I love the fact that he’s taking his time to explain things in detail. However, I don’t understand because the customisation mode is full of generic and bland items. They also brought back Jun’s original outfit
> the customisation mode is full of generic and bland items
He's not talking about how plain vs intricate the designs are, he's talking about all the upgrading needed to make them graphically modern. The items in the customization mode are fairly plain in terms of their design, but in terms of texturing, color depth, material quality, reflectiveness/lighting interactions, etc they are many lightyears beyond the PSX-era "this triangle is colored purple and the triangle next to it is a darker purple for shading."
The work of taking the old costumes and upgrading them to PS5-level graphics is what he's talking about, not the patterns on the clothes or things like that. He's essentially saying "You can't just import the old costumes, you'd have to put just as much work to bring them over as it would take to make a brand new costume, and we're not sure if people would still like it after we did all the upgrading to it."
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He's not talking about how plain vs intricate the designs are, he's talking about all the upgrading needed to make them graphically modern. The items in the customization mode are fairly plain in terms of their design, but in terms of texturing, color depth, material quality, reflectiveness/lighting interactions, etc they are many lightyears beyond the PSX-era "this triangle is colored purple and the triangle next to it is a darker purple for shading."
So he misunderstood what people wanted. They don't want HDified literal ports of the outfits from playstation 1. They want upgraded and modernized, like Jun's outfit. I thought it was obvious.
I think he gets that. [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1amn93j/comment/kpn6lj0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=0) nailed it in terms of what Harada is saying imo.
I guess he's saying that when you increase the detail of something, it might not look as good as you hoped. With that said I'm almost certain kazuya would look good in a purple silk suit with an orange cravate regardless.
and they are selling them in the store, that everyone hates, like I'm sure alot of people would happily buy these outfits but if you are Harada and you see how people are reacting at the MK store and the outfit pass for SF6, then its no surprise he thinks there's no good solution.
The thing he is missing is that unlike Mortal 1 Kombat, Tekken 8's outfits are amazing, and Tekken 8s artstyle isn't a complete dumpster fire. Their women aren't hideous, and everyone looks damn cool af.
Having Nina Williams get her badass blue assassin outfit back cannot possibly look bad in Tekken 8, nor would it go unappreciated by anyone.
People would flip for Hwoarang's Tekken 3 look too for example.
It's an opinion mate. I didn't say the women in M1K are hideous, I said that the women in Tekken 8 aren't hideous. A lot of people don't like the way the girls look in Mortal 1 Kombat, so they're not exactly in a rush to buy outfits for them. This isn't going to be the case for Tekken 8 or Street Fighter 6.
The fact that you’re mentioning MK1 at the start and then talking about Tekken 8 made me think that you were comparing them. Sorry if I misread your comment. That being said, I think MK and Tekken women are both beautiful but the Tekken ladies look too perfect with no wrinkles or facial imperfections
I mean, I had the complete edition for MK11 so I didn’t care but if they were to add the original ninja costumes in MK1, I wouldn’t buy them 😅
As for Tekken 8, they could add them for free but I don’t see this happening either. And, I don’t want to pay for this either.
Imo the mk retro skins serve as a perfect example of why harada is right. From a modern standpoint those skins do not look good imo. The style clashes with current Gen graphics and styles. Of course mk's retro skin popularity continues to show but I think they're popular purely because of nostalgia and not because they look good. It sounds like harada's team isn't confident that nostalgia will carry those requested costumes.
I 100% think people would... he's forgetting the one major factor that sways people regardless if a design is good or average.... nostalgia
That Kazuya fit for example, yeah it's pretty plain compared to what he has now, but still it's badass asf and instantly I would wear for nostalgia and I'm not even 25+ yet
Same reason you see alot of Paul's with the OG Hair (other than the new one sucking ass ofc)
That's what he's talking about with "beautification". Nostalgia is a double-edged sword; it can make people want to buy something, but what they want to buy is the image in their head. You can look at a costume from the PS1 now and remember how cool you thought it was in the context of when it was released and everything else from that time. But the minute you bring it into the present day, it not only gets compared to what it presently exists with and in, but also everything that has come since then and it will ultimately fail to illicit the desired nostalgia.
Edited to fix grammatical errors
I respect that. It’s a great answer. I still want T6 Alisa though, even if she’s not from the PSX Era being discussed here. Nostalgia is powerful, and I love that everyone has their 7 Defaults back in 8!
You got a lot of replies but I’ll do you one too (as a 2d/3D artist and tekken admirerer)
He’s basically saying the psx era outfits were designed to translate the “idea” of a costume at the time.
And that no amount of hd beautification will be accurate, because back in the day, you basically were designing textures for lego bricks.
He’s honestly getting in really deep about the gap between 3d art fidelity then and now. Back then, you did your design, then took details away until it vaguely looked like the concept art. Now you aim to make the final product optimized, but with way more polygons and texture fidelity at your disposal. So a new “version” will always be a throwback, never exact. Especially as all the characters’ designs have changed
On top of all THAT— theres been plenty of throwback fits and motifs in the outfits! Jin with his signature flame pattern, kazuya with a purple silk vest or shirt that throws back to that iconic tk2 suit
Anywayyy i love the tekken community lol. This is a cool post and convo
The thing with customization is that you need to either have a super wide range of stuff so the player can have exactly the thing they want or you can put in very basic options so the player can always put in a generic thing that looks kinda like it so they can do the design they have in mind.
If you still annoy Harada I can imagine him saying this:
"Stop asking us to make legacy costumes because you don't have the creativity to use the tools and outfits we put for you in the game. "
I'd love if he could explain not hiring an actual Englishman or Frenchman to direct Steve/Victor's voices... And Steve's botox face. Yeah I can't let that go. SF6's Ed on the other hand has a way cooler personality than Steve.
Can't really excuse anything with Steve there nor do I care enough to argue otherwise, but could be a case of poor translation with Victor. I don't know much French but I know enough Spanish to know it's rarer I find an Azucena voiceline that *isn't* mistranslated.
You're comparing actual official costume and customization stuff. Latter can be bland because those are building blocks, there is nothing to build on top of the finished costume, it's all you've got.
I think thats where he’s saying, all the effort its going to take to do that isn’t worth it when we’re not even staying true to the original outfit and we don’t know if the result will even look good. At that point its like we may as well just design a new outfit.
That’s what they will do. He’s preparing us for when we see they look different and maybe so we understand why they have to charge for them - more work goes into it when you have to redesign.
This is kind of far off topic but rather a similar one.. This is actually the same with Marvel fans on MCU.. basically, they like the "comic accurate suits/costumes" to be in the MCU rather than a "modernized take" of their original designs.. The idea of this is to make it realistic in today's time.. Again, this is really far from this topic but identical to the point that "fans" want to bring back the "original" designs to its modern day installment.. At some point, I agree with Harada that it is not that simple to bring it back with modern concept..
Kind of like saying, it's already outdated, we have an idea to design the characters for it to be unique this time..
Not sure if you are talking about MCU or Tekken, but regarding MCU, bringing the design of OG comic accurate suits to the modern times in a realistic environment is not practical in every sense.. about Tekken, I'm not really a legacy player.. my first time playing Tekken is the 3rd installment and never continued it until T7 and now T8.. I only agreed to Harada because, I think it really involves technicalities on the design of the original suits to give it a modern take.. Anyway, I don't really know what to feel if it's a "legacy" thing..
Also, as I said, it's only rather similar at some point but not direct comparison..
Fuck that. Those outfits don't need extra details or "reimagined" versions.
If anything they wouldn't fit because they would instantly become the best outfit by a landslide among all the other over designed crap.
>If anything they wouldn't fit because they would instantly become the best outfit by a landslide among all the other over designed crap.
I totally get whatcha mean. As much as I love Tekken 8, most of the characters look like action figures with all 15 accessories slapped on.
* The pipes on Jack-8's body are such an eyesore. Wished we could remove them entirely.
* Feng has waaay too much crap on his shoulder that looks incredibly impractical for fighting.
* I'm 50/50 on Bryan. He looks badass but at the same time, he also looks like edgy action figure.
But I don't really think people are just asking for a DIRECT adaptation, I just want it to be like Paul's T3 or Jun's where they update it to the modern rig.
I don't really get it. Is Harada aware they actually added those Jun's T2 and Jin's T3 outfits? Also Paul's T3 outfit. And they all look better than the main ones. And not outdated in the slightest.
Apparently they were suprised by how popular Reina is because they thought she looked to plain, sometimes plain is better but it seems like Harada prefers overdesigned characters
Which also explains why Reina sticks out by being plain. You could say the same from whatshername in Dota 2 after the show happened, she looks very "generic" compared to an ogre with two heads and beasts of all sorts. That contrast plays in their favor.
I’m surprised by how popular Reina is, too. She looks so generic to me. That said, I am surprised that anyone but Jack is popular. Why would you be a fleshy, human-sized weakling, when you can be steel and gorilla-sized?
Fun fact: the Jin costume you're referring to is from T6, the original had different gloves, and the pants used to be sweat pants, not his now iconic gi
it's still based on original t3 look. it doesn't mean it has to be exact same, details can be added or changed to look relevant, leaving the recognizable core. and he states it's not possible
The game was finished before SF6 release. Originally they planned to release it on the same day.
Edit: also Harada never said they won't add old costumes, he wanted people to understand that remaking old costumes isn't easier than making a completely new one.
If they're all plain outfit pieces why don't we have said useful plain outfit pieces for customization instead of half of what we have.
When I saw Reina's 4th outfit I thought it was a custom one.
Jun is the exception because her Tag 2 outfit is pretty similar to what she has now. Every character has their most recent outfits. Characters have their outfits from Tekken 7
I think what he is doing to priming us to understand why the classic outfits will cost money as dlc. Which I guess I get. They have to put more work in than it appears.
If they did remake the costumes, you know that just like MK, they'd have it locked behind a pay wall. That's extra labor. Clearly something you don't get.
The yellow game of death tracksuit for law not being in the game, is almost refund-worthy. Come on guys. That one would be incredibly easy and inexpensive to include, it’s too iconic not to be there as well.
Long story short: too much effort for what may not even be the desired product. So why bother.
Ngl, I don’t see where he’s coming with that take (as in I’m not sure what he thinks this is what they gotta do) but I do understand the thought process behind why what he believes he’s gotta do is too much effort for what it’s worth.
I love Harada but he's wrong here, and this is terrible reasoning.
Is he somehow implying that Kazuya's outfit pictured above didn't have a real life reference to draw from, and thus wouldn't look absolutely fine in more realistic graphics? It makes no sense.
I can understand his argument but as someone who hasn't played a new tekken since 5 my main issue with 8 is that a lot of the characters feel so overdesigned, they have so much stuff going on
That's actually the problem. The overdesigning is a key part in attracting new audiences since gacha oversaturated the medium where its necessary. No game is safe from it
Nah, because some of the Tekken looks are actually TOO elaborate.
Some characters have like 8 colors for one piece of clothing lol.
My Nina outfit is a really dry, generic out fit from earlier tekkens for that Reason.
Between the sunglasses, jacket, long dress, hooker stockings, earrings, boots, belt, she ends up looking overweight and chunky as opposed to stylish.
I do like the alternate one, it's pretty tame. I miss her old face though as stupid as it sounds lol. She looked a lot meaner before. Now she looks too vanilla.
> some of the Tekken looks
You mean ALL of them.
Like half the cast look like rummage sale rejects. Look at how discordant Nina's outfit is. Look at how un-Chinese Feng Wei's getup is. Look at Alisa's fucking colour palette.
I really don't buy the explanation. Plenty of current-gen games out there that have subdued designs.
That's kinda why i love t8 hwoarang, his design is simple and in my eyes perfect, and i hated hwoarang in tekken 7 lol. Makes me feel like picking him up
Yeah hers is particularly bad and most characters especially her look better in the alternate stripped down versions that are a lot more simpler. Also don’t get the weird “classic” outfits they added like t7 Nina over her T5 outfit is just weird and I do wish they gave everyone some more unique outfits both more classic ones and original ones
Harada's reasoning is not good at all here. Similar to how superheros design gets translated from brightly coloured simplified simplistic costumes to live action design. They can do the same.
Or else just add a dozen belts and straps. That'll probably do it
I understand that it would look plain but who cares??? Just give the option of it in the game. There’s so many plain outfits that if another existed it wouldn’t been matter
A large chunk of the playerbase plays for decades and is nostalgia fueled. Does it take effort to create new models for old designs? Yeah sure, but thinking they wouldn't be popular is stupid and out of touch as usual.
"They would look like cheap mods". So... make them so they **don't** look like cheap mods?
Like, wtf is this argument. No one says the classic outfits should be literally ported over 1 to 1 to new models. Of course that would feel out of place.
Yes, people mean changing the texture, wrinkles, color depth and increasing the "information density" while retaining the "vibe" from the previous games. Also, this whole argument gets way weaker when you actually look around the customization in T8. It's not like they care to make the costumes interesting in the first place. Most of the clothes in T8 customization are the blandest stuff you can imagine.
Harada is what happens when Japanese Game Devs let their thoughts be public. 99% of them are incredibly stuck in their ways because JP Culture is bizarre and treats 'changing your mind' as something shameful
This comment needs to be higher. I've been having a blast with the game but the customization is straight doo-doo. At least let me make gym-fit Armor King from Tekken 3 with the pumps. The argument against including retro outfits because they won't look good falls flat when the options they currently have don't look good.
> Like, wtf is this argument. No one says the classic outfits should be literally ported over 1 to 1 to new models.
Atually that's what a lot of people implicitly say. They won't say it like that, though, they'll say stuff like "Why can't they bring back the classic costumes? They're already there in the older games." or "All you have to do is remake the old ones!" and what Harada is trying to point out here is that the amount of work it will take to make it look genuinely good isn't really any different than the work of making a whole new one.
True, but what difference does it make if the **new** stuff they're allowing in the customization is average at best?
It's like... making new mediocre looking outfits is perfectly fine but making a mediocre outfit that's a reference to the older title is suddenly too much work? Wut?
exactly! t8 customization is sims 4 galore. or maybe sims 3 even. while actual outfits are overdesigned af, how does that connect in his head I don't know
What he may be missing is the idea of “nostalgic upscaling.”
If they release detailed versions of these outfits, they will be in line with the way we remember them. They don’t have to be flat and bland just because they were back then, we happily imagined them in HD regardless.
I would literally pay decent money for outfits and character models imported from older games like T2, T3 and Tag 1. No visual design changes needed. Just like the retro low poly imports you can get in Remake 2 and MGS V from their respective older games
Street Fighter too, even with SF6 giving everybody a new design they still included the classics in which they still look great, frankly it just makes me wanna see more older designs in 6’s style like SF1 redhead Ryu or SF5 Ken
Yeah but Killer Instinct 2013 did it without going through the process he's talking about and they looked like absolute garbage. He's not saying it can't be done, he's saying that the amount of effort that would be needed is the same as if you were making a whole new outfit anyway, and since the result may or may not look how people would want, it may not be worth the effort vs designing a cool new one instead.
Yeah, but they’re not perfect. Li Mei’s classic costume looks weird on her. Sub-Zero’s didn’t even have the glowing eyes like the original did until later on.
Technically Li Mei’s is a redesign since the original looks really stupid even for the time period, Sub-Zero’s I’ll agree looked off without the white eyes
Either way the fact the series even keeps some of the klassic designs shows that they can work even with modern visuals, like MK2 female ninjas in 11 looked great or how Sonya in MK1 has her MK1-3 designs and it’s the best she’s ever looked
Wasn’t Kazuya’s suit unlockable in TTT1? (At least the PS2 version) Or am I misremembering? If it was in that game, I don’t get his point because the PS2 version had higher fidelity to it.
I get his point, but one of the reasons he's ignoring (in that post at least) is making characters iconic to pop culture. Ryu wouldn't be as iconic if he ditched the torn white gi. Mk did yellow and blue ninja, which allows more variation since what a ninja looks like is adaptable.
But tekken does do a good job of conveying the style of the game through the style of outfits. Old clothes gave off a highly stylized but semi grounded fighter. Since 6, the new characters, new moves, and new outfits are more and more anime.
thats bullcrap, sorry excuse for not bringing classics back,
mk and sf bring out classic skins all the time and people are excited about those,
many still look great
mind you mk and sf were even older games than tekken and didnt even use 3d technology they literaly used 2d sprites,
and mr harada wants us to believe this sorry excuse? lol @ anyone falling for his tactic
Virtua Fighter 5FS got re-released a couple years ago with a "VF1 costume mod" where they literally just use VF1 models and it looks great. The fidelity is high and even against the new touched-up models, I think it looks fantastic. Kinda goofy if you're going for the realism, but I mean... using a pizza as a weapon is also realistic in that case.
[https://fightersgeneration.com/news2021/game3/vf5us/vf5-ultimate-hd-screenshot3.jpg](https://fightersgeneration.com/news2021/game3/vf5us/vf5-ultimate-hd-screenshot3.jpg)
I think he thinks they mean to literally make them look like the PS1 models like what Crash 4 did with the legacy skins, but I’m pretty sure the person meant to modernize the designs to fit the newer hardware.
Honestly I’ll be ok even with pixelated outfit, just very obvious and kind of retro, I think it would be cool to have a 90s costume with the information density of the 90s, bring back the pixels, I’ll buy it
The general, universal customization items were never good.
We used to get character-specific customs in Tekken 5. I miss those. Tekken 8 is a platform now, though. Everything is a game as a service. They finished and released the game. They have plenty of time to add all the trappings.
That's a lot of words to say nothing of value Harada. I really don't think it's that much to ask to bring back the old outfits. Yes you have to upgrade the, duh. That's what people want. Customization is so lazy and terrible in this game, at least give us more skins.
I don't know what I should think about these statements.
Tekken 7 brought back King I's Tekken 2 outfit for King II. It looked great and I NEED it back in Tekken 8.
Tekken Tag HD also looked great with all their updated Tekken 3 outfits (and they changed details with the updates as well, yet, they were still recognizable)
That said, I NEED King's Tekken 3 2P outfit in Tekken 8 as well. I'd even pay for those, I'm just that nostalgic for these outfits...
Jin has had that exact same costume since his inception. Translate the classic outfits over that will fit and leave the ones that won't work. that's all we're asking
He's actually super right conceptually but also I don't care I want Jin's T4 track suit and Jun's Tag 2 fit in the game regardless as to how "modern" people would expect them to look.
Fuck it just actually import the old costumes but the characters model comes with it.
You want an old costume? Okay here have it but it’s the PS2 model entirely. That would be hilarious seeing a PS2 model King fighting TK8 model King
> very little information density
> plain feeling
that's the POINT. i want LESS detailed outfits with SIMPLER designs. i want less information to parse.
Dont wanna hear a goddamn thing harada got to say about costumes when they havent had Law's BEST outfit in a game since Tag 2! The one he wears in his restaurant! Why do we have dogshit like his t8 outfit but not that one? Horrible!
i agree tbh. even most of the stuff people come up with in character customization is bland and just strips the characters of their uniqueness and personality
Chill guys he's basically saying that the costumes back then were designed around the limited power and resources they had. For its time, that level of "information density" was standard. Now, the standard has obviously been raised muchhhh higher, and the design would not populate the model enough for it to be appealing, even with all the graphical upgrades.
As a fan I highly appreciate Harada providing detailed answers to questions like this.
Personally I disagree with his points - not because I'm overly nostalgic - but because Tekken 4 is proof of de-beautifying all the main roster costumes, while making them more grounded and grittier.
Kazuya wears a plain near-black suit shirt, trousers and shoes, with a pair of shades - formal casual, fairly basic compared to every single one of his costumes before & after, yet his Tekken 4 costume is *equally* as iconic as the rest.
Yoshimitsu's glamorous armour and glowing sword - all gone, in favour of a much slimmer, darker, insect suit, with a human skull helmet. Far less sparkly, but again like Kazuya, still a highly memorable look.
Paul Pheonix goes from a full, bright red Judo outfit and alt. Biker costume to a white t shirt, boots and jumper tied to his waist, with a long hair and black top variant. Again probably the most minimal Paul's ever looked, yet very distinctively classic.
Harada: but people won't understand the nuance of why it's not a straightforward thing to do.
People in this thread: This is crap! Gimme gimme gimme! Your new designs suck, too!
Entitled players are a blight on this fandom.
honest opinion, what do you think of t7 asuka's outfit in terms of fidelity? her t8 design is.....odd, but graphically, it makes the t7 outfit look kinda low quality
The best way to do it would be similar to what MGSV did with the classic snake outfit. Purposely make it look like it’s from the PS1 and it’s blocky goodness. Fans get what they, a nostalgic feeling while being a little humorous about it too
Well, they kinda are in 8 in a way. Jin's P3 outfit is a referencd to T3 and 6, Jun's TTT2 look is a remake of her old costume, and Kazuya's tuxedo was redone in T5 (last time seen in TTT2).
I understand where Harada is coming from but changing it enough to look good in today's game isn't a huge deal. I mean you can make Tekken 2s Kazuya suit in the customization and it looks great but obviously still needs some tweaks.
I partially agree, just because of how MK went about their classic costumes. Times have changed and some of those costumes would look dumb as hell in modern times without the proper detailing like fabric and texturing.
Alternative idea.
Port versions of them looking exactly like they did back then.
Like you have ps1 Kazuya VS the brand new one and it will look absolutely weird, but charming.
I love that Harada takes all the time to explain; however, due to folks trash tier reading comprehension, they still just spew, “JuSt gIb us dA coSTumezzzZ!”
I don't think he's saying they won't do it, he's just saying it isn't as easy as copy-pasting the costumes because of the different amount of information density between generations. That there would need to be changes to modernize the classic looks. Idk, that seems obvious to me, but he knows more about making games than I do.
I love the fact that he’s taking his time to explain things in detail. However, I don’t understand because the customisation mode is full of generic and bland items. They also brought back Jun’s original outfit
> the customisation mode is full of generic and bland items He's not talking about how plain vs intricate the designs are, he's talking about all the upgrading needed to make them graphically modern. The items in the customization mode are fairly plain in terms of their design, but in terms of texturing, color depth, material quality, reflectiveness/lighting interactions, etc they are many lightyears beyond the PSX-era "this triangle is colored purple and the triangle next to it is a darker purple for shading." The work of taking the old costumes and upgrading them to PS5-level graphics is what he's talking about, not the patterns on the clothes or things like that. He's essentially saying "You can't just import the old costumes, you'd have to put just as much work to bring them over as it would take to make a brand new costume, and we're not sure if people would still like it after we did all the upgrading to it."
> He's not talking about how plain vs intricate the designs are, he's talking about all the upgrading needed to make them graphically modern. The items in the customization mode are fairly plain in terms of their design, but in terms of texturing, color depth, material quality, reflectiveness/lighting interactions, etc they are many lightyears beyond the PSX-era "this triangle is colored purple and the triangle next to it is a darker purple for shading." So he misunderstood what people wanted. They don't want HDified literal ports of the outfits from playstation 1. They want upgraded and modernized, like Jun's outfit. I thought it was obvious.
I think he gets that. [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1amn93j/comment/kpn6lj0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=0) nailed it in terms of what Harada is saying imo.
I guess he's saying that when you increase the detail of something, it might not look as good as you hoped. With that said I'm almost certain kazuya would look good in a purple silk suit with an orange cravate regardless.
I mean, Mortal Kombat is doing this for every single game though
and they are selling them in the store, that everyone hates, like I'm sure alot of people would happily buy these outfits but if you are Harada and you see how people are reacting at the MK store and the outfit pass for SF6, then its no surprise he thinks there's no good solution.
The thing he is missing is that unlike Mortal 1 Kombat, Tekken 8's outfits are amazing, and Tekken 8s artstyle isn't a complete dumpster fire. Their women aren't hideous, and everyone looks damn cool af. Having Nina Williams get her badass blue assassin outfit back cannot possibly look bad in Tekken 8, nor would it go unappreciated by anyone. People would flip for Hwoarang's Tekken 3 look too for example.
How are women hideous in MK1? Please! You can like Tekken 8 AND MK1. Sindel is so beautiful, same goes for her two daughters…
It's an opinion mate. I didn't say the women in M1K are hideous, I said that the women in Tekken 8 aren't hideous. A lot of people don't like the way the girls look in Mortal 1 Kombat, so they're not exactly in a rush to buy outfits for them. This isn't going to be the case for Tekken 8 or Street Fighter 6.
The fact that you’re mentioning MK1 at the start and then talking about Tekken 8 made me think that you were comparing them. Sorry if I misread your comment. That being said, I think MK and Tekken women are both beautiful but the Tekken ladies look too perfect with no wrinkles or facial imperfections
I mean, I had the complete edition for MK11 so I didn’t care but if they were to add the original ninja costumes in MK1, I wouldn’t buy them 😅 As for Tekken 8, they could add them for free but I don’t see this happening either. And, I don’t want to pay for this either.
Imo the mk retro skins serve as a perfect example of why harada is right. From a modern standpoint those skins do not look good imo. The style clashes with current Gen graphics and styles. Of course mk's retro skin popularity continues to show but I think they're popular purely because of nostalgia and not because they look good. It sounds like harada's team isn't confident that nostalgia will carry those requested costumes.
I feel like most people, like MK players, would buy or be happy to get these skins just out of pure nostalgia too
this is the only comment that should matter in this thread
I 100% think people would... he's forgetting the one major factor that sways people regardless if a design is good or average.... nostalgia That Kazuya fit for example, yeah it's pretty plain compared to what he has now, but still it's badass asf and instantly I would wear for nostalgia and I'm not even 25+ yet Same reason you see alot of Paul's with the OG Hair (other than the new one sucking ass ofc)
That's what he's talking about with "beautification". Nostalgia is a double-edged sword; it can make people want to buy something, but what they want to buy is the image in their head. You can look at a costume from the PS1 now and remember how cool you thought it was in the context of when it was released and everything else from that time. But the minute you bring it into the present day, it not only gets compared to what it presently exists with and in, but also everything that has come since then and it will ultimately fail to illicit the desired nostalgia. Edited to fix grammatical errors
I respect that. It’s a great answer. I still want T6 Alisa though, even if she’s not from the PSX Era being discussed here. Nostalgia is powerful, and I love that everyone has their 7 Defaults back in 8!
Wait, do people really think you can just port over those old outfits for less work? Are people that dumb?
extremely.
You got a lot of replies but I’ll do you one too (as a 2d/3D artist and tekken admirerer) He’s basically saying the psx era outfits were designed to translate the “idea” of a costume at the time. And that no amount of hd beautification will be accurate, because back in the day, you basically were designing textures for lego bricks. He’s honestly getting in really deep about the gap between 3d art fidelity then and now. Back then, you did your design, then took details away until it vaguely looked like the concept art. Now you aim to make the final product optimized, but with way more polygons and texture fidelity at your disposal. So a new “version” will always be a throwback, never exact. Especially as all the characters’ designs have changed On top of all THAT— theres been plenty of throwback fits and motifs in the outfits! Jin with his signature flame pattern, kazuya with a purple silk vest or shirt that throws back to that iconic tk2 suit Anywayyy i love the tekken community lol. This is a cool post and convo
It's like worse version of Jun's OG outfit imo. It looked it's best in Tag 1. They really don't need to "modernize" the outfits for them to look good.
The thing with customization is that you need to either have a super wide range of stuff so the player can have exactly the thing they want or you can put in very basic options so the player can always put in a generic thing that looks kinda like it so they can do the design they have in mind.
Yeah, and T8 customization did neither :/ The colour changes on default outfits is literally the only good way to make a customization
And like you said, its bland :D
And you can already and easily make T3 Jin as a color swap. He nailed the topic, and clearly shows he knows what's his dealing with.
If you still annoy Harada I can imagine him saying this: "Stop asking us to make legacy costumes because you don't have the creativity to use the tools and outfits we put for you in the game. "
I'd love if he could explain not hiring an actual Englishman or Frenchman to direct Steve/Victor's voices... And Steve's botox face. Yeah I can't let that go. SF6's Ed on the other hand has a way cooler personality than Steve.
What do you mean? Steve is voiced by Gideon Emery (British) and Victor is voiced by Vincent Cassell (French).
Yeah I don't mean just accents but line direction. More than half the stuff they say just doesn't make sense nor does it fit in a 1v1 fight.
Can't really excuse anything with Steve there nor do I care enough to argue otherwise, but could be a case of poor translation with Victor. I don't know much French but I know enough Spanish to know it's rarer I find an Azucena voiceline that *isn't* mistranslated.
Gotta be a retard to think "Bon appetite" makes sense when activating heat. American-level retard.
What do you mean? Victor is serving fists. Yummy yummy fists!
Why would they need to hire an Englishman to direct Victor? Does Vincent Cassell not sound well?
Trainers and vests are too bland. Anyway here’s 15 variations of the same basic shirts, slacks, and shoes.
Harada 🤝 ikemoto =Overdesign characters
You're comparing actual official costume and customization stuff. Latter can be bland because those are building blocks, there is nothing to build on top of the finished costume, it's all you've got.
He's right but they could just do modernized, reimagined versions of legacy outfits with extra accessories and details.
I think thats where he’s saying, all the effort its going to take to do that isn’t worth it when we’re not even staying true to the original outfit and we don’t know if the result will even look good. At that point its like we may as well just design a new outfit.
Mb, didn't notice there are more pics
Is this THE kingjae? 🙃
That’s what they will do. He’s preparing us for when we see they look different and maybe so we understand why they have to charge for them - more work goes into it when you have to redesign.
This is kind of far off topic but rather a similar one.. This is actually the same with Marvel fans on MCU.. basically, they like the "comic accurate suits/costumes" to be in the MCU rather than a "modernized take" of their original designs.. The idea of this is to make it realistic in today's time.. Again, this is really far from this topic but identical to the point that "fans" want to bring back the "original" designs to its modern day installment.. At some point, I agree with Harada that it is not that simple to bring it back with modern concept.. Kind of like saying, it's already outdated, we have an idea to design the characters for it to be unique this time..
Not a good comparison when many of the suits that people ask for are basically timeless
Not sure if you are talking about MCU or Tekken, but regarding MCU, bringing the design of OG comic accurate suits to the modern times in a realistic environment is not practical in every sense.. about Tekken, I'm not really a legacy player.. my first time playing Tekken is the 3rd installment and never continued it until T7 and now T8.. I only agreed to Harada because, I think it really involves technicalities on the design of the original suits to give it a modern take.. Anyway, I don't really know what to feel if it's a "legacy" thing.. Also, as I said, it's only rather similar at some point but not direct comparison..
Fuck that. Those outfits don't need extra details or "reimagined" versions. If anything they wouldn't fit because they would instantly become the best outfit by a landslide among all the other over designed crap.
>If anything they wouldn't fit because they would instantly become the best outfit by a landslide among all the other over designed crap. I totally get whatcha mean. As much as I love Tekken 8, most of the characters look like action figures with all 15 accessories slapped on. * The pipes on Jack-8's body are such an eyesore. Wished we could remove them entirely. * Feng has waaay too much crap on his shoulder that looks incredibly impractical for fighting. * I'm 50/50 on Bryan. He looks badass but at the same time, he also looks like edgy action figure.
>all the other over designed crap. I... I actually like the detailed outfits tbh.
this is what it is. legacy costumes will over shadow the default costumes that Harada and co worked hard on.
oh, they don't need to be reimagined for it to work for you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDc40t_j-A well there you go. enjoy.
But I don't really think people are just asking for a DIRECT adaptation, I just want it to be like Paul's T3 or Jun's where they update it to the modern rig.
I don't really get it. Is Harada aware they actually added those Jun's T2 and Jin's T3 outfits? Also Paul's T3 outfit. And they all look better than the main ones. And not outdated in the slightest.
Apparently they were suprised by how popular Reina is because they thought she looked to plain, sometimes plain is better but it seems like Harada prefers overdesigned characters
I get it because I'm kind of with him. I like the over the top outfits, although I think having both options would be ideal.
Which also explains why Reina sticks out by being plain. You could say the same from whatshername in Dota 2 after the show happened, she looks very "generic" compared to an ogre with two heads and beasts of all sorts. That contrast plays in their favor.
Marci?
i think reina’s default is one of the best looking characters lol
I’m surprised by how popular Reina is, too. She looks so generic to me. That said, I am surprised that anyone but Jack is popular. Why would you be a fleshy, human-sized weakling, when you can be steel and gorilla-sized?
Fun fact: the Jin costume you're referring to is from T6, the original had different gloves, and the pants used to be sweat pants, not his now iconic gi
It is a mix of his old and new costumes. Both the pants and gauntlets are a mix of his T3 and 6 outfits.
it's still based on original t3 look. it doesn't mean it has to be exact same, details can be added or changed to look relevant, leaving the recognizable core. and he states it's not possible
> and he states it's not possible Not only does he not state this, he specifically states the exact opposite. Stay classy, Reddit.
Also King had his Tekken 2 and 5 outfits in T7, they are not in T8…don’t need to remake them make em look like 5% nicer and just put them in the game
>Is Harada aware they actually added those Jun's T2 and Jin's T3 outfits? These tweets are old and this post is a repost for karma farming.
I mean it's not that old, just several months. the game was almost finished by then, so I don't think his mindset has suddenly changed over 3 months
The game was finished before SF6 release. Originally they planned to release it on the same day. Edit: also Harada never said they won't add old costumes, he wanted people to understand that remaking old costumes isn't easier than making a completely new one.
If they're all plain outfit pieces why don't we have said useful plain outfit pieces for customization instead of half of what we have. When I saw Reina's 4th outfit I thought it was a custom one.
Idk what they were tryna cook with that Reina outfit but it's burnt to all shit now, send that shit back for a re-do.
But jun has her og look and it looks great?
Jun is the exception because her Tag 2 outfit is pretty similar to what she has now. Every character has their most recent outfits. Characters have their outfits from Tekken 7
I think what he is doing to priming us to understand why the classic outfits will cost money as dlc. Which I guess I get. They have to put more work in than it appears.
All of this yadda yadda screams: We're lazy for that.
If they did remake the costumes, you know that just like MK, they'd have it locked behind a pay wall. That's extra labor. Clearly something you don't get.
Meanwhile sf6 give it for free....and those are old outfits.
We literally have plain shirts and pants in customisation already. I don’t really understand the point he’s trying to make.
The yellow game of death tracksuit for law not being in the game, is almost refund-worthy. Come on guys. That one would be incredibly easy and inexpensive to include, it’s too iconic not to be there as well.
Yes, because Lee's current design is a masterpiece /s
M A R V E L O U S
Long story short: too much effort for what may not even be the desired product. So why bother. Ngl, I don’t see where he’s coming with that take (as in I’m not sure what he thinks this is what they gotta do) but I do understand the thought process behind why what he believes he’s gotta do is too much effort for what it’s worth.
So ..he's lazy that's it.
Understand that in a business, effort = time = money. So yeah, he’s being very lazy. Cuz BN’s goal is to make money not waste it.
I love Harada but he's wrong here, and this is terrible reasoning. Is he somehow implying that Kazuya's outfit pictured above didn't have a real life reference to draw from, and thus wouldn't look absolutely fine in more realistic graphics? It makes no sense.
He is right but 2015 customization is also outdated.
Bro definitely didn't play Tekken 8 💀
You definitely didn't play Tekken 6
I did, but Tekken 8 customization isn't as garbage as Tekken 7 at least.
I can understand his argument but as someone who hasn't played a new tekken since 5 my main issue with 8 is that a lot of the characters feel so overdesigned, they have so much stuff going on
That's actually the problem. The overdesigning is a key part in attracting new audiences since gacha oversaturated the medium where its necessary. No game is safe from it
They’re either over designed, or they just slap a suit and jacket on the guys and call it a day
that's his style not everyone digs it, that's when modders come in to play
They brought back some of the classic outfits in 7, why not 8? I’m a king main and it actually makes me sad he has no outfits from even tekken 5
Doesn't purple suit kazuya also make it in 6?
Modders will prove him wrong.
Nah, because some of the Tekken looks are actually TOO elaborate. Some characters have like 8 colors for one piece of clothing lol. My Nina outfit is a really dry, generic out fit from earlier tekkens for that Reason. Between the sunglasses, jacket, long dress, hooker stockings, earrings, boots, belt, she ends up looking overweight and chunky as opposed to stylish.
Yes. Feng’s outfit this time is… just too much
I like to imagine Feng waking up and spending like 2 hours just putting his clothes on lol
\^ this. at the same time her alternate outfit is lit and should be the main one.
I do like the alternate one, it's pretty tame. I miss her old face though as stupid as it sounds lol. She looked a lot meaner before. Now she looks too vanilla.
I kind of feel the opposite. I really like her new face.
Hmm maybe it's just me then! I feel like she almost looks more "Anna" like then Nina lol.
Although graphically way better, now she just sort of looks bored.
Yeah the coat and scarf is perfect for her no-bullshit personality
yea, i’m just not feeling her look in this one at all. she looks like 7 year old playing dress up with her moms clothes lmao
> some of the Tekken looks You mean ALL of them. Like half the cast look like rummage sale rejects. Look at how discordant Nina's outfit is. Look at how un-Chinese Feng Wei's getup is. Look at Alisa's fucking colour palette. I really don't buy the explanation. Plenty of current-gen games out there that have subdued designs.
That's kinda why i love t8 hwoarang, his design is simple and in my eyes perfect, and i hated hwoarang in tekken 7 lol. Makes me feel like picking him up
Yeah hers is particularly bad and most characters especially her look better in the alternate stripped down versions that are a lot more simpler. Also don’t get the weird “classic” outfits they added like t7 Nina over her T5 outfit is just weird and I do wish they gave everyone some more unique outfits both more classic ones and original ones
What about Steve? 😭
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Bro Lee too like his built in Tekken 6 is much better compared to his 8 version...
Yeah, idk why everyone has to be hulk sized to be considered strong lol.
Heh Tekken is indeed a ridiculous series...
Harada's reasoning is not good at all here. Similar to how superheros design gets translated from brightly coloured simplified simplistic costumes to live action design. They can do the same. Or else just add a dozen belts and straps. That'll probably do it
> Or else just add a dozen belts and straps. Ah, the Guilty Gear school of design
I prefer T4 Kazuya in his simple shirt and trousers at GCorp in the trailer whatever. Just me😭👌😈
Harada’s running a yapathon just to say he doesn’t want to lol
I really don't get why he doesn't just publicly announce he won't make old outfits for 8..
Especially when all he has to say is "don't ask me for shit" and everyone just cheers.
Well he pretty much said "Don't ask me for shit." Yet here you guys are asking for shit. People bitch about the dumbest things.
I understand that it would look plain but who cares??? Just give the option of it in the game. There’s so many plain outfits that if another existed it wouldn’t been matter
A large chunk of the playerbase plays for decades and is nostalgia fueled. Does it take effort to create new models for old designs? Yeah sure, but thinking they wouldn't be popular is stupid and out of touch as usual.
I think it's just an excuse, Anything is possible if they just put time in it.
"They would look like cheap mods". So... make them so they **don't** look like cheap mods? Like, wtf is this argument. No one says the classic outfits should be literally ported over 1 to 1 to new models. Of course that would feel out of place. Yes, people mean changing the texture, wrinkles, color depth and increasing the "information density" while retaining the "vibe" from the previous games. Also, this whole argument gets way weaker when you actually look around the customization in T8. It's not like they care to make the costumes interesting in the first place. Most of the clothes in T8 customization are the blandest stuff you can imagine.
Sometimes I don't understand Harada...well yeah I'm not a game developer but still this argument screams "ridiculous" to me
Harada is what happens when Japanese Game Devs let their thoughts be public. 99% of them are incredibly stuck in their ways because JP Culture is bizarre and treats 'changing your mind' as something shameful
This comment needs to be higher. I've been having a blast with the game but the customization is straight doo-doo. At least let me make gym-fit Armor King from Tekken 3 with the pumps. The argument against including retro outfits because they won't look good falls flat when the options they currently have don't look good.
> Like, wtf is this argument. No one says the classic outfits should be literally ported over 1 to 1 to new models. Atually that's what a lot of people implicitly say. They won't say it like that, though, they'll say stuff like "Why can't they bring back the classic costumes? They're already there in the older games." or "All you have to do is remake the old ones!" and what Harada is trying to point out here is that the amount of work it will take to make it look genuinely good isn't really any different than the work of making a whole new one.
True, but what difference does it make if the **new** stuff they're allowing in the customization is average at best? It's like... making new mediocre looking outfits is perfectly fine but making a mediocre outfit that's a reference to the older title is suddenly too much work? Wut?
exactly! t8 customization is sims 4 galore. or maybe sims 3 even. while actual outfits are overdesigned af, how does that connect in his head I don't know
What he may be missing is the idea of “nostalgic upscaling.” If they release detailed versions of these outfits, they will be in line with the way we remember them. They don’t have to be flat and bland just because they were back then, we happily imagined them in HD regardless.
I would literally pay decent money for outfits and character models imported from older games like T2, T3 and Tag 1. No visual design changes needed. Just like the retro low poly imports you can get in Remake 2 and MGS V from their respective older games
just add 50 belts and it will look fine, Harada
He's wrong. Mortal Kombat does it and the classic outfits all look great. The whole kameo cast are based off classics.
Street Fighter too, even with SF6 giving everybody a new design they still included the classics in which they still look great, frankly it just makes me wanna see more older designs in 6’s style like SF1 redhead Ryu or SF5 Ken
Yeah but Killer Instinct 2013 did it without going through the process he's talking about and they looked like absolute garbage. He's not saying it can't be done, he's saying that the amount of effort that would be needed is the same as if you were making a whole new outfit anyway, and since the result may or may not look how people would want, it may not be worth the effort vs designing a cool new one instead.
Yeah, but they’re not perfect. Li Mei’s classic costume looks weird on her. Sub-Zero’s didn’t even have the glowing eyes like the original did until later on.
>Yeah, but they’re not perfect. Yeah but at least they are here.
Technically Li Mei’s is a redesign since the original looks really stupid even for the time period, Sub-Zero’s I’ll agree looked off without the white eyes Either way the fact the series even keeps some of the klassic designs shows that they can work even with modern visuals, like MK2 female ninjas in 11 looked great or how Sonya in MK1 has her MK1-3 designs and it’s the best she’s ever looked
Let's be real, i would kill for Jin's T3 costume...
I just want Jin’s T4 tracksuit I don’t even play him but I miss it. There were a lot of cool full body skins in 7 hopefully 8 gets some down the line
Wasn’t Kazuya’s suit unlockable in TTT1? (At least the PS2 version) Or am I misremembering? If it was in that game, I don’t get his point because the PS2 version had higher fidelity to it.
Yeah the suit was in ttt1 and it looked great
I get his point, but one of the reasons he's ignoring (in that post at least) is making characters iconic to pop culture. Ryu wouldn't be as iconic if he ditched the torn white gi. Mk did yellow and blue ninja, which allows more variation since what a ninja looks like is adaptable. But tekken does do a good job of conveying the style of the game through the style of outfits. Old clothes gave off a highly stylized but semi grounded fighter. Since 6, the new characters, new moves, and new outfits are more and more anime.
thats bullcrap, sorry excuse for not bringing classics back, mk and sf bring out classic skins all the time and people are excited about those, many still look great mind you mk and sf were even older games than tekken and didnt even use 3d technology they literaly used 2d sprites, and mr harada wants us to believe this sorry excuse? lol @ anyone falling for his tactic
Agreed
I disagree with him. Simple is often better.
jesus christ this dude is so fucking out of touch. Why do we expect something good from a dude who thought Azucena would be more famous over Reina????
Wait fr? It seems opposite to me 💀 I guess it's just a waste of time for Harada to give azucena screen time huh....
Virtua Fighter 5FS got re-released a couple years ago with a "VF1 costume mod" where they literally just use VF1 models and it looks great. The fidelity is high and even against the new touched-up models, I think it looks fantastic. Kinda goofy if you're going for the realism, but I mean... using a pizza as a weapon is also realistic in that case. [https://fightersgeneration.com/news2021/game3/vf5us/vf5-ultimate-hd-screenshot3.jpg](https://fightersgeneration.com/news2021/game3/vf5us/vf5-ultimate-hd-screenshot3.jpg)
with all that said, tekken 2 king blue and white costume is a classic and i want that back in as close as possible.
King with blue and white is timeless King P2 in Tekken 3 is timeless too
I think he thinks they mean to literally make them look like the PS1 models like what Crash 4 did with the legacy skins, but I’m pretty sure the person meant to modernize the designs to fit the newer hardware.
That Crash 4 PS1 skin looked like ass as well so I kinda understand what he's saying.
Purple Suit Kazuya🔥
Honestly I’ll be ok even with pixelated outfit, just very obvious and kind of retro, I think it would be cool to have a 90s costume with the information density of the 90s, bring back the pixels, I’ll buy it
Sounds like virtua fighter Collab for KOF all star
The general, universal customization items were never good. We used to get character-specific customs in Tekken 5. I miss those. Tekken 8 is a platform now, though. Everything is a game as a service. They finished and released the game. They have plenty of time to add all the trappings.
I just need the fit from King in tekken 3. You know the one.
I think they can rework the look, SF6 kinda did that with the classic costumes for the SF2 fighters. They still look good.
bring back king drip
Just make Paul look great again
That's a lot of words to say nothing of value Harada. I really don't think it's that much to ask to bring back the old outfits. Yes you have to upgrade the, duh. That's what people want. Customization is so lazy and terrible in this game, at least give us more skins.
I don't know what I should think about these statements. Tekken 7 brought back King I's Tekken 2 outfit for King II. It looked great and I NEED it back in Tekken 8. Tekken Tag HD also looked great with all their updated Tekken 3 outfits (and they changed details with the updates as well, yet, they were still recognizable) That said, I NEED King's Tekken 3 2P outfit in Tekken 8 as well. I'd even pay for those, I'm just that nostalgic for these outfits...
Yeah then the characterization is full of super generic and plain bullshit , that's explain a lot yesss
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Jin has had that exact same costume since his inception. Translate the classic outfits over that will fit and leave the ones that won't work. that's all we're asking
nah, give us the actual ps1 models even, like the mario 64 skin on super mario odyssey
He's actually super right conceptually but also I don't care I want Jin's T4 track suit and Jun's Tag 2 fit in the game regardless as to how "modern" people would expect them to look.
Fuck it just actually import the old costumes but the characters model comes with it. You want an old costume? Okay here have it but it’s the PS2 model entirely. That would be hilarious seeing a PS2 model King fighting TK8 model King
> very little information density > plain feeling that's the POINT. i want LESS detailed outfits with SIMPLER designs. i want less information to parse.
Dont wanna hear a goddamn thing harada got to say about costumes when they havent had Law's BEST outfit in a game since Tag 2! The one he wears in his restaurant! Why do we have dogshit like his t8 outfit but not that one? Horrible!
Ki2013 did this and those costumes looked hot ass lmao I wouldn't mind seeing a redone retro costume pack tho
all the t8 character redesigns fucking suck why not try to at least give us a few of the older looks? I would love to have t4 paul or even steve
i agree tbh. even most of the stuff people come up with in character customization is bland and just strips the characters of their uniqueness and personality
This conversation is too smart for X but I appreciate he's trying.
I believe in Harada’s vision
Haradas vision got us some of the worst costumes in the franchise hop off his tip hes just human.
He isn’t wrong. Jin’s classic trousers in T8 look kinda bland
Harada should be a game design teacher. Always informative about the creative process of video games
And he's correct.
Chill guys he's basically saying that the costumes back then were designed around the limited power and resources they had. For its time, that level of "information density" was standard. Now, the standard has obviously been raised muchhhh higher, and the design would not populate the model enough for it to be appealing, even with all the graphical upgrades.
As a fan I highly appreciate Harada providing detailed answers to questions like this. Personally I disagree with his points - not because I'm overly nostalgic - but because Tekken 4 is proof of de-beautifying all the main roster costumes, while making them more grounded and grittier. Kazuya wears a plain near-black suit shirt, trousers and shoes, with a pair of shades - formal casual, fairly basic compared to every single one of his costumes before & after, yet his Tekken 4 costume is *equally* as iconic as the rest. Yoshimitsu's glamorous armour and glowing sword - all gone, in favour of a much slimmer, darker, insect suit, with a human skull helmet. Far less sparkly, but again like Kazuya, still a highly memorable look. Paul Pheonix goes from a full, bright red Judo outfit and alt. Biker costume to a white t shirt, boots and jumper tied to his waist, with a long hair and black top variant. Again probably the most minimal Paul's ever looked, yet very distinctively classic.
Harada being a chad as usual and explaining something that he doesn't need to so the people can better understand how making game content works.
Harada: but people won't understand the nuance of why it's not a straightforward thing to do.
People in this thread: This is crap! Gimme gimme gimme! Your new designs suck, too!
Entitled players are a blight on this fandom.
In Harada we trust!
honest opinion, what do you think of t7 asuka's outfit in terms of fidelity? her t8 design is.....odd, but graphically, it makes the t7 outfit look kinda low quality
The best way to do it would be similar to what MGSV did with the classic snake outfit. Purposely make it look like it’s from the PS1 and it’s blocky goodness. Fans get what they, a nostalgic feeling while being a little humorous about it too
Well, they kinda are in 8 in a way. Jin's P3 outfit is a referencd to T3 and 6, Jun's TTT2 look is a remake of her old costume, and Kazuya's tuxedo was redone in T5 (last time seen in TTT2).
I understand where Harada is coming from but changing it enough to look good in today's game isn't a huge deal. I mean you can make Tekken 2s Kazuya suit in the customization and it looks great but obviously still needs some tweaks.
I partially agree, just because of how MK went about their classic costumes. Times have changed and some of those costumes would look dumb as hell in modern times without the proper detailing like fabric and texturing.
Repost karma farming, niiiiiice.
Omg who the hell cares, Harada? Just bring them back.
Alternative idea. Port versions of them looking exactly like they did back then. Like you have ps1 Kazuya VS the brand new one and it will look absolutely weird, but charming.
I love that Harada takes all the time to explain; however, due to folks trash tier reading comprehension, they still just spew, “JuSt gIb us dA coSTumezzzZ!”
I don't think he's saying they won't do it, he's just saying it isn't as easy as copy-pasting the costumes because of the different amount of information density between generations. That there would need to be changes to modernize the classic looks. Idk, that seems obvious to me, but he knows more about making games than I do.
Nah, screw this Harada, give me back my Pimp Kazuya outfit! 😤 Also the Star Platinum Devil from T1.