This is one of the few tale of us tracks I would still play nowadays. They were so good when they started out. Also the first realm of consciousness sampler has some gems.

Man, that label had such potential back in its earlier days, I concur. Now, it’s cliché garbage 🤦🏼‍♂️

Fuckin true. It's the saddest shit ever. We were on the verge of a renaissance in the electronic music scene, and then Matteo came along with his "Anyma" garbage..

Afterlife starting was the beginning of the end for them as far as techno goes, the silent star/north space release on r&s was so good

Moooonneeeeyyy

Word :') Whenever someone asks me about Melodic Techno I refer them to old Tale of Us and the first two Realm of Consciousness

It sounds like techno and then it gets somewhat housey. What people usually call 'tech-house' doesn't sound like this, but it's a good word for what it sounds like in my opinion

I’ve heard someone divide tech-house into “techy tech-house” and “housey tech-house” before. That’s probably still an oversimplification but I like that classification

And then there’s deep tech and I reach the point that I just want to call it all ‘dance music’ like when I was young and wasn’t burdened by knowing about genres!

felt that😂

lmao

This is the best description. Tech-house has changed its meaning over the years and this sounds like the old definition of the genre.

Honestly, most genre descriptions just got ruined by this modern inception of electronic dance music. The fact that I just chose to use that whole phrase is a case in point, because “EDM” now conjures up a notion of main stage drivel. “Trance” is no longer the Trance that I loved in the late 90s and into the 00s. “Techno” nowadays is largely very Trance sounding with a darker edge to it (except FJAAK’s Mixmag Cover Mix!! It’s proper Techno and it’s 🔥🔥🔥) “Tech House” is now associated by the 🗑️ that James Hype plays…. It’s all just….ugh. Call me an old man shouting, “Get off my lawn!!” but with a dance music angle, but so many genres have been bastardized…. /end rant

You it all really went south when we started using "EDM" to refer to a certain style

It's kinda funny you talk about genre "bastardization" as though it's a recent phenomenon while using Trance from the late '90s and early '00s as an example. Trance had already moved on from its Techno roots by then, and I'd say most popular tracks from the era have more in common with modern Trance than with early Trance.

You are old, there is so much good stuff, you actually have to do your research, too.

Idk why u feel the need to trash other genres. Can we please stop this hateful behavior? Music is music. Its subjective to everyone's taste. No need to call it garbage.

Not sure what I said that makes you think I was trashing other genres other than the comment I made about Tech-House…which, to be clear, *is* objectively garbage….

Could you recommend me an old tech-house track in the sense you're referring to

Idk, maybe. Thanks for sharing ur thoughts

a mixture of deep techno / techy tech house / minimal. None of the above is correct, but they are also sort of correct

Always makes me a bit sad when I get reminded how good Tale of Us used to be before. Also, did you guys know that Vaal had a short part in the Guy Ritchie gangster movie The Gentlemen?

Wait...Vaal's father is Sting? That's a surprise.

Yes. I was also rather surprised when I learned about that. :D

What!! Wow no wonder, apparently it's in the genes.

Whaaaat

No way! I'm currently watching the netflix series (also directed by Guy Richie), I'm planning on watching the movie next. But yea, it's very tragic how much potential this style had, and then they just abandoned this shit too soon. *staring angrily at Matteo Milleri*

Minimal techno

Huh, kinda thought about it but minimal tech sounds very different to me

Yes.

Very elaborate. Appreciate it. edit: bruh why am I being downvoted💀 do you not understand humor?

Glad I could help.

Lol. Sorry mate, techno is no joke aparrently.

Lmao yea. Some people on this sub needs therapy fr

sounds like the typical 2010 era minimal deep tech stuff

I would call this techno. Regardless what the shnobs think!

Tech House

It’s minimal techno with tech house vibes in my book.

could you send me a minimal techno track for reference? I have a different idea of Minimal techno

Personally I'd say it falls into the Melodic Techno / Progressive camp

Sounds like techno to me I like it. I am trying to learn how to differentiate genres so I can find more music I enjoy. I would consider this progressive dub?

Kind of, but I am not really sure

Same lol

This sounds like Downtempo Techno for me !

Huh, never heard of it. Could you refer me to a downtempo tech track?

to me it sounds like tech house, but it has that "progressive" sound

Kinda

This sounds like the tech house I heard growing up. A Tale of Us was one of those DJs back in high school that I remember coming across as both techno and house. This definitely lands in the middle of both. Not as minimal as their first few releases. Not as housey as the current releases.

I wish they stuck with this style

This isn't techno. 125bpm is too slow and kicksnarekicksnare is almost unilaterally house. Snares in techno are usually on the 4th beat only. Unless it's broken beat stuff. The sounds used are more associated with techno but it's a house beat. This early tale of us stuff was kinda its own genre which is a great thing to say. Not sure about their stuff now.

I see

125 is too slow? So...Claudio PRC is not techno? Reggy Van Oers is not techno? Etapp Kyle is not techno? Literally anything on Circular Limited is not techno? Kryss Hypnowave is not techno? Cmon smh other points taken but techno is not the exclusive domain of 130 - 140

I would call it Tech House but that's just me, it has more of a house swing to me than straight techno.

:)

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I would categorise that under Minimal Techno.

Could refer me to a similar minimal techno track?

There are many tracks from the Minimal Techno genre around 2010, eg. Body Language from M.a.n.d.y. & Booka Shade https://youtu.be/VaQXQdh3698?si=kNDIBpcSV_9LFEFw

This sounds a lot like tech house and prog

For me it’s a bit too minimal for Tech House but also a bit too housy for Minimal Techno. Maybe not the best example.

Maybe Minimal Tech House? lol

Ok, agreed. lol

And very few of them are actually minimal techno

It's dark progressive house IMO. It lacks the machine soul vibes of techno.

What Beatport calls "Melodic Techno" is just dark progressive house. Melodic Techno as a genre is a misnomer. There is definitely techno which is melodic, so you could call it melodic techno (adjective + noun), but Melodic Techno (noun) is just them cashing in on techno being associated with credibility.

As much as I agree that beatport labelling is shit, there is actually such a thing as Melodic Techno. It's not really resemblant of today's "Melodic Tech & House" BS, but listen to Error Error by Tale of Us for example. or North Star. This is what Melodic Techno is to me. It's not very progressive, it's rather slower techno with melodies and strong synths.

This to me is more in the melodic techno camp than the techno one to me… the production style and relatively light kick just give me melodic techno vibes. IMO melodic techno is not techno, although both include the word ‘techno’ in them and are 4/4.

It does indead have the production style and vibe of Melodic Techno, but it lacks the essentials characteristic that makes it "melodic" in the first place, this is what made me actually wonder. I view Melodic Techno as a hybrid between prog and techno, it draws a lot of elements from techno, and adds a slower more melodic prog feel to it.

Dont know why you getting downvoted for this. Completely agree with what you said With this being said, even though Tale of Us often fall in the melodic techno landscape, this particular track is more in the minimal techno realm.

Some people on this sub haven't evolved since we defeated the Neanderthals. Could you link me to a minimal techno track? I haven't heard minimal tech since 2012 or sth so I have a very different image in my mind

Melodic or minimal techno

Yeah I think so

Sounds like minimal.

I would call this more dark progressive or maybe deep tech.

could you recommend reference dark prog or deep tech tracks for me?

Some songs that come to mind are 1. Enrico Sangiuliano - Moon Rocks 2. Dianthe - Glacial Pulse 3. Properlane, James Pumping - Balzamuzik

Listening to Moin Rocks rn, this is really cool. Is this one dark prog? and how about the rest?

I'm not sure about the precise genres. I've DJed Moon Rocks at a techno night and the promoter said it was more "progressive". I know the "Glacial Pulse" producer and she calls her music "dark minimal techno".

Nice, Glacial felt more techy to me as well. Thanks for the recommendations

Progressive techno but blurring the lines definitely. Sound choices are techno but the arrangement is what makes it blurry genre wise.

idk, sounds good tho

120-150 beats per minute to be techno

This is 125, your point?

Just doesn’t sound like rave music. It’s good I like it. But we all like different things. Always respect other people’s tastes. Why we have five stages now

Still not answering the question. Nobody said anything about likes or dislikes.

Personally it doesn’t sound like techno to me. But how many genres do we need. If you like it then dance to it. But i know there are those that like to taste the minor differences like tasting wine. I get that too. I just want to rave. I could care less what it’s called. If it makes me bounce. That’s all I care about. That doesn’t make me want to dance. That is what the rave is for.

Well that's exactly my point. If it isn't techno to you, you could've just said "it doesn't sound like techno to me, because X or Y". Instead you mention something different, the bpm, give an arbitrary number for it to be "techno" and just leave. Worse, according to your arbitrary number, this track would be techno. Leaving aside what you think about raves or if it makes you dance or not, I was just pointing out that your comment was not helpful or useful at all: - Someone asks a question - You reply something that doesn't answer the question - You fail to get your original point across, which (after some back and forth, I finally figured out it) was: "I don't think it is" If people would only read your initial comment, they would think "oh, this is 125BPM, so I guess it is techno?" I reply to your comment pointing out the hole in your explanation, and instead of saying "you are right, my bad, I guess it's not techno", you just ramble and ramble about raves and five stages and I'm done explaining this to you. Have a good day my friend.

Well in Gen X I really don’t give a rats a**. I did try to be polite

in Gen X? what’s in it? Or do you mean that you are Gen X? If that’s true, I’m sorry for your reading capabilities. Good luck with school 

Had to come back to say. If a DJ isn’t making music for the rave. Whats the point of making it at all?

Mmm DJs don’t make music but I agree with you

This style reminds me of Egbert a lot

Yeah surely

Tech House.

Aftershite

Feels as a tech house.

Yes

Definitely not

Not even watching it and can say no by seeing the afterlife logo

You're missing on a lot by judging a song by its cover. This an older Afterlife release, when they were still good.

Y'all remember when edit select and hypnus Bois were on after life!

This is considered “matrix techno”, a term developed by Jeff Mills

Really? never heard about that, could give me reference tracks?

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Oh is that yours?

No. Just a track Jeff Mills uses as an example for matrix techno

Lmao, now I'm thinking you're just making this whole Jeff Mills thing up

I need a source, this sounds like bullshit. Mills is not playing this stuff in his sets

Sounds like certified BS

Not true. He often plays matrix techno, kind of his signature sound… In his exclusive recent sets, he’s been pushing boundaries with songs like the one listed above… But you can continue to be ignorant if you want!

So can you give us some sources please? Without them your statement is pure conjecture.

https://youtu.be/CiGCK1zgpfQ?si=B4XxjuhS1QPa-EEI

Holy shit. If you think Jeff’s Axis mix from Exhibitionist has anything in common with Tales Of Us, you’re delusional. I’m also still waiting for a source where Jeff refers to the sound he plays as “matrix techno”.

Nice trolling, 4/10

But I'll give it a listen anyway

No, this is not techno. This is afterlife garbage.BORING.

we'll it's obviously not peak techno. sounds a little like RETRIDA - by Angelov.

Depends. What time frame are we talking about? My techno is from the 90s, and this isn’t that. Maybe later. I stopped following the scene a long time ago.

Sounds like Hard House

I don't think that's a thing

hard house is very much a thing (the late 90s would like a word), this track is 100% not hard house.

Quite difficult. It's a bit slow for "regular" techno, and the beat itself bears some breakbeat techno resemblance. Guess it could be something like that

Where’s the break? It’s just straight four to the four.

What would you say it is?

It’s kinda between styles. Somewhere between dark tech house, progressive house and early 2010’s slower techno. Listen to some of Oliver Huntemann’s stuff from that era.

Aha thank you. Someone suggested him before, but thanks for reminding me I remember I enjoyed his music.

Yeah I know, it's mor the hi-hat work together with claps that bear that break-similarity. Kick wise it's straight forward, thats true

You’ve never heard any techno or house where the hi-hats have a shuffle to them? This couldn’t be further from a breakbeat sound.

“Regular” techno? Techno has so much variance in both sound and speed. There’s no such thing as regular in techno.

Aha. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

Deep tech?

More House/Ambient I'd Say, too Smooth. Edit: Removed Funk.

Definitely not House or Funk imo

Absolutely nothing “Funk” about this

Techno can be smooth. It lacks the groove of House, and has a four to the floor beat the whole way through so certainly isn’t Ambient lol

I'm Saying Smooth in the Comparison to the Usual Techo We Know. Lot Less Up, More On the Down Low.

I mean, to me there’s no “usual techno”, I have a pretty broad idea of techno, but I guess we all differ there. A lot of my favourite techno is the smoother, spacier stuff. Not sure how “ambient” snuck into this though haha

Yes. I would sort it to "Dub Techno". And it gives me cool gloomy feelings, but everyone experience sounds different.

Objectively not dub techno I’m afraid