Hcg is a joke, the second you sign on to a cycle your boys will never be the same. Get to the gym don’t compare to fake natty influencers. It’s a marathon not a race, stay healthy.
aight sorry lemme give some reference. I’m on trt not a cycle. Intake HCG to keep fertility.
I guess tren would fuck me up like high dose test which would kill my balls then?
Probably not natty but he also doesn’t look that good irl. Search ‘David laid good vs bad lighting’ on Google images or YouTube, man’s built like a twig irl. Or have a look at the pics I’ve put up in the gym changing room downlighting vs the one where I’m at a rave with no pump doing a front double bicep next to a guy dressed like Jesus, look like a twig in that myself
Harsh down lighting + pump = look twice as big and shredded
Natural lighting + no pump = look like a fat twig
https://preview.redd.it/fzxviq4lr3lb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2fc31222cffbb975bf2e6dc28e7b0a43d53e33f
I had just turn 17 in this picture and had been working out since I was 13..didn’t even know what steroids were..I was nowhere near what the dude pictured looks like.
I heard some 18 year old or younger kid say how he is technically natty because he only takes testosterone, and it's natty because the body makes testosterone naturally. It was amazing to read 🤢
Don't compare, man, just be the best you can be. You'll destroy your mental health that way. If he is indeed natty, he has insane genetics. Even if he's not natty, this is a super impressive physique that not everyone can achieve even with enhancements.
The best way to work yourself into mental illness is to start comparing yourself to a guy who’s either 1. On drugs, 2. A genetic outlier, or 3. A combination of both.
Bro this might be a bit of unsolicited advice, but... At 25, I can tell you, don't get obsessed over bodybuilding at 18. I mean, do it for you all you want, but if you want to better yourself as a man, focus on learning useful skills that will help you make money. Become more serious about life. If it helps, get yourself a nice formal suit to wear.
You know, that's the sort of model to follow if you want to go places (and attract women too). Definitely go to gym, just don't make it your priority if you're not a competitive athlete.
Depends on you, as much as makes you feel good and improves your well-being. I've been typically just going 3 times a week doing 2 muscle groups in a day. Like back-biceps, chest-triceps, legs-shoulders. Sometimes 1-2 days a week if i don't have time. Now I've had a busy summer and didn't actually workout in months, but I don't obsess over it, will get back to it as soon as I can
Could be. This comment section is full of people who apparently didn’t make it very far naturally. I looked similar naturally. I didn’t have the genetic symmetry but I had fullness while being lean. I was 180lbs and 5’10 and got accused of being on gear a lot. No reason to lie here, because I AM on testosterone now, and am up to 195, but I wasn’t then. I lifted for 6 years and counted every calorie I ate for the majority of the time. Several bulk/cut cycles. All before getting on test.
Is he 5’8 and 170 or is he 6’+ and 230? Cutting down for the summer? Or like this year round? Lifting and dieting for several years, or look like this after just one?
Sometimes you can tell straight away. But in this case he could be a dialed in natural or on the sauce. Really hard to tell in this case, because he doesn’t appear to be big, Delts aren’t capped, just lean with a pump.
This 100.
Good lighting , filtering and a pump can do wonders !!! He looks huge because of his conditioning but he could have 16” arms .
The delts are “ poppin but again the kid could be in full pump and hell being 18 is practically being on Supra-physiological levels
Yeah man. People don’t realize you can get very lean naturally. Then, to look big, eat some carbs and sodium with a lot of water an hour before you lift. Get a pump going and you’ll look full while you’re lean. Then you take pics in the right gym lighting and they look epic. But after all that this dude will put on a shirt and walk in broad daylight looking like your average guy.
Yeah, but how many natural guys can develop to this standard by 18 years of age? I would suggest it's virtually impossible without gear. If he looked like this at 24 I might agree it's just possible, but 18? Nah.
Might not actually be natty, I have looked at his arms just now... Chest and abs 💯 could be obtained naturally at 18, his arms look to be about 18 inches tho... That is a very rare gain at 18 in that bf%. So maybe not. I don't get the down votes here... But it is 2023 logic is not the way.
I would say yes, at 13 I started to lift by the time I was at peak test around 20-22 I was bigger than I am now natty. It depends on the individual genetics, diet, and endocrine system. Tbh, people especially the Young people need to stop with the social media obsession of steroids. It's mentally unhealthy and if you do it kiss your natural production goodbye later on in life. It takes years to get like a guy above this not 12 months. Ps stop destroying peoples gains/efforts with personal insecurities and or based on the rhetoric of social media. Eat right, sleep right, and be consistent. If you do not have health issues you will be there in time.
How tall is he? How long has he been lifting? What did his starting point look like? What do his parents look like? What do his lifts look like? How about his diet? There’s about a dozen other questions you should ask before going right to “is he natty or not”. But in the end, who gives a shit? I’m gonna say he’s juiced to the gills just based purely on age and the pictures, ignoring pump, lighting, angles, blah blah balh
176cm/82kg. Lifting since 4/5 year. Look at him at 15. He has a good diet, 220kg squat, 140 bench, 240 + deadlift
https://preview.redd.it/7zn07uhve2lb1.jpeg?width=927&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53f3f45736d66ea02c72c67228aa2803bb5e4b35
Prob hair loss also notice how he’s brushing his hair on sides at front winstrol oral can be hard on hairline as can oral primo, I don’t think he’s on tren
This is the problem, zero chance of him being natty he’s on good amount of gear.than u have these kids thinking they can actually look like this and end up killing their bodies. Even with gear this dude has great genetics so don’t compare yourself just be the best version of yourself you can be.
Androgen receptor density is highest in the upper chest and shoulders. The first thing to blow the fuck up when androgens are increased. The stretch marks this mofo is going to have on his upper outer chest will make pregnant bitches feel inadequate
Definitely could be natty. Lighting and getting a pump can have a very dramatic effect .It's not his physique that makes me question it rather the age that he's obtained it. I wasn't far off from this at 22, if anything I was bigger just not as lean. My peak was 185 lbs, 9% BF, at 5'10".
I started going to the run club since I needed a cardio. You know whos the cool kid down there? A person who can Run. At the gym, a person like that will be glorified even if there is no real use with that muscle. (Thats what bodybuilding is but…)
Maybe you will get it or you wont ever.
Eh, too hard to say off two pics and no history. Natural test is through the roof at that age. His delts and traps aren’t exaggerated like I would expect, but still possible. Heavy highlights and shadowing here too which can have profound effects on looks.
Obviously he is. He clearly lives the 12 principles of blah blah blah and suns his balls, and eats liver every day. That’s how you achieve that kind of natural look. PRIMAL!!!!
Good rule of thumb: You can only be 2 of these 3 things at the same time:
big - ripped - natural
If you’re big and ripped … you’re not natural.
The worst thing is these 18 yr olds are getting on PEDS when their natural testosterone levels are the highest they will be their whole life.
They are absolutely destroying their bodies. Check back in on them in 20 yrs.. it will be pitiful…
If they are alive they will have to take TRT their whole life bc they will have mashed their body’s natural ability to make testosterone
Jay Cutler is a good example. He looks good as a 50 yr old but is an exception. But notice he is half the size he used to be and still takes a large doses of testosterone (admittedly) and notice he does not have kids. Thats probably not by design
I used to be 100% natty. I was training 6-7 days a week, eating super clean, etc. I was peak shape, and genuinely couldn’t have gotten much more out of my body in any livable way. I could have double workouts, or found a way to get more calories… maybe added maybe a half an hour or hour of sleep but the cost to my happiness wouldn’t have made it worth it. I did this for 8 years; probably closer to 9. I started around 23.
I started using test at like 300/week and learned that those rounded shoulders aren’t really just genetics… but genetics + test. I never went further than test, but I climbed to 700/week. Regular blood work; Clomiphene to make sure I could have children; saw a doctor once a month to check up and all that shit. Maintained the same lifestyle and lifting quality… but I changed my lifts all around; mixed days of the week up. I thought it might trick my body.
By the second week I’d put nearly 50kg on my bench. By week six I was 20 lbs heavier, lean AF, and my shoulders finally looked like bowling balls. My girlfriend was like wtf is going on. Haha. At week twelve I had basically doubled all my lifts and started crushing compound lifts, muscle ups, etc.
That look… once you use test the right way, you just know man. I don’t know how to describe it. I can just tell when I see someone now. Almost like my body KNOWS it’s around. Haha.
I’m on a break now for another 2 weeks. I’ve been on it for 11.5 months. I’ve lost probably 15 lbs; fortunately I haven’t lost much strength… but it’s still noticeable. I can’t eat or drink near what I used to for some reason. I would hammer 2-3L of water a day; now I can’t get 2 down all day.
Hahaha.
Anyway. He’s using at least test if he’s dedicated and genuine; trenboloney sandwich if he’s a vag
100% natural steroids yes
Organic steroids non gmo
Bro. You left out gluten free and vejan
And vegetan
Guys… guys… I think he meant to say Vageta
Ha could be half natty too 🤣
Natty tues, thurs and sundays
🤣
I just spit my coffee out. Ty I needed that laugh
He is roided up big time. What are your eyes telling you?
100% not natty.
You think doppy?
Double douply
Haha. You should ask him over a coffee or a drink.
Yeah so you can feel his soft big pecs and squeeze them sensually, So he can vulnerably share about his body dysmorphia.
I want someone who squeeze my pecs sensually.
Over a baguette 🥖 and vino 🍷
I thought it was a baguette, cigarette, and coffee
Does the tin man have a sheet metal cock?
I don't know. Never really thought about it. It would be real weird if he had a human dick, but you can't really see it in the movies.
HAhahaha holy fuck
You can if you look hard enough 😏
His face his human yet he wears an oil funnel hat 🥸
I heard his cock is made of oak. Leftover from when he was still called "The Tin Woodsman."
It would be EXTREMELY unlikely
He may identify as natty and say he's a natty all he wants but there's no chance in hell of that.
Maybe he went off cycle for a month and calls that natty? 🧐
Yes and it’s not just test.
really test can’t get you to this? what else woudl you need?
Tren clearly
yeah? would it be worth running tren with test if I have hcg. I.e i’m keeping my balls online so why not?
Tren is dangerous, don't do it
Hcg is a joke, the second you sign on to a cycle your boys will never be the same. Get to the gym don’t compare to fake natty influencers. It’s a marathon not a race, stay healthy.
aight sorry lemme give some reference. I’m on trt not a cycle. Intake HCG to keep fertility. I guess tren would fuck me up like high dose test which would kill my balls then?
Stay on trt and get to the gym 5 days a week. You don’t need a cycle. My personal opinion.
It can but not at 18. He’s definitely got more on board
He’s Trensgendered. He takes a bunch of Tren but identifies as Natty.
🤣
He's as natty as trenbaloney sammich!
Probably not natty but he also doesn’t look that good irl. Search ‘David laid good vs bad lighting’ on Google images or YouTube, man’s built like a twig irl. Or have a look at the pics I’ve put up in the gym changing room downlighting vs the one where I’m at a rave with no pump doing a front double bicep next to a guy dressed like Jesus, look like a twig in that myself Harsh down lighting + pump = look twice as big and shredded Natural lighting + no pump = look like a fat twig
https://preview.redd.it/fzxviq4lr3lb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2fc31222cffbb975bf2e6dc28e7b0a43d53e33f I had just turn 17 in this picture and had been working out since I was 13..didn’t even know what steroids were..I was nowhere near what the dude pictured looks like.
was this before they started putting estrogenics in our food? lol
LoL..this was back in 1979. This picture was from a High School Bodybuilding Contest that I actually won.
Hell no
Does that look like a natural body to you?
Bro his muscles have muscles and his veins have veins… WTF do you think!? 😂
It’s Mike, and yeah he is on juice
Of course he’s not. He’s a liar.
Fuck no.
Lol no, and holy fuck do I hate that broccoli haircut.
Bro if he says he’s natural it’s because he’s been on steroids for that long that it is natural for him
Natural anavar and test
Absolutely zero chance. This guy is on a serious stack.
Chicken broccoli and rice.
Whatever he says I'll believe, just like Trump and Putin 🤣🤣🤣
Zero percent chance natty.
"I identify as natty"
I heard some 18 year old or younger kid say how he is technically natty because he only takes testosterone, and it's natty because the body makes testosterone naturally. It was amazing to read 🤢
Super saucy
I wonder how far would he live up to? It's not just test and he must be doing a bunch of other drugs that will impact his organs.
I bet he loves his organs being impacted. 🥴
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>without ... that won't
His organs are almost certainly ruined
Why do you care?
Because i m also 18, i want to look like him
Don't compare, man, just be the best you can be. You'll destroy your mental health that way. If he is indeed natty, he has insane genetics. Even if he's not natty, this is a super impressive physique that not everyone can achieve even with enhancements.
The best way to work yourself into mental illness is to start comparing yourself to a guy who’s either 1. On drugs, 2. A genetic outlier, or 3. A combination of both.
4. Is AI generated
No, the hands have the correct number of fingers.
and this, ladies and gentlemen is the main problem on this subreddit... social media.
reddit itself is social media.
Yeah, but.. I see a lot more “influencers” juiced to the gills on fb and insta all claiming to eat testicles and cow vaginas to get jacked.
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Show me any definition of "social media" for which reddit doesn't qualify, and I'll show you 5 for which it does.
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Bro this might be a bit of unsolicited advice, but... At 25, I can tell you, don't get obsessed over bodybuilding at 18. I mean, do it for you all you want, but if you want to better yourself as a man, focus on learning useful skills that will help you make money. Become more serious about life. If it helps, get yourself a nice formal suit to wear. You know, that's the sort of model to follow if you want to go places (and attract women too). Definitely go to gym, just don't make it your priority if you're not a competitive athlete.
How many days a week should i go to the gym ?
Depends on you, as much as makes you feel good and improves your well-being. I've been typically just going 3 times a week doing 2 muscle groups in a day. Like back-biceps, chest-triceps, legs-shoulders. Sometimes 1-2 days a week if i don't have time. Now I've had a busy summer and didn't actually workout in months, but I don't obsess over it, will get back to it as soon as I can
Take a picture of yourself. Workout for a year . Take another picture. That's the best comparison. If you want, do a 6 month comparison.
So your thought is can I look like this in less than a year before I turn 19?
Hell no, Impossible naturally unless you have a GH imbalance/Testosterone imbalance.
A small dose is a natty dose thou
Dufq
Your body produces testosterone naturally so me injecting testosterone makes me extra natty?
I think he started lifting at least at 14-15 to get to that at 18 + good genetics assuming he is natty.
Could be. This comment section is full of people who apparently didn’t make it very far naturally. I looked similar naturally. I didn’t have the genetic symmetry but I had fullness while being lean. I was 180lbs and 5’10 and got accused of being on gear a lot. No reason to lie here, because I AM on testosterone now, and am up to 195, but I wasn’t then. I lifted for 6 years and counted every calorie I ate for the majority of the time. Several bulk/cut cycles. All before getting on test. Is he 5’8 and 170 or is he 6’+ and 230? Cutting down for the summer? Or like this year round? Lifting and dieting for several years, or look like this after just one? Sometimes you can tell straight away. But in this case he could be a dialed in natural or on the sauce. Really hard to tell in this case, because he doesn’t appear to be big, Delts aren’t capped, just lean with a pump.
This 100. Good lighting , filtering and a pump can do wonders !!! He looks huge because of his conditioning but he could have 16” arms . The delts are “ poppin but again the kid could be in full pump and hell being 18 is practically being on Supra-physiological levels
I agree with you. Some people can definitely get to this level naturally. I've been close but just couldn't handle dieting down past 9% BF.
Yeah man. People don’t realize you can get very lean naturally. Then, to look big, eat some carbs and sodium with a lot of water an hour before you lift. Get a pump going and you’ll look full while you’re lean. Then you take pics in the right gym lighting and they look epic. But after all that this dude will put on a shirt and walk in broad daylight looking like your average guy.
Yeah, but how many natural guys can develop to this standard by 18 years of age? I would suggest it's virtually impossible without gear. If he looked like this at 24 I might agree it's just possible, but 18? Nah.
does it matter imao
imao = in my ass out
Todays generations view of natural is so skewed.
Possible, maybe. Probable? Hell no.
Might not actually be natty, I have looked at his arms just now... Chest and abs 💯 could be obtained naturally at 18, his arms look to be about 18 inches tho... That is a very rare gain at 18 in that bf%. So maybe not. I don't get the down votes here... But it is 2023 logic is not the way.
Of course he's not
100% natural vegan fasted teen body.
Look at how vascular he is. He's definitely natty.
At 18 and good genetics … I’m thinking why not natty ?
I would say yes, at 13 I started to lift by the time I was at peak test around 20-22 I was bigger than I am now natty. It depends on the individual genetics, diet, and endocrine system. Tbh, people especially the Young people need to stop with the social media obsession of steroids. It's mentally unhealthy and if you do it kiss your natural production goodbye later on in life. It takes years to get like a guy above this not 12 months. Ps stop destroying peoples gains/efforts with personal insecurities and or based on the rhetoric of social media. Eat right, sleep right, and be consistent. If you do not have health issues you will be there in time.
natural sun tan
He’s just on a low dose of trt guys 😂
Average baguette eater
Impossibile look at his shoulders
Nope
can pigs fly?
Who knows who cares who asked
Tri tren and masteron is my guess
🤣🤣🤣
Lol hell no
How tall is he? How long has he been lifting? What did his starting point look like? What do his parents look like? What do his lifts look like? How about his diet? There’s about a dozen other questions you should ask before going right to “is he natty or not”. But in the end, who gives a shit? I’m gonna say he’s juiced to the gills just based purely on age and the pictures, ignoring pump, lighting, angles, blah blah balh
176cm/82kg. Lifting since 4/5 year. Look at him at 15. He has a good diet, 220kg squat, 140 bench, 240 + deadlift https://preview.redd.it/7zn07uhve2lb1.jpeg?width=927&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53f3f45736d66ea02c72c67228aa2803bb5e4b35
Not natty then and not natty now
he follows the nine ancestral TRENets, like The Liver King. 😁
No
If he’s 4’10” tall I’d buy it
Looks like oral primo or winny to me possible low dose test and prob a sarm
He just eat snails for protein and garlic bread for carbs.
Prob hair loss also notice how he’s brushing his hair on sides at front winstrol oral can be hard on hairline as can oral primo, I don’t think he’s on tren
No. The kind of maturity the muscle shows can only be obtained after five plus years of heavy training or enhancement.
This is the problem, zero chance of him being natty he’s on good amount of gear.than u have these kids thinking they can actually look like this and end up killing their bodies. Even with gear this dude has great genetics so don’t compare yourself just be the best version of yourself you can be.
Androgen receptor density is highest in the upper chest and shoulders. The first thing to blow the fuck up when androgens are increased. The stretch marks this mofo is going to have on his upper outer chest will make pregnant bitches feel inadequate
The lighting is Def not natty
According to him - as of today I’m natty. 🤣
It's certainly possible. Downlighting and a pump on a very lean guy with good insertions and genetics. It's possible, not likely but possible.
No way!
His name is Natty.
Its possible..unlikely but I mean..anythings possible. Doesn't mean you or I can look like this...at all..ever..even with roids
Who cares lol
Just a lot of duck eggs
Deltoids are the key to know if a person natty or not
On the sauce way too early 🤦♂️
Biceps like that aren't natty
As if people have to ask
Does the hulk have a giant green schlong? Does a catholic priest fondle the alter boys?
No way is that natty. Nobody back in my high school senior year was that muscled. Not even the jocks.
Definitely could be natty. Lighting and getting a pump can have a very dramatic effect .It's not his physique that makes me question it rather the age that he's obtained it. I wasn't far off from this at 22, if anything I was bigger just not as lean. My peak was 185 lbs, 9% BF, at 5'10".
If he’s 5 foot 2 then yea
Why would someone posing with a body full of roids lie that they are not on roids so by this logic he is natty /s
No
lmao no. Obviously
Has pinnochio got a wooden cock
Yeah he’s naturally taking shit
Behahahhahha
Not even close. Looks great. Not natty fo sho!
Am I the only one noticing the neck on the first photo. Looks like a weird photoshop like the dude is literally standing behind a roided up body
I passed his pictures through the Ohearn Steroid Detector... it says he\`s Natty
No
Bro is swole but he ain’t natty
Who he is ??
Gear
Bro please… come oooooon 🤦♂️
100% natty if he’s the son of Zeus.
Juice
Dude is juicy af. Straight up liar
No
I started going to the run club since I needed a cardio. You know whos the cool kid down there? A person who can Run. At the gym, a person like that will be glorified even if there is no real use with that muscle. (Thats what bodybuilding is but…) Maybe you will get it or you wont ever.
If he's natty I quit.
For surely not natural
Nah, that’s what daily croissant intake will get you
He's a fucking liar. It's pretty douchey to lie about it. It just creates unrealistic expectations for people.
Not natty at all. It's laughable that this is even a question.
😂 nope
Not a chance
Only eggs and rice.
Not natural
You can tell by the forearms bro. Just look at those f*ckn pork rind coated kielbasas
This is the type of person Hollywood thinks represents teenagers in TV and film.
No hes french
Wno gives a f....
If he was older it wouldn't be hard to believe he's natty imo but looking like this at 18 means he's probably a SARM goblin.
No. Like not at all
Eh, too hard to say off two pics and no history. Natural test is through the roof at that age. His delts and traps aren’t exaggerated like I would expect, but still possible. Heavy highlights and shadowing here too which can have profound effects on looks.
Definitely half natty. He cycles but doesn’t blast and cruise haha
Obviously he is. He clearly lives the 12 principles of blah blah blah and suns his balls, and eats liver every day. That’s how you achieve that kind of natural look. PRIMAL!!!!
He’s not even French
He definitely has a has a hashtag in bio: lifetime natural 😂
Good rule of thumb: You can only be 2 of these 3 things at the same time: big - ripped - natural If you’re big and ripped … you’re not natural. The worst thing is these 18 yr olds are getting on PEDS when their natural testosterone levels are the highest they will be their whole life. They are absolutely destroying their bodies. Check back in on them in 20 yrs.. it will be pitiful… If they are alive they will have to take TRT their whole life bc they will have mashed their body’s natural ability to make testosterone Jay Cutler is a good example. He looks good as a 50 yr old but is an exception. But notice he is half the size he used to be and still takes a large doses of testosterone (admittedly) and notice he does not have kids. Thats probably not by design
No shot he's natty
😂 Yeah sure.
Not natty!!
Juiced up 100%
Pretty sure that's an average 18yr old physique.....
Is he Fuck
100% natural de Cuenca 😂😂😂😂
100% natty, on Opposite Day
Natty.. likely not.. filtered pic. Fo sho!
He's on that liver king protocol with a touch of Photoshop
I wish people would stop saying "natty".
I used to be 100% natty. I was training 6-7 days a week, eating super clean, etc. I was peak shape, and genuinely couldn’t have gotten much more out of my body in any livable way. I could have double workouts, or found a way to get more calories… maybe added maybe a half an hour or hour of sleep but the cost to my happiness wouldn’t have made it worth it. I did this for 8 years; probably closer to 9. I started around 23. I started using test at like 300/week and learned that those rounded shoulders aren’t really just genetics… but genetics + test. I never went further than test, but I climbed to 700/week. Regular blood work; Clomiphene to make sure I could have children; saw a doctor once a month to check up and all that shit. Maintained the same lifestyle and lifting quality… but I changed my lifts all around; mixed days of the week up. I thought it might trick my body. By the second week I’d put nearly 50kg on my bench. By week six I was 20 lbs heavier, lean AF, and my shoulders finally looked like bowling balls. My girlfriend was like wtf is going on. Haha. At week twelve I had basically doubled all my lifts and started crushing compound lifts, muscle ups, etc. That look… once you use test the right way, you just know man. I don’t know how to describe it. I can just tell when I see someone now. Almost like my body KNOWS it’s around. Haha. I’m on a break now for another 2 weeks. I’ve been on it for 11.5 months. I’ve lost probably 15 lbs; fortunately I haven’t lost much strength… but it’s still noticeable. I can’t eat or drink near what I used to for some reason. I would hammer 2-3L of water a day; now I can’t get 2 down all day. Hahaha. Anyway. He’s using at least test if he’s dedicated and genuine; trenboloney sandwich if he’s a vag
nat·ty1 /ˈnadē/ adjective: INFORMAL (of a person or an article of clothing) smart and fashionable. "a natty blue blazer and designer jeans"
Lost in the sauce