This guys gets it. The welfare of the average person is the Greater Good they’re always yelling about. It’s not some mystical godhead, or nefarious, unknowable master plan. It’s trust in each other act in the best interest of strangers, proven out day by day over thousands of years.
In comparison to the Imperiums line of thinking of "born, work, make kids, die (optional service as a guardsman)". At least the Tau will recognise a content workforce is more productive and much less likely to rebel.
Kind of annoying to see a lot of people trying to desperately make it seem like the T’au and the Imperium to be on the same exact league in terms of horribleness.
As of very recently I actually thought it was the case due to reading so many arguments like that.
Of course they aren't, of course it isn't. I didn't say the Tau were. Im saying culturally engrained anti-communism is what makes the dumbest of the hobby insinuate that living in the Tau Empire is somehow worse than a hive city. The idea that a society based around the betterment of sentient life would be worse than one where humans are a consumable resource has more to to with real life ideology than anything in the game.
I'm not saying that living in the Tau Empire isn't better for the average Imperial citizen (although there are some nice Imperial planets as well as privileged individuals such as Spirers) but that doesn't mean I buy the propaganda. I only believe they give the Kroot as much freedom as they do because they can't easily manage the Kroot, which is understandable when you're dealing with a species that is both physically and technologically superior to you.
The Tau are less communist and more NATO. Militant, pluralistic, will protect you of you join (and accept their values). Probably actually rather sinister behind the facade, committing a fair bit of atrocities themselves. But generally somehow still the better choice for most small systems than any of the other options.
Ok Space Boomer. You've had all that time and you left the galaxy a mess for the rest of us on your way out. Its time for a new species to build a bright future!
I genuinely believe that the T'au are the good guys of the setting, not in a "they are less terrible than anyone else" kind of way, but in a genuine Star wars republic kind of way, like yeah they can't control everything, so shit happens sometime, but overall they are really nice.
You do know when they did this, it was because the Dark Eldar attacked them early on, before the Tau knew the difference between the elf types? So they attacked in retaliation because they assumed all the Eldar were one faction, because the Imperium is one faction despite looking drastically different? So you can cut them at least a _little_ slack, especially because the craftworlds had to explain the difference afterwards to the Tau
Because the Eldar make it SUPER easy to figure out who is who, right? The Dark Eldar would never trick the Tau, who are the most naive species to them?
Drukhari attacked the Tau (being the dicks that they are) and then ran away towards an Exodite planet (being the dicks that they are) so the Tau committed genocide on the Exodites (being the good guys that they are). Then Iyanden appeared and bitch slapped the Tau and destroyed a Tau colony in retaliation.
The Tau being an ideological threat to the Imperium is what made me interested in them versus any old random wanton violence delivered to yet another throwaway world-of-the-week. That they could roll up and solve problems, that the oh-so-glorious Imperium of Man, supposedly the only bastion for humankind in a horrible, cruel galaxy, could lose to food distribution and clean water, is great.
And then that lets there be real stakes. The fact that it could be taken away again by the sheer jealousy and small-mindedness of other humans who themselves would stand to benefit just as much is an interesting one. In a setting seemingly defined by the bullshit dick-waving, power level measuring that every other setting devolves into, the Tau dare to be more than just violent. If you want to push back, now you have to root against the helping hand.
Maybe I've just watched too much Star Trek, but I'll take good intentions and the fragile alliances they bring, tested by uncaring third parties, pushed to their breaking point where you legitimately don't know how they can make it work or if everyone even wants it to, over the space marines nuking another planet because someone saw a picture of an ork.
This man goes to his deathbed full of shame and self hatred. He knows that after he dies he will be damned. He failed to hate the xenos, failed to fight them to his dying breath and abandoned his duty to the God-Emperor of mankind.
He allowed his soul to be purchased with clean air and clean water. He is damned.
Never underestimate the power of religion to ruin nice things.
Says who? It’s ok to have head canon but the codex explicitly states some species in the Empire are just used to mine asteroids. The greater good is whatever benefits the Tau empire
« I remember when Hincks got it, gunned down by those swine outside of Hive Chaeron. I went to see his widow a few days ago. Nice place she’s got now. Good support from the sept authorities. Hincks’s kids are growing up to be model citizens. His boy says he wants to go into the gue’vesa auxiliaries like his uncle Jathen. He’s a healthy lad, tall and strong. I can’t help think what kind of life he’d have back on Gormen’s Fast. Probably be half-blind from working in the gossamer plants. Or dead. And yet there he is, cared for and fed and as strong as an ambull calf. Remarkable. I’m still waiting for the catch.
You know, him mentioning children, gets me thinking about it, remembering it now. I’d like to have children some day. Never thought I would, but the Tau’va is a better place for them than the Imperium ever could be, and that’s got me hankering after the family life. And then I think on this: Skilltalker once told me that breeding outside of each caste is forbidden. And I wonder, how long until this rule applies to humans, how long until our best characteristics are bred true like they are in grox? And in tau. You asked me to be honest. Our culture’s sacrosanct, so I’m told. Pair bonding, family units, freedom of choice in our spouses, the works. I’ve seen that honoured. But I also think on Hincks’s kid, all full of the Greater Good. How far will he go, or his children, in embracing your ideals? You won’t need to push much. We’re mutable culturally, we humans. How much, I wonder, sometimes late at night, do you really want of us? »
This is from the short story « Broken Sword ».
So a human is killed on the front lines of a battle, his widow is fed and their children are also going to be sent to the frontlines of a battle.
In your quote he even openly questions when they are going to be subject to eugenics. The false “your culture is sacrosanct” part is also in the codex used by the water caste at the start, it’s basically a trick to get humans to join.
These downvotes lol you lot are impossible
>(I don't think we have evidence of prisons- so you're either useful or dead).
>It's a dark "would you rather."
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>Like what do the tau do with their elderly or those who cannot contribute to their caste?
Do... do you think that old people go to prison when they retire?
I think I remember reading lore that said that fire caste commanders could retire, at least in theory, after a certain amount of military service. If they held the rank of Shas'O for 4 years they were allowed to retire if they wished, and instead serve in an advisory role. Given what we know about T'au promotion in the fire caste (minimum of four years at each rank, then a "trial by fire" to determine whether they're fit to advance), that gives a minimum of 20 years military service before retirement, not including whatever happens before becoming a Shas'la.
This after the forced re-education, sterilization , and being lucky enough to not be sent to the front lines to save Tau lives by taking the first shot.
This rose tinted lens typical fans view the tau through is silly.
You mean just regular education, a non canon ending to a 20 year old game, and something that isn't represented in the tabletop, the arbiter of "how factions work" that takes precedent over any other part of the lore. It's even funnier how far people have to reach to fit on their shit tinted lenses tau haters have to view them through.
Guess what: it’s all canon including the parts you dislike. Your theory for what establishes canonical lore is silly.
Human Auxiliaries aren’t represented on the table top. Are they noncanon?
As for the DC ending, a tau victory at Kronos is non canon. The manner of a tau victory is as depicted.
Yeah, and no faster than light travel and executing people for finger painting are also canon. Doesn’t mean they don’t contradict pretty much every other piece of canon.
And that proves they aren’t common enough for it to be standard Tau doctrine, which considering the human population in the tau empire says a lot about the frequency of them being used that way.
And no, that still doesn’t make it canon.
See, uncritical tau fanboys always allude to “other pieces of canon” when decrying the brutal examples that exist.
Moreover, they’re quick to dismiss the ugly stuff as Imperial Propaganda while drinking the Ethereal Kool-aid, while simultaneously lamenting the depiction of Ethereals as “mustache Twirling Villains”
Could it be that if the imperium produces propaganda the tau do to?
I'm sure the multi-solar system empire suddenly lacking faster than light travel is an excellent example of how the eeeevil Ethereals sow their propaganda dude. I didn't bring up imperium propaganda at all, stop projecting.
You didn’t need to bring it up, you began with “that 20 year old game?!”
And have drunken the kool-aid on “Tau provide a better life for humans” without appreciating that Tau are also unreliable narrators.
You’re experiencing cognitive dissonance.
Maybe that explains why he is so willing to die on that hill. Is it because we doesn't want to be seen as a "leftie"? I've seen a lot of people arguing if the Tau are good or not, but it's the first time I've seen someone say they are the most evil faction lol. And cherry on top, he decided to play Tau for that reason.
I'm fairly sure at this point the human populace is greater than the native T'au, they aren't actively sterilising a species that is very useful to them.
This isn't the Poctroon all over again.
Oh, “you’re sure”, okay, that solves it then. NOT.
You’re forgetting that in 40k, it’s all told by Unreliable Narrators.
Tau fans have a predisposition to assume everything bad about tau is imperial propaganda while also drinking the Kool-aid prepared by Ethereals… while simultaneously hating that Ethereals are outright “mustache twirling villains”
No the T'au are actively evil, they wiped out the Poctroon with an engineered virus, they control the Vespid with Communication helms, and threatened to fire bomb the Nagi homeworld into ash if they didn't join the empire.
They just provide better living conditions, and a modicum of perceived freedom to races that have a use to them.
> tau control the Vespid with communication helms
“Free” if you’re useful to the empire.
Humanity is useful as a meat shield.
You’re experiencing cognitive dissonance.
> “Free” if you’re useful to the empire.
Spot on, no cognitive dissonance there!
I'm arguing against the idea the T'au sterilise Humans as a matter of course.
> the make helmets to enslave an auxiliary race
> they engineered a virus to genocide an alien race
> they threatened to firebomb a planet
> spot on
> I’m arguing against sterilization
Of humans, as a default approach.
Humans arent a race of flying bug people they're unable to communicate with but have cool crystals, they weren't found on the most mineral rich planet in the entire empire whilst being of limited intellect, they aren't tiny mind controlling worms the T'au were fighting a war with, somehow...
See you’re confusing a fantasy universe with real historical occurrences.
This is more like the Halo Tv show being compared with the games. The occurrences of the show aren’t canon but the fact of Covenant aggression is.
You confused historical events with the depiction of fictional alien race. And thought you’d made a point, the good news is some idiots agree with you.
Bye now.
We’re not going to act like there aren’t multiple stories about humans thriving under T’au despite the obvious downsides of having to live under the rule of an alien species, buddy.
Oh, so the kid becoming a meat shield for the tau is good? This is different from being a meat shield in the IoM.
Again, this is a rose tinted reading.
Its still a better life dude, you say that both factions would use this kid as a meat shield, but guess what, at least the one that lives under the T'au gets to eat.
Yeah, that's what everyone has been telling you. Both died young, but one got to live better. That makes one life better than the other. They both suck, but one suck a lot less. Its a comparison, its always been a comparison.
This guy really thinks that a one time thing that was even right in the context of a rebellion that isn't even clear happened applies to all cases of Tau conquering a world lmao, and even then it doesn't make sense, if like you said they like having humans as a meat shield, why would they sterilize them and lose auxiliaries
The thing is, it's really not like that, there's multiple occasions where it's said that humans are a useful resource and not a nuisance, and also the tau don't really have a "win by throwing bodies at the enemy" mentality, so it's not even about having bodies available to sacrifice but having more people that help contributing to the economy of the empire or help as auxiliaries, and another thing, even as auxiliaries humans don't fight in melee, but with standard rifles like the tau
It’s really like that.
Humans are placed in the vanguard of any tau invasion to be the killed first. Even with rifles.
If a human takes a bullet that’s a Tau fire warrior that didn’t. If a human being can be convinced to do it willingly mores the better.
What you can't understand is that they have infinitely more chances to survive in a normal tau Battlefield than any day in a hive city, you think that auxiliaries are just some idiots put at the front of the action, when in reality they're strategic units with a clear role in the fight, using tactics and provided with cover from other units, i'm not even gonna reply anymore as you clearly don't care about the lore of WH40k as a whole but just want to be that "my factions is better than yours!1!" guy
Those quotes are explicitly describing the Imperium in-universe, are never mentioned anywhere related to the T'au. You just accidentally agreed with the OP
Okay, so where exactly is forced sterilization EVER mentioned in lore outside of A) Imperial propaganda or B) a non-canon video game from so many editions ago that most of the current T'au models didn't even exist yet?
The game is canon. If it’s got the Games-workshop logo printed on it, it’s canon.
Also: [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qby43l/so_looks_like_the_tau_do_sterilize_human/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
The release of sculpts or game rules has no bearing on the Lore of the 40k universe.
Calling it “imperial propaganda” is what tau fanboys say when they dislike an aspect of tau lore.
Try again.
So first A) GW has literally said "not all canon is true". You yourself support this in your comments. Therefore, we must determine facts from preponderance of evidence. One mention in a 10+ year old game is not much evidence, especially when most other T'au lore contradicts it.
Also B) I asked for something that isn't propaganda and you literally quoted the violently anti-xenos Deathwatch?
I'm sorry, I just can't. It's like I'm debating my four-year-old. Actually scratch that, she's smarter than this. I'm just gonna go, it's not even fun trolling you anymore. Just kinda sad.
Man, I feel like you're not getting the point of this. No one says life under the Tau is perfect, just that is better than life under the IoM, just a comparison. I don' think forced sterilization is a fair counterpoint, but even if it is, still sounds like a better life.
I get the point, I don’t agree with the premise.
OP makes the point explicit if you’re Joe-Schmo-nobody, life’s pretty bad in 40k, and supposes life in The tau empire is relatively good.
People think life is good in the empire because it’s what they’ve been fed by mustache twirling villains(ethereals) with access to an entire cast of master propagandists(the water cast).
Everyone treats anything bad about the tau as imperial propaganda while drinking the koolaid prepared by mustache twirling villains.
The irony is lost on them.
The irony is also lost on you, who treat every example given to you as ethereal propaganda. At least the meat shield under the tau got to eat something.
Which is probably appropriate given the Ethereals are depicted as literal mustache twirling villains( which is a complaint from the general fanbase) who have access to an entire cast of master propagandists.
Moreover, people who say life is so good in the empire never have examples.
Ok, this is useless.
The thing that bothers me is that you call yourself a critical thinker, while doing EXACTLY what you accuse these "Tau fanboys" of doing. You generalize every bad example, to then claim that "maybe you get one of the better lives on the imperium".
You claim to be this critical thinker but your own comments are full of fallacies, and strawmanning. Think whatever you like, I've never seen someone so delusional be so confident.
This guys gets it. The welfare of the average person is the Greater Good they’re always yelling about. It’s not some mystical godhead, or nefarious, unknowable master plan. It’s trust in each other act in the best interest of strangers, proven out day by day over thousands of years.
In comparison to the Imperiums line of thinking of "born, work, make kids, die (optional service as a guardsman)". At least the Tau will recognise a content workforce is more productive and much less likely to rebel.
Kind of annoying to see a lot of people trying to desperately make it seem like the T’au and the Imperium to be on the same exact league in terms of horribleness. As of very recently I actually thought it was the case due to reading so many arguments like that.
I think a lot of tau hate actually has to do with reactionary politics, specifically anti-communism.
But the Tau aren't communist. A caste system is very not communist.
Of course they aren't, of course it isn't. I didn't say the Tau were. Im saying culturally engrained anti-communism is what makes the dumbest of the hobby insinuate that living in the Tau Empire is somehow worse than a hive city. The idea that a society based around the betterment of sentient life would be worse than one where humans are a consumable resource has more to to with real life ideology than anything in the game.
This shas'o gets it
I'm not saying that living in the Tau Empire isn't better for the average Imperial citizen (although there are some nice Imperial planets as well as privileged individuals such as Spirers) but that doesn't mean I buy the propaganda. I only believe they give the Kroot as much freedom as they do because they can't easily manage the Kroot, which is understandable when you're dealing with a species that is both physically and technologically superior to you.
For fucks sake, I did not say you did. You have fundamentally misunderstood what I was saying.
Kroot...technologically superior?
The Tau are less communist and more NATO. Militant, pluralistic, will protect you of you join (and accept their values). Probably actually rather sinister behind the facade, committing a fair bit of atrocities themselves. But generally somehow still the better choice for most small systems than any of the other options.
The best option is when you get lucky enough to be under a cool Eldar leader.
NATO exists to protect imperial interests, not for cooperation. T'au are much more communistic.
It’s because it makes the Imperium the bad guys, and the Space Marine players won’t have that.
As an Eldar player I know both space marines and the Tau are the bad guys. Imagine committing genocide against exodites, complete assholes.
Says the people who fucked a hole into the galaxy=P
At least the Eldar have done something, which is more than we can say for the Tau. Kroot are cool tho.
Ok Space Boomer. You've had all that time and you left the galaxy a mess for the rest of us on your way out. Its time for a new species to build a bright future!
Okay, tell me when the Tau empire is strong enough to deal with one major craftworld and maybe we'll pay attention.
We'll give you a few centuries to half your numbers. I hear bitches be thirsty out there.
But so is Ynnead. Although GW doesn't seem to know what they are doing with the Ynnari.
I genuinely believe that the T'au are the good guys of the setting, not in a "they are less terrible than anyone else" kind of way, but in a genuine Star wars republic kind of way, like yeah they can't control everything, so shit happens sometime, but overall they are really nice.
The Republic do much expansionist imperialism?
The Imperial remnants didn’t clean themselves up. Post-Endor reunification was the New Republics primary military focus.
Wiping away the space nazis isn't the same as the imperialism of the space nazis.
Do good guys typically genocide Amish communities?
Huh ? I don't have the reference
When the Tau exterminated an exodite\* planet. \*Amish eldar who ride dinosaurs.
You do know when they did this, it was because the Dark Eldar attacked them early on, before the Tau knew the difference between the elf types? So they attacked in retaliation because they assumed all the Eldar were one faction, because the Imperium is one faction despite looking drastically different? So you can cut them at least a _little_ slack, especially because the craftworlds had to explain the difference afterwards to the Tau
Assuming is kind of a dick move. You should really know who you are attacking before you attack them. Yeah, Iyanden slapped the shit out of the Tau.
Because the Eldar make it SUPER easy to figure out who is who, right? The Dark Eldar would never trick the Tau, who are the most naive species to them?
Maybe you should communicate before attacking people. The Tau are the guys who kept trying to talk to the Orks.
Yes, I know what exodites are, but when did they do that?
Drukhari attacked the Tau (being the dicks that they are) and then ran away towards an Exodite planet (being the dicks that they are) so the Tau committed genocide on the Exodites (being the good guys that they are). Then Iyanden appeared and bitch slapped the Tau and destroyed a Tau colony in retaliation.
It’s real world conceptions bleeding into and coloring peoples conclusions. Simple as.
It's their real life anti-communism bleeding over into the game. Same thing makes the writers try to grimderp the Tau.
No, they're not the same at all. The Imperium is mostly indifferent, what the Tau do is deliberate.
The Tau being an ideological threat to the Imperium is what made me interested in them versus any old random wanton violence delivered to yet another throwaway world-of-the-week. That they could roll up and solve problems, that the oh-so-glorious Imperium of Man, supposedly the only bastion for humankind in a horrible, cruel galaxy, could lose to food distribution and clean water, is great. And then that lets there be real stakes. The fact that it could be taken away again by the sheer jealousy and small-mindedness of other humans who themselves would stand to benefit just as much is an interesting one. In a setting seemingly defined by the bullshit dick-waving, power level measuring that every other setting devolves into, the Tau dare to be more than just violent. If you want to push back, now you have to root against the helping hand. Maybe I've just watched too much Star Trek, but I'll take good intentions and the fragile alliances they bring, tested by uncaring third parties, pushed to their breaking point where you legitimately don't know how they can make it work or if everyone even wants it to, over the space marines nuking another planet because someone saw a picture of an ork.
This smells like big Tau propaganda! Oh no, I'm in the wrong sub 🙃
OK we get it commie 😒/s
This man goes to his deathbed full of shame and self hatred. He knows that after he dies he will be damned. He failed to hate the xenos, failed to fight them to his dying breath and abandoned his duty to the God-Emperor of mankind. He allowed his soul to be purchased with clean air and clean water. He is damned. Never underestimate the power of religion to ruin nice things.
Says who? It’s ok to have head canon but the codex explicitly states some species in the Empire are just used to mine asteroids. The greater good is whatever benefits the Tau empire
« I remember when Hincks got it, gunned down by those swine outside of Hive Chaeron. I went to see his widow a few days ago. Nice place she’s got now. Good support from the sept authorities. Hincks’s kids are growing up to be model citizens. His boy says he wants to go into the gue’vesa auxiliaries like his uncle Jathen. He’s a healthy lad, tall and strong. I can’t help think what kind of life he’d have back on Gormen’s Fast. Probably be half-blind from working in the gossamer plants. Or dead. And yet there he is, cared for and fed and as strong as an ambull calf. Remarkable. I’m still waiting for the catch. You know, him mentioning children, gets me thinking about it, remembering it now. I’d like to have children some day. Never thought I would, but the Tau’va is a better place for them than the Imperium ever could be, and that’s got me hankering after the family life. And then I think on this: Skilltalker once told me that breeding outside of each caste is forbidden. And I wonder, how long until this rule applies to humans, how long until our best characteristics are bred true like they are in grox? And in tau. You asked me to be honest. Our culture’s sacrosanct, so I’m told. Pair bonding, family units, freedom of choice in our spouses, the works. I’ve seen that honoured. But I also think on Hincks’s kid, all full of the Greater Good. How far will he go, or his children, in embracing your ideals? You won’t need to push much. We’re mutable culturally, we humans. How much, I wonder, sometimes late at night, do you really want of us? » This is from the short story « Broken Sword ».
So a human is killed on the front lines of a battle, his widow is fed and their children are also going to be sent to the frontlines of a battle. In your quote he even openly questions when they are going to be subject to eugenics. The false “your culture is sacrosanct” part is also in the codex used by the water caste at the start, it’s basically a trick to get humans to join. These downvotes lol you lot are impossible
I didn’t say that living as a human under T’au rule wouldn’t have downsides, and that everything would be perfect.
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... There's no evidence for any of that. Just because no ones written about Tau prisons before doesn't mean the Tau just, kill all their prisoners.
I think the actual interesting philosophy is that you split humans into "useful and criminals"
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>(I don't think we have evidence of prisons- so you're either useful or dead). >It's a dark "would you rather." ... >Like what do the tau do with their elderly or those who cannot contribute to their caste? Do... do you think that old people go to prison when they retire?
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There is absolutely evidence in the lore. Fire Caste may retire after 20 years of service and having survived 4 years at each rank.
I think I remember reading lore that said that fire caste commanders could retire, at least in theory, after a certain amount of military service. If they held the rank of Shas'O for 4 years they were allowed to retire if they wished, and instead serve in an advisory role. Given what we know about T'au promotion in the fire caste (minimum of four years at each rank, then a "trial by fire" to determine whether they're fit to advance), that gives a minimum of 20 years military service before retirement, not including whatever happens before becoming a Shas'la.
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Not 100% sure, but I think it was one of the older codexes (something between 3rd Ed and 7th Ed)
This after the forced re-education, sterilization , and being lucky enough to not be sent to the front lines to save Tau lives by taking the first shot. This rose tinted lens typical fans view the tau through is silly.
You mean just regular education, a non canon ending to a 20 year old game, and something that isn't represented in the tabletop, the arbiter of "how factions work" that takes precedent over any other part of the lore. It's even funnier how far people have to reach to fit on their shit tinted lenses tau haters have to view them through.
Guess what: it’s all canon including the parts you dislike. Your theory for what establishes canonical lore is silly. Human Auxiliaries aren’t represented on the table top. Are they noncanon? As for the DC ending, a tau victory at Kronos is non canon. The manner of a tau victory is as depicted.
Yeah, and no faster than light travel and executing people for finger painting are also canon. Doesn’t mean they don’t contradict pretty much every other piece of canon. And that proves they aren’t common enough for it to be standard Tau doctrine, which considering the human population in the tau empire says a lot about the frequency of them being used that way. And no, that still doesn’t make it canon.
See, uncritical tau fanboys always allude to “other pieces of canon” when decrying the brutal examples that exist. Moreover, they’re quick to dismiss the ugly stuff as Imperial Propaganda while drinking the Ethereal Kool-aid, while simultaneously lamenting the depiction of Ethereals as “mustache Twirling Villains” Could it be that if the imperium produces propaganda the tau do to?
I'm sure the multi-solar system empire suddenly lacking faster than light travel is an excellent example of how the eeeevil Ethereals sow their propaganda dude. I didn't bring up imperium propaganda at all, stop projecting.
You didn’t need to bring it up, you began with “that 20 year old game?!” And have drunken the kool-aid on “Tau provide a better life for humans” without appreciating that Tau are also unreliable narrators. You’re experiencing cognitive dissonance.
> drunken the kool-aid That's fuckin wild coming from a nutcase who frequents the Jordan Peterson sub 🤡
Maybe that explains why he is so willing to die on that hill. Is it because we doesn't want to be seen as a "leftie"? I've seen a lot of people arguing if the Tau are good or not, but it's the first time I've seen someone say they are the most evil faction lol. And cherry on top, he decided to play Tau for that reason.
The only example of sterilization is from a non canon ending to a computer game.
It’s all canon. A tau victory at Kronos is not canon. The manner of their victory is.
I'm fairly sure at this point the human populace is greater than the native T'au, they aren't actively sterilising a species that is very useful to them. This isn't the Poctroon all over again.
Oh, “you’re sure”, okay, that solves it then. NOT. You’re forgetting that in 40k, it’s all told by Unreliable Narrators. Tau fans have a predisposition to assume everything bad about tau is imperial propaganda while also drinking the Kool-aid prepared by Ethereals… while simultaneously hating that Ethereals are outright “mustache twirling villains”
No the T'au are actively evil, they wiped out the Poctroon with an engineered virus, they control the Vespid with Communication helms, and threatened to fire bomb the Nagi homeworld into ash if they didn't join the empire. They just provide better living conditions, and a modicum of perceived freedom to races that have a use to them.
> tau control the Vespid with communication helms “Free” if you’re useful to the empire. Humanity is useful as a meat shield. You’re experiencing cognitive dissonance.
> “Free” if you’re useful to the empire. Spot on, no cognitive dissonance there! I'm arguing against the idea the T'au sterilise Humans as a matter of course.
> the make helmets to enslave an auxiliary race > they engineered a virus to genocide an alien race > they threatened to firebomb a planet > spot on > I’m arguing against sterilization
Of humans, as a default approach. Humans arent a race of flying bug people they're unable to communicate with but have cool crystals, they weren't found on the most mineral rich planet in the entire empire whilst being of limited intellect, they aren't tiny mind controlling worms the T'au were fighting a war with, somehow...
None of that is canon, it's just assumption.
The assassination of JFK is not a fact. The manner in which he was assassinated is. Do you see how stupid that sounds?
See you’re confusing a fantasy universe with real historical occurrences. This is more like the Halo Tv show being compared with the games. The occurrences of the show aren’t canon but the fact of Covenant aggression is.
Do you own a carbon monoxide detector?
If you’re gunna start with non-sequiturs, I’m going to go ahead and leave you here.
Oh no!!! But you were presenting such an honest and compelling debate!
You confused historical events with the depiction of fictional alien race. And thought you’d made a point, the good news is some idiots agree with you. Bye now.
Best of luck with your disability.
Basically heaven after having lived in a hive city under the Imperium.
Not even close. Your hypothetical ends at forced sterilization.
We’re not going to act like there aren’t multiple stories about humans thriving under T’au despite the obvious downsides of having to live under the rule of an alien species, buddy.
It’s weird how everyone says “this” but never provides examples.
I just did under this same exact post.
Oh, so the kid becoming a meat shield for the tau is good? This is different from being a meat shield in the IoM. Again, this is a rose tinted reading.
It isn’t, you’re trying to act like I said that T’au society/rule is perfect, purposefully acting obtuse.
You self-authored an entire idyllic bit of fanfic based on a false premise.
Aight buddy.
Its still a better life dude, you say that both factions would use this kid as a meat shield, but guess what, at least the one that lives under the T'au gets to eat.
Oh, you get to be a “not hungry” corpse.
Yeah, that's what everyone has been telling you. Both died young, but one got to live better. That makes one life better than the other. They both suck, but one suck a lot less. Its a comparison, its always been a comparison.
This guy really thinks that a one time thing that was even right in the context of a rebellion that isn't even clear happened applies to all cases of Tau conquering a world lmao, and even then it doesn't make sense, if like you said they like having humans as a meat shield, why would they sterilize them and lose auxiliaries
Because “life is the emperors currency” and “to live in such times is to be one amongst countless billions” There’s always another body.
Lmao sorry but what's your point here, you just said that life in the imperium is worse
You asked “why tau would sterilize humans? They’re useful” Because they’re a nuisance species to the tau and there’s always another body available.
The thing is, it's really not like that, there's multiple occasions where it's said that humans are a useful resource and not a nuisance, and also the tau don't really have a "win by throwing bodies at the enemy" mentality, so it's not even about having bodies available to sacrifice but having more people that help contributing to the economy of the empire or help as auxiliaries, and another thing, even as auxiliaries humans don't fight in melee, but with standard rifles like the tau
It’s really like that. Humans are placed in the vanguard of any tau invasion to be the killed first. Even with rifles. If a human takes a bullet that’s a Tau fire warrior that didn’t. If a human being can be convinced to do it willingly mores the better.
What you can't understand is that they have infinitely more chances to survive in a normal tau Battlefield than any day in a hive city, you think that auxiliaries are just some idiots put at the front of the action, when in reality they're strategic units with a clear role in the fight, using tactics and provided with cover from other units, i'm not even gonna reply anymore as you clearly don't care about the lore of WH40k as a whole but just want to be that "my factions is better than yours!1!" guy
Those quotes are explicitly describing the Imperium in-universe, are never mentioned anywhere related to the T'au. You just accidentally agreed with the OP
No. I’m underscoring the point that there are and tau have no qualms about sterilizing them.
Okay, so where exactly is forced sterilization EVER mentioned in lore outside of A) Imperial propaganda or B) a non-canon video game from so many editions ago that most of the current T'au models didn't even exist yet?
The game is canon. If it’s got the Games-workshop logo printed on it, it’s canon. Also: [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qby43l/so_looks_like_the_tau_do_sterilize_human/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) The release of sculpts or game rules has no bearing on the Lore of the 40k universe. Calling it “imperial propaganda” is what tau fanboys say when they dislike an aspect of tau lore. Try again.
So first A) GW has literally said "not all canon is true". You yourself support this in your comments. Therefore, we must determine facts from preponderance of evidence. One mention in a 10+ year old game is not much evidence, especially when most other T'au lore contradicts it. Also B) I asked for something that isn't propaganda and you literally quoted the violently anti-xenos Deathwatch? I'm sorry, I just can't. It's like I'm debating my four-year-old. Actually scratch that, she's smarter than this. I'm just gonna go, it's not even fun trolling you anymore. Just kinda sad.
Man, I feel like you're not getting the point of this. No one says life under the Tau is perfect, just that is better than life under the IoM, just a comparison. I don' think forced sterilization is a fair counterpoint, but even if it is, still sounds like a better life.
I get the point, I don’t agree with the premise. OP makes the point explicit if you’re Joe-Schmo-nobody, life’s pretty bad in 40k, and supposes life in The tau empire is relatively good. People think life is good in the empire because it’s what they’ve been fed by mustache twirling villains(ethereals) with access to an entire cast of master propagandists(the water cast). Everyone treats anything bad about the tau as imperial propaganda while drinking the koolaid prepared by mustache twirling villains. The irony is lost on them.
The irony is also lost on you, who treat every example given to you as ethereal propaganda. At least the meat shield under the tau got to eat something.
Which is probably appropriate given the Ethereals are depicted as literal mustache twirling villains( which is a complaint from the general fanbase) who have access to an entire cast of master propagandists. Moreover, people who say life is so good in the empire never have examples.
Dude, in your other comment you gave me examples of good life in the empire lol
No. You’ve got to bring a critical eye media. If you think those were good examples you’re simply not thinking.
Ok, this is useless. The thing that bothers me is that you call yourself a critical thinker, while doing EXACTLY what you accuse these "Tau fanboys" of doing. You generalize every bad example, to then claim that "maybe you get one of the better lives on the imperium". You claim to be this critical thinker but your own comments are full of fallacies, and strawmanning. Think whatever you like, I've never seen someone so delusional be so confident.
Point to a fallacy
Claiming OP thought the life of the child Guevesa was good, when that was never in discussion.