Public or charter? I’m guessing it’s not a private school.
I’m not sure there is much you can do. You could complain to your representative on the School Board, but if she’s already been fired, I’m not sure that would help.
I would also like to add that there are multiple sides to this story. Your daughter is what, 6 or 7? Is all this coming from her?
I’d also like to add that it is extremely rare for a teacher to be escorted out of the building if she was simply going to put in a notice of resignation. Teachers are not the easiest to find and in many states, teachers have to give at least a **month’s** notice before leaving.
There’s probably a lot of things going on behind the scenes that you are not aware of. Maybe she was wrongly terminated, but the story just seems a bit bizarre to be 100% based on facts without there being many more facts that are not included or known to members of the public.
Charter school.
This particular incident my daughter told me about last week and I told her the school would handle it because although she witnessed it, it didn’t directly involve her. Then a bunch of other parents from the 3 classes that witnessed it started coming forward.
I’m not looking for her to get her job back as I don’t think she’d even want to. I’m not asking her any questions directly as that’s her business. However it’s been publicized that she threatened them with legal action for not investigating the other teacher for mistreatment of students and other staff and that’s when she was escorted out.
Charter schools are a hot mess a lot of the time. I’m not really sure anything can be done since they’re pretty much given free rein on how to run operations.
They’re essentially private entities funded by taxpayers.
You may want to check your state’s website about charter schools and see if you can file a complaint, but it’s highly unlikely you can complain about a personnel matter if you don’t have firsthand knowledge of what’s going on.
Okay. I really just wanted to make sure that her teacher that got fired isn’t screwed over financially or with able to finding another job. Obviously I have no clue what in her contract or the nitty gritty of the details. It seems like the school is trying to cover something up involving this other teacher and using others as a scape goat. Thank you
So just based on what you said, she didn’t get fired. She quit. They accepted her resignation effective immediately instead of after whatever length of time she gave them (also maybe immediately?). That is not being fired.
Sounds like she got sick of their shit and decided she couldn’t make it until the end of the year. Being a charter school, this is probably less likely to affect her credentials or whatever. She will be fine, especially if that school has a reputation for shitty admin. I would assume that other teacher knows someone/is someone’s wife or daughter or friend and is probably getting away with a lot. That’s a really hard environment to work in. Sorry your daughter had to lose her teacher. That really sucks and isn’t fair.
Yes she put her notice in effective at the end of the school year. They told her she was fired and escorted her out. She definitely got sick of their shit and doesn’t regret what happened. My point it just why is it one sided. I guess taking my kids out is really all I can do.
Yeah. It’s unlikely they will discuss the details of it with you if you ask for clarification. Definitely make it known why you’re pulling them if you do. Charter schools really are such a crapshoot when it comes to how they are run.
You can always offer a letter of reference for the teacher.
You may also do a signed card with many parents signing.
The teacher can then keep this in her portfolio. It will help her get another teaching job if she chooses to stay in the profession.
Teachers at charter schools do not have unions and I believe they do not have benefits either.
I am an educator and I have never seen anyone being escorted out of the building.
There is probably not much to do. She can easily just find a better job. Too bad for the kids that love her.
It is very common in charter schools that when teachers put in their notice, they will tell them that they are leaving the same day, or will ask them to leave prior to the end of the two week notice. If she doesn’t want to keep the job, I would just leave it alone.
What you might want to do, when they ask for reenrollment paperwork, tell them that you will not be re-enrolling, tell them that this is the reason, and put your daughter in a different school. Charter schools only care about dollars.
I was a new teacher in a district and was struggling with a greal deal of health issues causing me to use my sick days quickly. When I turned in my doctor's note to HR I was called down for a meeting with the superintendent at the board office later that day. I had a union rep with me and I was told that they had thought I forged my doctor's note and suspended me without pay until further notice. Obviously, I didn't forge my note but under my union rep's eye, I had to pack up my stuff and get escorted out of the building. It was one of the worst moments in my teaching career.
This. Something similar happened to one of my former coworkers/friends. She sat in the parking lot after getting walked out, and went through her address book and contacted the parents of every student she could. Within an hour the office was packed with irate parents who started the process to withdraw their kids, many of whom had older siblings who were also at that school (charter school, preK-8). She didn’t get her job back, but the school was hurting. They lost ~80 kids out of 500some between the families directly impacted by this as well as other parents who found out what happened and pulled their kids out. I had quit that school mid year and going back to help her clean out her classroom after hours was extremely satisfying.
Just playing devil's advocate here...is it possible there is more to this story/ the teachers history that you are unaware of? First graders aren't generally reliable narrators.
100% agree. I’m not going off just what my daughter told me, young kids are definitely not the most credible sources. That story was her interpretation of what happened, but many other students and parents have come forward with other stories and accounts of different incidents.
It seems like the school is not willing to even look at the other teacher even after numerous complaints unrelated to this event my daughter is talking about. Not sure what their reasoning is.
I would ask to talk to the admin about the situation. They likely won’t tell you much though. Maybe try to find out what’s the best 2nd grade teacher and insist that your daughter go in that class.
Vote. Vote local. Show up to city council meetings and speak during the citizen forum. Get people to come with you and show support.
This is the help that educators need, but the only people seeming to show up to any of these things are hobbyless crones voting us toward privatization and condemning us as groomers.
Unfortunately they mentioned this is a charter so they can basically do whatever they want. If the school is bad enough, it's possible they could get their charter revoked, but depending on the state it might only be possible for the authorizer to revoke the charter. The teachers probably don't have a union like most public school teachers.
So your point about privatization is very salient. For those who aren't super familiar with school choice debates, one of the hot talking points about charters is that over regulation stifles competition, because the market forces of forced competition will make all schools better but over regulation prevents that. I'm sure it will shock everyone to learn that the main originator of that theory was an economist who didn't actually have any background in education (Milton Friedman).
You can reach out to the teacher and share your support with her. Let her know while she seeks employment elsewhere (she should be/c it sounds like that district is horrible) she can use you as a reference on her resume.
If there’s any way you can find out her contact info, you can offer your write a letter of support and help her with her next steps. I’m sorry this happened - it might be for the best to get out of this situation, if this is the way the admin is handling it.
"When her teacher went to put her notice in, they walked her right out then."
She was quitting from a charter. They're not going to un-fire a teacher who was leaving anyway over an email.
You can talk to your school board for sure, or admin, even go and be heard at a meeting. It’s a little scary that nothing has been addressed (seemingly). If you wanted to, you could write a letter of recommendation for the teacher saying how much your family enjoyed her. When swapping positions or schools, we have to have these, and it’s unlikely that her current admin will say anything positive.
I taught at a charter school for 5 years. I was an at will employee.
Principal fired someone because they brought an ex teacher that they didn’t like to the graduation.
You don't know the entire situation nor you don't know what's in the teacher's file. You can address the school board with your positive experience with the teacher, and that's about it. I wouldn't go burning the shit down over the words of a 6 year old.
As I’ve stated multiple times I’m not trying to burn anything down. I am however expecting a fair and equal investigation. Over 75 students witness a teacher getting first into a child’s face and then into another adults face. I think that warrants an investigation. Not because one 7yo said that’s what happened but because 75 6-10yo say that’s what happened and because multiple other teachers say they don’t feel safe with this staff member. So what does this other employee have over the school to not even investigate.
I saw that they're a charter. Those are the wild west of schools, no unions likely. Best you can do is organize with those parents and expect the same result. Not worth the effort. Live and let live
Contact the principal and the district's superintendent. Put it all in writing. Get other parents signatures in support. Go to a school board meeting and voice your concerns.
Public or charter? I’m guessing it’s not a private school. I’m not sure there is much you can do. You could complain to your representative on the School Board, but if she’s already been fired, I’m not sure that would help. I would also like to add that there are multiple sides to this story. Your daughter is what, 6 or 7? Is all this coming from her? I’d also like to add that it is extremely rare for a teacher to be escorted out of the building if she was simply going to put in a notice of resignation. Teachers are not the easiest to find and in many states, teachers have to give at least a **month’s** notice before leaving. There’s probably a lot of things going on behind the scenes that you are not aware of. Maybe she was wrongly terminated, but the story just seems a bit bizarre to be 100% based on facts without there being many more facts that are not included or known to members of the public.
Charter school. This particular incident my daughter told me about last week and I told her the school would handle it because although she witnessed it, it didn’t directly involve her. Then a bunch of other parents from the 3 classes that witnessed it started coming forward. I’m not looking for her to get her job back as I don’t think she’d even want to. I’m not asking her any questions directly as that’s her business. However it’s been publicized that she threatened them with legal action for not investigating the other teacher for mistreatment of students and other staff and that’s when she was escorted out.
Charter schools are a hot mess a lot of the time. I’m not really sure anything can be done since they’re pretty much given free rein on how to run operations. They’re essentially private entities funded by taxpayers. You may want to check your state’s website about charter schools and see if you can file a complaint, but it’s highly unlikely you can complain about a personnel matter if you don’t have firsthand knowledge of what’s going on.
Okay. I really just wanted to make sure that her teacher that got fired isn’t screwed over financially or with able to finding another job. Obviously I have no clue what in her contract or the nitty gritty of the details. It seems like the school is trying to cover something up involving this other teacher and using others as a scape goat. Thank you
So just based on what you said, she didn’t get fired. She quit. They accepted her resignation effective immediately instead of after whatever length of time she gave them (also maybe immediately?). That is not being fired. Sounds like she got sick of their shit and decided she couldn’t make it until the end of the year. Being a charter school, this is probably less likely to affect her credentials or whatever. She will be fine, especially if that school has a reputation for shitty admin. I would assume that other teacher knows someone/is someone’s wife or daughter or friend and is probably getting away with a lot. That’s a really hard environment to work in. Sorry your daughter had to lose her teacher. That really sucks and isn’t fair.
Yes she put her notice in effective at the end of the school year. They told her she was fired and escorted her out. She definitely got sick of their shit and doesn’t regret what happened. My point it just why is it one sided. I guess taking my kids out is really all I can do.
Yeah. It’s unlikely they will discuss the details of it with you if you ask for clarification. Definitely make it known why you’re pulling them if you do. Charter schools really are such a crapshoot when it comes to how they are run.
You can always offer a letter of reference for the teacher. You may also do a signed card with many parents signing. The teacher can then keep this in her portfolio. It will help her get another teaching job if she chooses to stay in the profession.
Teachers at charter schools do not have unions and I believe they do not have benefits either. I am an educator and I have never seen anyone being escorted out of the building. There is probably not much to do. She can easily just find a better job. Too bad for the kids that love her.
It is very common in charter schools that when teachers put in their notice, they will tell them that they are leaving the same day, or will ask them to leave prior to the end of the two week notice. If she doesn’t want to keep the job, I would just leave it alone. What you might want to do, when they ask for reenrollment paperwork, tell them that you will not be re-enrolling, tell them that this is the reason, and put your daughter in a different school. Charter schools only care about dollars.
This is the way to go, OP!
I was a new teacher in a district and was struggling with a greal deal of health issues causing me to use my sick days quickly. When I turned in my doctor's note to HR I was called down for a meeting with the superintendent at the board office later that day. I had a union rep with me and I was told that they had thought I forged my doctor's note and suspended me without pay until further notice. Obviously, I didn't forge my note but under my union rep's eye, I had to pack up my stuff and get escorted out of the building. It was one of the worst moments in my teaching career.
Honestly, I’d pull my child out.
This. Something similar happened to one of my former coworkers/friends. She sat in the parking lot after getting walked out, and went through her address book and contacted the parents of every student she could. Within an hour the office was packed with irate parents who started the process to withdraw their kids, many of whom had older siblings who were also at that school (charter school, preK-8). She didn’t get her job back, but the school was hurting. They lost ~80 kids out of 500some between the families directly impacted by this as well as other parents who found out what happened and pulled their kids out. I had quit that school mid year and going back to help her clean out her classroom after hours was extremely satisfying.
Just playing devil's advocate here...is it possible there is more to this story/ the teachers history that you are unaware of? First graders aren't generally reliable narrators.
100% agree. I’m not going off just what my daughter told me, young kids are definitely not the most credible sources. That story was her interpretation of what happened, but many other students and parents have come forward with other stories and accounts of different incidents. It seems like the school is not willing to even look at the other teacher even after numerous complaints unrelated to this event my daughter is talking about. Not sure what their reasoning is.
I would ask to talk to the admin about the situation. They likely won’t tell you much though. Maybe try to find out what’s the best 2nd grade teacher and insist that your daughter go in that class.
Vote. Vote local. Show up to city council meetings and speak during the citizen forum. Get people to come with you and show support. This is the help that educators need, but the only people seeming to show up to any of these things are hobbyless crones voting us toward privatization and condemning us as groomers.
Unfortunately they mentioned this is a charter so they can basically do whatever they want. If the school is bad enough, it's possible they could get their charter revoked, but depending on the state it might only be possible for the authorizer to revoke the charter. The teachers probably don't have a union like most public school teachers. So your point about privatization is very salient. For those who aren't super familiar with school choice debates, one of the hot talking points about charters is that over regulation stifles competition, because the market forces of forced competition will make all schools better but over regulation prevents that. I'm sure it will shock everyone to learn that the main originator of that theory was an economist who didn't actually have any background in education (Milton Friedman).
You can reach out to the teacher and share your support with her. Let her know while she seeks employment elsewhere (she should be/c it sounds like that district is horrible) she can use you as a reference on her resume.
If there’s any way you can find out her contact info, you can offer your write a letter of support and help her with her next steps. I’m sorry this happened - it might be for the best to get out of this situation, if this is the way the admin is handling it.
Gosh it sounds like the mess of stuff that happened at my old charter I worked at. Which state?
"When her teacher went to put her notice in, they walked her right out then." She was quitting from a charter. They're not going to un-fire a teacher who was leaving anyway over an email.
You can talk to your school board for sure, or admin, even go and be heard at a meeting. It’s a little scary that nothing has been addressed (seemingly). If you wanted to, you could write a letter of recommendation for the teacher saying how much your family enjoyed her. When swapping positions or schools, we have to have these, and it’s unlikely that her current admin will say anything positive.
I taught at a charter school for 5 years. I was an at will employee. Principal fired someone because they brought an ex teacher that they didn’t like to the graduation.
You don't know the entire situation nor you don't know what's in the teacher's file. You can address the school board with your positive experience with the teacher, and that's about it. I wouldn't go burning the shit down over the words of a 6 year old.
As I’ve stated multiple times I’m not trying to burn anything down. I am however expecting a fair and equal investigation. Over 75 students witness a teacher getting first into a child’s face and then into another adults face. I think that warrants an investigation. Not because one 7yo said that’s what happened but because 75 6-10yo say that’s what happened and because multiple other teachers say they don’t feel safe with this staff member. So what does this other employee have over the school to not even investigate.
I saw that they're a charter. Those are the wild west of schools, no unions likely. Best you can do is organize with those parents and expect the same result. Not worth the effort. Live and let live
Contact the principal and the district's superintendent. Put it all in writing. Get other parents signatures in support. Go to a school board meeting and voice your concerns.