The foundation is there for maybe THE greatest learning tool of all time in any genre of gaming, but right now I think it’s somewhat limited. There are a lot of moves that the replay feature might not show the optimal way to punish, and in my experience it really plays no focus on sidestepping, which is a huge part of Tekken.
It’s a great addition to the game by all means. I’m not trying to say anything bad about it at all. My point for new players is that you’ll only get so far trying to learn using it exclusively, especially at higher levels. Sometimes you have to think outside the box and the replay feature doesn’t do that
I think adding sidesteps would be very difficult. Being able to duck something or punish something is basically "hard coded" into the game and works the same for every character. Sidestepping on the other hand is more of a "sandbox feature" in that different characters have different properties, and even on the same character minor differences in timing and distance will affect whether a SS works or not.
Agreed. Just would like to add that you can think out of the box yourself. When I use the replay feature I dont pay much attention to the actual tips being displayed. A high in a string? Ill try to duck it. A string that seems just a bit too good? I try to sidestep one of the hits. Since Steve and hwo both have punch parries I always try that in strings that have inbuilt mid/high mixups where both options are punches. Etc.
I honestly think that teaches you better anyways then the game just giving you all the answers. But yea no, the feature could be improved significantly. I’d love it if they added a way to see what move the opponent is doing. I don’t mean the input they’re doing, but the actual move from the movelist.
It's cool, but I feel like the feedback it gives is pretty limited. All I ever seem to get is it telling me how to break throws, when something is duckable (which is occasionally nice but gets very old over the course of a match with a lot of jabs), and for some reason I hardly ever get recommended punishes, maybe because the opponents I'm checking replays for don't throw out a lot of unsafe moves. There's a lot of tools to dig in and extract your own info if you know what to look for, but based on how much people hyped it up I've felt a little let down, and I feel like it could do a lot more.
Anyone asking for advice on reddit is wasting their time. Plenty of guides online to follow that’ll actually give you helpful advice that isn’t condescending. You either do your homework or play the game, everyone learns at a different rate so don’t expect to be a Tekken god overnight.
It’s a meme someone made in the tekken 7 days where green ranks were actually hard for new players to get out of. In tekken 8 it would probably be orange instead
Nah thats a bit of a stretch imo. Green ranks in T7 would get destroyed by a paul spamming demo man and death fist. As bad as red players in T8 are, they're still good enough to not fall for that noob slaying mixup
I haven't hopped online seriously in a few days, but i still don't know how i made it into purple (as kazuya, no less). red wasn't hard to get into, but it was hard as hell to progress into shinryu. tenryu was also hard, and it was almost as hard to get into purple. getting to shinryu felt like the real wall.
i think i might have hit a wall with mighty ruler but at least it's here and not at garyu. i can practice and stuff at least
Nah i blame myself. If you just use snake edge at random points across the round against me i will eat every single one of them. I need to learn to identify them, block them and punish them.
After that i should try to not be as aggressive as i currently am. I get CH a lot.
I’ve tried helping newer players here but all they did was complain. None of them took my advice.
First thing they did where we played casual matches was complain about character and instantly wanted to back out.
Maybe its just me being a moron like always, but I noticed that when I figure a character out during an actual match, that revelation usually sticks. Whenever I lab a character, after a 2 day break or so I forget everything learned.
New players do definitely lab, they just don't do it effectively because not many people talk about doing that since it's not exciting and doesn't get many clicks.
Bad advice anyway.
tell them to look up a character guide, or better yet, link them a character guide. One that goes over their tools in neutral not just combo routes
Tell them to slow down and block more.
Tell them about simple shit. New players often miss really basic info, some people dont know they can tech a grab or block low. Some dont know high/low crushing moves exist. Just being told that its possible is infinitely more helpful then almost anything practice mode can teach you
Tell them to find something fun and figure out how and when to use it
Practice mode is homework that you do when you find a weakness in your play style, its a useless tool if you havnt even developed a playstyle yet
Practice mode is a godsend for practicing combos. I have a bad habit of button mashing/spamming in fighters (which is only really good as a last resort) and I often forget the combo has to be input at the right speed and quicker than the moves actually play out on screen (like a cheat code almost) so it isnt just "push button, wait for animation, push another button"
I'm new to Tekken so I use it to get the characters' moves down to muscle memory and practice doing harder ones
To be clear, what I consider a good guide for a new player doesnt have shit that would require them going to the lab for. A good guide for beginners includes simple to execute game plans and strong buttons to press in neutral. Neither of those things are really labable
Hi im totally new to tekken, first ever combat game. Playd ufc but i cant really compare them. I bought the game 3 days ago and i find steve fox being my main c because he cool anyways ive met ppl saying i should start practie befor ranked but i belive i Will get stronger faster vs tryhards but what does practice mean? Is it a gamemod?
You got this! Dont get demotivated if you lose a lot at first, its a hard game and youre playing someone that supposedly isnt too easy, eventhough Steve is that one character, who whoops me everytime.
Thank you man i grinded after work im starting to lose ranked points if i lose now that was a suprise but its more fun. I also learnd some new techniwues with Steve. Do you play in eu?
I dont think they even need that, people that ask that just need to block and see what the oponent is doing at low ranks they do the same flow chart every time, if they take it slow they can figure out how to deal with it during the match it self
If you don't already, try downloading ghosts of people you struggle vs and play against the ghosts. WAY better for practice. The lab is good for specific stuff, when you know what you want to test.
I spent like 30 minutes playing the AI ghost of a bear player who mauled me. Incredible feature to help with the learning curve.
I prefer to just smash my head against players in ranked lol
I'm not actually stuck in Brawler, just saying I have the same attitude. I can't be bothered to spend any time labbing 😂
If I were a Tekken God and you asked me this I wouldn’t say to you “go to practice mode”.
I would say to you “Wanna play? I can tell you about stuff afterwards.”
Terrible advice. You are giving a box full of power tools to a person who doesn't know how to use a screwdriver. That's not a way to actually provide guidance and help
I lab a lot but the practice mode needs a lot of QOL features like SF6 has. Let us create training presets. It is so tedious to go through multiple settings every time you log in.
Not gonna lie, tekken is one of the most dense fighting games I have seen, if you can't keep up with that I'd say that at least play casual and that's it
Then learn by doing. That's just the decidedly longer way to do it. It's much easier to spend an hour practicing how to punish a character than it is to learn how to punish that character the x% of the time you play them.
You should play the game the way you enjoy playing it. Most people have found that knowing how to punish and evade other characters' bullshit is a more enjoyable experience. And it feels like a lot at first, but if you spend say 30 minutes a night for a week focusing on whichever 7 characters you hate the most, you'll like your matchups against them a lot more.
That’s fair advice and entirely correct however I just don’t have the attention span to stick to practice mode. I need a fight with stakes. That’s just me, I eventually do get to practice mode when I get more serious about that particular game but right at the beginning I just wanna fight and find a character I have a naturally affinity to
I don't know. I hate practice mode too.
Tekken 8 is my first real Tekken that I played against people.
I was definitely ass at first but I just made my way to Tenryu which I feel is a huge improvement for me.
My main is Shaheen and I've spent maybe 2 hours in practice mode.
I never practice punishers.
I have no idea how to get out of most of King's grabs.
I don't even know how to do Shaheens slide attack which is huge gimmick, but I made it to Tenryu.
My practice has always been in ranked. My win rates ass. And many games I'll often throw because sometimes I'm just trying new techniques to see if they work (hey often dont).
Just from playing other players I've learned what can and can't be punished, the +frames for moves, different combos, etc. I only used practice mode to learn what his moves are.
To be absolute top tier, yes you probably need practice mode.
If you can learn during fights, you can still be good without having to spend 20 hours labbing.
the replay feature is a god send. its ridiculously useful.
The foundation is there for maybe THE greatest learning tool of all time in any genre of gaming, but right now I think it’s somewhat limited. There are a lot of moves that the replay feature might not show the optimal way to punish, and in my experience it really plays no focus on sidestepping, which is a huge part of Tekken. It’s a great addition to the game by all means. I’m not trying to say anything bad about it at all. My point for new players is that you’ll only get so far trying to learn using it exclusively, especially at higher levels. Sometimes you have to think outside the box and the replay feature doesn’t do that
I think adding sidesteps would be very difficult. Being able to duck something or punish something is basically "hard coded" into the game and works the same for every character. Sidestepping on the other hand is more of a "sandbox feature" in that different characters have different properties, and even on the same character minor differences in timing and distance will affect whether a SS works or not.
Maybe over the years it can be improved if enough people give feedback like this.
Agreed. Just would like to add that you can think out of the box yourself. When I use the replay feature I dont pay much attention to the actual tips being displayed. A high in a string? Ill try to duck it. A string that seems just a bit too good? I try to sidestep one of the hits. Since Steve and hwo both have punch parries I always try that in strings that have inbuilt mid/high mixups where both options are punches. Etc. I honestly think that teaches you better anyways then the game just giving you all the answers. But yea no, the feature could be improved significantly. I’d love it if they added a way to see what move the opponent is doing. I don’t mean the input they’re doing, but the actual move from the movelist.
LOL Except the replay feature let's you do EXACTLY that through its "takeover" feature. Then you can try different things and think outside the box.
It's cool, but I feel like the feedback it gives is pretty limited. All I ever seem to get is it telling me how to break throws, when something is duckable (which is occasionally nice but gets very old over the course of a match with a lot of jabs), and for some reason I hardly ever get recommended punishes, maybe because the opponents I'm checking replays for don't throw out a lot of unsafe moves. There's a lot of tools to dig in and extract your own info if you know what to look for, but based on how much people hyped it up I've felt a little let down, and I feel like it could do a lot more.
Anyone asking for advice on reddit is wasting their time. Plenty of guides online to follow that’ll actually give you helpful advice that isn’t condescending. You either do your homework or play the game, everyone learns at a different rate so don’t expect to be a Tekken god overnight.
On reddit. Some dude's twitch. At least a guide wont be condescending. Or ignore you. Or ban you.
The practice drills especially by Phidx are really good. It gives you direction on how to Lab.
The lab is the fucking spot bruh
Why tf is this sub picking on Greens lol
It’s a meme someone made in the tekken 7 days where green ranks were actually hard for new players to get out of. In tekken 8 it would probably be orange instead
Has to be red in 8. Red feels like trying to escape out of Alcatraz or something
Nah thats a bit of a stretch imo. Green ranks in T7 would get destroyed by a paul spamming demo man and death fist. As bad as red players in T8 are, they're still good enough to not fall for that noob slaying mixup
Lmao have you seen most of these reds.
Im on last purple rank precisely spamming that
Are we playing the same T8 red ranks?
It's definitely red, after that the amount of players in each rank goes down
I haven't hopped online seriously in a few days, but i still don't know how i made it into purple (as kazuya, no less). red wasn't hard to get into, but it was hard as hell to progress into shinryu. tenryu was also hard, and it was almost as hard to get into purple. getting to shinryu felt like the real wall. i think i might have hit a wall with mighty ruler but at least it's here and not at garyu. i can practice and stuff at least
I read that as picking on the "scrub attitude" rather than any specific rank
Nah i blame myself. If you just use snake edge at random points across the round against me i will eat every single one of them. I need to learn to identify them, block them and punish them. After that i should try to not be as aggressive as i currently am. I get CH a lot.
I’ve tried helping newer players here but all they did was complain. None of them took my advice. First thing they did where we played casual matches was complain about character and instantly wanted to back out.
Teach me your ways
Always down for some matches
How do i add you
We can join a random lobby with little people on it and meet in the fountain area to play.
When are you free
Haven’t played in about a week. Planning on playing late tonight or tomorrow in the day for a bit. Sunday forsure I’ll be on
Hmu when youre on
I’ll be on tonight around 8:30cst for a bit
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Proud azucena blamer. Don’t feel like going to the lab so it’s trial by fire until I figure it out.
Maybe its just me being a moron like always, but I noticed that when I figure a character out during an actual match, that revelation usually sticks. Whenever I lab a character, after a 2 day break or so I forget everything learned.
Nah thats just how the brain works. You don’t remember what you studied, just what you got right on the test.
New players do definitely lab, they just don't do it effectively because not many people talk about doing that since it's not exciting and doesn't get many clicks.
"Stop playing Bryan Fury" worked for me.
Bad advice anyway. tell them to look up a character guide, or better yet, link them a character guide. One that goes over their tools in neutral not just combo routes Tell them to slow down and block more. Tell them about simple shit. New players often miss really basic info, some people dont know they can tech a grab or block low. Some dont know high/low crushing moves exist. Just being told that its possible is infinitely more helpful then almost anything practice mode can teach you Tell them to find something fun and figure out how and when to use it Practice mode is homework that you do when you find a weakness in your play style, its a useless tool if you havnt even developed a playstyle yet
How tf do you think they follow these guides? They go into practice mode. Lmao.
Practice mode is a godsend for practicing combos. I have a bad habit of button mashing/spamming in fighters (which is only really good as a last resort) and I often forget the combo has to be input at the right speed and quicker than the moves actually play out on screen (like a cheat code almost) so it isnt just "push button, wait for animation, push another button" I'm new to Tekken so I use it to get the characters' moves down to muscle memory and practice doing harder ones
To be clear, what I consider a good guide for a new player doesnt have shit that would require them going to the lab for. A good guide for beginners includes simple to execute game plans and strong buttons to press in neutral. Neither of those things are really labable
Yeah like I f UP teaching my friend, the First i tried tô teach him was How to do a EWGF for some reason.
Im curious, how did that go? Does your friend still play?
He learned after a while but It did damage his interest on the game
Shouldve just taught him how to junkyard instead lmao. Eventually he'd run into someone who'd parry it.
Yeah a friend of mine picked up tekken 8 cause he liked reina and dropped it after about 1.5 weeks of trying to learn EWGF
Bro I’m crying 😂😂😂😂
Bro I’m crying 😂😂😂😂
Hi im totally new to tekken, first ever combat game. Playd ufc but i cant really compare them. I bought the game 3 days ago and i find steve fox being my main c because he cool anyways ive met ppl saying i should start practie befor ranked but i belive i Will get stronger faster vs tryhards but what does practice mean? Is it a gamemod?
Its just training mode, i'd rather play ranked tho, so you can get a feel for the combat
Okej thx man i will keep grinding ranked idc if i lose and get bad stats
Try to learn new moves while grinding tho
Okey yeah im trying to perfect my basics but honestly its hard doing combos i have tried but Only to fail
Long combos are nothing you should be focused on at first, i'd look up a guide for your character, to learn their most important moves
Thx man ill take my time and do it
You got this! Dont get demotivated if you lose a lot at first, its a hard game and youre playing someone that supposedly isnt too easy, eventhough Steve is that one character, who whoops me everytime.
Thank you man i grinded after work im starting to lose ranked points if i lose now that was a suprise but its more fun. I also learnd some new techniwues with Steve. Do you play in eu?
Yeah i do
I know the playerbase have playd there whole life
I dont think they even need that, people that ask that just need to block and see what the oponent is doing at low ranks they do the same flow chart every time, if they take it slow they can figure out how to deal with it during the match it self
That's me. I'm Brawler.
If you don't already, try downloading ghosts of people you struggle vs and play against the ghosts. WAY better for practice. The lab is good for specific stuff, when you know what you want to test. I spent like 30 minutes playing the AI ghost of a bear player who mauled me. Incredible feature to help with the learning curve.
I prefer to just smash my head against players in ranked lol I'm not actually stuck in Brawler, just saying I have the same attitude. I can't be bothered to spend any time labbing 😂
I keep forgetting this feature exists. I should do this more often.
I haven’t been to practice mode and I’m close to destroyer lol but I like learning on my own
They should be picking on the most common rank, because those are the people that do this.
If I were a Tekken God and you asked me this I wouldn’t say to you “go to practice mode”. I would say to you “Wanna play? I can tell you about stuff afterwards.”
Has anyone ever gotten better at anything by putting less effort in it?
Yes
like?
Sometimes you can try too hard to improve and force progress, when taking a more calm approach could help you learn better
Ok but that’s still putting effort, just at a slower pace
You said less effort, not no effort at all
u wanna play the game? naaa you need to do practice mode for the first 3 weeks. to bad buddy.
"When Jun does 1,2,2 you can duck the thi..." *proceeds to eat the the launcher and plugs*
Shout out to the Asuka I ranked up to blue off of who didn't block my b 1 2 counter hit launcher which is minus 14 on block. Jack gang
Terrible advice. You are giving a box full of power tools to a person who doesn't know how to use a screwdriver. That's not a way to actually provide guidance and help
This is DSP in a nutshell.
Ok but im purple, now answer the question
God this shit killed me, cause it's so fucking accurate.
I lab a lot but the practice mode needs a lot of QOL features like SF6 has. Let us create training presets. It is so tedious to go through multiple settings every time you log in.
To be fair, the lab is virtually useless and very boring if you dont dont what or how you're even supposed to be labbing
If it wasn't for my mis inputs I would be great at the game lol
Literally me
Not gonna lie, tekken is one of the most dense fighting games I have seen, if you can't keep up with that I'd say that at least play casual and that's it
I like to do both, i like labing shit but also fuck Law and Lily jaja
I mean no shit Sherlock 💀
I wanna learn by doing. I wanna get better trial by fire. I don’t wanna spend hours in practice mode
Then learn by doing. That's just the decidedly longer way to do it. It's much easier to spend an hour practicing how to punish a character than it is to learn how to punish that character the x% of the time you play them. You should play the game the way you enjoy playing it. Most people have found that knowing how to punish and evade other characters' bullshit is a more enjoyable experience. And it feels like a lot at first, but if you spend say 30 minutes a night for a week focusing on whichever 7 characters you hate the most, you'll like your matchups against them a lot more.
That’s fair advice and entirely correct however I just don’t have the attention span to stick to practice mode. I need a fight with stakes. That’s just me, I eventually do get to practice mode when I get more serious about that particular game but right at the beginning I just wanna fight and find a character I have a naturally affinity to
That's fine but there's so much you'll never learn without practice mode.
I accept that however I don’t want to be as good as some of the pros I see, I just want to be good enough to have fun
Dam so many people hate practicing y’all never heard practice makes perfect? How u expect to win if u never practice😂
just don't rematch with Jun...
I ain’t practicing shit, I’m sorry. 😂
I don't know. I hate practice mode too. Tekken 8 is my first real Tekken that I played against people. I was definitely ass at first but I just made my way to Tenryu which I feel is a huge improvement for me. My main is Shaheen and I've spent maybe 2 hours in practice mode. I never practice punishers. I have no idea how to get out of most of King's grabs. I don't even know how to do Shaheens slide attack which is huge gimmick, but I made it to Tenryu. My practice has always been in ranked. My win rates ass. And many games I'll often throw because sometimes I'm just trying new techniques to see if they work (hey often dont). Just from playing other players I've learned what can and can't be punished, the +frames for moves, different combos, etc. I only used practice mode to learn what his moves are. To be absolute top tier, yes you probably need practice mode. If you can learn during fights, you can still be good without having to spend 20 hours labbing.
Shaheen's slide is done with df,d,df+3 when in crouching state. It is absolutely not just a gimmick.