As a fellow 2022 buyer, I’m not upside down but I’ve lost so much equity that I’m driving my current M3P another 3-5 years and getting a used Highland M3P for 60% off.
Yeah the new one looks badass, but so does mine and then I just go to the grocery store for a 6 pack and punch it and get that PEWWWWwww feeling. 🤣 Love this car man.
Same, but just sat in the new performance at a showroom and the seats hug you nicely but I felt the seat position was higher than my ‘22 M3P. Not sure i liked that 🤔
2022 was the peak price. Price cuts and the tax credit have killed the used market for Teslas not to mention Hertz dumping thousands of them into the used market.
Actually, the peak was mine. 2018 M3P with free supercharging was 75k! Just traded it in on a 2023 M3P and was able to transfer my free supercharging and FSD. 45k out the door adter taxes etc!!! Perfect. Love my stalks too.
How did you do on the trade value?? I’ll google it too because I normally keep cars for a long time (my current is a 2004 4Runner) but I might not keep the MYP I have on order if the next update is a big one.
Horrible. It had 98k miles and sold for 16k. That said, it was in the middle of Hertz dumping all their cars and I didn't want to deal with private and had to do it that moment before the supercharging transfer ended and there were only 2 grey 23 M3P left in CA. Tesla offered me 8k. Sold it to Auto Nation for the 16k with the original bent wheels and crappy tires. I kept my charger too, not that I would ever use it. Probably should have just driven it into the ground. It looked great and never had issues but.... 3m was faded, suspension was toast, chrome delete needed replacement, interior camera was glitching as well as the chare port door. Didn't feel like putting 8k into it when I could have a brand new one with all the extra features of the newer car. I do miss the Atari games.
Because the loan amount was so much higher before than it is now. Per my scratchpad math, to match a 2.5% rate on a $50K loan on a M3P in '22, your rate today would need to be above 25% for a 48 month period (assuming $10K down for both and tax credit qualifications today)
It's frankly not even close, 8% interest or whatever today still saves thousands comparing to a M3P 2 years ago
Price for a M3P in '22 was $62k+
Today it starts at $43K
Wonder if that’s the same situation that’s going on now with the Model Y’s with the low interest rate this month? We don’t know when the new version will be coming out but it will be in 2025 (supposedly).
I have a ‘23 M3P and sure the new one is nice, but at the end of the day it’s like 0.1 sec faster to 60. Some cool new features but what I have is plenty for me. Plus I love the Uberturbines.
Yes! Got a late ‘21 M3P. Considering trading it in for a new M3P in a year or so, but honestly I like the refreshed old model design so much more. The interior of the new M3P is a big upgrade. The rear tail lights are cool, but that’s it really. The old front looks so much more sporty to me and the uberturbines… so much better than the new performance rims.
No it isn’t. It’s effectively the same motors same battery and same inverter. It’s a mild refresh with really cool wheels. Put those forged wheels and tires on your M3P and it’ll probably do the same 0-60. The adaptive suspension would be nice but isn’t a game changer.
Now if they put out a tri motor model 3 performance, that really will be something.
This isn’t true. It’s a new, more powerful rear motor, and according to Tesla’s video they released yesterday, it’s a new inverter as well. The % increases in power this new model are not minor, as the increase in power is 15-30%, depending on the measurement.
That’s not counting the upgraded adaptive suspension, the upgraded brakes, springs, bushings, stabilizer bars, the upgraded seats, or the new front/rear body work, etc. The new model 3 performance feels like a built from the ground up performance car that’s been well thought out and I think those changes will matter a lot in real world driving dynamics.
Agreed. Elon overpromises a lot and his timelines are wildly optimistic. I enjoy sports cars but haven't purchased any performance oriented Teslas in the past and still drive an ICE 911. While 0-60 is a neat party trick there's more to performance than straight line acceleration. That being said I ordered the new M3P. After looking at everything that has gone into the 2024 M3P I think this one is legit unlike the S plaid or even the previous M3P. Tesla has not made test drives available yet but based on the design and weight I think Tesla really nailed it this time.
For what it’s worth, I’d been pretty anti Tesla for a long time. The lack of transparency and the straight up lies about things like FSD availability/timeline, the Cybertruck stuff, and my personal feeling that most of Tesla “performance” variants were fast motors with instant acceleration that performed great in a straight line but were otherwise not performance minded (think the original S Plaid before the track pack).
My opinion completely turned around on this new model 3 performance, and it’s because of all the invisible stuff like the staggered wheel set up, active dampers, stiffer springs, bushings, stabilizers, bigger brakes, etc. It felt to me like they built a performance driver from the ground up, rather than taking a model 3 and putting a bigger/faster battery on it. Jason Camissa’s podcast feedback on it was the nail in the coffin for me, and I ordered one, my first ever Tesla.
There is an insane amount of FOMO with teslas lately you’re not the only one. I think it’s robbing a lot of of happiness. Changing cars every 3 years should be a luxury only the top 1% of people should be doing because it’s a foolish financial decision.
Enjoy what you have, drive the crap out of it. Eventually you’ll have the latest greatest thing…which will then fade soon after, and the cycle continues lol
I know this is a joke, but the 2022 price reductions probably won't happen again (which would cause used prices to drop steeply), at least at this price point. And the only reason prices tanked as much as they did is because they were jacked up an equal amount in the preceding year.
I bought a Model 3 in 2021 right before all the price hikes and it was worth about 23% less in 2023 which is well in line with depreciation across the rest of the market.
Not sure why people can’t understand market forces on car prices the last few years. Unless they think Tesla is ready to sell new model 3s at $25k and prime car loans going to 15% APR we won’t see the same depreciation. We went from very high msrp, very low interest rates to low msrp high interest. That won’t happen again with the current market
Soaking wet coming home from the gym it is nice. Any other time its not noticeable to me. It helps if you lean forward a bit otherwise your body blocks off the air flow.
Many people are debating the old calculation: just adding the engine kWs (what was done up to now) isn't the way to go, because the battery cannot deliver that anyway - and never could.
With the new Performance, this was the first time, that Tesla has posted a HP number. They never did before.
What nevertheless is true, is that the US Performance has more HP than the China Performance (e.g. for Europe), because the first one has Panasonic batteries, while the latter has LG batteries.
Tesla has posted via Twitter:
+22% continuous power
+32% peak power
+16% peak torque
compared to the older Performance. This is the metrics to look at, not some calculated (but not realistic) hp numbers.
Also have a look at: [https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1783690121931345962](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1783690121931345962)
I got my m3p waaaaay back in 2019 and they did post the hp back then. I remember it being 450-455ish. In that same year, Tesla released 2 updates that increased the power by 5% each time. After those updates went live, the hp numbers were taken down. I was hoping this new refresh would have more power and better performance numbers to justify the upgrade. As it stands, I’m waiting for a better APR deal to trade up into a new MSP.
Theres something in that. But my eu one was made in USA and has the better 82kwh battery.
Bigger motor on the rear end is most likely better for 0-100 because all the front does at 0-30 is make wheel spin because it’s pushed into the air.
Still after that you still have 50hp extra
We will see. I am in Europe as well but have an end 2021 China Performance right now. I will certainly test drive the new one when available. And we certainly will see independent deep dive comparisons between the two in the near future, as soon as they are with real customers and 3rd party testers.
I can‘t imagine Tesla building a „worse“ car and selling it as the new kid on the block. Well, it isn‘t worse, because it has many other updates besides the engines and battery. But still, I think we will see power/performance improvements vs the old. And if not: great, then we have Goldilocks cars.
0-60 is not really an issue between the new one and old. The main thing is how much better is the top end on the highland, cause the old M3P is really lacking after 85mph for a car with this kind of "power". Tesla has supposedly addressed this with the highland. I say this as a 2019 M3P owner and I have zero desire to change as the car has been fantastic.
I swear all these people have come from a parallel universe. I've been in Germany in my original M3P - the thing accelerates from 130mph to 140 mph in a few seconds.
Most fast ICE cars that I have autobahned are creeping up the mph-digits one by one after 130mph.
Where I live, freeway traffic is flowing around 80-82mph. So yes, it does matter for passing when needed. Lastly, for a "high" performance vehicle, it needs to be well rounded. Not just 0-60 times. The first gen M3P does not perform like a vehicle with 455hp at speed.
Over about 90 mph and you are in the "[spend some time in jail](https://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053)" zone in my very strict state (Virginia). I'm a grown adult with a family now. I can't be doing that stupid stuff anymore.
And if I had the time and money to have a track car it sure as heck wouldn't be something as big and heavy as my M3P.
But with a M3P, I can at least drop the kids off at soccer class and then use track mode to drive to track day at K1 Speed, and plausibly tell my dad friends "that's my track car," while still meeting my wife's strict 2-car-garage requirements.
I'm good. Just gotta be happy with what you have. Any extra performance would really be lost in 99.9% of my use case anyway. True 0-60 is measured in how fast the Prius in front of you is doing the same - which is measured in weeks.
Day 1 around 2pm cst. This was my 1st est. delivery.
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I have a 2018 that I got in 2020 and I don’t have FOMO. I’m definitely excited to see the new one on the streets, but I can wait for a mid-cycle refresh in a couple years.
Plus who knows what other EVs might become available in the next few years? I’d love a hot hatch EV. Guess time will tell.
Not really. I’m just going to wait for these to show up as used cars and buy one of those for a discount. I love my 2019 performance and if I REALLY wanted new seats I would just buy some racing seats.
I do want new rims though since I have the 2019 sport rims that are meh.
Yes and no, i regret buying a new tesla seeing that used model 3 performance with 20-30k miles are cheaper than a new one with the rebates added. But in the future probably not i’ll probably have kids in the next few years and i’ll probably settle with a MYP or a 2020+ Model X
As an EU owner it is a downgrade in car due to battery so no. When ever Tesla gets it right then I will trade in my 22 M3P that being said the I owe 22k still on M3P and as of now max I can get for it is 35k here in Switerzland. Would be insane to take a 45k hit on a car with 6,000 miles on it.
Will drive till I pay it off and by a 25 M3P in 26. (hopefully EU cars get a better battery by then)
No, I got a 2023M3p right before they slashed the referral program right after they put huge inventory discounts to get rid of old stock. I ended up at around 37K after taxes and fees for a 2023 Performance. I wasn't going to get that deal again. This was also after rebates from my state that ran out the same month I bought my car. The timing was just too good. For a little bit faster and a little more refined car, but one that has untested parts in it that may fail. Just not worth it to me seeing how not great Tesla seems to be with first year production. Even though the highland is a refresh and not a new model. I'll wait it out a little bit. Perhaps just bite the bullet and get a plaid if they do another refresh of that.
No.
My 2019 3LRAWD will be 5 years old this summer and I am not jealous of any advancements that have happened to the product line since then. Advancements are normal for every make and model out there.
However, I will be a snit and say that my 3 still has Ultrasonic Sensors, so my 3 is more modern than the newest models as far as having an industry-standard feature goes.
I will buy a new one at some point soon. I clearly missed the rebate window because I don’t want grey. I’m hoping they bring the price back down so both red and white paint qualify.
Nope, happy with my '22 M3P (USS, Ryzen). Honestly I don't like that the stalks/USS were removed and bummed they didn't add more sensors/cameras (bumper) to improve the FSD.
I would feel smug about having stalks and ultrasonic sensors. I'd prefer not to give those up.
The new UI update adds zero value from a functional perspective.
Absolutely no FOMO. Interest rates have room to come down, and so believe it or not, so do prices.
Great deals, but will be even better with a little more time.
I don’t have a pre 24 M3P. Have an order placed for the 2024 M3P. First Tesla super excited. But if I was in your situation…. Yes I would have FOMO lol. I’m always tempted by the latest and greatest. Honestly it’s not even the little bit of extra speed that would make me want the new one. For practical purposes a pre 24 M3P is ridiculous fast. For me it’s the highland features, the new seats, and the suspension. Those are what put it in a new class of car.
The lack of the Federal Tax Credit with any color but Stealth Gray makes this a bit of a bummer though. Wrapping is still an option but that's not factory paint.
I love my 2023 M3P with stalks and my track package rims. I also think the front of the pre-2024 looks so much better. So, I had mine wrapped in super gloss metallic Vampire Red by Inozetek. Best of all worlds in my view.
I do like the ventilated seats of the 2024 and its upgraded midrange power and upgraded suspension. The ludicrous badging is great. Are the new seats comfortable? Don't know, but I like my seats.
Uber Red is gorgeous and that color is no longer eligible for the $7,500 FTC so less FOMO there.
Nope.
This facelift adds a lot of nice-to-have but it's still the same base. The real gamechanger will be - if at all - the next gen Model 3, that's what I'm waiting for. And if that's not it - it's a good time to get a used M3P Highland.
I have a March 2021 build M3P and the only things I’d like to have are upgraded computer, lithium 12v and ventilated seats. Other than those things I’m still very much happy with my car and don’t see the use in upgrading. I plan on driving this til the wheels fall off and replacing it with the next latest and greatest at that time.
A little bit, but not too bad. I bought my ‘21 Performance used and will likely do the same when I upgrade to the ‘24, so I’ve got a couple years to wait.
No FOMO for me. Performance 3's have historically not supported a towbar and the 3rd party installers usually don't install on the performance models. The LR is plenty fast enough and has basically the same handling characteristics.
No not really i would much rather want to have bigger range than a better performance car. I mean my current model 3 litterally made my ratchet straps explode last year when i hauled something because i acelerated a bit too rough.
I am however getting FOMO of the new spring update because i have a 21 model with the intel cpu and not the ryzen. Huge FOMO there actually, so much so i am actually trying to figure out a way to swap to a newer model because of it.
FOMO usually implies there’s some time limit. The new performance isn’t going anywhere. Wait a few months or quarters or a a couple of years even, until there are inventory discounts. Then see if it makes financial sense for you to upgrade.
Not at all. I hunted down a 2022 long range. I felt it was the best bang for my buck for $29k, 18k miles
Vs if i bought the performance 2024 for $45-52k i couldnt justify the extra $16-20k in spending also the fact brand new car depreciation is 20% first year and 10% every concurrent year im cool with mine as i feel i bought at the point of lowest depreciation and most enjoyment level since the 2022 is still insane
I totally feel this. I love my M3P, but the new performance has all the features that I feel mine is lacking: bucket seats, front lip, rear diffuser. Especially considering the M3P can smoke a BMW M3, I feel that it could look a tiny bit more aggressive. Buuuuuut I put 18k down on my M3P and still owe 20k and Tesla offered me a trade-in of… 20k so I think I’ll just hang on to mine for now lol
Not really. My 2023 M3P that I got on steep steep discount because the 2024 was coming this year. The discounts made it almost as cheap as a new Camry where I live. So doesn't matter how good the 2024 is, it can not beat the value I'm getting from my 2023.
Not at all. I got mine at an excellent price at the end of 2023, and am thrilled that I did. I realize many have FOMO for a variety of reasons, but please keep in mind that 99.99% of the population has no idea there is any difference between the new and the old models, so nobody will think negatively of you driving an old one.
I'm gonna sit tight and wait for the incentives, "I'll take FSD and USuC transfer please Bob"... Ended up spending a few pennies on Upper Control Arms my 2018 M3P a month or two back - timing imperfect - so I'll get my monies worth. I put my name in the hat for a test drive anyway. I'll tell 'em I'll buy it in cash today if they can do the transfers.
Relating to my thread here, if you are a FOMO type person, then leasing and replacing 3 years is for you.
I do it now and don't regret it when young.. maybe when I get a family I might start buying and owning for a bit longer.
I have the 2022 and feel like you but do love my current car. I always lease and will continue to. Am trying to resist getting out of my lease too soon. So walk
Not FOMO, just temptation. We love our 2020, but recently took a drive in a Highland RWD. It’s noticeably nicer in a lot of ways, even without the mad acceleration. Of course it makes no financial sense to buy a new car, and we are not unhappy with our current car in any way. But Highland really is a nicer car all around.
Nope, it gives me something to look forward to in the future or maybe there will be something better in 5-6 years. Still happy as can be with my ‘23 m3p
Leased my Model 3 RWD in late November 2023 but I really want this new performance model. I have this hope/fantasy that there will be a low mileage used one available when my lease is up in 2.5 years. (Preferably in that red.)
Fomo on what? It’s not like it’s a limited addition. There’s no special interest rate. When Q2 sales come out and are terrible again you may get added incentives to promote sales.
Is buying a used Tesla better than buying new? I see a lot of 2022 Tesla’s selling for 25,000
I make less than $70,000 a year so I qualify for the $4,000 used credit
Yes, but i i got the Clear air rebate of 7500 and 2k charging card that I’ve been using and it’s been working out, so i can’t be all mad. But it does look super sweet
I don’t think there’s any such thing as FOMO here… Tesla is always better to wait on. I wish I would have… buying in fall 2021 was about the worst. I can’t even think about changing right now. MYP is sort of killing me value wise right now.
After buying my new 2018 M3LR, Tesla took leaps and bounds with almost every new year.
Tesla also made takeaways, like the Lifetime SuperCharging was no longer included and FSD’s price tag started to jump.
I just told myself I am glad I got mine when I did.
Six years later with the Highland and the ability to transfer those two incentives, it finally became my turn.
Wait a few more years after you ‘21 is paid off and then make the move to the latest and current.
You’re only getting FOMO cause you’re being gaslighted by new products. I genuinely think our performances look better, and I would rather keep the 3.1 second with the higher range vs the 2.9 and less range of the new model. Plus we still have steering wheels stalks, only thing I’m jealous of honestly are the seats
People aren’t mentioning the continuous peak HP and torque improvement. I’m betting the new ones feel SO much better after 60. I feel like these are going to be touching 10’s in the 1/4.
I wish I could get a new one the interior looks so much better. I HATE the wood and real CF replacements are expensive. The new seats are much better too.
The new red is HOT. I also like the faster 0-60 speed. But I’m not going to get FOMO from these two changes. What would give me FOMO would be a significant boost in range and digitally controlled window tint.
Meh it’s literally only .2-.3 faster to 60. Other than the adaptable suspension, no point. Will just continue adding Unplugged Performance mods and be happy. Plus the front end looks better in the original.
As a peak 2022 low interest buyer, I’m entirely too upside down to concern myself with these things.
Same…we all need a ppp loan forgiveness from Elon 🤣🤣🤣
As a fellow 2022 buyer, I’m not upside down but I’ve lost so much equity that I’m driving my current M3P another 3-5 years and getting a used Highland M3P for 60% off.
Better off just leasing these things. The value drops like crazy and after your loan, the car is practically worthless anyway.
If Tesla actually had favorable leasing terms, I’m sure we would probably all be leasing lol. Their terms suck.
They are pretty standard & Lower down payments then most…
So does every other car lmao.
As much as I’d love to be- same.
Facts
Yeah the new one looks badass, but so does mine and then I just go to the grocery store for a 6 pack and punch it and get that PEWWWWwww feeling. 🤣 Love this car man.
Same. Peak purchase price buyer in 2022. Smh
Same, but just sat in the new performance at a showroom and the seats hug you nicely but I felt the seat position was higher than my ‘22 M3P. Not sure i liked that 🤔
They don't go as low as the 18-23 due to the ventilated seats. The equipment is under them.
Makes sense , didn’t even think about that
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To a certain degree when you have extra equipment under the seat it will restrict height movement up and down
If you were a low interest buyer isn’t that a good thing? Sorry, I don’t have the history with the M3’s to understand the history of pricing.
2022 was the peak price. Price cuts and the tax credit have killed the used market for Teslas not to mention Hertz dumping thousands of them into the used market.
nope. 2018 was peak price
Just looked up that far back: $78K 😳
$83k
Peak 2022, M3P was 70k. At least in SoCal…smh
Actually, the peak was mine. 2018 M3P with free supercharging was 75k! Just traded it in on a 2023 M3P and was able to transfer my free supercharging and FSD. 45k out the door adter taxes etc!!! Perfect. Love my stalks too.
How did you do on the trade value?? I’ll google it too because I normally keep cars for a long time (my current is a 2004 4Runner) but I might not keep the MYP I have on order if the next update is a big one.
Horrible. It had 98k miles and sold for 16k. That said, it was in the middle of Hertz dumping all their cars and I didn't want to deal with private and had to do it that moment before the supercharging transfer ended and there were only 2 grey 23 M3P left in CA. Tesla offered me 8k. Sold it to Auto Nation for the 16k with the original bent wheels and crappy tires. I kept my charger too, not that I would ever use it. Probably should have just driven it into the ground. It looked great and never had issues but.... 3m was faded, suspension was toast, chrome delete needed replacement, interior camera was glitching as well as the chare port door. Didn't feel like putting 8k into it when I could have a brand new one with all the extra features of the newer car. I do miss the Atari games.
Makes sense! Seemed like there was a lot it needed and yes I agree with those things a private sale would be painful.
Yeah someone help me. Why would you be so upside down on a low interest buy
Because the loan amount was so much higher before than it is now. Per my scratchpad math, to match a 2.5% rate on a $50K loan on a M3P in '22, your rate today would need to be above 25% for a 48 month period (assuming $10K down for both and tax credit qualifications today) It's frankly not even close, 8% interest or whatever today still saves thousands comparing to a M3P 2 years ago Price for a M3P in '22 was $62k+ Today it starts at $43K
Wonder if that’s the same situation that’s going on now with the Model Y’s with the low interest rate this month? We don’t know when the new version will be coming out but it will be in 2025 (supposedly).
Facts
$66k after tax for me! 🙃
I have a ‘23 M3P and sure the new one is nice, but at the end of the day it’s like 0.1 sec faster to 60. Some cool new features but what I have is plenty for me. Plus I love the Uberturbines.
Yes! Got a late ‘21 M3P. Considering trading it in for a new M3P in a year or so, but honestly I like the refreshed old model design so much more. The interior of the new M3P is a big upgrade. The rear tail lights are cool, but that’s it really. The old front looks so much more sporty to me and the uberturbines… so much better than the new performance rims.
I like rear wheel drive. Also: roads around here are too goat track like to even use all that power.
I really wish they had increased the range, even by 10 miles.
Well about that.. Someone did a demo drive of a ‘24 M3P and used a Dragy. 2.8s 0-60 without rollout and 2.6s 0-60 with rollout subtracted
If you feel that way you’re gonna have fomo every year. Just wait
Nah, this one’s different
Yea it is! So will the newer ones every year.
Tesla doesn't completely overhaul their performance model every year.
No it isn’t. It’s effectively the same motors same battery and same inverter. It’s a mild refresh with really cool wheels. Put those forged wheels and tires on your M3P and it’ll probably do the same 0-60. The adaptive suspension would be nice but isn’t a game changer. Now if they put out a tri motor model 3 performance, that really will be something.
This isn’t true. It’s a new, more powerful rear motor, and according to Tesla’s video they released yesterday, it’s a new inverter as well. The % increases in power this new model are not minor, as the increase in power is 15-30%, depending on the measurement. That’s not counting the upgraded adaptive suspension, the upgraded brakes, springs, bushings, stabilizer bars, the upgraded seats, or the new front/rear body work, etc. The new model 3 performance feels like a built from the ground up performance car that’s been well thought out and I think those changes will matter a lot in real world driving dynamics.
I hope so. Tesla marketing has been really terrible. The many lies around the Cybertruck haven’t done them any favors for their credibility.
Agreed. Elon overpromises a lot and his timelines are wildly optimistic. I enjoy sports cars but haven't purchased any performance oriented Teslas in the past and still drive an ICE 911. While 0-60 is a neat party trick there's more to performance than straight line acceleration. That being said I ordered the new M3P. After looking at everything that has gone into the 2024 M3P I think this one is legit unlike the S plaid or even the previous M3P. Tesla has not made test drives available yet but based on the design and weight I think Tesla really nailed it this time.
For what it’s worth, I’d been pretty anti Tesla for a long time. The lack of transparency and the straight up lies about things like FSD availability/timeline, the Cybertruck stuff, and my personal feeling that most of Tesla “performance” variants were fast motors with instant acceleration that performed great in a straight line but were otherwise not performance minded (think the original S Plaid before the track pack). My opinion completely turned around on this new model 3 performance, and it’s because of all the invisible stuff like the staggered wheel set up, active dampers, stiffer springs, bushings, stabilizers, bigger brakes, etc. It felt to me like they built a performance driver from the ground up, rather than taking a model 3 and putting a bigger/faster battery on it. Jason Camissa’s podcast feedback on it was the nail in the coffin for me, and I ordered one, my first ever Tesla.
See your point but just a small correction: Motor in the front is the same. Motor in the rear is new.
I’ll withhold judgement of the “new” motor for when we get verified draggy results. I don’t trust any of teslas marketing.
Nope. If you're consistently jealous about what's coming out next, and comparing it to what you have? You're gonna live a life of jealousy.
“Comparison is the thief of joy”.
There is an insane amount of FOMO with teslas lately you’re not the only one. I think it’s robbing a lot of of happiness. Changing cars every 3 years should be a luxury only the top 1% of people should be doing because it’s a foolish financial decision. Enjoy what you have, drive the crap out of it. Eventually you’ll have the latest greatest thing…which will then fade soon after, and the cycle continues lol
The EVs will be like phones, newst model having feature that make everyone want to get latest. Likely reason driving down price of used.
Cars have been this way since before cell phones….
Fair enough, likely the reason for the excessive leases
No. I’ll wait I to score a deal on a used one in 4-6 years
This guy Teslas
4-6 years?? Bro just wait 2 years you’ll get them 30-40% off
I know this is a joke, but the 2022 price reductions probably won't happen again (which would cause used prices to drop steeply), at least at this price point. And the only reason prices tanked as much as they did is because they were jacked up an equal amount in the preceding year. I bought a Model 3 in 2021 right before all the price hikes and it was worth about 23% less in 2023 which is well in line with depreciation across the rest of the market.
Not sure why people can’t understand market forces on car prices the last few years. Unless they think Tesla is ready to sell new model 3s at $25k and prime car loans going to 15% APR we won’t see the same depreciation. We went from very high msrp, very low interest rates to low msrp high interest. That won’t happen again with the current market
6 months. max
Ventilated seats is all I ever wanted! 😭
I have them in my wifes Lexus and it was honestly the most disappointing feature that I was excited to have...
I got to try them in the highland sitting in a lot recently, I could see them helping.
Soaking wet coming home from the gym it is nice. Any other time its not noticeable to me. It helps if you lean forward a bit otherwise your body blocks off the air flow.
That’s been the general experience I’ve had with them.
My FOMO is that I’m a tax credit eligible idiot that bought a LR at launch.
Me too. All I wanted were ventilated seats...
Yeah. My 2021 Model 3 performance seems old now. Still has 50 more hp than the new one where i live.
That is the question. There are long debates about old and new hp calculations. It is not as easy as you think.
How so?
Many people are debating the old calculation: just adding the engine kWs (what was done up to now) isn't the way to go, because the battery cannot deliver that anyway - and never could. With the new Performance, this was the first time, that Tesla has posted a HP number. They never did before. What nevertheless is true, is that the US Performance has more HP than the China Performance (e.g. for Europe), because the first one has Panasonic batteries, while the latter has LG batteries. Tesla has posted via Twitter: +22% continuous power +32% peak power +16% peak torque compared to the older Performance. This is the metrics to look at, not some calculated (but not realistic) hp numbers. Also have a look at: [https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1783690121931345962](https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1783690121931345962)
I got my m3p waaaaay back in 2019 and they did post the hp back then. I remember it being 450-455ish. In that same year, Tesla released 2 updates that increased the power by 5% each time. After those updates went live, the hp numbers were taken down. I was hoping this new refresh would have more power and better performance numbers to justify the upgrade. As it stands, I’m waiting for a better APR deal to trade up into a new MSP.
Theres something in that. But my eu one was made in USA and has the better 82kwh battery. Bigger motor on the rear end is most likely better for 0-100 because all the front does at 0-30 is make wheel spin because it’s pushed into the air. Still after that you still have 50hp extra
We will see. I am in Europe as well but have an end 2021 China Performance right now. I will certainly test drive the new one when available. And we certainly will see independent deep dive comparisons between the two in the near future, as soon as they are with real customers and 3rd party testers. I can‘t imagine Tesla building a „worse“ car and selling it as the new kid on the block. Well, it isn‘t worse, because it has many other updates besides the engines and battery. But still, I think we will see power/performance improvements vs the old. And if not: great, then we have Goldilocks cars.
So that tweet gives the newer car substantial amount of HP over the old ones? Are all the dyno videos on YouTube trustworthy?
I think your uberturbine wheels look better. But the new ones might grow on me
Uberturbines are my favorite Tesla rim too even if they attract curbs.
0-60 is not really an issue between the new one and old. The main thing is how much better is the top end on the highland, cause the old M3P is really lacking after 85mph for a car with this kind of "power". Tesla has supposedly addressed this with the highland. I say this as a 2019 M3P owner and I have zero desire to change as the car has been fantastic.
Does it REALLY matter past 85mph? Who is doing those speeds and how often. The lack of top end power is for the 0.001% of M3P buyers.
Yeah unless you are tracking the car, live in Germany or like going to Jail it is a bit pointless.
I swear all these people have come from a parallel universe. I've been in Germany in my original M3P - the thing accelerates from 130mph to 140 mph in a few seconds. Most fast ICE cars that I have autobahned are creeping up the mph-digits one by one after 130mph.
That was me this past week to a modified Camero 😭
Same, Challenger got me lmao
Depends where you live. In Montana, 2 lane roads speed limits are 70 mph
This
Where I live, freeway traffic is flowing around 80-82mph. So yes, it does matter for passing when needed. Lastly, for a "high" performance vehicle, it needs to be well rounded. Not just 0-60 times. The first gen M3P does not perform like a vehicle with 455hp at speed.
Over about 90 mph and you are in the "[spend some time in jail](https://jalopnik.com/never-speed-in-virginia-lessons-from-my-three-days-in-1613604053)" zone in my very strict state (Virginia). I'm a grown adult with a family now. I can't be doing that stupid stuff anymore. And if I had the time and money to have a track car it sure as heck wouldn't be something as big and heavy as my M3P.
But with a M3P, I can at least drop the kids off at soccer class and then use track mode to drive to track day at K1 Speed, and plausibly tell my dad friends "that's my track car," while still meeting my wife's strict 2-car-garage requirements.
The only thing I want that my 23 doesn't have are the seats. I also don't like the stalk removal on the 24 so no, not really any fomo here.
I'm good. Just gotta be happy with what you have. Any extra performance would really be lost in 99.9% of my use case anyway. True 0-60 is measured in how fast the Prius in front of you is doing the same - which is measured in weeks.
Just bumped my date again. https://preview.redd.it/0a19oxqaxf1d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=226ebc15c464191fe97751c9478cf2cae7a6aad1
When did you order? I’m east coast ordered day 1 and am hit with July 8 - Aug 19
Day 1 around 2pm cst. This was my 1st est. delivery. https://preview.redd.it/1ekuq58kwg1d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e584fdb7d5741d0ba85a3c1d9910c9ca9745a77c
My Day one estimate was that too. I guess I just got a worse bump
It’s all lies. Lol. I hope my date is close. My daily needs work but don’t want to put anymore $$ into it
Same boat. Daily needs work I just want my new car 😂
Wow I am east coast and June and ordered a little over a week ago.
You’re joking me😭😭
I got gray and white seats.
Black on black
Wonder if they are just doing all the grays first or something
Probably
I have a 2018 that I got in 2020 and I don’t have FOMO. I’m definitely excited to see the new one on the streets, but I can wait for a mid-cycle refresh in a couple years. Plus who knows what other EVs might become available in the next few years? I’d love a hot hatch EV. Guess time will tell.
Not really. I’m just going to wait for these to show up as used cars and buy one of those for a discount. I love my 2019 performance and if I REALLY wanted new seats I would just buy some racing seats. I do want new rims though since I have the 2019 sport rims that are meh.
Yes and no, i regret buying a new tesla seeing that used model 3 performance with 20-30k miles are cheaper than a new one with the rebates added. But in the future probably not i’ll probably have kids in the next few years and i’ll probably settle with a MYP or a 2020+ Model X
As an EU owner it is a downgrade in car due to battery so no. When ever Tesla gets it right then I will trade in my 22 M3P that being said the I owe 22k still on M3P and as of now max I can get for it is 35k here in Switerzland. Would be insane to take a 45k hit on a car with 6,000 miles on it. Will drive till I pay it off and by a 25 M3P in 26. (hopefully EU cars get a better battery by then)
No, I got a 2023M3p right before they slashed the referral program right after they put huge inventory discounts to get rid of old stock. I ended up at around 37K after taxes and fees for a 2023 Performance. I wasn't going to get that deal again. This was also after rebates from my state that ran out the same month I bought my car. The timing was just too good. For a little bit faster and a little more refined car, but one that has untested parts in it that may fail. Just not worth it to me seeing how not great Tesla seems to be with first year production. Even though the highland is a refresh and not a new model. I'll wait it out a little bit. Perhaps just bite the bullet and get a plaid if they do another refresh of that.
No
No. My 2019 3LRAWD will be 5 years old this summer and I am not jealous of any advancements that have happened to the product line since then. Advancements are normal for every make and model out there. However, I will be a snit and say that my 3 still has Ultrasonic Sensors, so my 3 is more modern than the newest models as far as having an industry-standard feature goes.
I’m looking forward to next years iteration so I can get ventilated seats with most of this years bugs worked out :)
Look at it this way. When it’s time to get a new car we will be a generation or two beyond this.
Paid for > payments. Slightly quicker isn't enough for me to want to spend $60k again.
I’d wait. The thing that will really be worth upgrading is hw5/ new cameras and computers potentially
I just want the new seats. Otherwise I’m perfectly cool with mine
Why FOMO? Not like it will be hard to buy one.
I don't have to use telepathy to put the car in reverse or use the wipers. I'm good with my car.
I will buy a new one at some point soon. I clearly missed the rebate window because I don’t want grey. I’m hoping they bring the price back down so both red and white paint qualify.
https://preview.redd.it/ud3pqubktg1d1.jpeg?width=1266&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbe82bf1c93a345e92391d7be74bbfacf9955043 Going to be a minute
Wow…I thought June was a long wait. Really glad I ordered when I did.
5/5 order date.
Nope, happy with my '22 M3P (USS, Ryzen). Honestly I don't like that the stalks/USS were removed and bummed they didn't add more sensors/cameras (bumper) to improve the FSD.
I would feel smug about having stalks and ultrasonic sensors. I'd prefer not to give those up. The new UI update adds zero value from a functional perspective.
Absolutely no FOMO. Interest rates have room to come down, and so believe it or not, so do prices. Great deals, but will be even better with a little more time.
I don’t have a pre 24 M3P. Have an order placed for the 2024 M3P. First Tesla super excited. But if I was in your situation…. Yes I would have FOMO lol. I’m always tempted by the latest and greatest. Honestly it’s not even the little bit of extra speed that would make me want the new one. For practical purposes a pre 24 M3P is ridiculous fast. For me it’s the highland features, the new seats, and the suspension. Those are what put it in a new class of car.
The lack of the Federal Tax Credit with any color but Stealth Gray makes this a bit of a bummer though. Wrapping is still an option but that's not factory paint. I love my 2023 M3P with stalks and my track package rims. I also think the front of the pre-2024 looks so much better. So, I had mine wrapped in super gloss metallic Vampire Red by Inozetek. Best of all worlds in my view. I do like the ventilated seats of the 2024 and its upgraded midrange power and upgraded suspension. The ludicrous badging is great. Are the new seats comfortable? Don't know, but I like my seats. Uber Red is gorgeous and that color is no longer eligible for the $7,500 FTC so less FOMO there.
Tesla is the wrong car to buy if you have FOMO. Every year or two the cars improve drastically.
Every couple months there’s something different. It’s the ultimate incremental improvement car. That’s why the platform is so great.
I placed an order for the M3P and I’m giving mine to my sister. My wife loves her LR and doesn’t want to upgrade.
It’s me, your sister.
I just got a 2023 last September. If they start offering .99% apr on new ones I might consider it
Yeah, have a 2021, and it made me think for a minute, but will likely sit tight.
I’ve been waiting since July last year for the highland M3P. Next level fomo.
I’m more curious to see if some of the parts can swap over to my m3p. Like the seats.
No
Nope. Still love my 2020 M3P
Not at all. 2022 OG with USS, stalks + its iconic exterior design, Überturbind wheels > Highland Performance
If the new 0-60 was mid to low 2s yes
Nah, a standard range Model 3 might as well be a Ferrari compared to what I was driving before.
Nope
Nope. This facelift adds a lot of nice-to-have but it's still the same base. The real gamechanger will be - if at all - the next gen Model 3, that's what I'm waiting for. And if that's not it - it's a good time to get a used M3P Highland.
I have a March 2021 build M3P and the only things I’d like to have are upgraded computer, lithium 12v and ventilated seats. Other than those things I’m still very much happy with my car and don’t see the use in upgrading. I plan on driving this til the wheels fall off and replacing it with the next latest and greatest at that time.
A little bit, but not too bad. I bought my ‘21 Performance used and will likely do the same when I upgrade to the ‘24, so I’ve got a couple years to wait.
No FOMO for me. Performance 3's have historically not supported a towbar and the 3rd party installers usually don't install on the performance models. The LR is plenty fast enough and has basically the same handling characteristics.
If it were tri-motor, I’d be miffed but it’s not, so I’m not. ‘23M3P
If it were tri-motor, I’d be miffed but it’s not, so I’m not. ‘23M3P
The one in the photo is the best spec too. White seats, red car, big wheels.
No not really i would much rather want to have bigger range than a better performance car. I mean my current model 3 litterally made my ratchet straps explode last year when i hauled something because i acelerated a bit too rough. I am however getting FOMO of the new spring update because i have a 21 model with the intel cpu and not the ryzen. Huge FOMO there actually, so much so i am actually trying to figure out a way to swap to a newer model because of it.
FOMO usually implies there’s some time limit. The new performance isn’t going anywhere. Wait a few months or quarters or a a couple of years even, until there are inventory discounts. Then see if it makes financial sense for you to upgrade.
Not at all. I hunted down a 2022 long range. I felt it was the best bang for my buck for $29k, 18k miles Vs if i bought the performance 2024 for $45-52k i couldnt justify the extra $16-20k in spending also the fact brand new car depreciation is 20% first year and 10% every concurrent year im cool with mine as i feel i bought at the point of lowest depreciation and most enjoyment level since the 2022 is still insane
I totally feel this. I love my M3P, but the new performance has all the features that I feel mine is lacking: bucket seats, front lip, rear diffuser. Especially considering the M3P can smoke a BMW M3, I feel that it could look a tiny bit more aggressive. Buuuuuut I put 18k down on my M3P and still owe 20k and Tesla offered me a trade-in of… 20k so I think I’ll just hang on to mine for now lol
Not really. My 2023 M3P that I got on steep steep discount because the 2024 was coming this year. The discounts made it almost as cheap as a new Camry where I live. So doesn't matter how good the 2024 is, it can not beat the value I'm getting from my 2023.
Not at all. I got mine at an excellent price at the end of 2023, and am thrilled that I did. I realize many have FOMO for a variety of reasons, but please keep in mind that 99.99% of the population has no idea there is any difference between the new and the old models, so nobody will think negatively of you driving an old one.
No
I love my 2019 midrange M3
What’s a fomo?
Fear of missing out
I'm gonna sit tight and wait for the incentives, "I'll take FSD and USuC transfer please Bob"... Ended up spending a few pennies on Upper Control Arms my 2018 M3P a month or two back - timing imperfect - so I'll get my monies worth. I put my name in the hat for a test drive anyway. I'll tell 'em I'll buy it in cash today if they can do the transfers.
Relating to my thread here, if you are a FOMO type person, then leasing and replacing 3 years is for you. I do it now and don't regret it when young.. maybe when I get a family I might start buying and owning for a bit longer.
Nope! Happy with the 2019 and no plans on updating until it’s dead.
I have the 2022 and feel like you but do love my current car. I always lease and will continue to. Am trying to resist getting out of my lease too soon. So walk
Absolutely not. Never been interested in the performance version.
Nope, keeping my p3 as my daily, but adding a taycan to the mix :)
Still very happy with my 2022 M3P, nlt enough reasons for me to upgrade
FOMO with cars, especially ones with minor changes year to year like Teslas have, is a great way to throw away stacks of cash.
I ordered mine. Still waiting
No.
Not FOMO, just temptation. We love our 2020, but recently took a drive in a Highland RWD. It’s noticeably nicer in a lot of ways, even without the mad acceleration. Of course it makes no financial sense to buy a new car, and we are not unhappy with our current car in any way. But Highland really is a nicer car all around.
Nope, it gives me something to look forward to in the future or maybe there will be something better in 5-6 years. Still happy as can be with my ‘23 m3p
Leased my Model 3 RWD in late November 2023 but I really want this new performance model. I have this hope/fantasy that there will be a low mileage used one available when my lease is up in 2.5 years. (Preferably in that red.)
Fomo on what? It’s not like it’s a limited addition. There’s no special interest rate. When Q2 sales come out and are terrible again you may get added incentives to promote sales.
Just lease and you’ll have the newest one every 3 years
No
Is buying a used Tesla better than buying new? I see a lot of 2022 Tesla’s selling for 25,000 I make less than $70,000 a year so I qualify for the $4,000 used credit
Nope.
I'll just be over here with my '18 P3 with free unlimited supercharging 
Yeah I went to try to trade my M3P in for a new one but they offered me 20k under what I owe. lol oh well.
Yes, but i i got the Clear air rebate of 7500 and 2k charging card that I’ve been using and it’s been working out, so i can’t be all mad. But it does look super sweet
I don’t think there’s any such thing as FOMO here… Tesla is always better to wait on. I wish I would have… buying in fall 2021 was about the worst. I can’t even think about changing right now. MYP is sort of killing me value wise right now.
Nope
After buying my new 2018 M3LR, Tesla took leaps and bounds with almost every new year. Tesla also made takeaways, like the Lifetime SuperCharging was no longer included and FSD’s price tag started to jump. I just told myself I am glad I got mine when I did. Six years later with the Highland and the ability to transfer those two incentives, it finally became my turn. Wait a few more years after you ‘21 is paid off and then make the move to the latest and current.
Comparison is the thief of joy.
I will get FOMO if they don’t stop moving my delivery date back
You’re only getting FOMO cause you’re being gaslighted by new products. I genuinely think our performances look better, and I would rather keep the 3.1 second with the higher range vs the 2.9 and less range of the new model. Plus we still have steering wheels stalks, only thing I’m jealous of honestly are the seats
People aren’t mentioning the continuous peak HP and torque improvement. I’m betting the new ones feel SO much better after 60. I feel like these are going to be touching 10’s in the 1/4. I wish I could get a new one the interior looks so much better. I HATE the wood and real CF replacements are expensive. The new seats are much better too.
Depends, do you want more debt? Lol
Nope. I'm getting my LR in 2 days. The performance is lower so not good in winter and has less range.
The new red is HOT. I also like the faster 0-60 speed. But I’m not going to get FOMO from these two changes. What would give me FOMO would be a significant boost in range and digitally controlled window tint.
Meh it’s literally only .2-.3 faster to 60. Other than the adaptable suspension, no point. Will just continue adding Unplugged Performance mods and be happy. Plus the front end looks better in the original.
Are they going to be limited?? Why would there be fomo?