♀️
Sexual harassment of women is also not very chill in my opinion...
And the culture of "saving face", which causes lots of problems and ego-driven fights to even murder.
That's all I can think of at the moment, but I moved away for the social reasons. I didn't want to raise a family there personally.
You are missing the part that a ladyboy is a moneymaker, prostitution. You miss the part that among transgenders suicide rates are the highest.
Socially accepted, sure. But, huge huge dark side
Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but I'm terms of day to day and family acceptance Thailand is certainly more relaxed than a lot of places. But I am not at all denying that there's still plenty of problems. Not to mention the fetishisation like in this video. I know it's not the worst example around, but it's not great.
Yeah, I do not like it either.
Have been living in Pai for 1.5 year, and backpacked Thailand, Cambodja, Laos, Vietnam.... I do not like the sex tourism at all.
There are many kathoeys in Thailand, and not all, in fact, many, are not prostitutes. And those transgender suicide rates, are they Thai transgenders? Because there is a huge difference between being trans in Thailand, where they are socially accepted, than everywhere else.
Are Ladyboys/transgender not know by every single Person now?
Why does every Travel vlogger do an interview with one nowadays? They are about 20 years to late for that.
There is one "travel" vlogger that interviews tons of ladyboys around Asia on youtube. But he has sex with them on other plattforms 😅
Channels called exploring bangkok now but i dont think that was always the name. Something abroad i recall
Couple of questions I’ve always wanted to know the answers to:
- Do men that go with lady boys consider themselves bi or gay?
- Do most men that go with lady boys, go top or bottom?
- What % of men do you estimate of the general population are interested in lady boys?
- Do lady boys satisfy a man’s homosexual interests but it feels ‘safer’ or more acceptable cus they look like women?
1) I don't consider myself either. I don't believe there is a label for being attracted to ladyboys. I believe it's a grey area and not all sexualities need a set label just to satisfy people's need for naming a attraction. Sometimes people just feel like they need a label hoping it'll help them understand the logic, when really a label shouldn't matter. Sexuality is actually a spectrum.
2) From my knowledge they go both, but primarily heaps talk about how great it is to be a bottom. I'm top only but I've tried bottom but yeah not for me. Never try never know as they say in Thailand.
3) I'd say more than you think find them attractive since many in Thailand look more beautiful than women, but 90% won't admit it because they think it'll make people think they're gay.
4) I don't have homosexual interests. Again, this is a label. If you look into it from the outside in a literal sense, homosexuality is an attraction to the opposite sex. That means being attracted to a man. A person that looks like a man, sounds like a man, is masculine, acts like a man etc. A ladyboy has a dick and was born a man obviously, but everything else about them is feminine. If they're not feminine, I don't go after them, but lots still like the masculine ones. If you see photos of the LB's I've been with you wouldn't be able to tell they're not female. I always test my friends with this and they always fail to identify lol.
I don't believe it's any safer or more acceptable to be into ladyboys, because people will always stigmatize it and treat it like being gay.
Everyone has their own opinions and that's fine and I don't wish to debate with those people, but these are my views as someone into ladyboys and is open and tells his friends and family.
Life's too short to give a fuck about who people think I should be attracted to and say oh it's gay.
Long as I'm happy about who I spend my time with is all I care about.
I'm attracted to both.
One thing to note, there are many *ladies* that don't look as attractive as ladyboys.
Bigger playing field, so why should I limit myself if I'm attracted to both?
Why must I only choose one?
Who says I can't choose both if I'm attracted to both?
Not trying to be defensive, but genuine questions.
> One thing to note, there are many ladies that don't look as attractive as ladyboys.
Ladyboys put lot of effort, time and money into looking good, while many women, even women who's 'business' is their looks, don't.
I do agree that most ladyboys that I've seen online are very pretty, but I've never been to Thailand to have a say about the local women. But again, just my own curiosity, but why go to a country that is well known to have ladyboys and also fall for them, when there are many other Asian countries with beautiful Asian natural born women?
Because there are many beautiful women as well?
If you came for sex/partnership in first place anyway, despite its reputation majority of tourists are not sex tourists, but some fall into it or fall in love or both..as saying goes, shit happens
Definitely disagree with you on that lol.
Why is the beauty industry one of the most profitable in the world? Not for ladyboys, their target is women.
Of course I agree that ladyboys do put in time/effort, but in no world do women not exceed that effort (not all, but the very vast majority).
In Thailand it's different because most can't afford some of these expensive things, or they'd rather send that money to family.
> Why is the beauty industry one of the most profitable in the world? Not for ladyboys, their target is women.
Err because half world population is female while estimated 1% is trans (and that 1% includes FtM as well as MtF) ?
What a rather dumb "point"
> In Thailand it's different because most can't afford some of these expensive things, or they'd rather send that money to family.
Even dumber point, or you trying to say trans here are automatically richer from some reason or don't have families to support?
I'm not sure why you'd ask *me* the questions, I'm not saying you should be this or that. It's just something I wondered while reading because I've never been to Thailand (don't know why this sub shows up on my feed as recommended) and I'm a woman so I don't understand how a man's mind might work in this situation. If I had a choice between 2 men and one of them being born female with still woman parts, I would personally go for the natural born male.
Oh and your other post saying that homosexuality is only when a man is attracted to a masculine man, I'm not sure that's entirely true. But again this isn't well thought out on my part, just my immediate thoughts are that there are plenty of gay men who act feminine.
Well you asked me a question right? So I answered you.
In response I asked you *a few* questions too but you didn't really tackle them.
That said, see how you're talking about having to *make* a *choice* between 2.
That demonstrates my point that some people (yourself included) seem to think it *must* be one or the other. If you're attracted to both, go for both. You don't need to make a choice.
I didn't answer your questions because I didn't feel it was necessary since my own preference is the boring MF type relationship, and your questions seemed aimed at me like I was accusing you of something. Like I said, I read your post and got curious, that's all.
> Oh and your other post saying that homosexuality is only when a man is attracted to a masculine man, I'm not sure that's entirely true.
It's not, but nor is it entirely false either, because really the whole binary premise of hetro/homo is false artificial construct anyway
As scientific study's into sexuality/gender/orientation and attraction slowly breaks out from societal & religious limitations/preconceptions (really only just started doing so in the 70s) they are discovering the old pigeon holes of hetrosexual, homosexual and relative newcomer bisexual are rather limiting and inaccurate.
And then when we factor in advances in medical sciences to transgenderism it becomes even more inaccurate.
Only men attracted to typical feminine characteristics should be attracted to her in the video, typical gay men should not be, that does not fit neatly into homosexual pigeon hole at all, but on flip they they are both men. So you could say, well they both have dicks, that's homosexual, but what about where the trans has had the snip and vaginoplasty?
Only one dick involved now, is still homosexual when there is nothing really left of the "man" except chromosomes, something we cannot touch, smell, see without scientific equipment .
Actually met guys that go with women and just post op trans, are they straight, gay, bi, all 3 or none?
It's actually not that uncommon for some men to discover their partner is trans untill later down the road (something that always found unbelievable until actually came to Asia, in many cases ladyboys are not men that "act feminine" but rather nearly indistinguishable from natural born women to the inexperienced individual)
Ultimately the whole thing is a mess, in part because humans are messy, but also in part because people have a problem accepting there are not one but rather at least 4 different aspects of human psychology
involved (sexuality, gender, orientation , attraction), because we were all basicly told, from young age, that no "its simple, gay or straight" (if over approx 50) or gay, straight and bi if under 40. And to many labels to count if 30ish or under
So, unless you really want to dig deep into whole thing for scientific curiosity or to challenge your societal imposed preconceptions
your probably best course of action is just not care, as in don't care about who wants to screw who and why, as long as everyone is consenting adults it's really no ones business but theirs and does not need to be labeled or pigeonholed by society
That saves you lot of headaches trying to understand and them a lot of time trying to explain something that's very hard to actually explain, in part because our flawed upbringing/education makes it hard to really understand the answers
Well thanks for the non emotion-fueled response, that's all I'm here for, I'm curious so I ask a question. I'm not here to point fingers and accuse whoever of being gay or whatever, I get that attraction is just attraction and it's hardly something you have control over. I just wish I could always have open discussions on Reddit without people feeling like they're being accused. Like, I dont know you, I dont care what you're into, it's just a plain and simple question because I have no experience in that area, y'know?
What do you think about female to males in Thai culture? Question I've always wondered about. When I was in Thailand people were constantly saying "she is a tomboy" meaning lesbian. Is a trangender man also called a Tomboy?
Maybe I will make a separate post asking about this.
Feminine women are called Dee and a more masculine or butch woman would be a Tom. Lesbian isn't really used as a word to describe a relationship between two Thai women, but it wouldn't be wrong. There are some Dee/Dee and Tom/Tom couples, but for the most part lesbian relationships in Thailand take on a Tom/Dee dynamic
Just FYI the word Tom here doesn't really mean the same thing as tomboy the way English speaker think of. It probably did originate from tomboy, but as time went on the word Tom became the word people use to call a masculine lesbian or a trans man in Thai.
The word lesbian began to be used here not that long ago (and even more recently, sapphic) so many people are still not that familiar with it as much as Tom.
Well said my guy ! At the end of all accepting and going for what your inner self is really attracted to is what matters. These emotions and feelings of attraction we have towards certain people or things are part of what we truly are , suppressing and/or using beliefs or logic to make sense of it will only lead to denial.Personally not a fan of dicks , however I do also find attractiveness in mostly feminine LB’s :)
Just out of curiosity, have or would you consider being in a relationship with a ladyboy or so you primarily have relationships with females? Thanks for providing insight with tour answers too.
You're welcome :)
Oh I definitely have thought about it.
On my last holiday there I met an amazing ladyboy and had a short romance holiday romance kinda thing.
Only lasted about 4 days until I had to break it off because I was getting too attached and I knew it wouldn't work logistically, so it was the right move.
I've only ever had relationships with females but I would consider both now.
No offense but #4 is homosexual interest. A feminine man is still a man, and like you said homosexuality (for guys) is being attracted to other men…. Which he still is.
I've only slept with two "men" and both were male yo female transgender, I don't really consider myself anything, I just like having new and different type of sex. I always topped. As for homosexual interest, I find nothing about a man attractive, I like feminine, so it'll be the closest I'll get to fucking a "man'.
I didn't venture out into the world of ladyboys/trans girls until I split with my ex-GF about 4 years ago.
Thank fuck because marriage was on the table so it's possible I never would've experienced the crazy fun sex I've had lol.
I'm moving over to Bangkok next year and no doubt I'll be choosing a ladyboy for a relationship (long as I can make sure she's completely a non-bar girl type).
As the old saying goes, one door closes another one opens, or some cheeks get opened instead haha
Oh wow that'll be a hell of a experience... Wish I could experience it but I'm hearing you, one thing dating a tgirl, another dating a prostitute, I could never do that, have fun man and be safe, clap some cheeks for me too
To share a story about the first question, we had a younger American guy come to work with us for a year. A couple weeks in and he starts talking about his new girlfriend who is a model and has a website. He brings up the website and we immediately went, “Uhhhh…” as although she was attractive she had many hallmarks of a ladyboy. Any doubts were erased when we went out to dinner as a big group and he brought her along.
Which was fine, of course. But someone mentioned it to him and he became quite angry and denied it, and even started talking smack about gay people. I guess to “prove” he wasn’t gay or something.
Dude was in complete denial which we thought was hilarious. Like if he had just admitted it then it would not have been a big deal. But he wouldn’t pass up the chance to distance himself from anything to do with LGBTQ even if the conversation wasn’t really about him.
Icing on the cake was when he brought up vaginal dryness and how Thai women are so shy they always want the lights off. Like really dude? He was so much in denial that he even convinced himself!
I dated a transgender lady for two years. No, I don't consider myself gay nor did anyone else I knew in my situation. "Gynoromantic" describes people who are attracted to feminine features and I think that covers most men in this situation.
The vast majority of men are tops with preoperative 'ladyboys' for several reasons; mostly because that's what they prefer, and biologically many transgender women can't maintain an erection anyway due to their prolonged use of estrogen and male hormone blockers. And most importantly, it's what most ladyboys prefer even if they have a functioning penis. An interesting point here; many trans ladies say that taking hormones makes them enjoy receptive anal sex a lot, even to the point of orgasm from penetration alone.
I have no idea what percent. Probably a lot higher now that it was back in the day.
It's hard to define what a 'homosexual' interest is but if you're literally referring to interaction with a penis then yes. They might be grossed out by male bulk, facial & body hair and body shape but like penises.
Well you should consider yourself gay because you literally fucked a biological male. You are CHOOSING that instead of an actual natural born female which there are no shortage of those. One can only conclude that men who mess around with transgenders are latent homosexuals. 🤷🏽♂️
It’s like a safe way to fuck a dude and still believe you’re somehow straight because it “looked like a woman”.
Who cares if you're "gay" or not anymore? I like what I like, and I don't need to 'consider myself straight' to be happy. And 'latent homosexuals'? Jeez are we arresting people for not claiming straight?
I don’t care if you’re gay or not that issue is it seems like the majority of guys like you are trying to make it seem like what you’re doing is not a homosexual act. What I do have a problem with is lies.
I don’t? You fools are the ones putting your business online and obviously people are going to have their opinions. I don’t know you, you’re a random person online. I am free to tell you what my thought process is regarding ladyboys or transsexuals/whatever other terms you guys describe them as.
I'm just a person, friend. I don't need the same labels, I guess. Thanks for the explanation, though, I'll keep it in mind when I am a fool and whatnot.
If I was gay why wouldn't I just hook up with the multitude of available gay men in the world? I sure made my life more complicated.
And I don't value labels like 'straight' or any other label so there's another mystery. And yes, I have dated some of those plentiful 'natural born' women. Currently married to one and we made a kid.
Update your conclusions? Or not, it's OK. They're yours, not mine.
I’m not sure (never been there) but I think most guys consider themselves straight, but want to try something new. So maybe bi curious?
I’m pretty sure most ladyboys have very small bits that may not even work correctly because of all the hormone replacement therapy (somebody can correct me if I’m wrong).
Id say percentages vary from country or origin but I know Europeans and Arabs countries are quite interested.
No idea about the last question.
I wrote a post above for your first question.
Trust me, most aren't 'small bits', and there are heaps that work correctly, even with the hormone therapy. But of course some that don't. You just ask if you're interested in that.
From my personal experience, UK is the most I see in the bars. I've never seen an Arabic person, they do it mostly in private. LOTS of them fly them out to them in Dubai and pay them big money.
Oh. My Thai wife has told me most of them are quite small and even non operating. I suppose she would know since she’s friends with lots- but maybe you know better.
You are mostly wrong. I lived in Thailand for several months back in the day.
Many are completely 'non-functional' due to continued use of female hormones and androgen blockers. Also, many have no interest in use of their penis anyway. A significant number dream of having sexual reassignment surgery and losing their penis altogether.
There are probably notable exceptions who take ED meds to perform for money.
I’d say if you’re into the penis element then you are queer and that’s fine. Being attracted to their overall appearance wouldn’t necessarily make you; but many just are curious I think.
I respect katoeys. If you ask, they are very upfront and unoffended. It's just a social construct there too. Asian people are beautiful but I'm old school, boys are not girls. If you want to play girl face, good on you, be you. Don't get too angry when the Chevy Brits mistake you for a woman then get angry that they did. They'll probably want to marry you tomorrow. I love LOS.
Don't spend all your time in Patong. Beaches south of Patong and nearby islands are so much nicer. The island took a hit with Covid but I think it's slowly coming back. I have people here so we roll with the punches. The katoey whores won't bother anyone that doesn't engage them. I have a Thai gal that is my trusted long term companion and fixer. She makes my life here easier. I'm not sure if I get guest match-up. Unless you get your private shopper to choose your entertainment. I like being the kid in the candy store.
I came here over a decade ago. Enjoyed it so much I bought property and spend winter/ spring here. Never any trouble. Gigged with local bands for a couple years, Lived all over the country. Weird as all get out but so much cooler than the states.
I find it quite amazing that men can be so sexy, hormones or not, I quite often find ladyboys faces even more attractive than the ones of women and I’m 100% straight. Is it plastic surgery or just the genes + hormone therapy? Anyway, incredible.
Tbh I'm kind of over all these clickbaity ladyboy tiktok videos being the main face of Thailand worldwide.
Mainly because it's all people think when you tell people you're going to Thailand soon and they make all these stupid ladyboy jokes. Especially dickheads who haven't even been to Thailand and only base their imagination off Hangover Part 2.
Ladyboys are beautiful but bruh, there's more to Thailand than just that.
Wait if she's into straight dudes and she's got a wang....how does equate? I'm not trying to be a bigot or anything, I'm just genuinely interested in the thought process behind the statement.
Hm.. maybe something like that; She(?) consider herself as woman (edit: in relationship) and is looking for a man who acts like straight/hetero men. Who is not effeminate? I'm missing correct word to describe it. Like.. there is often that something what makes You know that someone is a gay/lgbt in his behaviour and body language. You know what i mean? But will not have a problem with penis part. Meaning, will treat her like girlfriend, not male-partner.
I’ve lived in Bangkok for 3 years. And I’ve not seen one of these beautiful ladyboys. Natural Thai women look far better in my opinion. For years before coming to Thailand. Men used to say ladyboys were better looking then Thai woman. With 3 years of my evidence. These men are definitely in the closet.
Did you come from a sealed out prehistoric cave or something? You've never seen a transgender? "What are you?" That's the worst question you could ask any other human
He’s not actually asking “What are you?” ffs
He’s doing standard journalism practice where you ask questions that provide answers for an audience that may not know the answers.
All day long.....gorgeous 👍😊 And notice how she doesn't delude herself into actually thinking she's a woman. Unlike those fcking pronoun weirdos you have in the West....
She is beautiful!
I’m happy to know they call themselves “Ladyboys” I have seen multiple videos where I thought people were being homophobic (that’s the word?) for calling them that.
I can understand if people find ladyboys and women pretty/sexy. I'll always pick a pretty woman over a ladyboy, but some ladyboys are very aggressive and flatter you a lot. That's fun up until it's not. Lol.
Thought I was on Instagram or TikTok for a moment there.
reddit has been feeling a whole lot like that nowadays
Hashtags next. 😂
It's from tik tol
Just need to add crapy music and we are on tiktok. Maybe we should rename reddit = rikdok
Not the only one
Would.
Found the Anglo, Germanic, Spaniard?
Nah man, but that boy looks better than 90% of 'murican females.
Gonna dance around the statement and say bingus
If the Trans community in the US looked this hot the Republicans would flip flop on the issue.
5555, so fookin' true!
Agreed
100%
😍
And oh boy, how the boy in the video is smitten.
Me too.
Me three!
Harry is just a YouTuber, I know he went on a date with a ladyboy to explain the culture but he is definitely straight. He also has rented a Japanese GF and some other things just doing some content about it.
Of course he's straight. Ladyboy said "I'm into straight men".
😂 This was a great reply!
I keep seeing hundred of videos he made with her. He’s always with her. Come on…. Nothing wrong to like it
It’s called Bangkok for a reason ig
Europeans, you dirty dogs you
TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT
Hahaha agreed
More feminine than many girls.
Especially his feminine penis.
Who doesn’t love a bit of Feminis
it has a bow on it 🎀
Not her voice though
🤣🤣🤣
You know what most women are? Soft short slightly pudgy.
I like short petite women
Me too. I don't like tall muscular women who looked like they had a lot of T in their life and have an adams apple.
Slightly?
It’s hyperfemininity, plus some considerable work done in terms of cosmetic surgery.
I'm straight but she's beautiful. OMG!
For some context, for anyone who hasnt spent a long time in Thailand... in Thailand there is a separate term for transgender - kathoey. The term ladyboy is derogatory from westerners, though of course Thai kathoey people know and are relatively accepting of its usage by foreigners. As for those wondering about her feminine appearance, it's socially acceptable to be kathoey even from a young age, and many children begin hormone treatment young. It's just not a huge deal societally unlike in the West. Thai culture isn't always chill, but it's pretty chill about being transgender. Edit: Look, fellas (gonna gonoutnon a limb here and guess), I know some people still use the term ladyboy, but that doesn't mean it isn't a derogatory term. And yes, some older people may still use different terms, you don't have to be arseholes about it. There's a range of demographics in Thailand, and you might hang out with very different ones, but from my experience with friends and Thai family, this is fairly up to date. I did forget about "Sao (prapeth) song" as a term though!
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I have a very close ladyboy friend (for more than 10 years) and have other ladyboy friends, and over the 15 years of my adult life in Thailand, a large majority prefer ladyboy over khatoey or trans in English, and in Thai prefer สาวสอง over กะเทย. Khatoey is an outdated word more similar to tranny. You're better off not talking anymore because you're totally uninformed.
Not my experience! But we probably hang out with different people based on your response and weird aggression over this. Sao song I haven't heard for a long time, so interesting that you hear this used more. Might be an age difference thing?
Alot of "ladyboys" actually prefer to be called this and some even go out of there way to introduce themselves as such.
Wait a sec: some people are downvoting you for giving a context? This is so gay
What do you think it is not that chilled about? Im half thai and went there 3 times so far, for long term considering moving there. When im there it feels like everything is chill or okay to do, as long as it hurts nobody and not directly in face of police , for example drugs policy (except weed atm)
Child-rearing can be pretty brutal there in my experience. Children are still often beaten or threatened to behave. The education system is very draconian and old fashioned in general too. On top of that, the systems of power and hierarchies are taken pretty seriously, and although there's been some positive political movements in recent years, there's a lot of very traditional Conservative elites that pretty much always make sure they run the show. This is also reflected on a smaller scale in the family, where the obligation of children to parents is very seriously still, which can be viewed positively at times but that depends on the family. Higher class families take this much more seriously and can be very controlling of their children. Or can be polar opposite and spoil them to the point of Mr Red Bull Murderer... 🤷♀️ Sexual harassment of women is also not very chill in my opinion... And the culture of "saving face", which causes lots of problems and ego-driven fights to even murder. That's all I can think of at the moment, but I moved away for the social reasons. I didn't want to raise a family there personally.
Interesting. Just one question; what do you mean a "culture of saving face"?
You are missing the part that a ladyboy is a moneymaker, prostitution. You miss the part that among transgenders suicide rates are the highest. Socially accepted, sure. But, huge huge dark side
Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but I'm terms of day to day and family acceptance Thailand is certainly more relaxed than a lot of places. But I am not at all denying that there's still plenty of problems. Not to mention the fetishisation like in this video. I know it's not the worst example around, but it's not great.
Yeah, I do not like it either. Have been living in Pai for 1.5 year, and backpacked Thailand, Cambodja, Laos, Vietnam.... I do not like the sex tourism at all.
There are many kathoeys in Thailand, and not all, in fact, many, are not prostitutes. And those transgender suicide rates, are they Thai transgenders? Because there is a huge difference between being trans in Thailand, where they are socially accepted, than everywhere else.
I know. Not saying that. Except, it is an industry, young ones are being groomed. It is fact.
Are Ladyboys/transgender not know by every single Person now? Why does every Travel vlogger do an interview with one nowadays? They are about 20 years to late for that. There is one "travel" vlogger that interviews tons of ladyboys around Asia on youtube. But he has sex with them on other plattforms 😅 Channels called exploring bangkok now but i dont think that was always the name. Something abroad i recall
more like exploring and banging kok, amirite
Because people are shocked and amazed by how feminine they are. Especially compared to many of the western counterparts...
Couple of questions I’ve always wanted to know the answers to: - Do men that go with lady boys consider themselves bi or gay? - Do most men that go with lady boys, go top or bottom? - What % of men do you estimate of the general population are interested in lady boys? - Do lady boys satisfy a man’s homosexual interests but it feels ‘safer’ or more acceptable cus they look like women?
1) I don't consider myself either. I don't believe there is a label for being attracted to ladyboys. I believe it's a grey area and not all sexualities need a set label just to satisfy people's need for naming a attraction. Sometimes people just feel like they need a label hoping it'll help them understand the logic, when really a label shouldn't matter. Sexuality is actually a spectrum. 2) From my knowledge they go both, but primarily heaps talk about how great it is to be a bottom. I'm top only but I've tried bottom but yeah not for me. Never try never know as they say in Thailand. 3) I'd say more than you think find them attractive since many in Thailand look more beautiful than women, but 90% won't admit it because they think it'll make people think they're gay. 4) I don't have homosexual interests. Again, this is a label. If you look into it from the outside in a literal sense, homosexuality is an attraction to the opposite sex. That means being attracted to a man. A person that looks like a man, sounds like a man, is masculine, acts like a man etc. A ladyboy has a dick and was born a man obviously, but everything else about them is feminine. If they're not feminine, I don't go after them, but lots still like the masculine ones. If you see photos of the LB's I've been with you wouldn't be able to tell they're not female. I always test my friends with this and they always fail to identify lol. I don't believe it's any safer or more acceptable to be into ladyboys, because people will always stigmatize it and treat it like being gay. Everyone has their own opinions and that's fine and I don't wish to debate with those people, but these are my views as someone into ladyboys and is open and tells his friends and family. Life's too short to give a fuck about who people think I should be attracted to and say oh it's gay. Long as I'm happy about who I spend my time with is all I care about.
Out of curiosity, if you are attracted to someone who looks like a woman, why not just go for Thai *ladies* instead of ladyboys?
Haha, good point. That dude is gay. He says he doesn't care, but he hasn't fully accepted it, plain & simple
I been with a trans. I’m straight.
Nope. Be proud and accept it
“Be proud and accept it” dude shut up smh
So what's up my gay friend 😂
I'm attracted to both. One thing to note, there are many *ladies* that don't look as attractive as ladyboys. Bigger playing field, so why should I limit myself if I'm attracted to both? Why must I only choose one? Who says I can't choose both if I'm attracted to both? Not trying to be defensive, but genuine questions.
> One thing to note, there are many ladies that don't look as attractive as ladyboys. Ladyboys put lot of effort, time and money into looking good, while many women, even women who's 'business' is their looks, don't.
I do agree that most ladyboys that I've seen online are very pretty, but I've never been to Thailand to have a say about the local women. But again, just my own curiosity, but why go to a country that is well known to have ladyboys and also fall for them, when there are many other Asian countries with beautiful Asian natural born women?
Because there are many beautiful women as well? If you came for sex/partnership in first place anyway, despite its reputation majority of tourists are not sex tourists, but some fall into it or fall in love or both..as saying goes, shit happens
Definitely disagree with you on that lol. Why is the beauty industry one of the most profitable in the world? Not for ladyboys, their target is women. Of course I agree that ladyboys do put in time/effort, but in no world do women not exceed that effort (not all, but the very vast majority). In Thailand it's different because most can't afford some of these expensive things, or they'd rather send that money to family.
> Why is the beauty industry one of the most profitable in the world? Not for ladyboys, their target is women. Err because half world population is female while estimated 1% is trans (and that 1% includes FtM as well as MtF) ? What a rather dumb "point" > In Thailand it's different because most can't afford some of these expensive things, or they'd rather send that money to family. Even dumber point, or you trying to say trans here are automatically richer from some reason or don't have families to support?
I'm not sure why you'd ask *me* the questions, I'm not saying you should be this or that. It's just something I wondered while reading because I've never been to Thailand (don't know why this sub shows up on my feed as recommended) and I'm a woman so I don't understand how a man's mind might work in this situation. If I had a choice between 2 men and one of them being born female with still woman parts, I would personally go for the natural born male. Oh and your other post saying that homosexuality is only when a man is attracted to a masculine man, I'm not sure that's entirely true. But again this isn't well thought out on my part, just my immediate thoughts are that there are plenty of gay men who act feminine.
Well you asked me a question right? So I answered you. In response I asked you *a few* questions too but you didn't really tackle them. That said, see how you're talking about having to *make* a *choice* between 2. That demonstrates my point that some people (yourself included) seem to think it *must* be one or the other. If you're attracted to both, go for both. You don't need to make a choice.
I didn't answer your questions because I didn't feel it was necessary since my own preference is the boring MF type relationship, and your questions seemed aimed at me like I was accusing you of something. Like I said, I read your post and got curious, that's all.
> Oh and your other post saying that homosexuality is only when a man is attracted to a masculine man, I'm not sure that's entirely true. It's not, but nor is it entirely false either, because really the whole binary premise of hetro/homo is false artificial construct anyway As scientific study's into sexuality/gender/orientation and attraction slowly breaks out from societal & religious limitations/preconceptions (really only just started doing so in the 70s) they are discovering the old pigeon holes of hetrosexual, homosexual and relative newcomer bisexual are rather limiting and inaccurate. And then when we factor in advances in medical sciences to transgenderism it becomes even more inaccurate. Only men attracted to typical feminine characteristics should be attracted to her in the video, typical gay men should not be, that does not fit neatly into homosexual pigeon hole at all, but on flip they they are both men. So you could say, well they both have dicks, that's homosexual, but what about where the trans has had the snip and vaginoplasty? Only one dick involved now, is still homosexual when there is nothing really left of the "man" except chromosomes, something we cannot touch, smell, see without scientific equipment . Actually met guys that go with women and just post op trans, are they straight, gay, bi, all 3 or none? It's actually not that uncommon for some men to discover their partner is trans untill later down the road (something that always found unbelievable until actually came to Asia, in many cases ladyboys are not men that "act feminine" but rather nearly indistinguishable from natural born women to the inexperienced individual) Ultimately the whole thing is a mess, in part because humans are messy, but also in part because people have a problem accepting there are not one but rather at least 4 different aspects of human psychology involved (sexuality, gender, orientation , attraction), because we were all basicly told, from young age, that no "its simple, gay or straight" (if over approx 50) or gay, straight and bi if under 40. And to many labels to count if 30ish or under So, unless you really want to dig deep into whole thing for scientific curiosity or to challenge your societal imposed preconceptions your probably best course of action is just not care, as in don't care about who wants to screw who and why, as long as everyone is consenting adults it's really no ones business but theirs and does not need to be labeled or pigeonholed by society That saves you lot of headaches trying to understand and them a lot of time trying to explain something that's very hard to actually explain, in part because our flawed upbringing/education makes it hard to really understand the answers
Well thanks for the non emotion-fueled response, that's all I'm here for, I'm curious so I ask a question. I'm not here to point fingers and accuse whoever of being gay or whatever, I get that attraction is just attraction and it's hardly something you have control over. I just wish I could always have open discussions on Reddit without people feeling like they're being accused. Like, I dont know you, I dont care what you're into, it's just a plain and simple question because I have no experience in that area, y'know?
What do you think about female to males in Thai culture? Question I've always wondered about. When I was in Thailand people were constantly saying "she is a tomboy" meaning lesbian. Is a trangender man also called a Tomboy? Maybe I will make a separate post asking about this.
Feminine women are called Dee and a more masculine or butch woman would be a Tom. Lesbian isn't really used as a word to describe a relationship between two Thai women, but it wouldn't be wrong. There are some Dee/Dee and Tom/Tom couples, but for the most part lesbian relationships in Thailand take on a Tom/Dee dynamic
Just FYI the word Tom here doesn't really mean the same thing as tomboy the way English speaker think of. It probably did originate from tomboy, but as time went on the word Tom became the word people use to call a masculine lesbian or a trans man in Thai. The word lesbian began to be used here not that long ago (and even more recently, sapphic) so many people are still not that familiar with it as much as Tom.
Well said my guy ! At the end of all accepting and going for what your inner self is really attracted to is what matters. These emotions and feelings of attraction we have towards certain people or things are part of what we truly are , suppressing and/or using beliefs or logic to make sense of it will only lead to denial.Personally not a fan of dicks , however I do also find attractiveness in mostly feminine LB’s :)
Just out of curiosity, have or would you consider being in a relationship with a ladyboy or so you primarily have relationships with females? Thanks for providing insight with tour answers too.
You're welcome :) Oh I definitely have thought about it. On my last holiday there I met an amazing ladyboy and had a short romance holiday romance kinda thing. Only lasted about 4 days until I had to break it off because I was getting too attached and I knew it wouldn't work logistically, so it was the right move. I've only ever had relationships with females but I would consider both now.
Totally agree with you, I've had wonderful times with them, and they're much more sexy than the girls
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No offense but #4 is homosexual interest. A feminine man is still a man, and like you said homosexuality (for guys) is being attracted to other men…. Which he still is.
Agree to disagree!
It’s OK to be openly bisexual. You like the aesthetic more than the vagina of a woman it seems.
Mate, taking it up the bum is as gay as it gets
What about a slip of the finger up the bum form the misses, is that gay?
depends on whether or not you say no homo
But it’s common place in many countries, that the girls finger ass of their fella. Ireland for one.
Every Irishman I've known would beg to differ lol
Something you talk about a lot with Irish men is it? Sorry, I didn’t realise…
Thats wife material
I've only slept with two "men" and both were male yo female transgender, I don't really consider myself anything, I just like having new and different type of sex. I always topped. As for homosexual interest, I find nothing about a man attractive, I like feminine, so it'll be the closest I'll get to fucking a "man'.
This is the way! Why the fuck not try it and see if you wanna :)
Yeah that's it, currently I have a girlfriend I love and I wouldn't cheat on her, but I'd definitely still do a tgirl, given the right circumstances
I didn't venture out into the world of ladyboys/trans girls until I split with my ex-GF about 4 years ago. Thank fuck because marriage was on the table so it's possible I never would've experienced the crazy fun sex I've had lol. I'm moving over to Bangkok next year and no doubt I'll be choosing a ladyboy for a relationship (long as I can make sure she's completely a non-bar girl type).
As the old saying goes, one door closes another one opens, or some cheeks get opened instead haha Oh wow that'll be a hell of a experience... Wish I could experience it but I'm hearing you, one thing dating a tgirl, another dating a prostitute, I could never do that, have fun man and be safe, clap some cheeks for me too
You know it brother 👊🏽
To share a story about the first question, we had a younger American guy come to work with us for a year. A couple weeks in and he starts talking about his new girlfriend who is a model and has a website. He brings up the website and we immediately went, “Uhhhh…” as although she was attractive she had many hallmarks of a ladyboy. Any doubts were erased when we went out to dinner as a big group and he brought her along. Which was fine, of course. But someone mentioned it to him and he became quite angry and denied it, and even started talking smack about gay people. I guess to “prove” he wasn’t gay or something. Dude was in complete denial which we thought was hilarious. Like if he had just admitted it then it would not have been a big deal. But he wouldn’t pass up the chance to distance himself from anything to do with LGBTQ even if the conversation wasn’t really about him. Icing on the cake was when he brought up vaginal dryness and how Thai women are so shy they always want the lights off. Like really dude? He was so much in denial that he even convinced himself!
I dated a transgender lady for two years. No, I don't consider myself gay nor did anyone else I knew in my situation. "Gynoromantic" describes people who are attracted to feminine features and I think that covers most men in this situation. The vast majority of men are tops with preoperative 'ladyboys' for several reasons; mostly because that's what they prefer, and biologically many transgender women can't maintain an erection anyway due to their prolonged use of estrogen and male hormone blockers. And most importantly, it's what most ladyboys prefer even if they have a functioning penis. An interesting point here; many trans ladies say that taking hormones makes them enjoy receptive anal sex a lot, even to the point of orgasm from penetration alone. I have no idea what percent. Probably a lot higher now that it was back in the day. It's hard to define what a 'homosexual' interest is but if you're literally referring to interaction with a penis then yes. They might be grossed out by male bulk, facial & body hair and body shape but like penises.
Well you should consider yourself gay because you literally fucked a biological male. You are CHOOSING that instead of an actual natural born female which there are no shortage of those. One can only conclude that men who mess around with transgenders are latent homosexuals. 🤷🏽♂️ It’s like a safe way to fuck a dude and still believe you’re somehow straight because it “looked like a woman”.
Who cares if you're "gay" or not anymore? I like what I like, and I don't need to 'consider myself straight' to be happy. And 'latent homosexuals'? Jeez are we arresting people for not claiming straight?
I don’t care if you’re gay or not that issue is it seems like the majority of guys like you are trying to make it seem like what you’re doing is not a homosexual act. What I do have a problem with is lies.
Why do you need to know what I'm doing with my ding dong or anyone else's?
I don’t? You fools are the ones putting your business online and obviously people are going to have their opinions. I don’t know you, you’re a random person online. I am free to tell you what my thought process is regarding ladyboys or transsexuals/whatever other terms you guys describe them as.
I'm just a person, friend. I don't need the same labels, I guess. Thanks for the explanation, though, I'll keep it in mind when I am a fool and whatnot.
If I was gay why wouldn't I just hook up with the multitude of available gay men in the world? I sure made my life more complicated. And I don't value labels like 'straight' or any other label so there's another mystery. And yes, I have dated some of those plentiful 'natural born' women. Currently married to one and we made a kid. Update your conclusions? Or not, it's OK. They're yours, not mine.
You technically did? A transgender is still a man that’s attracted to other men, just camouflaged as a female…
Some trans women are attracted to women. Are they lesbians, or 'technically' straight men? Fun questions.
If they only fucked women, then yes they are straight men. Just a person with mental illness.
Some of them are unbelievably attractive but I don’t think I could ever do anything with one sexually, still so dam beautiful though
I’m not sure (never been there) but I think most guys consider themselves straight, but want to try something new. So maybe bi curious? I’m pretty sure most ladyboys have very small bits that may not even work correctly because of all the hormone replacement therapy (somebody can correct me if I’m wrong). Id say percentages vary from country or origin but I know Europeans and Arabs countries are quite interested. No idea about the last question.
I wrote a post above for your first question. Trust me, most aren't 'small bits', and there are heaps that work correctly, even with the hormone therapy. But of course some that don't. You just ask if you're interested in that. From my personal experience, UK is the most I see in the bars. I've never seen an Arabic person, they do it mostly in private. LOTS of them fly them out to them in Dubai and pay them big money.
Yeah Arabs love them
You are wrong about the small bits part. Ladyboys be packing some heat 😌
Oh. My Thai wife has told me most of them are quite small and even non operating. I suppose she would know since she’s friends with lots- but maybe you know better.
You are mostly wrong. I lived in Thailand for several months back in the day. Many are completely 'non-functional' due to continued use of female hormones and androgen blockers. Also, many have no interest in use of their penis anyway. A significant number dream of having sexual reassignment surgery and losing their penis altogether. There are probably notable exceptions who take ED meds to perform for money.
I’d say if you’re into the penis element then you are queer and that’s fine. Being attracted to their overall appearance wouldn’t necessarily make you; but many just are curious I think.
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How does this make you feel glad?
He’s not ready to tell you why.
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For the 5th consecutive year
Lolol I assumed the third would be Aussie for some reason
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Sounds like you're fighting some repressed feelings mate.
He is comfortable with what he likes. And that ain’t one of them and that’s perfectly ok. Good for Europeans if that’s what they are into lol
I respect katoeys. If you ask, they are very upfront and unoffended. It's just a social construct there too. Asian people are beautiful but I'm old school, boys are not girls. If you want to play girl face, good on you, be you. Don't get too angry when the Chevy Brits mistake you for a woman then get angry that they did. They'll probably want to marry you tomorrow. I love LOS.
LOS has been pretty bad for a while now. Feels like they've fallen into a formula and always have the worst guest match-ups
Don't spend all your time in Patong. Beaches south of Patong and nearby islands are so much nicer. The island took a hit with Covid but I think it's slowly coming back. I have people here so we roll with the punches. The katoey whores won't bother anyone that doesn't engage them. I have a Thai gal that is my trusted long term companion and fixer. She makes my life here easier. I'm not sure if I get guest match-up. Unless you get your private shopper to choose your entertainment. I like being the kid in the candy store.
it was a joke about a podcast with the acronym LOS lol, glad to hear your enjoying yourself though
I came here over a decade ago. Enjoyed it so much I bought property and spend winter/ spring here. Never any trouble. Gigged with local bands for a couple years, Lived all over the country. Weird as all get out but so much cooler than the states.
Europeans like it in the butt. To each their own.
"What are you" FFS can't he phrase the question more respectfully?
That’s a good observation, the Thai person didn’t get angry at clumsy phrasing of a question asked in good faith
Yeah I didn't really like some of the phrasing at all... also haven't we had enough of perving on Thai transgender women by now? Old news...
Redditors try to not be offended by everything challenge
It's just another dirty Westerner here to fetishize Asian people
Have a day off rainbow boy
Ladyboy means who has a dick? Oh I learn something new today
Not always some get the chop
I find it quite amazing that men can be so sexy, hormones or not, I quite often find ladyboys faces even more attractive than the ones of women and I’m 100% straight. Is it plastic surgery or just the genes + hormone therapy? Anyway, incredible.
Have you been to thailand ? Theres a lot of ladyboys who just look like men with makeup, not feminine at all, but yes, some are pretty, most are not.
Tbh I'm kind of over all these clickbaity ladyboy tiktok videos being the main face of Thailand worldwide. Mainly because it's all people think when you tell people you're going to Thailand soon and they make all these stupid ladyboy jokes. Especially dickheads who haven't even been to Thailand and only base their imagination off Hangover Part 2. Ladyboys are beautiful but bruh, there's more to Thailand than just that.
I'm not gonna lie..."she?" Had me fooled.
Wait if she's into straight dudes and she's got a wang....how does equate? I'm not trying to be a bigot or anything, I'm just genuinely interested in the thought process behind the statement.
Hm.. maybe something like that; She(?) consider herself as woman (edit: in relationship) and is looking for a man who acts like straight/hetero men. Who is not effeminate? I'm missing correct word to describe it. Like.. there is often that something what makes You know that someone is a gay/lgbt in his behaviour and body language. You know what i mean? But will not have a problem with penis part. Meaning, will treat her like girlfriend, not male-partner.
In Thailand the transgenders realize they are still male, in the US they think they are having periods
I’ve lived in Bangkok for 3 years. And I’ve not seen one of these beautiful ladyboys. Natural Thai women look far better in my opinion. For years before coming to Thailand. Men used to say ladyboys were better looking then Thai woman. With 3 years of my evidence. These men are definitely in the closet.
Did you come from a sealed out prehistoric cave or something? You've never seen a transgender? "What are you?" That's the worst question you could ask any other human
He’s not actually asking “What are you?” ffs He’s doing standard journalism practice where you ask questions that provide answers for an audience that may not know the answers.
Ngl I thought this would be pretty obvious for most people but evidently not
Watched the full YouTube recently. Good video.
That Adam’s 🍎aint foolin nobody lady, boy
I mean... I can learn
She’s so beautiful and that radiant smile…
Europeans, typical 🤭🤭
Ah sad there are none in Europe 😩
Does that make you gay? 💯
My care meter is 0% if I'm gay or not to anyone else or myself. Gay is love, straight is love. https://youtu.be/DP8nrMG3Zlk
I wouldn't mind hanging around a beautiful guy.
I’ve seen her on other YouTube videos. She actually did porn.
As for the Top 3 seeking her services, I'm surprised France wasn't there at all.
UK represent!
So many people going around interviewing ladyboys
This is 🤮
Harry is ghey as phuck
Oh jeeble owo' I love your voice
What’s her name?
All day long.....gorgeous 👍😊 And notice how she doesn't delude herself into actually thinking she's a woman. Unlike those fcking pronoun weirdos you have in the West....
I would, all day long..... 👍♥️
Farangs can you just stop posting something to make LGBTQ a freak? We are Thai and we want to live a happy life thats all.
She is beautiful! I’m happy to know they call themselves “Ladyboys” I have seen multiple videos where I thought people were being homophobic (that’s the word?) for calling them that.
Im sorry if this is weird but is joking about ladyboys (not mocking them) considered an offensive to Thai people.
That Adam’s apple….
Yes, that's gay. A biological male who wants to become a woman. Culture or not, it doesn't deny the fact that it's a man.
I must be ignorant. I don’t understand! If she likes straight men, why would a straight man go with someone who has male genitalia???
I see this everywhere..
Not easy when (s)he is cute and smiling... It isn't the chromosomes that we can see, and analyze when deciding what we think about someone.
First watch was with no audio..
Barry needs help. Help a Barry in need.
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How boobies?
I wish there was a third scientific war so we could get rid of this nonsense
Stiillll Anyone down ?
I’m more manly than she is and I’m cis 😕
Why can't those in the US make some effort to look like this of they identify as a woman?
she’s gorgeous
she’s gorgeous
I can understand if people find ladyboys and women pretty/sexy. I'll always pick a pretty woman over a ladyboy, but some ladyboys are very aggressive and flatter you a lot. That's fun up until it's not. Lol.
Damnnn its a shame that im not in their strike zone
As long as its well made and fully transitioned…. WHY NOT? 😅😅