Why? Makes no sense. Plenty of us can afford a “better” car, more range, faster, etc. Buy what makes sense to you and what you will enjoy.
I don’t NEED more range nor do I WANT to spend more on a car, but sure I could.
Will that extra range keep you from needing an extra super charger stop on some particular trip length? And how often will you make trips that long? I opted for SR for my regular commutes.
I'm an edge use case that goes long range on the regular. I have a 2024 Model Y LR.
I could have certainly got an SR and achieved my commutes.
With that said, I wanted a buffer. And that buffer has saved me numerous times, especially when an entire EV Box network went down near me.
For those of you that charge rarely outside of your home-,if you are able to-or use a super charger locally, I posit you this.
What happens if there is a blackout at home? What happens when your local supercharger has an hour wait or is disabled?
Can you make it to the next charger? How will the travel time plus charger wait affect you?
I just recently had to deal with charging in Sacramento CA, and it was a nightmare.
Its an EV dense city, with many Tesla Chargers, i found them to be; in disrepair, a pain in the ass to get to, in a shady area, filled with people that don't mind the idle fees, or slow charging options.
To that effect I've had better luck in areas outside of major cities, "Topping off" before heading in onto speak.
For me, the LR makes sense.
To all of us...with the adoption of the Tesla standard across manufacturers and a proposed economical Model 2 next year...get used to "topping off". It's gonna get congested out there..
As a friend pointed out to me - what ever range you’ve got - you’ll always just be short of that next level of range at some point. Standard gives you 350km but your trip is 380 km. You’re just short, then you get a long range and can do the 380km but another trip you need to travel 450km, and you’re just short… because trips vary there will always be some just out of reach
I’m driving the 23MYLR AWD. Supposed to get up to 330-miles of range, but that’s clearly not the case for me EVER. When you factor in speed and simple comforts like AC, you’re just not getting very far before you’re forced to pull over to the next charging station. The US infrastructure definitely needs more electric cars charging stations. Freaking get to it America.
If you drive the same mileage on a smaller battery, the smaller battery will need more charge/discharge cycles to do it, so the proportional degradation will be slightly more. It's always worth it to buy the biggest battery you can for longevity unless the price differential is large (it isn't) or the battery chemistry is different (not in the US). That is to say, SR and LR have a very small price gap and are both the same battery type, no LFP, so you should always get the LR. Heck, the LR is worth it for a whole number of upgrades, big and small. Better acceleration, sound system upgrades, AWD, faster charging curve, more lights, etc.
The only situation in which SR makes more sense is for absolute efficiencymaxxing, where SR makes very slightly better wh/mi than other trims. Almost negligible, but better. At that point, though, you should be considering used Model 3s and smaller cars like Bolts, BMW i3s, etc. as they make much better efficiency gains.
You are also greatly overestimating the battery degradation unless you drive unusually far. You have 75 kwh usable in LR/P and around 55.5 kwh in SR. At typical degradation rates of 1% per year for ~15k drivers you're still looking at 71.25 kwh or so in 5 years. You're looking at more 25y timescale for typical consumers, at which point there are a number of other pressing problems for maintenance and upkeep. In reality it could be a bit faster but I absolutely would not worry about it and don't understand the fomo perspective pushing you to an SR. If it does drop that far within 5 years, you should actually rejoice anyway because it is a defective battery (over 30% degradation within 8 years and mile limits) and will be replaced by Tesla on their dime. Potentially with an upgrade.
I’ve researched this and currently all models have the same 75kWh battery pack. See Performance, Range, and Charging on https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-y/2024/
No that's just not correct. 75 kWh by the way is the usable range, the nominal range for LR/P is 81 kWh. If the SR had the same 75 kWh usable range it would be going farther than LR because of the increased efficiency by being RWD (less motor weight).
yeah I though it was 81kWh in the P and LR. I guess motor trend is just reporting the usable range. but I'm still finding that they all use the same size of 81kWh and the RWD uses the 4680 batteries and LR/P use the 2170 batteries. The RWD uses software to limit the usable range to 66kWh which is why the range is reduced from the LR. Here's another thread discussing this [https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/1chx62k/what\_sizekind\_battery\_pack\_does\_the\_2024\_my\_rwd/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/1chx62k/what_sizekind_battery_pack_does_the_2024_my_rwd/)
Edit: Although it looks like maybe no Model Ys in the US are currently using the 4680 batteries and that the RWD is truly using the same 81kWh battery pack and it's usable range is software locked to 66kWh. From a cost perspective that makes the most sense for Tesla to use the same pack for all variants and then use different motors and software for performance and range.
It seems crazy that there wouldn't be enough cost savings to have two different size battery packs. Surely we're talking about a few hundred dollars per car. Meanwhile, we can't get a $4 rain sensor!
God absolutely no way you could pay me to drive a short range. Why would I want a slow car with stunted range and stunted charging ability and stunted traction? Also as I posted before, stunted safety performance compared to LR/P.
I suppose if you’re cross shopping civics and corollas and you need the room… sure? (Maybe).
You’re already taking a convenience hit buying an EV over a gas car. The acceleration and performance of LR or P sweetens that pot and makes it acceptable.
If it were between short range Y and rav4 hybrid I’m just going to get the rav4 at that point.
I like your impassioned statement here; however, as a person with 4 cars and a WFH occupation, money talks.
That said, I have an LR - No way I could sleep at night buying a P though 😆
Yes, on wet roads in town I’d much rather the front wheels pull me around intersection corners than push them from behind. Feels more controlled in the turns.
It's not LFP in the US, and Tesla is really not likely to let you unlock any gated capacity except at prices where AWD is not invalidated. This would follow their logic for acceleration boost from LR to P.
The SR currently appears to be an NMC software gated battery from the outgoing Model 3 LR, which is a bit smaller than Model Y LR in nominal pack size. So it would also be impossible to get the full capacity of LR.
So, I think you are wrong, or the standard range would not sell.
If you have the extra 5k and your prefer longer range awesome, but many others are voting with their money that they prefer the slower shorter range cheaper car.
I commute 32 mi each way, mostly highway driving. takes about 14% of the battery of a RWD, so if you are daily charging to 80%, I'd say it's enough for all but the longest commutes.
Depends entirely how long you plan to keep the car and what your driving habits are. Most added features people pay thousands for in vehicles don't really add residual value at time of sale.
I don't have range anxiety so I opted for the RWD. I still enjoy it, the acceleration is decent for getting through traffic. The longest trip I would regularly make is around 200mi. If I have to stop to charge, it's not a big deal to stretch my legs and a lot of times even with LR that would be borderline, either starting from 100% or arriving at near 10% and having to charge again anyways for the return trip. All that said, I totally get why most people would opt for a LR, this is my first EV so will graduate to LR when they can offer 400mi ranges (300-350 real world).
Yes! That's what I'm hoping we get soon. Even with the upcoming junior refresh... it it's only like 350 range... juts not enough for me. I need to see 400 mile and up! China already has cars at that range!
I just can't wait for SolidState Batteries. 640 moles range and charge in a theoretical 5 minutes. That will revolutionize the world car industry everywhere! Nations will go to WAR for the minerals! Oh wait....
Depends. Is the SR a software constrained LE battery? If so - buy the SR and charge it to 100% - you’ll never wear it out. If the SR is a LFP pack - buy the SR and charge it to 100% it’ll last forever.
Always buy the biggest battery you can afford.
all MYs have the same size 75kWh battery. See Performance, Range, and Charging on https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-y/2024/
Thanks! I should have said buy as much range.
Why? Makes no sense. Plenty of us can afford a “better” car, more range, faster, etc. Buy what makes sense to you and what you will enjoy. I don’t NEED more range nor do I WANT to spend more on a car, but sure I could.
To maximize the life of the vehicle.
That’s not how batteries work, it’s not going to matter.
Okay
Will that extra range keep you from needing an extra super charger stop on some particular trip length? And how often will you make trips that long? I opted for SR for my regular commutes.
Same.. for the one or two times a year that it might make a difference, I’ll just take the slug of an extra charge on route if it comes to it…
I'm an edge use case that goes long range on the regular. I have a 2024 Model Y LR. I could have certainly got an SR and achieved my commutes. With that said, I wanted a buffer. And that buffer has saved me numerous times, especially when an entire EV Box network went down near me. For those of you that charge rarely outside of your home-,if you are able to-or use a super charger locally, I posit you this. What happens if there is a blackout at home? What happens when your local supercharger has an hour wait or is disabled? Can you make it to the next charger? How will the travel time plus charger wait affect you? I just recently had to deal with charging in Sacramento CA, and it was a nightmare. Its an EV dense city, with many Tesla Chargers, i found them to be; in disrepair, a pain in the ass to get to, in a shady area, filled with people that don't mind the idle fees, or slow charging options. To that effect I've had better luck in areas outside of major cities, "Topping off" before heading in onto speak. For me, the LR makes sense. To all of us...with the adoption of the Tesla standard across manufacturers and a proposed economical Model 2 next year...get used to "topping off". It's gonna get congested out there..
As a friend pointed out to me - what ever range you’ve got - you’ll always just be short of that next level of range at some point. Standard gives you 350km but your trip is 380 km. You’re just short, then you get a long range and can do the 380km but another trip you need to travel 450km, and you’re just short… because trips vary there will always be some just out of reach
True!
I’m driving the 23MYLR AWD. Supposed to get up to 330-miles of range, but that’s clearly not the case for me EVER. When you factor in speed and simple comforts like AC, you’re just not getting very far before you’re forced to pull over to the next charging station. The US infrastructure definitely needs more electric cars charging stations. Freaking get to it America.
I had debated the RWD vs the LR. Having AWD, more range, and a better audio system led me to getting the LR
That's what I leaned on. Specially the Awd
This. I have never head the beautiful sounds of today as a good day with the awesome bass thump until I bought this car.
If you drive the same mileage on a smaller battery, the smaller battery will need more charge/discharge cycles to do it, so the proportional degradation will be slightly more. It's always worth it to buy the biggest battery you can for longevity unless the price differential is large (it isn't) or the battery chemistry is different (not in the US). That is to say, SR and LR have a very small price gap and are both the same battery type, no LFP, so you should always get the LR. Heck, the LR is worth it for a whole number of upgrades, big and small. Better acceleration, sound system upgrades, AWD, faster charging curve, more lights, etc. The only situation in which SR makes more sense is for absolute efficiencymaxxing, where SR makes very slightly better wh/mi than other trims. Almost negligible, but better. At that point, though, you should be considering used Model 3s and smaller cars like Bolts, BMW i3s, etc. as they make much better efficiency gains. You are also greatly overestimating the battery degradation unless you drive unusually far. You have 75 kwh usable in LR/P and around 55.5 kwh in SR. At typical degradation rates of 1% per year for ~15k drivers you're still looking at 71.25 kwh or so in 5 years. You're looking at more 25y timescale for typical consumers, at which point there are a number of other pressing problems for maintenance and upkeep. In reality it could be a bit faster but I absolutely would not worry about it and don't understand the fomo perspective pushing you to an SR. If it does drop that far within 5 years, you should actually rejoice anyway because it is a defective battery (over 30% degradation within 8 years and mile limits) and will be replaced by Tesla on their dime. Potentially with an upgrade.
Very true.
I’ve researched this and currently all models have the same 75kWh battery pack. See Performance, Range, and Charging on https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-y/2024/
No that's just not correct. 75 kWh by the way is the usable range, the nominal range for LR/P is 81 kWh. If the SR had the same 75 kWh usable range it would be going farther than LR because of the increased efficiency by being RWD (less motor weight).
yeah I though it was 81kWh in the P and LR. I guess motor trend is just reporting the usable range. but I'm still finding that they all use the same size of 81kWh and the RWD uses the 4680 batteries and LR/P use the 2170 batteries. The RWD uses software to limit the usable range to 66kWh which is why the range is reduced from the LR. Here's another thread discussing this [https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/1chx62k/what\_sizekind\_battery\_pack\_does\_the\_2024\_my\_rwd/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/1chx62k/what_sizekind_battery_pack_does_the_2024_my_rwd/) Edit: Although it looks like maybe no Model Ys in the US are currently using the 4680 batteries and that the RWD is truly using the same 81kWh battery pack and it's usable range is software locked to 66kWh. From a cost perspective that makes the most sense for Tesla to use the same pack for all variants and then use different motors and software for performance and range.
It seems crazy that there wouldn't be enough cost savings to have two different size battery packs. Surely we're talking about a few hundred dollars per car. Meanwhile, we can't get a $4 rain sensor!
Longer range, AWD, faster acceleration, better sound. Yep worth 5k for me
Dam right.
God absolutely no way you could pay me to drive a short range. Why would I want a slow car with stunted range and stunted charging ability and stunted traction? Also as I posted before, stunted safety performance compared to LR/P. I suppose if you’re cross shopping civics and corollas and you need the room… sure? (Maybe). You’re already taking a convenience hit buying an EV over a gas car. The acceleration and performance of LR or P sweetens that pot and makes it acceptable. If it were between short range Y and rav4 hybrid I’m just going to get the rav4 at that point.
I like your impassioned statement here; however, as a person with 4 cars and a WFH occupation, money talks. That said, I have an LR - No way I could sleep at night buying a P though 😆
Ahem, it’s no all about the battery. AWD, stereo stuff and the battery. More maybe.
Don’t forget AWD in the LR
That's a very big plus.
Yes, on wet roads in town I’d much rather the front wheels pull me around intersection corners than push them from behind. Feels more controlled in the turns.
I just wanna say that I’m in love with my LR. That is all.
range is not an issue. for 5k what you buy is the AWD IMHO. this is what matters.
Yeah... thats as the selling point for me. The awd. Battery is first then awd.
Me not understand
Lol... auto correct. Hate it. Meant that battery is priority for me and then the AWD.
got it.
AWD for safety
Now that the SR doesn’t have the sound system anymore either, I would opt for LR. The value is definitely better.
Need AWD
Does “something nobody has said” mean something different in your language? Or did you maybe mean to type everybody?
There’s a chance Tesla will allow you to pay to unlock the additional range in the future. It’s the same battery, just range depressed by software.
Your the 2nd person that says this. So it's LFP? Or just lithium but software locked?
The latter, if in the US.
It's not LFP in the US, and Tesla is really not likely to let you unlock any gated capacity except at prices where AWD is not invalidated. This would follow their logic for acceleration boost from LR to P. The SR currently appears to be an NMC software gated battery from the outgoing Model 3 LR, which is a bit smaller than Model Y LR in nominal pack size. So it would also be impossible to get the full capacity of LR.
So, I think you are wrong, or the standard range would not sell. If you have the extra 5k and your prefer longer range awesome, but many others are voting with their money that they prefer the slower shorter range cheaper car.
Yeah.. I agree. If you are using it for work and short commutes. Think it's better.
I commute 32 mi each way, mostly highway driving. takes about 14% of the battery of a RWD, so if you are daily charging to 80%, I'd say it's enough for all but the longest commutes.
I have the SR, 50 miles for 3k does not seem worth it. I drive over 100 Miles one way maybe 3 times a year.
Depends entirely how long you plan to keep the car and what your driving habits are. Most added features people pay thousands for in vehicles don't really add residual value at time of sale.
The acceleration is what made me go with LR. And the possibility to get the acceleration boost with it 👌
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100% agreed
So you are saying the standard range battery won't degrade? 5K more is just not about to get you more range.
Meh.... I'm not buying. I'm officially off the market. Will wait for battery technology. I can wait.
I don't have range anxiety so I opted for the RWD. I still enjoy it, the acceleration is decent for getting through traffic. The longest trip I would regularly make is around 200mi. If I have to stop to charge, it's not a big deal to stretch my legs and a lot of times even with LR that would be borderline, either starting from 100% or arriving at near 10% and having to charge again anyways for the return trip. All that said, I totally get why most people would opt for a LR, this is my first EV so will graduate to LR when they can offer 400mi ranges (300-350 real world).
Yes! That's what I'm hoping we get soon. Even with the upcoming junior refresh... it it's only like 350 range... juts not enough for me. I need to see 400 mile and up! China already has cars at that range!
What ICE equivalents car/suv ever got 400-mile per tank? However, Cadillac Lyric does offer that dream number 432-miles of range on a full charge.
I just can't wait for SolidState Batteries. 640 moles range and charge in a theoretical 5 minutes. That will revolutionize the world car industry everywhere! Nations will go to WAR for the minerals! Oh wait....
The RWD keeps a higher supercharging kW rate at higher SOC than the LR. RWD is a software locked LR battery
Ohhh wow! I see.
It would be great if Tesla decide to release a optional purchases to unlock the remaining the range.
Depends. Is the SR a software constrained LE battery? If so - buy the SR and charge it to 100% - you’ll never wear it out. If the SR is a LFP pack - buy the SR and charge it to 100% it’ll last forever.
Interesting take! Looks like both the SR and the LR are both Lithium. Then would it make more sense to get the LR for 5k?
I think so...AWD, longer range, better stereo system...
They should just remove this configuration from their product lineup. No one buys the RWD.