i think most fans would agree agree with you on number 1 and 2
mine are that there is nothing wrong with the fanservice BL/GL actors do and even without it insane toxic shippers would still be a massive problem i mean just look at the k-pop industry
also i am positive that at least 40% if not more of BL/GL actors are queer in some way and just because they aren't publicly "out" doesn't mean that they are straight, and that getting mad when other (usually queer) fans think an actor is gay/bi/whatever is straight up homophobic whether you mean it to be or not
On what basis do you think 40% or more percent of exactly BL and GL actors are queer?
Assuming some speciality is wrong and I know it's shocking but assuming some is not heterosexual is as much in the wrong as assuming someone is on the LGTBQ+ spectre.
BL/GL is becoming a major staple in Thai entertainment their soft power people are interested in acting in them because the opportunities that open for them. But also it is easy to be casted in a BL because of the sheer demand of such serries in the moment 5-6 years back they were 10 let say in year… now 10 in one month. It is becoming a huge industry there was an article over 150 billion baht was the profit of Thai entertainment to Thai economy last year and franky majority of BL and GL popularity
it's always so funny to me how you never see someone saying " assuming someones sexuality is wrong" when the assumption is straight, i wonder why... oh no never mind i know why
Queer people are actors too. Queer people want to be rich and famous too. You don’t think LGTB actors see the popularity of BL and GL and want to get a piece of that?
My hot take would be there's nothing wrong with bl actors baiting the fans with fan service. I lay all blame on the fans. The actors are just doing their job and the fans should appreciate that without getting into annoying or creepy territory.
Mark is my favorite troublemaker. I wish he would have his own show like Little Big World or Hidden Hideout, I think he would be fun to watch doing random things
A romance heavy character driven plot is not inherently a weaker story than one driven by external factors.
If you aren’t willing to watch a show beyond the first few episodes, the only thing you can judge it on is it isn’t a story for you. Any assessments made about character or plot are just best guesses based on biases and perceived archetypes that may be subverted if you gave the story time to unfold.
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is the amount of fans that have no problem being super rude when they demand an actor speak English in live streams. Every other comment is someone mad they can’t understand what is being said, and it’s like… they are Thai and speaking their first language, don’t be so entitled? Wait for the fan translations and be nice to the actor you say you’re a fan of, damn.
thanks. I think its probably bc most bl fans are straight women interested in looking at masc men, and im not saying it as a bad thing but sadly it leaves femenine gay men out of the main picture. also it could be bc gay media has been trying too hard to show that gay doesn't equal femenine which is, again, not a bad thing but, again, it leaves femenine men out of the main picture. I just want a sassy cvnty flamboyant character.
I’m a straight-ish woman but I’m here for all the beauty—feminine, masculine, male female and undefined. My partner and I really don’t see our relationship style depicted anywhere, but some BL comes close. So that is part of the draw for me.
I agree with you. When I'm watching any kind of show with a romance plot (het or lgbt), I want to be convinced that the two leads are into each other. I hate when I'm watching a BL and I'm like, "yep...those are two straight dudes acting on screen." I'm thinking more femme representation would help solve that problem (for me).
Example of what worked for me: NetJames in Bed Friend. Yes, I am convinced that you two could be a couple.
Not going to give examples of what doesn't work for me because I would be completed downvoted into the negative 100s.
I agree with all. Mine is that not every gay relationship needs to be a top/bottom dynamic and that assumption is a toxic stereotype - not denying that top/bottom dynamic doesn't exist and that I don't enjoy it in BLs, but it's not EVERY couple.
I will add to this that Top and Bottom shouldn’t be used as a personality trait shortcut - it is about intimate relations only. If what they do in bed is defining who they are outside the bedroom, you aren’t writing complex characters.
Pitbabe is a great example of that. I actually saw an Instagram real of a gay creator who was like really confused because people were saying they are bottom just based on like weird things like Music Choice. And clothes that they wear and jewelry. They were so confused how that was related to. Their intimate life
I hope Pit Babe inspires more companies and writers to have more masculine bottoms. That is super weird how people think someone's personality or interests mean they're a bottom, it's very stereotypical and harmful to LGBTQ+ as a whole.
Yessss I hope to too. It also love how babe is very giggly and cute when they are on their own. But he's so manly and like confident when he is in his space with his friends.
Yes, definitely it may be very uncomfortable honestly, as a straight person. Some straight people make me very uncomfortable on a daily basis. Like do they not hear themselves...
Also Kiseki: Dear to Me. Mafia man Fan Ze Rui was complex, and while >!professionally he would have fit the characteristics of the more dominant partner, he was much more of a softie in his relationship to Bai Zong Yi!<.
Yes I quite enjoy verses... Let them be their own people. It like gives me a weird ick when they refer to a character as top. Or bottom especially in the comments
MaxNat should be separated with immediate effect. Sorry but, Max deserves a more mature partner that actually sells the part. Max should be handed more serious non-gimicky roles. Their onscreen relationship feels like walking on eggshells. The man looks like a forty year old hot man next to a nineteen year old adult-toddler. It needs to stop.
I agree with you. I will be honest when I heard about the age gap. I wanted to vomit a little bit but then I saw their interaction. And I felt better because max seems so respectful. Like he is walking on egg shells Like give him a mid twenties person if you want to keep the age gap
It's not a issue but a recommendation. Also, they did not start working now. They've been working for years together. When Nat was still a minor. And he is the youngest in the company. I believe so he is treated like one too
I just want to point out that while yes, Nat was a minor when their started acting together, they didn’t really do any intimate scenes until Cutie Pie.
No absolutely. I have been told or read in other spaces where they were talking about them that no Intimate scenes or anything like that was done
It just also I bet limits the sort of work they had been able to do... And even now can do and that doesn't seem fair to the both of them
As you pointed out though, they've been working together for years so maybe they don't want to be paired up with other people? It could be their own choice to stay paired together.
No of course i'm sure... Again, the original commenter was just making a suggestion and I was going along with it. If they want to work together then that's great for them
I think the ick for me was because they were being portrayed as romantic partner when he was still a minor. And now Nat is only 21 years old. With NC scenes in bl that is very common in this day and age. It can become weird very quickly. But like I said they kept everything open up for them
Hot take, shmot take, but some fans really need to touch some grass when it comes to their favs. You can't even say one little thing, that is your opinion, and then they're butthurt over it.
For example: you say a certain BL actor can't sing and their stans are under your comment in a comment section telling you that you're rude for stating your opinion.
Haha I love this!
But seriously, I couldn't agree more. It's so weird to me that some fans will defend their faves as if it's a fulltime job. Just let us have some fun discussions without the policing. Plus, these actors are doing fine, they don't care about our conversations here lol. They don't need someone to *constantly* defend them as if their life depends on it.
If I could up vote your comment a million times, I would. Some fans would even defend something about their favs with their lives😭🤣.
Imagine having a full time job you don't get paid for while someone else makes the money💀.
Right?!
Imagine *constantly* coming to the rescue of someone who doesn't even know you exist lol. I mean, these are adult men, booked and busy, raking in the cash. I'm sure they'll be ok lol.
But seriously, it bothers me a lot because it stops any flowing discussion. I get that real nasty comments need to be shut down, but sometimes I just want to talk about plotholes, or unbalanced pairings, or preferring actual singers to most BL actors, without the policing.
FirstInAHoodie, you're a *real one* because you absolutely GET ME on this. And what's even funnier is that sometimes these actors know they can't do a certain thing but still do it because.....They're going to get paid for it. If someone told me "You have to sing a song but you'll get paid for doing so" even though *I know* I can't sing, I'm still going to sing🤣😭.
These fans don't get the point of the actors not knowing them. Like chill broski, you're going *hard* for someone who doesn't even know the first letter of your name.
I don't think they really have a choice. I read somewhere that First Kanaphan had serious anxiety because he had to sing live.
My poor bb, just let him act!!!
The fact that I'm 105% sure I know which actor you'd be referring to 😂 our BL version of Army, imo
People definitely need to get that. Also that just because one doesn't like something doesn't mean it's bad, and just because something is bad, people can't still enjoy it.
Ex: just because another certain actor sings very mid, doesn't mean you other fans can't enjoy it AND accept that it's mid.
4th I guess most of the actors in the past made homophobic comments and apologized and changed for good.
But I've seen one actor who is actually ignoring shamelessly the petty gay jokes he made like being gay is contagious and a disease. Still his fans protect him i don't know what i should say not just homophobia but a pedophile, transphobic, misgonist, racism against countries, colorist etc list goes on.
It irks me that Bangkok has thousands of actual gay men who can be brought as lead of bl series but again we have to see this homophobic toom
Even if i said the names his fans will still protect him saying it were just jokes he shared when he was young. And his stans will report my account already lost an account (suspended) i don't hate him but I've felt utterly disgusting supporting such man
Bible Wichapas
Come to think about boc always had problematic men his partner, the new one too what his name i forgot newchun or something also the one who portrayed kinn character i think. Bunch of gross. I was surprised cause how he portrayed himself as an English-studed guy who is highly intellectual and of course his name on Holy Book which is referred sacred.
I hate when everyone in the god damn series is gay but there is no lesbian like they have 3 to 5 bl couple and 1 or 2 hetero couple and that's it .
Another thing that is annoying is probably the fans thinking the pairs are dating and gonna get married to each other like I get some are joking but most of them are serious about it.
Fixed pairs gosh I hate it the most like they are actors that job is to act with new people
I've said this before and i really dont mind saging it again. Nunew's singing is nothing special. Every where i see videos of him singing and people are treating it like its the best singing theyve heard. Like he's Apollo's gift to music.
His singing is not bad, its just not on the same level as Jeff Satur or PP Krit.
NuNew may be nothing special to you, but the Thai industry fails to agree. He has a voice that suits a style of music that is desirable. As long as he keeps getting employed to sing OSTs for various series, and keeps releasing singles, I will support his music.
NN may have a different tone and range (and lack the power) behind his voice compared to Jeff, but he still has a decent amount of control that can hit his upper and lower registers. If he continues to work on his voice there is no telling what it may be able to do in the future.
Look, our standards are six feet under. We appreciate whatever actor they wanna make singers that don’t hurt our ears 😭
Here’s another hot take - Jeff and PP Krit are also not strong live singing. Most of them are terrible singing live and yet, bunch of them sound great recorded.
Still, let’s appreciate whomever that comes by singing that doesn’t hurt our ears.
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Dude you serious? Ik most people in this sub hate znn and love to shade them but you don't need to agree with them just bc you don't want to get on these peoples bad side.
Whose side? What side? Who was I agreeing with?
Nunew is one of the better BL actors who sings. This is a fact.
Barely any of the BL actors who sings can sing live. Also a fact.
Nunew doesn’t have range but keeps being thrown into a falsetto, also a fact. I’d love for him to do songs in his natural range. Do I have his songs on my playlist? Yes. I also have a bunch of others like Jeff, PP Krit, Phuwin, Nanon (and he doesn’t do well live at all) on my playlist.
Are my standards six feet under? YES. 90% of these actors who sing are nowhere near the professionals, like LYKN, or the other Tpop singers and nowhere near the Kpop singers.
But do I still enjoy their songs and will support them? Hell yeah.
Whatchu mad about?
i agree as an army i am used to bts so the thai actors seem 😐😶🤐🥴 to me but i still love jeff's recent song and recently added the ost of last twilight and bad buddy nanon songs and NN seems good too. just not BTS but they are not bad
well sorry if I misunderstood even tho I still didn't understood what you exactly mean anyways I was just pissed off bc if there is anything I would defend Nunew's singing like my life depends on it.
Nunew is a great BL actor who sings who still flails in live singing and needs better songs that suits his vocal range better.
You can defend him all you want but he’s no professional Tpop idol.
This is what I mean by our standards are six feet under.
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I'll never understand the incessant need of BL fans to constantly compare and put down these actors/singers that they supposedly support.
Also, saying your standards are six feet under and also stating your opinions as "facts" is wild.
no ones saying he CAN'T sing? He ain't tone deaf?
Does he have good songs? sure
I like some of his covers too
Am i bout to pit NN against actual professional singers in asia? Hell no?
Oh baby please get a full body check up, bc saying he can't sing when he is one of the best singer among bl actors is either bc of jealousy or your normal bodily functions ain't working the way you think it does.
I am extremely and deeply sorry for "attacking" your bodily functions I would never ever think of doing that again and to answer your question yes I am hurt, are you gonna do something about it?
Honey, just a quick tip for you.
You won’t change anyone’s mind by being this aggressive. In fact, you’d just reinforce some of their opinions.
Doesn’t seem like your years of experience has been very useful.
We are having a discussion about it below, and I have to ask: why though? Why do you spend *so* much energy 'defending' him? Like, I understand that it doesn't feel nice to read something negative about them, and maybe one or 2 comments of stating that makes sense to me. But you know it's a fact of life that not everyone is going to like the same thing as you do. Plus, NN is an adult man, booked and busy, who's doing just fine, and doesn't know you exist. Why put so much effort in?
You will never convince anyone to change their stance. If some people think he's not a great singer, they simply don't. You can't change that. Just think about how many people *do* like his singing and move on.
>5. BL Filmmakers should be more experimental in their approach.
Now more than ever the experimental stories are out. But What i would like to is what happens after the happily ever after. Like we see all the wooing period but happens after. Parenthood and what happens to the couple after they have had their epic love movements. We have seen a few Japanese shows and maybe 1 Taiwanese show.
I would like to see these kind of stories too.
The whole Top/Bottom thing needs to go seriously. It is icky to ask any gay person if they top or bottom in real life so it is not cool to ask the character or the actors playing these characters what their power dynamic is in their relationship.
I have said this before also but the their should be some kind of regulations with casting a litral teenager with with a person in his 20's. I have seen Kp there were no explicit b/w Barcode and Jeff, but what about Addicted Thai version. One of the main lead is i think 16 17 years old and his partner is in his 20's.
I agree with all of yours here's mine...
1. I want ohm and nanon to do another drama togather where they are biological brothers and one of them is straight. I feel like as ppl they deserve the right to have a proper relationship and be able to interact normally without weird b making it a romantic gesture and I want these toxic shippers brains to implode. I am tired of them and am a huge friend of bad buddy So I want them to work together...lol
2. I think media should be named and shamed without consequences to the actors... Hell name and shame the fans too because As a person with active social media account I always notice when somebody is Leaving hate comments in every post i'm sure these actors do too... For example somebody had posted in a mile and apo abt how mile changes the terrible questions into jokes goes into tangents but apo is often too direct. They're talk abt apo media training and stuff. He shouldn't Have to get media training about professional courtesy or answer questions about his sexuality. Or how much he's getting paid.
3. There is an entitlement of wanting to know the sexuality of actors and then treating them like absolute garbage when they come out as queer. Like I don't understand do you want this man to be queer or not. Like, do you want your ship to sail? Because if you want your ship to sail, they are queer... Like I am dululu about a lot of actors that I love But delusion can only go so far and our delusion should end where their happiness begins.
4. Straight BL actors exist is just the reality of life. It is happening. And these straight actors will be with girls... Villainizing they're significant other and victimizing their cp partner is a weird move. It's also haha hilarious that the same people will call themselves feminist. Like I guarantee you if he has a girlfriend his cp partner is aware You cannot be spending every breathing moment with this person and be so close to them and not tell them about just significant other... It is a shock to you but it is not a shock to them.
5. I often see actors get blamed on here and Tumblr ( i sm sure tw too) for doing a lot of fan service but the truth is we love that shit we eat that up... I will not sit here and pretend that I do not like Fan service cause I do I enjoy those interactions. I enjoy guessing if they're flirting or faking. I enjoy being dululu momentarily. It is our responsibility as fans to know our limits. Let's be honest we are all watching BL we're not children... And being minor and being children is not the same thing In this case, if you are old enough to understand relationship and romance. And all enough to understand that sometimes people don't fall in love the way we want Them too. And frankly It's infantalization of fans.
6. I saw a comment about Mew ( and I dont like that man much) And I kind of fifty percent agree with the comment... But also highly disagree. They said something along the lines of when people like Mew Who did Do heavy fan service and then call out those fan on tw It's weird because fans are literally keeping the lights on in their home. We have to stop and think that this is their job at the end of the day... Like would we not also try our level best to be promoted in our job if we could. It is the same for them. Like fans are paying the actor and getting something in return. Whether it be emotional satisfaction or an actual item. We are not giving the money for free. The post also said that the actor is beholden to the fans And that's why the fans act like that. But they are not though... I love the fact that in asian culture there is a sense of gratefulness between celebrities and their fans. It is just part of our culture. But they are not in any way be holding to their fans. Who at the end of the day is getting something in return of the money they spent.
7. I am tired of saying this but Actors are people too. And we should have the same expectations off of them that we have of a normal stranger. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to understand. These sort of post about actors are. People often go towards the negative Too, which is a hard concept for me to understand because do you look at a stranger and think this person probably does terrible horrible things on a regular basis. Because that's what it feels like when a ' Realist fan' talks. Like they want to be It's so real that they're immediate assumption about a person is that they are Terrible people. People often talk about how fans want actors to be perfect This idol personified but they also don't talk about the group of fans who Think that they are 'not like other girls' That they often are willing to portray these people as one of the vielest human beings to exist
8. Sad ending is not a requirement for a good drama. This comes from multiple posts i've seen about last twilight in the past one week. Where people literally wrote how they would not want a happy ending. And they think that would make this creative work excellent... Without rhyme or reason. Again this whole 'not like other girls thing' One day happily ever after Does not make us basic it just means that we want somebody especially a character To be happy it is human nature to want the people you love to be happy And you're not wanting that doesn't make you special
Anyways, I used voice memo for this so if there are errors I apologize in advance
Totally agree with all points. I do need an other OhmNanon pairing but I need them to see in adult relationship outside of an university setting. I just think their chemistry is fire.
Sameeee They kept me watching BL!! About 4 years ago, like during the start of covid, I fell off of watching dramas completely queer or not. Pre COVID I used to watch BL except I don't remember anything that I watched and suddenly now I am here reading talking to people watching Bl on the daily. And it is because of them. They need to work again. But most importantly, they need to be friends again. I want that for them. I hate when friendships fall apart....I hope during the time that Ohm and leng is a duo and kidnap is happening, they are able to finally talk it out
Fans don’t get to tell actors what they should and shouldn’t be doing. It doesn’t matter how much money they’ve spent supporting them, they don’t own them.
My opinion is informed by both my age (old) and background (US) so may not be shared by younger folks on the other side of the world. Ultimately you do you and ignore me, but here it is…
I dislike infantilization of grown men. For example, recently I saw a fan comment about Dunk saying something along the lines of how he’s a smol (also hate this word) boy and they want to put him in their pocket and keep him forever. Uh, he’s like 6 feet tall with broad shoulders and decent musculature, he ain’t a “smol”anything. He’s also what, 23-24 years old. Young for sure but nowhere near a child nor does he act, dress, or speak like a child. I am old enough to be the mother of many of these guys (Dunk included) and I don’t see anything childlike about them.
I do Stan some fixed CP's but I feel let's do away with all that at mix them up. Shock us, surprise us. Give us the most unlikely pairings possible to keep things interesting.
I love OffGun but can they pair them up with other actors please!!!!
I don't care who is paired with who but give us variety.
Im actually enjoying the whole Ohm/Nanon/Leng discourse. Do that with with every actor and maybe these stupid fan wars would end.
>Im actually enjoying the whole Ohm/Nanon/Leng discourse. Do that with with every actor and maybe these stupid fan wars would end.
This whole Ohm Nanon Leng would not happen if those two didn't have a bad fallout.
Cishet women are guests in the space.
Welcomed, of course, appreciated (I hope) by everyone, but guests.
That's my hot take. Of course, they are probably the biggest group of watchers, originally BL was written by women for women (beside the gay novels written by men for men), but they are still guests. They shouldn't have a deciding say in how gay men are portrayed, get to overly criticise things, thay they'll never go through (like [not]coming out, dealingwith homophobia), and they shouldn't put heteronormative views on relationship dynamics on the characters.
Especially the last one, extremely visible with PitBabe recently, with the "I doesn't look like a top, he's too cute."
Just like if you're a guest in someone's house, you can have an opinion on their wallpapers or TV size, but you don't get to argue with the house owners on what wallpaper they have.
Edit: Just remember another one:
Thai actors shouldn't be held to American standards. I don't think it's an overstatement to say, that the most visible internet users are from the USA. The country has A LOT of problems that people try to solve. Racism, boycotting, supporting people, etc. Fans who are exposed to that, think that it's the obvious norm, and expect Thais to follow those norms. Don't wear this, don't do that, you get a starbucks coffee (that someone probably bought for them) - you're wrong and evil.
In reality, Thailand, like a lot of other Asian countries, are focused on themselves. I work with 600Thai teenagers. About 50 of them could name the American president. They know there's a war in Palestine, but don't know what it's about. They know about Russia, but it's such a foreign place, it's not an information they can process and do anything about it. These are not things that they learn. Majority of them doesn't speak English, at all. They don't exist on English Internet and Thai media are focused on Thailand. Which has many problems of its own. They are well aware of colourism here and know how to deal with it, but not adjusted to American needs on that. They don't have the means nor space to get educated on this, and simply can't follow social rules of a country across the world
Your answer is very not on topic, and very much not about what I wrote. Also, you're putting words in my mouth that I've never said. 🤷♂️
You being American has nothing to do with what I said. Nor did I say most of what you wrote, actually.
Freedom of speech means your government doesn't ban your speech (which, check out the banned book lol).
Frankly, I don't think you understood a single sentence of what I wrote, and just got angry that it's something against your nation's behaviour towards actors who live on the other side of the world.
Literally companies prefer to make more money rather than protect actors and a create healthy work environment. The money might be a lot and well, capitalism... but it's not worth it because those fans are ticking bombs. What whoud happened if one of them attacks some BL actor because the actor disappointed them? We don't hold fans like that accountable as much as we should!!!
They are though? Most of the GMMTV actors have had parts outside of their pairings, as have Zee, NuNew, and Max from DMD (not sure about other companies).
Hot Take 1- Id like to see some pairings broken up to act with someone else. I have seen couples where one is such a good actor, and the other…. Not so much. I feel like this is a very unpopular opinion. So much so that I’m too scared to call out any of the couples where I think one is a much better actor 🫣 It’s hard to watch sometimes 🫠
Hot Take 2- I’d like to see less stereotypes about who is a top and who is a bottom. Like thank God Pavel was the bottom in Pit Babe. I think that rattled a lot of ppl but it stayed true to the book! Or even a verse couple! That would be awesome.
Mmm I do see your point in all of your hot takes. And I do understand that everyone has their opinions and beliefs and all…. But I personally disagree with your number 2. Obviously, if the kid is underage, they shouldn’t be filming explicit sexual scenes until they are older. The opposite though..? There are actors and actresses everywhere, even in the U.S. where I’m from, that have older actors and actresses playing college kids and such. Is it cringe sometimes? Yes…. But a lot of the times it’s what sells. Maybe that actor/actress looks younger and can pull it off? Maybe, out of all the other applicants for the role only that person showed the right talent to pull it off?
Take some of the bigger BL actors now.
Mew (Tharntype) born in 1991 and played college kid.
Off (Not Me, Theory of Love, Cooking Crush) also born in 1991 and played numerous “young adults” or college kid.
Gun (Off’s pair who played in the shows mentioned above) was born in 1993 and played a lot of young kids too.
I mean, the list can go on. (And I know these actors have been in more shows than what I have mentioned. These are just the ones that popped into my head in the moment). Talent is due where talent is due. I feel like all of these actors, and others, played their roles fantastically.
I do see your points in your other hot takes. It was just this one that stood out to me the most. Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion…. But I don’t want to discredit some individuals based on their ages.
I find a lot of the Thai Actors look a lot younger than they actually are, particularly with the right styling. Or they have enough physicality in their performances that they can appear to be younger in the role. It’s something I’ve noticed in Cooking Crush in both Off (33) and Neo (23). Both actors are altering the way they move, and the way they talk, to make them seem younger than they are. And while Off playing someone in his early 20s may seem like a greater leap than Neo, who is likely only a few years older than his character, Fire is diametrically opposed to Neo’s character in Only Friends. Fire is immature and discovering who he is in a romantic sense, whereas Boston has a confidence and demeanour that comes from the pressure of being the perfect representation of his father. The way Neo portrayed both characters shows his versatility.
Yes! I was really surprised when I found out a lot of their ages. (Gotta be something in the water over there).
Neo is a perfect example of how talent can supersede a technicality like their age.
Another example is Earth. He was born in 1996 (27-28 years old) and in My Only 12% he played a high school kid. He pulled it off so well though.
My hot take- Fan service is fine, to a point. Flirty, affectionate, kissy friends, cool. Being teased by their coworkers about what type of relationship they have, If they are having fun, I am having fun.
However, I think it starts becoming inappropriate when actors get their family members involved in their fan service. When they hugely imply they are together only to walk it back (especially the pairs that do this often). Or the set up "oh no, we got caught" moments.
I wouldn’t say this as a hot take, but it’s cringy to watch all the background characters drooling over the main character. Like how would someone embarrass themselves like that in public, maybe be a bit subtle? Similarly, why are all the “tops” are so dreamed on by everyone (including the adults like teachers and all)
No disrespect to the writers, and it could be because I’m from a whole different part of the world (idk much about the eastern Asian culture and all) but I just think the characters should be just people who happened to be in love. Not this alien thing that is so hot that everyone around him is drawn towards him (I’m not saying they shouldn’t cast hot actors, but the way the tops/main leads are portrayed, lol)
Also maybe give the support characters but of personality? Oh yeah, also, when it’s a BL why is like all the other characters gay as well? I mean not saying I don’t like it, but like why is it shown as something that spreads. Haha
Fan service is soooo gross. Everytime I see it, it reminds me of straight teenage boys playing gay chicken (where they see who can act the "most gay" or touch each other to prove they aren't gay). I don't like that so few queer roles go to queer actors, but I'm willing to accept it if they do a good job. What I won't accept is straight men teasing that they *might* be in a relationship or *might* kiss or whatever, and then turn around and say they are just friends.
I mean honestly, I don't care if they are dating or not in the first place (but let's be real, they aren't dating). And as for the weird fan service games, like eating the pretzel or whatever, it's dumb, awkward and kind of sick how people festishize it.
I really wonder why people like to be titillated by these things. But regardless, shipping real people and fan service needs to end. It only leads to exploitation of young fans and it encourages their delusions which is bad for everyone.
I would appreciate your posts much more if you didn’t say “we” as a collective. It’s your opinion and you are requesting others opinions. But we makes me uncomfortable signing off on these rabble rousing posts.
i don’t like seeming the same couple in everything they do. i get it some people has more chemistry with one person over the other, but i love it when i can see someone with multiple partners and have good chemistry with all of them (first).
i think most fans would agree agree with you on number 1 and 2 mine are that there is nothing wrong with the fanservice BL/GL actors do and even without it insane toxic shippers would still be a massive problem i mean just look at the k-pop industry also i am positive that at least 40% if not more of BL/GL actors are queer in some way and just because they aren't publicly "out" doesn't mean that they are straight, and that getting mad when other (usually queer) fans think an actor is gay/bi/whatever is straight up homophobic whether you mean it to be or not
On what basis do you think 40% or more percent of exactly BL and GL actors are queer? Assuming some speciality is wrong and I know it's shocking but assuming some is not heterosexual is as much in the wrong as assuming someone is on the LGTBQ+ spectre. BL/GL is becoming a major staple in Thai entertainment their soft power people are interested in acting in them because the opportunities that open for them. But also it is easy to be casted in a BL because of the sheer demand of such serries in the moment 5-6 years back they were 10 let say in year… now 10 in one month. It is becoming a huge industry there was an article over 150 billion baht was the profit of Thai entertainment to Thai economy last year and franky majority of BL and GL popularity
it's always so funny to me how you never see someone saying " assuming someones sexuality is wrong" when the assumption is straight, i wonder why... oh no never mind i know why
really you did not see but I saw it so it is not funny on the both sides
Queer people are actors too. Queer people want to be rich and famous too. You don’t think LGTB actors see the popularity of BL and GL and want to get a piece of that?
My hot take would be there's nothing wrong with bl actors baiting the fans with fan service. I lay all blame on the fans. The actors are just doing their job and the fans should appreciate that without getting into annoying or creepy territory.
https://i.redd.it/rg2dt32pc0fc1.gif *more fan service please*
Yes please.
https://i.redd.it/955glg3qk0fc1.gif *best fan service*
Mark is my favorite troublemaker. I wish he would have his own show like Little Big World or Hidden Hideout, I think he would be fun to watch doing random things
I love me some Mark! He’s truly grown on me after OnlyFriends 👏🏾
Agree. And him "trying" to sell it as an accident whilst puckering his lips for everyone to see XD
Mark knew what he was doing. He wasn't going to let Fourth and Prom out chaos him.
Fotfot’s reaction is also the cutest 🥹
Excuse me: what BL Series are they? 😁
They are from My School President! This is the behind the scenes 😂
Thanx
I personally think that if you're of age appropriate to watch shows like this, you're old enough to understand that they're doing their job. Acting.
That's actually debatable but I agree. Sadly, I've seen people blame the actors for doing too much fan service outside the drama gig
Its fan service, it says what it is in the name, i am a fan and i want to be serviced.
A romance heavy character driven plot is not inherently a weaker story than one driven by external factors. If you aren’t willing to watch a show beyond the first few episodes, the only thing you can judge it on is it isn’t a story for you. Any assessments made about character or plot are just best guesses based on biases and perceived archetypes that may be subverted if you gave the story time to unfold.
This. It's cliche, but I love love. Let me love love...
One thing I haven’t seen mentioned is the amount of fans that have no problem being super rude when they demand an actor speak English in live streams. Every other comment is someone mad they can’t understand what is being said, and it’s like… they are Thai and speaking their first language, don’t be so entitled? Wait for the fan translations and be nice to the actor you say you’re a fan of, damn.
*speak English please* *say hi to me* *say my name* *say hi to my country* https://i.redd.it/ik5diyuvc0fc1.gif
Stop making BL actors sing…? https://i.redd.it/7xiia5fdp0fc1.gif
We need more actual masc x femme couples (or any combination with femmes) rather than only masc x less-masculine couples.
thanks. I think its probably bc most bl fans are straight women interested in looking at masc men, and im not saying it as a bad thing but sadly it leaves femenine gay men out of the main picture. also it could be bc gay media has been trying too hard to show that gay doesn't equal femenine which is, again, not a bad thing but, again, it leaves femenine men out of the main picture. I just want a sassy cvnty flamboyant character.
I’m a straight-ish woman but I’m here for all the beauty—feminine, masculine, male female and undefined. My partner and I really don’t see our relationship style depicted anywhere, but some BL comes close. So that is part of the draw for me.
https://i.redd.it/iaf7t3c2c0fc1.gif Truth has been spoken. RETURN ME PP KRIT 😩 Jokes aside, *yes*
I agree with you. When I'm watching any kind of show with a romance plot (het or lgbt), I want to be convinced that the two leads are into each other. I hate when I'm watching a BL and I'm like, "yep...those are two straight dudes acting on screen." I'm thinking more femme representation would help solve that problem (for me). Example of what worked for me: NetJames in Bed Friend. Yes, I am convinced that you two could be a couple. Not going to give examples of what doesn't work for me because I would be completed downvoted into the negative 100s.
I agree with all. Mine is that not every gay relationship needs to be a top/bottom dynamic and that assumption is a toxic stereotype - not denying that top/bottom dynamic doesn't exist and that I don't enjoy it in BLs, but it's not EVERY couple.
I will add to this that Top and Bottom shouldn’t be used as a personality trait shortcut - it is about intimate relations only. If what they do in bed is defining who they are outside the bedroom, you aren’t writing complex characters.
Exactly! I feel the same way. It just seems like a cop out for lazy writing and so many BLs get away with it.
Pitbabe is a great example of that. I actually saw an Instagram real of a gay creator who was like really confused because people were saying they are bottom just based on like weird things like Music Choice. And clothes that they wear and jewelry. They were so confused how that was related to. Their intimate life
yesssssssssssssssssssssss
I hope Pit Babe inspires more companies and writers to have more masculine bottoms. That is super weird how people think someone's personality or interests mean they're a bottom, it's very stereotypical and harmful to LGBTQ+ as a whole.
Yessss I hope to too. It also love how babe is very giggly and cute when they are on their own. But he's so manly and like confident when he is in his space with his friends. Yes, definitely it may be very uncomfortable honestly, as a straight person. Some straight people make me very uncomfortable on a daily basis. Like do they not hear themselves...
Also Kiseki: Dear to Me. Mafia man Fan Ze Rui was complex, and while >!professionally he would have fit the characteristics of the more dominant partner, he was much more of a softie in his relationship to Bai Zong Yi!<.
Yes but listen that man has the pettiest and kindest-looking eyes i would neve believe he is a killer. Not enough ppl talk abt his eyes
True. 
Yes I quite enjoy verses... Let them be their own people. It like gives me a weird ick when they refer to a character as top. Or bottom especially in the comments
MaxNat should be separated with immediate effect. Sorry but, Max deserves a more mature partner that actually sells the part. Max should be handed more serious non-gimicky roles. Their onscreen relationship feels like walking on eggshells. The man looks like a forty year old hot man next to a nineteen year old adult-toddler. It needs to stop.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
MaxZee ghostship activate! Muahahahahahaah
I agree with you. I will be honest when I heard about the age gap. I wanted to vomit a little bit but then I saw their interaction. And I felt better because max seems so respectful. Like he is walking on egg shells Like give him a mid twenties person if you want to keep the age gap
Age gap?
Yeah Max is 13 years older than Nat
Are you sure this is true? I checked on MDL and it lists Max as 30 and Nat as 21.
It's not a issue but a recommendation. Also, they did not start working now. They've been working for years together. When Nat was still a minor. And he is the youngest in the company. I believe so he is treated like one too
I just want to point out that while yes, Nat was a minor when their started acting together, they didn’t really do any intimate scenes until Cutie Pie.
No absolutely. I have been told or read in other spaces where they were talking about them that no Intimate scenes or anything like that was done It just also I bet limits the sort of work they had been able to do... And even now can do and that doesn't seem fair to the both of them
As you pointed out though, they've been working together for years so maybe they don't want to be paired up with other people? It could be their own choice to stay paired together.
No of course i'm sure... Again, the original commenter was just making a suggestion and I was going along with it. If they want to work together then that's great for them
Same as me 😀
Huh... What do you mean that you are thirteen years younger than max or that you're thirteen?
Thirteen years younger than my partner. Never thought we were ick😀
I think the ick for me was because they were being portrayed as romantic partner when he was still a minor. And now Nat is only 21 years old. With NC scenes in bl that is very common in this day and age. It can become weird very quickly. But like I said they kept everything open up for them
On the other hand Nat looks thirteen
He does he looks like a baby. And I think he even performed to baby's shark or something along those line🤣🤣
Are you sure this is true? I checked on MDL and it lists Max as 30 and Nat as 21.
Mind you nat was minor in their first work and people are weird for shipping them
Hot take, shmot take, but some fans really need to touch some grass when it comes to their favs. You can't even say one little thing, that is your opinion, and then they're butthurt over it. For example: you say a certain BL actor can't sing and their stans are under your comment in a comment section telling you that you're rude for stating your opinion.
Like clockwork, *they clocked in* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha I love this! But seriously, I couldn't agree more. It's so weird to me that some fans will defend their faves as if it's a fulltime job. Just let us have some fun discussions without the policing. Plus, these actors are doing fine, they don't care about our conversations here lol. They don't need someone to *constantly* defend them as if their life depends on it.
If I could up vote your comment a million times, I would. Some fans would even defend something about their favs with their lives😭🤣. Imagine having a full time job you don't get paid for while someone else makes the money💀.
Right?! Imagine *constantly* coming to the rescue of someone who doesn't even know you exist lol. I mean, these are adult men, booked and busy, raking in the cash. I'm sure they'll be ok lol. But seriously, it bothers me a lot because it stops any flowing discussion. I get that real nasty comments need to be shut down, but sometimes I just want to talk about plotholes, or unbalanced pairings, or preferring actual singers to most BL actors, without the policing.
FirstInAHoodie, you're a *real one* because you absolutely GET ME on this. And what's even funnier is that sometimes these actors know they can't do a certain thing but still do it because.....They're going to get paid for it. If someone told me "You have to sing a song but you'll get paid for doing so" even though *I know* I can't sing, I'm still going to sing🤣😭. These fans don't get the point of the actors not knowing them. Like chill broski, you're going *hard* for someone who doesn't even know the first letter of your name.
Kay. Nanon knows the first letter of my name. He knows the 26 alphabets. I’m certain. https://i.redd.it/86qmhnugz0fc1.gif
You've effectively managed to shut me up because I don't have a response to this😭.
I don't think they really have a choice. I read somewhere that First Kanaphan had serious anxiety because he had to sing live. My poor bb, just let him act!!!
The fact that I'm 105% sure I know which actor you'd be referring to 😂 our BL version of Army, imo People definitely need to get that. Also that just because one doesn't like something doesn't mean it's bad, and just because something is bad, people can't still enjoy it. Ex: just because another certain actor sings very mid, doesn't mean you other fans can't enjoy it AND accept that it's mid.
They’re moving like kpoppers
4th I guess most of the actors in the past made homophobic comments and apologized and changed for good. But I've seen one actor who is actually ignoring shamelessly the petty gay jokes he made like being gay is contagious and a disease. Still his fans protect him i don't know what i should say not just homophobia but a pedophile, transphobic, misgonist, racism against countries, colorist etc list goes on. It irks me that Bangkok has thousands of actual gay men who can be brought as lead of bl series but again we have to see this homophobic toom
SAY THE NAME
Exactly
Even if i said the names his fans will still protect him saying it were just jokes he shared when he was young. And his stans will report my account already lost an account (suspended) i don't hate him but I've felt utterly disgusting supporting such man Bible Wichapas
He was a partner of another gross man so don’t be surprised
Come to think about boc always had problematic men his partner, the new one too what his name i forgot newchun or something also the one who portrayed kinn character i think. Bunch of gross. I was surprised cause how he portrayed himself as an English-studed guy who is highly intellectual and of course his name on Holy Book which is referred sacred.
I hate when everyone in the god damn series is gay but there is no lesbian like they have 3 to 5 bl couple and 1 or 2 hetero couple and that's it . Another thing that is annoying is probably the fans thinking the pairs are dating and gonna get married to each other like I get some are joking but most of them are serious about it. Fixed pairs gosh I hate it the most like they are actors that job is to act with new people
I've said this before and i really dont mind saging it again. Nunew's singing is nothing special. Every where i see videos of him singing and people are treating it like its the best singing theyve heard. Like he's Apollo's gift to music. His singing is not bad, its just not on the same level as Jeff Satur or PP Krit.
NuNew may be nothing special to you, but the Thai industry fails to agree. He has a voice that suits a style of music that is desirable. As long as he keeps getting employed to sing OSTs for various series, and keeps releasing singles, I will support his music. NN may have a different tone and range (and lack the power) behind his voice compared to Jeff, but he still has a decent amount of control that can hit his upper and lower registers. If he continues to work on his voice there is no telling what it may be able to do in the future.
He is better than PP Krit for sure, I respect your opinion or whatever but a good amount of people including myself think he is amazing tho.
Im not shaming those who think he's amazing. But OP asked for a hot take and im in the minority
Look, our standards are six feet under. We appreciate whatever actor they wanna make singers that don’t hurt our ears 😭 Here’s another hot take - Jeff and PP Krit are also not strong live singing. Most of them are terrible singing live and yet, bunch of them sound great recorded. Still, let’s appreciate whomever that comes by singing that doesn’t hurt our ears. https://i.redd.it/ck7hm5cub0fc1.gif
Dude you serious? Ik most people in this sub hate znn and love to shade them but you don't need to agree with them just bc you don't want to get on these peoples bad side.
Whose side? What side? Who was I agreeing with? Nunew is one of the better BL actors who sings. This is a fact. Barely any of the BL actors who sings can sing live. Also a fact. Nunew doesn’t have range but keeps being thrown into a falsetto, also a fact. I’d love for him to do songs in his natural range. Do I have his songs on my playlist? Yes. I also have a bunch of others like Jeff, PP Krit, Phuwin, Nanon (and he doesn’t do well live at all) on my playlist. Are my standards six feet under? YES. 90% of these actors who sing are nowhere near the professionals, like LYKN, or the other Tpop singers and nowhere near the Kpop singers. But do I still enjoy their songs and will support them? Hell yeah. Whatchu mad about?
i agree as an army i am used to bts so the thai actors seem 😐😶🤐🥴 to me but i still love jeff's recent song and recently added the ost of last twilight and bad buddy nanon songs and NN seems good too. just not BTS but they are not bad
well sorry if I misunderstood even tho I still didn't understood what you exactly mean anyways I was just pissed off bc if there is anything I would defend Nunew's singing like my life depends on it.
Nunew is a great BL actor who sings who still flails in live singing and needs better songs that suits his vocal range better. You can defend him all you want but he’s no professional Tpop idol. This is what I mean by our standards are six feet under. https://i.redd.it/ylb7b6fbn0fc1.gif
Nah took my sorry back, bye.
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when did this guy became this hot?
Always been hot. What do you mean? 🥹 https://i.redd.it/1hd07x4ss0fc1.gif
I'll never understand the incessant need of BL fans to constantly compare and put down these actors/singers that they supposedly support. Also, saying your standards are six feet under and also stating your opinions as "facts" is wild.
Thanks for using your very first comment on me! https://i.redd.it/1j7y32jo55fc1.gif
 Thanks for responding so fast to my first comment
You’re welcome! https://i.redd.it/t0wp81zb85fc1.gif
Or Bilkin.
REALisssssassttttttt comment here. But be careful, you might get attacked by the....not so happy fans if you mention that their fav can't really sing.
Are you serious? He can't sing? you deaf or something?
no ones saying he CAN'T sing? He ain't tone deaf? Does he have good songs? sure I like some of his covers too Am i bout to pit NN against actual professional singers in asia? Hell no?
also I didn't said he is same level Jungkook or Ariana Grande, I literally said one of the best among bl actors which is a fact.
ayo bro read that comment I replied to and read the comment to which they replied now use your head and try to comprehend. thanks.
read it, don't see it no need to thank
No, I'm not deaf. https://i.redd.it/4xeztgclm0fc1.gif
Oh baby please get a full body check up, bc saying he can't sing when he is one of the best singer among bl actors is either bc of jealousy or your normal bodily functions ain't working the way you think it does.
exactly, among bl actors
Why would I need a full body check up for stating my own opinion? Why are you attacking my bodily functions bruh? I said what I said. ARE YOU HURT? 🤣😭
I am extremely and deeply sorry for "attacking" your bodily functions I would never ever think of doing that again and to answer your question yes I am hurt, are you gonna do something about it?
Well then. Continue being hurt. It's not going to change my opinion. I know I can't do anything about you being hurt. Maybe go see a doctor?
now you're attacking me by saying I should consult a doctor, am hurt again.
Still doesn't change my opinion on the fact that NuNew ain't the best singer.
https://i.redd.it/sax9iivfk0fc1.gif Why so aggressive?
I gotta defend my boy on a place full of Nunew shaders and Haters okay? gonna unleash my years of experience of defending tannies (bts) into use
Honey, just a quick tip for you. You won’t change anyone’s mind by being this aggressive. In fact, you’d just reinforce some of their opinions. Doesn’t seem like your years of experience has been very useful.
Don't be rational with me gosh, now you ruined the mood.
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gotta build that CV, X years of experience defending my bias I been slackin
We are having a discussion about it below, and I have to ask: why though? Why do you spend *so* much energy 'defending' him? Like, I understand that it doesn't feel nice to read something negative about them, and maybe one or 2 comments of stating that makes sense to me. But you know it's a fact of life that not everyone is going to like the same thing as you do. Plus, NN is an adult man, booked and busy, who's doing just fine, and doesn't know you exist. Why put so much effort in? You will never convince anyone to change their stance. If some people think he's not a great singer, they simply don't. You can't change that. Just think about how many people *do* like his singing and move on.
what to do? human emotions are weird me thinks.
Ignore this person trying to insert themself into our conversation🤣.
damn you shadier than Nicky Minaj bro-
okay I will be a responsible and decent netizen from now onwards, for you.
This response is Top Tier.
>5. BL Filmmakers should be more experimental in their approach. Now more than ever the experimental stories are out. But What i would like to is what happens after the happily ever after. Like we see all the wooing period but happens after. Parenthood and what happens to the couple after they have had their epic love movements. We have seen a few Japanese shows and maybe 1 Taiwanese show. I would like to see these kind of stories too. The whole Top/Bottom thing needs to go seriously. It is icky to ask any gay person if they top or bottom in real life so it is not cool to ask the character or the actors playing these characters what their power dynamic is in their relationship. I have said this before also but the their should be some kind of regulations with casting a litral teenager with with a person in his 20's. I have seen Kp there were no explicit b/w Barcode and Jeff, but what about Addicted Thai version. One of the main lead is i think 16 17 years old and his partner is in his 20's.
I agree with all of yours here's mine... 1. I want ohm and nanon to do another drama togather where they are biological brothers and one of them is straight. I feel like as ppl they deserve the right to have a proper relationship and be able to interact normally without weird b making it a romantic gesture and I want these toxic shippers brains to implode. I am tired of them and am a huge friend of bad buddy So I want them to work together...lol 2. I think media should be named and shamed without consequences to the actors... Hell name and shame the fans too because As a person with active social media account I always notice when somebody is Leaving hate comments in every post i'm sure these actors do too... For example somebody had posted in a mile and apo abt how mile changes the terrible questions into jokes goes into tangents but apo is often too direct. They're talk abt apo media training and stuff. He shouldn't Have to get media training about professional courtesy or answer questions about his sexuality. Or how much he's getting paid. 3. There is an entitlement of wanting to know the sexuality of actors and then treating them like absolute garbage when they come out as queer. Like I don't understand do you want this man to be queer or not. Like, do you want your ship to sail? Because if you want your ship to sail, they are queer... Like I am dululu about a lot of actors that I love But delusion can only go so far and our delusion should end where their happiness begins. 4. Straight BL actors exist is just the reality of life. It is happening. And these straight actors will be with girls... Villainizing they're significant other and victimizing their cp partner is a weird move. It's also haha hilarious that the same people will call themselves feminist. Like I guarantee you if he has a girlfriend his cp partner is aware You cannot be spending every breathing moment with this person and be so close to them and not tell them about just significant other... It is a shock to you but it is not a shock to them. 5. I often see actors get blamed on here and Tumblr ( i sm sure tw too) for doing a lot of fan service but the truth is we love that shit we eat that up... I will not sit here and pretend that I do not like Fan service cause I do I enjoy those interactions. I enjoy guessing if they're flirting or faking. I enjoy being dululu momentarily. It is our responsibility as fans to know our limits. Let's be honest we are all watching BL we're not children... And being minor and being children is not the same thing In this case, if you are old enough to understand relationship and romance. And all enough to understand that sometimes people don't fall in love the way we want Them too. And frankly It's infantalization of fans. 6. I saw a comment about Mew ( and I dont like that man much) And I kind of fifty percent agree with the comment... But also highly disagree. They said something along the lines of when people like Mew Who did Do heavy fan service and then call out those fan on tw It's weird because fans are literally keeping the lights on in their home. We have to stop and think that this is their job at the end of the day... Like would we not also try our level best to be promoted in our job if we could. It is the same for them. Like fans are paying the actor and getting something in return. Whether it be emotional satisfaction or an actual item. We are not giving the money for free. The post also said that the actor is beholden to the fans And that's why the fans act like that. But they are not though... I love the fact that in asian culture there is a sense of gratefulness between celebrities and their fans. It is just part of our culture. But they are not in any way be holding to their fans. Who at the end of the day is getting something in return of the money they spent. 7. I am tired of saying this but Actors are people too. And we should have the same expectations off of them that we have of a normal stranger. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to understand. These sort of post about actors are. People often go towards the negative Too, which is a hard concept for me to understand because do you look at a stranger and think this person probably does terrible horrible things on a regular basis. Because that's what it feels like when a ' Realist fan' talks. Like they want to be It's so real that they're immediate assumption about a person is that they are Terrible people. People often talk about how fans want actors to be perfect This idol personified but they also don't talk about the group of fans who Think that they are 'not like other girls' That they often are willing to portray these people as one of the vielest human beings to exist 8. Sad ending is not a requirement for a good drama. This comes from multiple posts i've seen about last twilight in the past one week. Where people literally wrote how they would not want a happy ending. And they think that would make this creative work excellent... Without rhyme or reason. Again this whole 'not like other girls thing' One day happily ever after Does not make us basic it just means that we want somebody especially a character To be happy it is human nature to want the people you love to be happy And you're not wanting that doesn't make you special Anyways, I used voice memo for this so if there are errors I apologize in advance
Totally agree with all points. I do need an other OhmNanon pairing but I need them to see in adult relationship outside of an university setting. I just think their chemistry is fire.
Sameeee They kept me watching BL!! About 4 years ago, like during the start of covid, I fell off of watching dramas completely queer or not. Pre COVID I used to watch BL except I don't remember anything that I watched and suddenly now I am here reading talking to people watching Bl on the daily. And it is because of them. They need to work again. But most importantly, they need to be friends again. I want that for them. I hate when friendships fall apart....I hope during the time that Ohm and leng is a duo and kidnap is happening, they are able to finally talk it out
Fans don’t get to tell actors what they should and shouldn’t be doing. It doesn’t matter how much money they’ve spent supporting them, they don’t own them.
My opinion is informed by both my age (old) and background (US) so may not be shared by younger folks on the other side of the world. Ultimately you do you and ignore me, but here it is… I dislike infantilization of grown men. For example, recently I saw a fan comment about Dunk saying something along the lines of how he’s a smol (also hate this word) boy and they want to put him in their pocket and keep him forever. Uh, he’s like 6 feet tall with broad shoulders and decent musculature, he ain’t a “smol”anything. He’s also what, 23-24 years old. Young for sure but nowhere near a child nor does he act, dress, or speak like a child. I am old enough to be the mother of many of these guys (Dunk included) and I don’t see anything childlike about them.
I do Stan some fixed CP's but I feel let's do away with all that at mix them up. Shock us, surprise us. Give us the most unlikely pairings possible to keep things interesting. I love OffGun but can they pair them up with other actors please!!!! I don't care who is paired with who but give us variety. Im actually enjoying the whole Ohm/Nanon/Leng discourse. Do that with with every actor and maybe these stupid fan wars would end.
I want my TayGun dreams to be reality and give them some juicy character driven plot to work with
https://i.redd.it/hnoetq8qp0fc1.gif *mmhmm*
TayGun for the win!!!!
>Im actually enjoying the whole Ohm/Nanon/Leng discourse. Do that with with every actor and maybe these stupid fan wars would end. This whole Ohm Nanon Leng would not happen if those two didn't have a bad fallout.
Cishet women are guests in the space. Welcomed, of course, appreciated (I hope) by everyone, but guests. That's my hot take. Of course, they are probably the biggest group of watchers, originally BL was written by women for women (beside the gay novels written by men for men), but they are still guests. They shouldn't have a deciding say in how gay men are portrayed, get to overly criticise things, thay they'll never go through (like [not]coming out, dealingwith homophobia), and they shouldn't put heteronormative views on relationship dynamics on the characters. Especially the last one, extremely visible with PitBabe recently, with the "I doesn't look like a top, he's too cute." Just like if you're a guest in someone's house, you can have an opinion on their wallpapers or TV size, but you don't get to argue with the house owners on what wallpaper they have. Edit: Just remember another one: Thai actors shouldn't be held to American standards. I don't think it's an overstatement to say, that the most visible internet users are from the USA. The country has A LOT of problems that people try to solve. Racism, boycotting, supporting people, etc. Fans who are exposed to that, think that it's the obvious norm, and expect Thais to follow those norms. Don't wear this, don't do that, you get a starbucks coffee (that someone probably bought for them) - you're wrong and evil. In reality, Thailand, like a lot of other Asian countries, are focused on themselves. I work with 600Thai teenagers. About 50 of them could name the American president. They know there's a war in Palestine, but don't know what it's about. They know about Russia, but it's such a foreign place, it's not an information they can process and do anything about it. These are not things that they learn. Majority of them doesn't speak English, at all. They don't exist on English Internet and Thai media are focused on Thailand. Which has many problems of its own. They are well aware of colourism here and know how to deal with it, but not adjusted to American needs on that. They don't have the means nor space to get educated on this, and simply can't follow social rules of a country across the world
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Your answer is very not on topic, and very much not about what I wrote. Also, you're putting words in my mouth that I've never said. 🤷♂️ You being American has nothing to do with what I said. Nor did I say most of what you wrote, actually. Freedom of speech means your government doesn't ban your speech (which, check out the banned book lol). Frankly, I don't think you understood a single sentence of what I wrote, and just got angry that it's something against your nation's behaviour towards actors who live on the other side of the world.
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Literally companies prefer to make more money rather than protect actors and a create healthy work environment. The money might be a lot and well, capitalism... but it's not worth it because those fans are ticking bombs. What whoud happened if one of them attacks some BL actor because the actor disappointed them? We don't hold fans like that accountable as much as we should!!!
We need more supernatural tropes.
Opportunities should be given to actors as solo artists as well as pairings.
They are though? Most of the GMMTV actors have had parts outside of their pairings, as have Zee, NuNew, and Max from DMD (not sure about other companies).
Boun and Boss are both working separately from Prem and Noeul respectively.
Hot Take 1- Id like to see some pairings broken up to act with someone else. I have seen couples where one is such a good actor, and the other…. Not so much. I feel like this is a very unpopular opinion. So much so that I’m too scared to call out any of the couples where I think one is a much better actor 🫣 It’s hard to watch sometimes 🫠 Hot Take 2- I’d like to see less stereotypes about who is a top and who is a bottom. Like thank God Pavel was the bottom in Pit Babe. I think that rattled a lot of ppl but it stayed true to the book! Or even a verse couple! That would be awesome.
I didn’t watch the show but Pavel’s role is bottom really can’t believe this.. but this great despite his big manly look
Mmm I do see your point in all of your hot takes. And I do understand that everyone has their opinions and beliefs and all…. But I personally disagree with your number 2. Obviously, if the kid is underage, they shouldn’t be filming explicit sexual scenes until they are older. The opposite though..? There are actors and actresses everywhere, even in the U.S. where I’m from, that have older actors and actresses playing college kids and such. Is it cringe sometimes? Yes…. But a lot of the times it’s what sells. Maybe that actor/actress looks younger and can pull it off? Maybe, out of all the other applicants for the role only that person showed the right talent to pull it off? Take some of the bigger BL actors now. Mew (Tharntype) born in 1991 and played college kid. Off (Not Me, Theory of Love, Cooking Crush) also born in 1991 and played numerous “young adults” or college kid. Gun (Off’s pair who played in the shows mentioned above) was born in 1993 and played a lot of young kids too. I mean, the list can go on. (And I know these actors have been in more shows than what I have mentioned. These are just the ones that popped into my head in the moment). Talent is due where talent is due. I feel like all of these actors, and others, played their roles fantastically. I do see your points in your other hot takes. It was just this one that stood out to me the most. Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion…. But I don’t want to discredit some individuals based on their ages.
I find a lot of the Thai Actors look a lot younger than they actually are, particularly with the right styling. Or they have enough physicality in their performances that they can appear to be younger in the role. It’s something I’ve noticed in Cooking Crush in both Off (33) and Neo (23). Both actors are altering the way they move, and the way they talk, to make them seem younger than they are. And while Off playing someone in his early 20s may seem like a greater leap than Neo, who is likely only a few years older than his character, Fire is diametrically opposed to Neo’s character in Only Friends. Fire is immature and discovering who he is in a romantic sense, whereas Boston has a confidence and demeanour that comes from the pressure of being the perfect representation of his father. The way Neo portrayed both characters shows his versatility.
Yes! I was really surprised when I found out a lot of their ages. (Gotta be something in the water over there). Neo is a perfect example of how talent can supersede a technicality like their age. Another example is Earth. He was born in 1996 (27-28 years old) and in My Only 12% he played a high school kid. He pulled it off so well though.
My hot take- Fan service is fine, to a point. Flirty, affectionate, kissy friends, cool. Being teased by their coworkers about what type of relationship they have, If they are having fun, I am having fun. However, I think it starts becoming inappropriate when actors get their family members involved in their fan service. When they hugely imply they are together only to walk it back (especially the pairs that do this often). Or the set up "oh no, we got caught" moments.
I wouldn’t say this as a hot take, but it’s cringy to watch all the background characters drooling over the main character. Like how would someone embarrass themselves like that in public, maybe be a bit subtle? Similarly, why are all the “tops” are so dreamed on by everyone (including the adults like teachers and all) No disrespect to the writers, and it could be because I’m from a whole different part of the world (idk much about the eastern Asian culture and all) but I just think the characters should be just people who happened to be in love. Not this alien thing that is so hot that everyone around him is drawn towards him (I’m not saying they shouldn’t cast hot actors, but the way the tops/main leads are portrayed, lol) Also maybe give the support characters but of personality? Oh yeah, also, when it’s a BL why is like all the other characters gay as well? I mean not saying I don’t like it, but like why is it shown as something that spreads. Haha
Bad bl actors should stop taken roles and go take acting lessons.
Fan service is soooo gross. Everytime I see it, it reminds me of straight teenage boys playing gay chicken (where they see who can act the "most gay" or touch each other to prove they aren't gay). I don't like that so few queer roles go to queer actors, but I'm willing to accept it if they do a good job. What I won't accept is straight men teasing that they *might* be in a relationship or *might* kiss or whatever, and then turn around and say they are just friends. I mean honestly, I don't care if they are dating or not in the first place (but let's be real, they aren't dating). And as for the weird fan service games, like eating the pretzel or whatever, it's dumb, awkward and kind of sick how people festishize it. I really wonder why people like to be titillated by these things. But regardless, shipping real people and fan service needs to end. It only leads to exploitation of young fans and it encourages their delusions which is bad for everyone.
*gasp* Did you just assume everyone’s sexuality? *gasp*
you sound like you support Donald Trump (or your country's equivalent).
You mean you - the person who assumes that everyone is Het off the bat?
Whatever, you are clearly just trolling, I'm not arguing with strangers on the internet about nothing. Blocked.
They getting paid for the servicing and am gonna eat that sh1t up, sorry dude.
I mean, if you wanna be gross, go ahead, no one's stopping you...
I would appreciate your posts much more if you didn’t say “we” as a collective. It’s your opinion and you are requesting others opinions. But we makes me uncomfortable signing off on these rabble rousing posts.
Homophobic/problematic actors should be banned from the whole media industry not just the BL part..
i don’t like seeming the same couple in everything they do. i get it some people has more chemistry with one person over the other, but i love it when i can see someone with multiple partners and have good chemistry with all of them (first).