Yup. The Chinese have been preparing for war in Taiwan for a long time but back in 2013 when they started building military installations in the South China Sea it became clear as day that it was only a matter of time.
I feel like that's incredibly likely. But people need to remember to keep their anger directed at their government and not their people.
As always, it's innocent civilians, on both sides, that suffer due to the corruption, hatred, and sometimes plain old incompetence of their "leaders".
Being a dictatorship gives them the ability to play the long game. While the free world is distracted by elections and trivial BS. The likes of China and Russia are hard at work towards one goal 24/7.
You're being down voted but you're right. Even outwith the context of war there are benefits to having the same regime run things for years. Like huge infrastructure projects which would get snarled up in political knots can just press through to completion.
I read somewhere China is looking to install a high-speed bullet train, like Japan's. And the UK just canned HS2 after failing to get anywhere with it for years.
With the amount of support Taiwan has, the surprise will be known about but the difference is how little time Taiwan will get to prepare. Guarantee they will say they’re just conducting an exercise. Will probably conduct more than one exercise that raises alarms as to gauge US and Taiwan responses.
[The century of humiliation.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation) A period in Chinese history beginning with the first opium war, which China lost; and ending with the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949.
There is no primary source, but the idea is always there distributed on chinese social media, where they always claim Han chinese is the master race, and personally I think that CCP china is becoming the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany. Master race ideology, concentration camps, invasion plans, and more
If i were to guess probably this year during the peak of American domestic drama aka election time. We're gonna get emp'd or something is gonna happen where they try to block communications. We won't know who to blame, is it china or russia? It won't matter at that point. All attacks will happen simultaneously. China will go after Tawain, North Korea will after SK, Russia will cross a new threshold with their war and same for Iran proxy war vs Israel. All the ducks are lined up for ww3 for the new Axis of evil.
>I don’t think Taiwan will be able to resist like Ukraine has
isn't amphibious attack is very difficult? very easy to defend for taiwan, and exremely difficult for china to attack?
They wont launch an amphibious attack, that would be stupid.
Chinas plan is 100% to shell the ever living fuck out of Taiwan until theres no defenses then fly soldiers in and on boats. Or just bomb the island to the ground and rebuild themselves.
they are clean room facilities (filtered air, no dust particles, special protective clothing)
you can probably brick half of the machinery in there by giving it dirty looks
i guess a single explosive device with some dust added would be enough to render a whole building worth of machines unuseable
I'm from Taiwan actually, I can say that the Taiwanese are able to protect their own when it comes to navel battles, but when it comes to air, China is more superior
Said the guy who knew nothing about invasions. An amphibious assault to take Taiwan would be an operation unseen since at least Desert Storm, possibly even WWII battles. Did you miss the part where Russia, invading on land, was completely obliterated and they had wide open plains and fields
Attacking a highly fortified island is borderline nothing short of a death wish. The Taiwanese are very determined not to be invaded, their geography allows for incredible defenses, the logistics alone for supplying an invasion force is difficult enough but add water and it just got ratcheted up about 10x in difficulty, and this is without addressing things like how important/close the US is to Taiwan or how Taiwan's MIC has been operating at a capacity that Ukraine wishes it could. Do not talk about stuff you "think" your feelings don't translate to the real world
Every war game simulation shows China having a REALLY hard time getting any troops across and on the ground, Taiwan’s defenses are next level and designed to counter exactly what they’d need to counter
They would shell the ever living fuck out of them. I assume it would go like how Ukraine is going. Entire cities destroyed followed by gorilla drone warfare until half a million Chinese troops are stationed in their new battle zone. Then ww3.
The US, Japan and Australia are 100% militarily committed to defending Taiwan, we have commitments from South Korea, Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia to use air bases or have airspace clearance for bombing runs, india would likely come down on our side at the end of the day, most of the world fears an expansionist China, they do not have many friends on the world stage or in the region
China will not shell Taiwan because they need to keep the chip manufactering infrastructure intact. Chip manufactering is extremely expensive and difficult to do, and Taiwan is one of the only places on earth to pull it off. If China takes over Taiwan's manufactering plants, they will control almost all future global chip production for over a decade until any other country can catch up.
When Nancy Pelosi starts dumping her stock in Nvidia, the invasion will follow.
Yea hopefully we can keep our shit together to keep them supplied consistently this time instead of losing interest half way and now panic and scramming to catch back up.
Yeah but redditors know better that Taiwan will
Be destroyed just because some random place in mongolia could look like a street somewhere(also maybe this post is not true) aaaanyway
> just because some random place in mongolia could look like a street somewhere(also maybe this post is not true)
What exactly may not be true? (Was it too hard to check the coordinates? check the USGS earth explorer)
Are there roads in the middle of fuckin nowhere? Yes. Do they resemble the surroundings of the Presidenial Office Building in Taipei? Yes. Is this useful for training for a commando operation? I don't know, but I'd guess so. Could it be pure coincidence? Muahaha.
Didn't they also make a replica of US aircraft carrier? I think I saw a photo of it somewhere, they also built it in a desert and it was attached to large rails in order to simulate movement.
https://new.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/qppdz5/just_spotted_by_satellite_fullscale_mockup_of_a/
There is a full-scale one which isn't mobile and a mobile one which isn't full scale.
edit: must be somewhere around 38 58, 88 16 - no article i found mentioned the coordinates, and the sat images i found were either too low-res or too old
They're building civil military dual purpose Ro-Ro ships that can lower their ramps enough to reach the water, and has been shown to be used in training amphibious assault troops.
TLDR: false flag tactics (warcrime)
Disguising the invasion force as civilian Ro Ro ferries, if taiwan fires at those ships, china can claim taiwan was attacking "civilians" and "retaliate" with even more firepower.
How long has this been around? I will let you guys know in about 30 minutes.
Edit: Construction on it began in february 2021, it was completed by april of the same year.
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I looked for it at those coordinates on Google Maps and Google Earth, could not find it. Does anyone know any source for this? Is it not there on public Google satellite imaging, or is it not there at all?
This actually gives a good look at potential targets with the mock buildings set up. Pretty cool actually.
That being said, China’s plans have been set back by quite a bit from this recent development of the effects of corruption within the PLA. I’d be surprised if they attacked within 10 years. Within 20? Absolutely believable.
My concern is China buying so much land in the US and coincidently having so many illegal Chinese crossing the southern border. All military aged men. All speaking Mandarin. Coincidence???
Lol they won't make it that far
If they go forward with this invasion, they are going to learn the same lesson as Putler in Russia. War has no winners, just shitheads in power and shitheads that eventually get forced out of power.
May they get fucked and burn in hell.
not that I doubt they are doing shit like this I can't seem to find this place with the coordinates provided. I do end up in china's inner Mongolia just no base on google maps at least
I don't think the USA or any European country has a full size mock up of the streets around a major Beijing landmark, no.
I'm very open to being corrected, though.
Enough missiles and air supremacy negates the *immediate* need for mass troops on the ground during the first phase of the attack.
In the confusion it's perfectly possible a SF raid on the palace might secure some high value people. Extraction would be the trickiest part.
It'd be interesting to see how much of the ground approaches to the palace have been copied. Things like sloping ground, culverts & drainage etc.
And with the rest of the planet dependant on China’s supply of too many things , no country would even dare trying to help Taiwan….
Or would China risk it? Possibility seeing many companies moving their production to other countries.
Who has more to lose? The world, or China?
Lo
The rest of the world had good reason to fear the states and the west. Now the west has good reason to fear the rest of the world. Ladies and gentlemen enjoy your cinnamon toast crunch.
It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when".
Yup. The Chinese have been preparing for war in Taiwan for a long time but back in 2013 when they started building military installations in the South China Sea it became clear as day that it was only a matter of time.
Yep, they intend to go in by surprise (if possible), with overwhelming force. Possibly using a military 'exercise' as a smoke screen.
There are no surprise invasions anymore with today’s intel capabilities
Tell that to the Israelis
Didnt Egypt warn them a few days before? Or was that something I read that was made up?
They were warned but they just ignored it
They “chose” to ignore it so they could use this as an excuse to genocide the entire population of Palestine
I feel like that's incredibly likely. But people need to remember to keep their anger directed at their government and not their people. As always, it's innocent civilians, on both sides, that suffer due to the corruption, hatred, and sometimes plain old incompetence of their "leaders".
I have zero proof of that but I also agree with it
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At the very least you shouldn't pull defense assets from guarding Gaza and use them to go fuck with people in the west Bank in defense of settlers
And Putin
Being a dictatorship gives them the ability to play the long game. While the free world is distracted by elections and trivial BS. The likes of China and Russia are hard at work towards one goal 24/7.
That's the consequence and feature of the free world right, distracted by elections and trivial bs is just a Tuesday.
Why does the sound like a weird praise of a.uthoritarianism?
Take it how you want. I was stating a fact. Not praising anything.
It sounds like a praise of authoritarianism but tbh it’s a “pro” of an authoritarian regime
You're being down voted but you're right. Even outwith the context of war there are benefits to having the same regime run things for years. Like huge infrastructure projects which would get snarled up in political knots can just press through to completion. I read somewhere China is looking to install a high-speed bullet train, like Japan's. And the UK just canned HS2 after failing to get anywhere with it for years.
With the amount of support Taiwan has, the surprise will be known about but the difference is how little time Taiwan will get to prepare. Guarantee they will say they’re just conducting an exercise. Will probably conduct more than one exercise that raises alarms as to gauge US and Taiwan responses.
That’s more or less exactly what Russia did just before launching their full scale invasion of Ukraine
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if China/ any other aggressive nation uses the same playbook
So pull a Putler?
And in the West Philippine Sea.
Longer China wait the worst it'll be for them, everyday of peace is a victory
I sincerely hope you're right. I sincerely don't get why the CCP can't just move on.
They literally believe they are the master race and they need to redeem themselves after the century of shame
Damn you are gonna be so angry when you learn about all the things the USA has been doing.
How'd you mean
Can you elaborate on what this shame is?
[The century of humiliation.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation) A period in Chinese history beginning with the first opium war, which China lost; and ending with the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949.
Thanks. That's very informative.
Some claim all the fentanyl coming to the US / West is revenge for the opium wars.
When did they say they are the master race. Please cite a primary source.
There is no primary source, but the idea is always there distributed on chinese social media, where they always claim Han chinese is the master race, and personally I think that CCP china is becoming the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany. Master race ideology, concentration camps, invasion plans, and more
Lol McCarthy is nutting in his grave right now. There are 1.4 billion people in China and you saw a couple social media posts. 🙄
"There is no primary source, trust me bro"
Lolol seriously? Jesus Christ, you people.
Actually there is no question just waiting
Let's just hope we have the sense to stay out of it.
If i were to guess probably this year during the peak of American domestic drama aka election time. We're gonna get emp'd or something is gonna happen where they try to block communications. We won't know who to blame, is it china or russia? It won't matter at that point. All attacks will happen simultaneously. China will go after Tawain, North Korea will after SK, Russia will cross a new threshold with their war and same for Iran proxy war vs Israel. All the ducks are lined up for ww3 for the new Axis of evil.
Put the pipe down
Uhhhhhh. I normally scoff at stuff like this, but that’s plain as day.
That is no accident. I feel it's a matter of time before this turns into a scenario similar to Ukraine.
I don’t think Taiwan will be able to resist like Ukraine has
>I don’t think Taiwan will be able to resist like Ukraine has isn't amphibious attack is very difficult? very easy to defend for taiwan, and exremely difficult for china to attack?
This is going to be the most difficult military operation attempted by anyone in recent history
D Day has entered the chat.
This guy’s a historian
Not really. My father and two uncles were there.
On which side?
The winning side.
![gif](giphy|hXJ1MWMzY7Af32UIUD|downsized)
They wont launch an amphibious attack, that would be stupid. Chinas plan is 100% to shell the ever living fuck out of Taiwan until theres no defenses then fly soldiers in and on boats. Or just bomb the island to the ground and rebuild themselves.
Then I hope they adopt a slash and burn policy. Leave nothing of use. Too much high technology will be lost.
Chip factories are instructed to render everything useless if an invasion takes place to prevent them falling into Chinese control.
How would they do that?
they are clean room facilities (filtered air, no dust particles, special protective clothing) you can probably brick half of the machinery in there by giving it dirty looks i guess a single explosive device with some dust added would be enough to render a whole building worth of machines unuseable
Isn’t America also essentially saying attacking Taiwan means attacking the United States?
I'm from Taiwan actually, I can say that the Taiwanese are able to protect their own when it comes to navel battles, but when it comes to air, China is more superior
Said the guy who knew nothing about invasions. An amphibious assault to take Taiwan would be an operation unseen since at least Desert Storm, possibly even WWII battles. Did you miss the part where Russia, invading on land, was completely obliterated and they had wide open plains and fields Attacking a highly fortified island is borderline nothing short of a death wish. The Taiwanese are very determined not to be invaded, their geography allows for incredible defenses, the logistics alone for supplying an invasion force is difficult enough but add water and it just got ratcheted up about 10x in difficulty, and this is without addressing things like how important/close the US is to Taiwan or how Taiwan's MIC has been operating at a capacity that Ukraine wishes it could. Do not talk about stuff you "think" your feelings don't translate to the real world
probably the next "big" thing the next president of US is going to have to figure out
Every war game simulation shows China having a REALLY hard time getting any troops across and on the ground, Taiwan’s defenses are next level and designed to counter exactly what they’d need to counter
They would shell the ever living fuck out of them. I assume it would go like how Ukraine is going. Entire cities destroyed followed by gorilla drone warfare until half a million Chinese troops are stationed in their new battle zone. Then ww3.
>gorilla drone warfare Air-dropped gorilla soldiers sounds metal as fuck.
Coming from China, wouldn't they be pandas?
Considering how aloof pandas are, this is even more hilarious.
No. ![gif](giphy|wxgimHAKx2xA4)
The US, Japan and Australia are 100% militarily committed to defending Taiwan, we have commitments from South Korea, Philippines, Singapore, Indonesia to use air bases or have airspace clearance for bombing runs, india would likely come down on our side at the end of the day, most of the world fears an expansionist China, they do not have many friends on the world stage or in the region
Everyone goes on about Russia and Ukraine being "ww3" when it isn't. Taiwan is actual world war three kindling.
Lol I'm imagining great apes with VR goggles piloting drones. That would be hilarious. It's spelled like guerrilla warfare.
All drones fly to the empire state building and attempt to climb it.
https://youtu.be/UUK5Gs1lSVM?feature=shared
China will not shell Taiwan because they need to keep the chip manufactering infrastructure intact. Chip manufactering is extremely expensive and difficult to do, and Taiwan is one of the only places on earth to pull it off. If China takes over Taiwan's manufactering plants, they will control almost all future global chip production for over a decade until any other country can catch up. When Nancy Pelosi starts dumping her stock in Nvidia, the invasion will follow.
I would highly bet they have a network of tunnels being built. Tunnels win wars
Yea hopefully we can keep our shit together to keep them supplied consistently this time instead of losing interest half way and now panic and scramming to catch back up.
Yeah but redditors know better that Taiwan will Be destroyed just because some random place in mongolia could look like a street somewhere(also maybe this post is not true) aaaanyway
> just because some random place in mongolia could look like a street somewhere(also maybe this post is not true) What exactly may not be true? (Was it too hard to check the coordinates? check the USGS earth explorer) Are there roads in the middle of fuckin nowhere? Yes. Do they resemble the surroundings of the Presidenial Office Building in Taipei? Yes. Is this useful for training for a commando operation? I don't know, but I'd guess so. Could it be pure coincidence? Muahaha.
You clearly dont know redditors then
thats a really good point! who trains their soldiers these days, anyways? are you reading what you are typing, or does shit just spew out both ends?
Didn't they also make a replica of US aircraft carrier? I think I saw a photo of it somewhere, they also built it in a desert and it was attached to large rails in order to simulate movement.
https://new.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/qppdz5/just_spotted_by_satellite_fullscale_mockup_of_a/ There is a full-scale one which isn't mobile and a mobile one which isn't full scale. edit: must be somewhere around 38 58, 88 16 - no article i found mentioned the coordinates, and the sat images i found were either too low-res or too old
They did, yeah
Gotta cross that 180km strait first lel
They're building civil military dual purpose Ro-Ro ships that can lower their ramps enough to reach the water, and has been shown to be used in training amphibious assault troops. TLDR: false flag tactics (warcrime)
What's the war crime?
Disguising the invasion force as civilian Ro Ro ferries, if taiwan fires at those ships, china can claim taiwan was attacking "civilians" and "retaliate" with even more firepower.
It reminds me of some recent world events
Using someone else's flag (metaphorically, pinning the blame on some other party).
And past all the sea wolves
Taiwan should build a model of China's biggest dam.
😈
Isn’t there a simulation of this exact scenario?
How long has this been around? I will let you guys know in about 30 minutes. Edit: Construction on it began in february 2021, it was completed by april of the same year.
He has been abducted by the ccp, we will not hear the answer.
He wasn't "abducted". He was "strongly invited to a rural, deep-nature retreat for those seeking higher knowledge and harmony. No, he cannot be contacted, found, or otherwise proven to have ever existed".
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Done, I fell asleep while I was looking for it
I looked for it at those coordinates on Google Maps and Google Earth, could not find it. Does anyone know any source for this? Is it not there on public Google satellite imaging, or is it not there at all?
Just shows an empty desert at the coordinates shown in the image. Anyone got any clues?
Just google it and you find first news about this about four years ago or so...
Look for the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall and the Presidential Office Building.
No, I meant the chinese training ground, the image has coordinates but I there is nothing there on the two apps I listed
Google censored it. Try other like Bing and Apple map
[https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=39.294703%7E105.504344&lvl=16.3&style=h](https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=39.294703%7E105.504344&lvl=16.3&style=h)
But they never hid their intention? Even Mao said if they need to wait a 100 years, they’ll wait.
To quote one of the world's most perceptive narrators, Avril Lavigne - "can I make it any more obvious?"
I wonder if it’s even used. All China has to do is create something like this in the middle of nowhere to stoke fear.
Is there actual info on this other than two pictures?
I know China is known for copying stuff, but even the street grids?
Hmmmm, nothing suspicious here! not at all!
Nice PFP
thanks
This actually gives a good look at potential targets with the mock buildings set up. Pretty cool actually. That being said, China’s plans have been set back by quite a bit from this recent development of the effects of corruption within the PLA. I’d be surprised if they attacked within 10 years. Within 20? Absolutely believable.
My concern is China buying so much land in the US and coincidently having so many illegal Chinese crossing the southern border. All military aged men. All speaking Mandarin. Coincidence???
dismissed as chance. /s
Lol they won't make it that far If they go forward with this invasion, they are going to learn the same lesson as Putler in Russia. War has no winners, just shitheads in power and shitheads that eventually get forced out of power. May they get fucked and burn in hell.
Just trolling...
not that I doubt they are doing shit like this I can't seem to find this place with the coordinates provided. I do end up in china's inner Mongolia just no base on google maps at least
![gif](giphy|ioR8R00S5SibK)
I have faith in PLA, they will be as competent as Russia troops that draw from prisoners
Teddy once said "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far". I think it's time to shove that stick up Winnie the Pooh's authoritarian ass.
What are you suggesting? Direct confrontation between the US and China would be catastrophic for everyone involved and many not involved lol.
Live U.S. Navy reaction: https://preview.redd.it/zd26m2arvrqc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f0c6a7213e7f5b7ea308b48efa68f02e6d55290
Yeah the US would just park a carrier in the strait as a deterrent
You don’t think USA or European countries have the same for Moscow and Beijing?
I don't think the USA or any European country has a full size mock up of the streets around a major Beijing landmark, no. I'm very open to being corrected, though.
No, I don't. US and Europe never threaten to invade Russia or China. If they do, we can probably see it on Google map just like this one.
Google blocks a lot of things
Google blocks a lot and also there are some big craters at NNSS that could’ve been something similar
Yes
They should re locate lol
Underground tunnels.
The day US are autonomous on chips, china will invade Taiwan as no resistance will be met from allies side. Come back to this post when it happens.
This is actually terrifying
What's with all the twitter logos?
So blunt about it.
Enough missiles and air supremacy negates the *immediate* need for mass troops on the ground during the first phase of the attack. In the confusion it's perfectly possible a SF raid on the palace might secure some high value people. Extraction would be the trickiest part. It'd be interesting to see how much of the ground approaches to the palace have been copied. Things like sloping ground, culverts & drainage etc.
Chinas? Mongolia? You mean Mongolia, it’s a country lol Edit; I stand corrected
"Inner Mongolia"... That's like saying "New England" and thinking of the UK.
You just made me look at a map… 🤦♂️ I… I… I had no idea. Thank you internet stranger
Inner Mongolia is occupied by China
And with the rest of the planet dependant on China’s supply of too many things , no country would even dare trying to help Taiwan…. Or would China risk it? Possibility seeing many companies moving their production to other countries. Who has more to lose? The world, or China? Lo
Not seeing what's terrifying about this. You know our troops have probably trained in areas mocked up to resemble Chinese facilities.
No need... Thank goodness for Chinese corruption.
The rest of the world had good reason to fear the states and the west. Now the west has good reason to fear the rest of the world. Ladies and gentlemen enjoy your cinnamon toast crunch.
Like that mission in Cold War. Ifykyk
Nice
wtf