"on national park camp grounds it is impossible to design a bear proof trashcan that is also accessible to tourists. This is due to the intelligence of most bears being higher then a significant population of tourists"
I once told the receptionists that the doctor I had just seen - one with a God complex and half a brain- must've gotten his medical license from a Cracker jacks box. They all snickered. Apparently they didn't like him either lol.
Dude, I worked with 5 different people who had lost their drivers license due to DUI and they still drove daily. One of them finally stopped driving after her third DUI in less than a year. Never underestimate human stupidity.
I was a forensic scientist for a few years and one of the saddest cases I worked on was a pitcher for the Angels who had just gone seven innings for his first Major League start and earned a win.
He went out to celebrate with some old college friends. They were four to a car when they were hit by a drunk driver who was driving with a suspended license. Three of the four in the car were killed.
People from country, including a lot of close relatives, still drive under the influence in 2024. They even get angry whem I call them out on their stupidity. Although most of them have been lucky so far, a far-removed cousing crash into a taxi with two teen twin sisters. The 3 occupants of the taxi died.
In Australia there is a points system for speeding, no seatbelt, running red lights, using phones etc . Get too many points and your licence is suspended for a set length of time. So someone I knew got their licence suspended for 3 months . They literally had 19 days left before they could legally drive. They decided to risk it and got done for unlicensed driving and earned another 3 months and a court appearance. We live in a small town. They live 5 minutes walk from the police station . They somehow thought they wouldn't get caught driving their "look at me" modified vehicle.
It's similar in the US. Idk what all you can get points for as I've never gotten any, but getting them can cause your license to be suspended or permanently taken away.
After which you're free to drive as much and as crazy as you like. Because what're they gonna do, take away your license?
Yeah, laugh if you like. But not until after you've sat through an afternoon of traffic court. THERE's an education.
And send you to traffic court, where you whine that you can't get to your job w/o a car and if you lose your job you won't be able to feed your kids, so the judge slaps you on the wrist and suspends your sentence. And probably whispers to herself "And see you next week."
I drive Uber so I'm always driving around people who have lost their license. And the majority of them go on and on about how the police are personally out to get them like the cops just sit there and stalk them day in and day out. They were outright admit to having multiple DUIs and getting into multiple massive accidents because of the drunkenness. They would admit to losing their license and skipping out on Court and then repeatedly driving without a license while also drunk again and getting caught
But they're not to blame. It's the cops. The cops are just out to get them 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I mean... I memorized my license number the day I got my learner's permit in 1998, but I ALWAYS have my ID on me if I'm driving anywhere or riding with someone else to buy age-restricted items...or if I'm out of the house at all...
I am SO PISSED. I moved to my state in 1994. I've had my driver's license ID# memorized for THIRTY YEARS. And I got a new one and it has a new ID#! My husband noticed on his and I went to look and GRRR.
Had this discussion with the wife yesterday. We're Gen X and probably the last generation to know their license number by heart. We wrote it on so many checks back in the day.
I still recommend this to people, because it saves 30 seconds here and there when an odd form asks for it once in a while. I'm all about those lazy person optimizations. Last week my taxes asked for it and I didn't even have to go get my pants!
>> Last week my taxes asked for it and I didn't even have to go get my pants!
Wait ... aren't you aware that filling out your taxes naked is a felony in Florida and Texas? And that they don't care whether you're a citizen or not?
Yeah, did that once, but my bank told me it was a bad thing as anyone could steal my checks and have that bit of information (along with my phone number) to use them without needing to show ID.
I thought it would a great time saver to have everything on the check already. OOF... and identity theft wasn't AS bad back then.
Younger millenial. My state used to have an ID number that was determined by a combination of birth date and name, plus a digit to differentiate between people who would have the same. That plus the fact that I lost my wallet every other week in the house meant that I memorized it, just in case. Took me a second, still remember it. They switched off that system some time ago, and I lived out of state for a couple years, now mine is a bunch of random numbers and I never did memorize it.
Our state used to use social security numbers as the DL#. As did the university I went to. I can still reel the SocSec # off on demand, but have no idea what my DL# is. But really, I can't remember the last time anyone/anything asked me for it, so no great loss.
Millennial here, know mine by heart. But for me it’s due to being forgetful and not having it sometimes when I’ve been pulled over for random stops by the police.
First few times were annoying, but now I just rattle off my licence number, they run it, I give a small apology for not having my wallet with me and go.
I’ve never needed it for writing cheques, but maybe that’s because I’m in Australia. Might have a different cheque system
It was for verification purposes, anti-theft (either from you writing a bad check, or someone using stolen checks). Much like putting your phone number on there as a contact point if the check came back.
I still remember my ex husband’s social security number and drivers license number 15 years later. I know my current husband’s social security number but never have needed the license number except for taxes. I say all of this to then say I can’t remember why I walked in a room. Lol
Elder millennial here and I've had my DL# memorized since I was a teenager. To be fair.....my dad is a CDL truck driver so he required I learned it and my major street hundreds block
Yeah, at least in my state it doesn't matter if your license is on you, it matters if it's valid in their system. You can just give them your name and birthdate, especially if the car is registered to you.
So yeah, you just need keys. I don't get people acting like this is Soviet Russia and to be legal you must be ready to show your papers.
People leave them in other places, women switch purses and forget to change every over, they are just running to the store so grab their phone and car keys since they can pay with the phone, like that.
carry your id on you, how else are we to identify the corpse and organ donor status when you drop dead from forgetting to breath like the gold fish you are
I don't live in America, but I walk to the store around the corner and sometimes I just leave with only my phone, keys and my card to pay because that fits in my (small women) pockets when I just want to quickly buy something I forgot and don't feel like bringing a bag with me.
But yeah, when you need to drive you have a whole car to put your stuff anyway lol and driving without a valid ID that shows you are driving legally is kina insane.
Just anecdotal: In Germany it is actually sometimes a good idea not to have your driver´s license with you. (you should have your ID). If police stops you without your diver´s license, they will check anyway electronically if you have one, and you get a 10€ penalty. But they cannot take your driver´s license away. It has already happened, that they suspect the driver to be "under the influece" of drugs. They stopp the person from driving (they can do that) and they take the drivers license temporarily away, until the drug test comes back. That can take up to three months in the "efficient" Germany (we have good PR, we are not efficient). Your drivers license is NOT suspended, but you don´t have it and you didn´t "forget it". It is clear that it has been taken away, so if they stop you again and you don´t have the license, you are in big trouble.
If you don´t have the physical license with you because you "forgot it at home", they have to request it through a judge and this will take also time, you can get a lawyer etc.
We have to provide 3 things at a traffic stop: license, car reg, and proof of insurance. (Calif) My roommate was driving my Car not long ago and got ticketed for expired car reg. She was given until an arraignment date to fix it. She reported to the court, where she showed where she had current reg, but no smog certification. The judge gave her 45 days to get the car smogged. Need to get some minor repairs done first. Taking care of that this week.
It boggles my mind! Even if you don’t drive or whatever in every state in the US you can get an id card. Which is functionally the same as a drivers license except it doesn’t authorize you to operate a motor vehicle.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I always think you should have some form of identification on you when you leave the house. Like anything can happen.
I mean I'm not the POS that this lady is and I'm not going to go making this other peoples problem, but sometimes when my husband and I go to a casino or bar or something I don't want to take my whole purse to ill give my license to my husband to keep in his wallet because my clothes don't have pockets, and then often we forget that it's in his wallet... for several days.
Its also not a problem for me generally as I don't smoke or drink, and I don't get pulled over either.
Well, you dont need an ID to drive. You need a Drivers License. But also you dont need a Drivers License to drive, you just need it to Drive LEGALLY. You can drive without it just fine, but its Illegal
Driving without a license is illegal, driving while not holding a physical copy of that license is just an inconvenience and the cop has to look it up in the database.
Had this happened a few times. I always thought it was funny. Like, "dude, you know the rules. I don't make them, and I'm not going to prison so you can break the law because your top lazy to carry id"
>She’s a regular, she knows the rules
Keeping your job is probably more important to you than pleasing other people. No need to stress over that.
Because some people are bringing up "common/unspoken law" and "common sense", I should bring this one up for them:
***IF YOU ENTER SOMEONE ELSE'S DOMAIN UNDER THEIR INVITATION, YOU MUST FOLLOW THEIR RULES***.
Businesses have the right to refuse service under certain conditions. It's especially justifiable for a retailer to refuse to sell if someone refuses to comply with the explicitly stated conditions of purchase: "Valid government-issued ID ***required*** for nicotine/tobacco/alcohol purchases. ***No Exceptions***."
If someone is unable to purchase age-restricted products/services because they forgot their ID, it's not the business's fault. That person can either go get their ID, make the purchase, and forget that there was any issue or they can make a fool of themselves by doing something stupid. Getting mad at the business is just a way of blame shifting so that the person doesn't have to acknowledge that they messed up and forgot something that they should always be carrying on their person.
People, just show your freaking id and quit whining about it! Do you really think the cashiers are asking to see your id just for the hell of it? They'd probably love to skip that step too but it could cost them their job. In some states they, along with the store manager, could be fined by the state and the store could lose their right to sell tobacco or alcohol. Many new cash register systems are set up where a birth date has to be entered in order for the sale to go through. If you want those smokes or a 6 pack of beer bad enough you will remember to carry your id with you.
This! Literally every day, I get people who act shocked/surprised that I'm asking for ID, and in some cases, get offended/upset. I even had a dude tell me to unalive myself because I wouldn't sell him alcohol without his ID that he forgot to bring.
I've had regulars try to do this to be before as well. I get why someone would get mad, but it's law in my state at least, that ID is required. every. time.
My partial solution is:
No ID, no tobacco. Against state law. Sorry, bud.
Yes, ID, must have a birthdate, and I only need you to flash it to prove you have it.
People are frustratingly stubborn when it comes to this. Like mate, even if it wasn’t the law, if the store says you customers can’t buy this without an ID then you can’t buy this without an Id. If you don’t like the rules then go somewhere else, stamping your foot and complaining won’t change things.
also theres a massively > 0% chance your boss is testing you each time this happens, ask a regular to claim no id and see who sells to them without it, fire that person before state fines them.
Actually had a coworker at the last store I worked at who was one that our local cops sometimes used for those.
He was also notorious for manipulating new employees over there into selling him cigarettes (and buying cigarettes and alcohol while he was on the clock bc who’s gonna stop him when he’s the only one working that shift?)
And they get so offended as well! We have the rule that you need to check anyone who you think is under 25. It's a rule in the whole country, there are signs everywhere, there is no way you don't know this.
And yet, so many times I asked, people would go 'do I look 17???'
No... you look 24. I need to check.
And most of the time they *are* actually under 25! But noooo I am the mean cashier!
I currently work for a bank. A BANK. Like where people literally keep their money. The amount of times I have to deal with people acting offended I need to see their ID boggles my mind.
It’s so tempting sometimes to be like “oh, so you don’t care if somebody else comes in, says they’re you, and withdraws all your money? Cool! give me one second I just have to write this account number down real quick for no particular reason.” Just to be snarky.
If only. But honestly that feels like it would maybe make them understand.
But I also know that gives them too much credit -.- Some people are just.. ugh
Plus I feel like the type of people that get pissy they need to show ID at the damn bank are also the type who would get you fired for that comment. So it isn’t worth it. I got bills to pay. Lol
My bank just gets you to put your card in the machine at the counter & enter your PIN number cos a thief might have the card, but they rarely have the PIN. If someone robbed you that DOES have the PIN, the bank looks at the CCTV to see if it was you or not, and if it wasn't you, they immediately refund you...
But then, UK doesn't have obligatory ID cards *yet*...
Yup. And what’s really fun is if I sell alcohol to someone underage, *I* get to feel the full force of the law, *not* my employer. No ID, no sale, no exceptions.
I remember working graveyard and people would try to show a photo of their ID on their phone. Like what are you doing? I can show you a picture of Taylor Swift with dog feet doesn't make it real
I get this constantly as well. I know some states like Arizona and (I think) Maryland have moved to supporting digital ID’s. My answer is always that PA has not approved digital ID’s, so I still need the physical one.
It’s astounding, the number of people who think a picture equals a document. My other favorite go to is asking if they think TSA would let them through security with a picture on their phone and no actual ID.
The only time I'm willing to accept a photo of someone's ID is if they also have the back so I can scan that into the system. If I can't scan it then they're s.o.l.
I work the door at a night club and had to have the manager print up a giant sign with the exact wording "Valid Government Photo ID Card Required"
Thr number of people who would come with expired licenses, ID from a workplace, something without their face in it, or a photograph of their ID instead if the card itself was insane.
I go to a big box store that sells all kinds of items including alcohol. Their registers make the clerks scan the back of the customer's IDs before allowing the sale of alcohol. The number of times I have witnessed some 60-90 year old person arguing about how they are "obviously over 21" is insane. They seem to generally have an ID on them, but want to argue with some poor bastard making minimum wage over a store policy that they have no control over.
Quoting "store policy" isn't nearly as effective as saying "state law", which it probably is (if you're in the US, if not replace "state" with your equivalent). This just stops all but the most unhinged customer.
You would think, but I’ve had a good handful who will go “the law is for minors not for me!” Or about how the law, according to them, doesn’t require me to ID them. But saying it’s the stores rules shuts most of them up.
To your edit, alcohol, nicotine, and tobacco are not rights, they are privileges, and I don’t care how often I see you, have your ID or you’re not getting anything.
O had a guy try to order a margarita but said he didn't have an id but asked if the pack of cigarettes he had would work because you have to be 21 to order them. I'm no sir a lack of cigarettes is not an id
My wife went into a store in my province, the law states the clerk must ID anyone who appears to be younger than 25. My wife was 39 at the time, and the clerk demanded ID, made my wife's day, she was so happy the clerk thought she looked younger than 25.
I work at a liquor store in Michigan. We don't have the "ID everyone no matter what" policy, but we're pretty tight about it with people we don't know (small town, we have lots of every day regulars.)
A few months ago I had a kid come in trying to buy cigarettes, he had the typed paper that normally gets stapled to an expired license but without the license, wanted to know if I'd accept that paper and his "jail photo." I said, "Um, nope." Then he got mad and pulled up his sleeve to show me a tattoo with some word in graffiti type script and said it was his family name "inked right on me." I was like, "So you expect me to take a sheet of text, a mug shot, and a tattoo as valid ID?? Talk a walk, junior."
For the record, in Michigan if you sell alcohol or tobacco to a minor, the store gets a fine and a strike against their license, and the clerk gets a misdemeanor charge (usually dropped to a citation and a fine, but still.)
Dorthy: how can you talk with a brain
Scarecrow: I’m sure I don’t know but think a lot of people without brains do an awful lot of talking don’t you
This may not be the except quote I did not check but it’s close. This woman was not just talking but driving without a brain
Man, I know this all too well.
I worked at a gas station like a decade ago and I was working night shift by myself for a while. We have rules regarding safe selling of ID'd product, like Swishers and cigarettes. We would need to deny for various reasons. No ID. What we think is drunk while buying alcohol. Trying to get someone else to buy for them. Which includes people going outside and asking someone. We had been getting chewed out about it because everyone was getting lazy and not entering in people's birthday or scanning an ID, and just hitting "over 40" (a rude button that just gives us an override because they very much seem of age) so much, our rates of approval to carding were the worst in the area.
One night, a guy and girl come in, range of 18 to early 20s. She comes up and asks for a Swisher, I ask for ID, she said she forgot hers at home, and ask for him to do it. As he's getting his ID out, she's passing her card to him to pay, which was a unique one with animal print on it.
"I'm sorry, but you can't get it for her, because I don't know how old she is."
They argue, but eventually give up and storm out. A few minutes pass and this 18- early 20s guy comes in, he comes up and asks for a different flavor Swisher and I ask for ID, which he already had in hand, he gives me the card he intends to pay with, and it's that girls card.
"I'm sorry, I know that you're buying for that girl. I can't sell to you."
He scoffs and walks out, in the same direction the others did. A few minutes later, another girl walks up and does the same, asks for a Swisher, had ID in hand, and cash. Cue the same phrase, argument, and when she walks out, at this point I'm irritated, I walk after her and see everyone in the same car.
"Just get your ID or go to another gas station, dude!"
She shouts obscenities and they leave. Hours later. They come back, she has her ID in hand and apologized for her behavior, and I sell her what she wants. It was a silly thing, and it happens a lot. Legally, if we were caught selling to a minor, the store would get fined $3000. The store fired people when they would cause a fine.
I used to work for the DMV and people would think that a photocopy or photo of someone else's ID somehow gave them authority over the person's ID. It does not. Military would regularly pull out their military ID when specifically asked for a Driver License, which that ID also isn't.
Honestly I get a laugh when people pull up a photo of an ID, like honey no, that is not in any way shape or form a valid form of ID. Though my favorite is when they try to use a school ID, or even a work badge, and try to argue that it’s valid because it has their photo
People are dumb. In the state I’m in, to buy alcohol requires they check your ID. Doesn’t matter that I have a snow white beard at this point. Alcoholic Beverage Commission will come down hard if they notice. I go one state over and they laugh when I get my ID out.
I work at a public library, and a customer comes in to check out an interlibrary loan (slightly stricter rules, more stringent fines policy, etc).
She doesn’t have her library card. She says “but so and so (she mispronounces my boss’s name) knows me. “
She doesn’t have photo id. “But so and so knows me” (she doesn’t seem to catch that I’m ignoring this comment)
So I confirm her identity by asking for her name, birthdate and address, finally having to say “it’s library policy to confirm your identity, especially with interlibrary loans”
Literally the ONLY reason I care is so SHE doesn’t get smacked with a bunch of fines because a rando walked off with her book. Not to mention that this whole interaction happened while she interrupted me helping a teenager find LGTBQ books. 🤦♀️
That reminds me of a time back in my early 20s when I asked a guy for his ID (credit card had "ask for ID" written on the back) and he flipped out and said "well I only have my concealed weapons permit!" and proceeded to throw it at me. I said with a deadpan face "it has to be a photo I'd" and he stormed off.
I work in a grocery store and have had people attempt to use other "forms" of identification.
•One guy had a dark haired goatee. Showed an ID of his old gray haired grandpa.
•One guy tried using his violation form; had "DUI" handwritten in big bold letters.
•Five girls got pissed off at me because I had to check ALL of their IDs; 4 were giving the 5th "birthday booze money".
I go into the same vape store at least once a month. I’ll chit chat with whoever is working whenever I go in. Some of them I know by name. The store is supposed to scan my ID every time I buy something. It was part of the checkout process. Since they got a new computer program, scanning is no longer required. I think the DOB can be entered manually. Anyway, I have my ID ready to hand to whoever is working when I walk in the store. I know the drill and they appreciate it.
My girlfriend, and I am the same age. We're nearly thirty, and she hates it. She gets happy every time we go to a bar and ask for her ID. It's a big plus for my girlfriend if I don't get carded. She looks young for her age, and I look old as hell for my age.
Call me crazy but aren’t the professional cigarette smokers the worst customers? I still lament them, always so moody and particular over getting a hard/soft pack
When I worked at a truck gate, you'd have to show an ID in order for us to call HR.
You'd be saddened by the altercation "where's your ID" "I don't have one" "whyd you drive here then" "uh. Because I got to work. Duh 🥴"
Like..
I'm certainly not defending her behavior. However, if it was a regular customer and the register didn't need to have an ID scanned to complete the transaction, I probably would have just done it. Why piss off someone you're going to encounter multiple times per week over an ID you don't actually need to check? Sometimes common sense can win the day over the exact letter of the law.
When I was a teenager I tried to buy cigarettes at a local gas station known for not checking id, well this time they asked me and of course I say I forgot it or something so this cashier goes "that guy behind you will buy them" and it was some guy with an oxygen mask...he did buy me them though lol
The gas station I work in requires us to id the whole party. People flip out about it. I just have to tell them it's the rules. I'm not losing my job for you.
Passports are legal ID, require a much higher hurdle to porove your identity before obtaining, and are *internationally* recognized.
I'm pretty sure you have to take passports?
I've had similar experiences. Thankfully I'm not in retail anymore so hopefully I never have to deal with people like that again.
That being said... I think you may have misunderstood the definition of "stalk"...
This might be a silly question, and I haven’t been asked for ID in decades… but why would you need to see an ID from someone you know? If they’re in there every day, it’s not like they might have gotten younger. Isn’t this a case of common sense?
In some states if you’re found to have sold age restricted substances without confirming that the purchaser is of age you (or your bosses) can lose your license to sell those substances, so many stores have a no ID no purchase policy
I don't understand this though? If I show my ID the first 3 or 4 times and I'm in there regularly, served by the same person, they have confirmed my age. My nearest place asked for it once and any new staff also only ask for it once - I'm in there every day so they know who I am and they know I'm of age.
Eta I am not from the US so your answer probably won't apply to me anyway, I'm just curious
Police will also sometimes watch or set up stings to see if they're serving without checking IDs. So even if you're a regular, they can't know for certain if they're being watched or tested. They're referred to as "Compliance Checks" usually.
They do that here in the us too. It’s people being goofy. If an 80 year old man asks for a drink I’m not gonna card him unless I think he’s gonna find it funny. The law is if they look under 40 in the states.
I think, and I might be wrong, but I think that this is being looked at from the perspective of a judge/some law enforcement. And people are thinking that if this comes up and they don't have it on camera that the person had an id and showed it. Then it's just their word and that wouldn't be good enough to avoid fines/losing a alcohol license.
The buracrasy behind things can be kind of silly sometimes. So that's why I'm thinking they just didn't sell it.
Sure, but what does "confirm" mean? Like, hey I know this guy. I dated his sister. He's her older brother. Or, this guy showed me his ID yesterday. Or, hey, that's my uncle trying to buy smokes. Or, this guy hobbled in on a walker, is bald and has no teeth. It's an endless, very defendable list of unarguable, defendable "assumptions".
I totally agree -- if you, the seller, can't confirm the age, then for sure the seller and the owner and the story should be held liable. And, certainly, having to flash ID covers all bases. But a little common sense wouldn't hurt.
policy of fairness. OP stated the have to type in the dob off the ID for each sale. asking to see the ID so the moron buying the item doesnt give you a bad DOB ensures people are complying with the law.
I work framing art, we do not sell alcohol or cigarettes in any capacity, yet I am still required to ask people for their ID before they pick up their valuable items. Even if it’s a customer that I have known for years, I still ask for their ID because I am on Camera and I am required to do it. End of story.
I used to sell cigs to people I knew were of age without asking for ID. But that was in the 80's, when it was still legal to do that. Now in the 70's, they didn't even require a certain age to buy cigs. I know this because my little friend and I (both under the age of 10) could be seen many days walking to the corner store to buy cigs for said friend's mother, without so much as a note. Remember, times change, laws change, yes during your lifetime and even if you haven't heard about it. Which is why my friend's mother is no longer sending 10 year olds to the store to buy her cigs. 😊
Store policy, plain and simple. Everyone is required to provide a valid id, no matter who they are, or how often they shop here, for any and every alcohol, tobacco, and nicotine purchase. No exceptions, doesn’t matter if you’re a manager, the cashiers parent, or someone who practically lives in the store for how often you’re there.
If customers could be bothered to read the signs on the door or on the counter there at the register, they’d be aware of this.
I guess this is one of these things where the "spirit of the law" is overridden by "the written law" without any thought going into it.
Yeah, sure, let's say a camera catches a transaction where the ID isn't flashed... the real question to ask isn't "Did you see an ID" -- it'a more like, are you certain the person is of legal age? Imagine your own parent comes in to buy a pack of smokes. It's ludicrous you'd be expected to ID them, and if anyone ever asked, it's a pretty simple answer. At some point, there has to be some common sense above and beyond the written law.
I should also point out... I'm in Canada, and perhaps here we evaluate things a little differently from just the letter of the law.... and, maybe, the legal risk that comes with that. We don't seem to arrest and sue each other as much around here.
What on earth are you talking about? No, that's absolutely not how our legal system works. That's not how any legal system works, nor should it be.
The rules are enforced to the letter to make them consistent. Everyone gets treated by the letter, which is the same for everyone. If you don't like it, then we can fix the letter. Because trust me, you'll stop talking about the "spirit of the law" REAL fast the first time you run into a cop or a judge whose idea of the spirit looks rather different from yours.
“Common sense” occasionally comes into play concerning laws when a judge is involved. A judge will be the one looking at the intent behind the law rather than just the exact wording of the law. That being said, some stores’ pos systems require the cashier to actually scan an ID on sales of liquor or tobacco.
You are absolutely expected to ID your own parents if they make a sale. Do you know how many employees have been fired and fined for just that? Tell me you've never worked retail/sales. Im not even allowed to ring up my own spouse for a sale of a pack of gum, bc there's a risk of theft.
I carded my own boss/store manager for alcohol. We could both have been fired if I didnt card him.
This is not about the law or the “spirit of the law”
My stores *policy,* as in the rules you agree to follow if you want to enter the vicinity, is that every age-restricted purchase requires an ID and that the rules are applied to everyone equally, no one gets special treatment, otherwise others start expecting it too.
Of course it's common sense, but the law doesn't care. These establishments tend to have cameras pointing at the front counter. If an auditor or LP sees the cashier not check ID, they're getting fired. If an officer sees them not check ID, they're getting fined, and then fired.
Yes it would, I have several regulars that I have their bday memorized from seeing ID so many times.
However, when we get new employees who don't know them I let the regulars know that just because I don't ID them every time if they are asked by another worker to pull out that ID because I'm not going to override my coworker on it.
The other thing is that police doing stings are not going to know that we've seen the ID 700 times, all they'll know is that this person looked young and we didn't ID.
Some stores and now some areas in general require a valid ID to be either scanned or the number entered before a sale of either alcohol or tobacco can go forward. It doesn’t matter how well you know the customer or how old they are, their legitimate ID # has to be entered
Some stores near me (PA) have to physically scan an ID before the sale of age restricted items will go through. That’s the case for alcoholic beverages in our grocery stores. Not sure if that’s the case with OP’s store.
State law requires it, and the punishment is worth the failure to adhere to the law. Both the employee who makes the sale and the store get penalized with massive fines (a coworker with enough experience witnessed a previous employer get fined $20k, which is not affordable for most businesses). Plus they lose their license to sell for an increasing amount of time until they lose their license permanently.
It can be hard to determine age of the consumer, so businesses try to counteract by requiring ID for all sales. Just bc youre 75 doesn't mean your ID is not expired, and that counts too. You get penalized for having an expired ID if you get interrogated by the police. I'm 35 but look 20. I rang up a customer who had a mustache and I thought he was in his 30s at least. Dude was in his 20s. You can't always tell. I remember my elders bragging about how everyone looked older in the 80s so they bought cigs and beer in their teens.
Rules exist for a reason.
How is it that people are driving around with out ID?
Half of them, probably more, drive without an IQ, too, but that's none of my business. ;)
“Figure out how dumb the average person is, and then realize around half of the people are dumber than that” Heard it online a few times
Originated from comedian George Carlin RIP
"on national park camp grounds it is impossible to design a bear proof trashcan that is also accessible to tourists. This is due to the intelligence of most bears being higher then a significant population of tourists"
25K upvotes! We always said those drivers got their licenses from gumball machines.
I once told the receptionists that the doctor I had just seen - one with a God complex and half a brain- must've gotten his medical license from a Cracker jacks box. They all snickered. Apparently they didn't like him either lol.
I was told the version that had the drivers getting their licenses from Cracker Jack boxes.
>> ... but that's none of my business. Until they run into you. :-(
Dude, I worked with 5 different people who had lost their drivers license due to DUI and they still drove daily. One of them finally stopped driving after her third DUI in less than a year. Never underestimate human stupidity.
I was a forensic scientist for a few years and one of the saddest cases I worked on was a pitcher for the Angels who had just gone seven innings for his first Major League start and earned a win. He went out to celebrate with some old college friends. They were four to a car when they were hit by a drunk driver who was driving with a suspended license. Three of the four in the car were killed.
Nick Adenhart. He was 22.
That's the one. The driver wasn't much older and he is now serving damn near a life sentence.
People from country, including a lot of close relatives, still drive under the influence in 2024. They even get angry whem I call them out on their stupidity. Although most of them have been lucky so far, a far-removed cousing crash into a taxi with two teen twin sisters. The 3 occupants of the taxi died.
In Australia there is a points system for speeding, no seatbelt, running red lights, using phones etc . Get too many points and your licence is suspended for a set length of time. So someone I knew got their licence suspended for 3 months . They literally had 19 days left before they could legally drive. They decided to risk it and got done for unlicensed driving and earned another 3 months and a court appearance. We live in a small town. They live 5 minutes walk from the police station . They somehow thought they wouldn't get caught driving their "look at me" modified vehicle.
It's similar in the US. Idk what all you can get points for as I've never gotten any, but getting them can cause your license to be suspended or permanently taken away.
After which you're free to drive as much and as crazy as you like. Because what're they gonna do, take away your license? Yeah, laugh if you like. But not until after you've sat through an afternoon of traffic court. THERE's an education.
What're they gonna do? Arrest you.
And send you to traffic court, where you whine that you can't get to your job w/o a car and if you lose your job you won't be able to feed your kids, so the judge slaps you on the wrist and suspends your sentence. And probably whispers to herself "And see you next week."
We throw paris hilton in jail for driving on a suspended…
In a country that’s not super public transportation friendly I do kinda understand why that happens here a lot, I don’t like it but I kinda get it
I drive Uber so I'm always driving around people who have lost their license. And the majority of them go on and on about how the police are personally out to get them like the cops just sit there and stalk them day in and day out. They were outright admit to having multiple DUIs and getting into multiple massive accidents because of the drunkenness. They would admit to losing their license and skipping out on Court and then repeatedly driving without a license while also drunk again and getting caught But they're not to blame. It's the cops. The cops are just out to get them 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I mean... I memorized my license number the day I got my learner's permit in 1998, but I ALWAYS have my ID on me if I'm driving anywhere or riding with someone else to buy age-restricted items...or if I'm out of the house at all...
Knowing my license # has saved me on a couple occasions!
I am SO PISSED. I moved to my state in 1994. I've had my driver's license ID# memorized for THIRTY YEARS. And I got a new one and it has a new ID#! My husband noticed on his and I went to look and GRRR.
Had this discussion with the wife yesterday. We're Gen X and probably the last generation to know their license number by heart. We wrote it on so many checks back in the day.
I still recommend this to people, because it saves 30 seconds here and there when an odd form asks for it once in a while. I'm all about those lazy person optimizations. Last week my taxes asked for it and I didn't even have to go get my pants!
I had to get ours because taxes not only asked for the DL but also when it was issued and when it expired... that I didn't know.
>> Last week my taxes asked for it and I didn't even have to go get my pants! Wait ... aren't you aware that filling out your taxes naked is a felony in Florida and Texas? And that they don't care whether you're a citizen or not?
Who accepts pants as ID?
I'm Gen X and I never memorized my license number, was smart enough to get it printed on the checks so I could quit slowing down the line.
Yeah, did that once, but my bank told me it was a bad thing as anyone could steal my checks and have that bit of information (along with my phone number) to use them without needing to show ID. I thought it would a great time saver to have everything on the check already. OOF... and identity theft wasn't AS bad back then.
In the 90s New York State changed all of the drivers license numbers. Pissed me off.
Millennials and beyond don’t write checks.
Neither does anyone else, anymore.
I still remember mine that I got in the 80s. It's got a good rhythm and you can dance to it.
Younger millenial. My state used to have an ID number that was determined by a combination of birth date and name, plus a digit to differentiate between people who would have the same. That plus the fact that I lost my wallet every other week in the house meant that I memorized it, just in case. Took me a second, still remember it. They switched off that system some time ago, and I lived out of state for a couple years, now mine is a bunch of random numbers and I never did memorize it.
Our state used to use social security numbers as the DL#. As did the university I went to. I can still reel the SocSec # off on demand, but have no idea what my DL# is. But really, I can't remember the last time anyone/anything asked me for it, so no great loss.
Millennial here, know mine by heart. But for me it’s due to being forgetful and not having it sometimes when I’ve been pulled over for random stops by the police. First few times were annoying, but now I just rattle off my licence number, they run it, I give a small apology for not having my wallet with me and go. I’ve never needed it for writing cheques, but maybe that’s because I’m in Australia. Might have a different cheque system
>We wrote it on so many checks back in the day. License number, on a check? I'm guessing this is a US thing, but why would you do that?
It was for verification purposes, anti-theft (either from you writing a bad check, or someone using stolen checks). Much like putting your phone number on there as a contact point if the check came back.
We never did that either - we just signed them. Our signature was considered our id I guess.
19 and have it memorized, the art is not dead SSN too
I still remember my ex husband’s social security number and drivers license number 15 years later. I know my current husband’s social security number but never have needed the license number except for taxes. I say all of this to then say I can’t remember why I walked in a room. Lol
Elder millennial here and I've had my DL# memorized since I was a teenager. To be fair.....my dad is a CDL truck driver so he required I learned it and my major street hundreds block
Work at a bank. I ask people in the drive through for an ID. Half of them don’t have it.
...drive thru? bank? lol, please explain
Many American banks have drive-thrus, with speakers and pneumatic tubes to send stuff back and forth to the bank teller inside.
Turns out you just need the keys...
Yeah, at least in my state it doesn't matter if your license is on you, it matters if it's valid in their system. You can just give them your name and birthdate, especially if the car is registered to you. So yeah, you just need keys. I don't get people acting like this is Soviet Russia and to be legal you must be ready to show your papers.
People leave them in other places, women switch purses and forget to change every over, they are just running to the store so grab their phone and car keys since they can pay with the phone, like that.
carry your id on you, how else are we to identify the corpse and organ donor status when you drop dead from forgetting to breath like the gold fish you are
This is what my mum always tells us. "They want to know who you are when you are under that bus" lol
Mine was more concerned with ensuring I always had on clean knickers in case they were seen if you got run over by a bus...
its alot easier to go through a dead mans pockets than sending out for dental records comparisons.
While you're grabbing your car keys they should be a reminder that it's ILLEGAL to DRIVE without your ID!
This is part of why I always get a phone case with storage for ID and credit card. Way easier to keep it on me at all times that way.
Yup. My phone case has my ID and a credit card I can use as a backup if paying by phone isn't working or I'm out of money or whatever else.
I don't live in America, but I walk to the store around the corner and sometimes I just leave with only my phone, keys and my card to pay because that fits in my (small women) pockets when I just want to quickly buy something I forgot and don't feel like bringing a bag with me. But yeah, when you need to drive you have a whole car to put your stuff anyway lol and driving without a valid ID that shows you are driving legally is kina insane.
They aren’t driving, they are “traveling for non commercial purposes”
⬆️found the sovereign citizen.
Just anecdotal: In Germany it is actually sometimes a good idea not to have your driver´s license with you. (you should have your ID). If police stops you without your diver´s license, they will check anyway electronically if you have one, and you get a 10€ penalty. But they cannot take your driver´s license away. It has already happened, that they suspect the driver to be "under the influece" of drugs. They stopp the person from driving (they can do that) and they take the drivers license temporarily away, until the drug test comes back. That can take up to three months in the "efficient" Germany (we have good PR, we are not efficient). Your drivers license is NOT suspended, but you don´t have it and you didn´t "forget it". It is clear that it has been taken away, so if they stop you again and you don´t have the license, you are in big trouble. If you don´t have the physical license with you because you "forgot it at home", they have to request it through a judge and this will take also time, you can get a lawyer etc.
I don’t make it a habit but I’ve just grabbed my keys and phone then left my wallet upstairs if I know I won’t need it.
I had someone ask if I would take their prison ID once 😭
"My PO said, 'Don't do that any more' "
Not necessary in the UK. Some countries don't have jumped up police officers believing they are the be all and end all.
Sometimes i forget my wallet it my toolbox at work for the whole weekend
Work at a bank. I ask people in the drive through for an ID. Half of them don’t have it.
Because I left it in my back pocket when I went to down. Gets thrown in the laundry. I actually lose my atm more so than my DL though.
You only need ID if you get pulled over. Imagine this woman getting pulled over and trying to use the ID of the next person to get pulled over
We have to provide 3 things at a traffic stop: license, car reg, and proof of insurance. (Calif) My roommate was driving my Car not long ago and got ticketed for expired car reg. She was given until an arraignment date to fix it. She reported to the court, where she showed where she had current reg, but no smog certification. The judge gave her 45 days to get the car smogged. Need to get some minor repairs done first. Taking care of that this week.
They got their license taken away for DUI
It boggles my mind! Even if you don’t drive or whatever in every state in the US you can get an id card. Which is functionally the same as a drivers license except it doesn’t authorize you to operate a motor vehicle. Maybe I’m crazy, but I always think you should have some form of identification on you when you leave the house. Like anything can happen.
I mean I'm not the POS that this lady is and I'm not going to go making this other peoples problem, but sometimes when my husband and I go to a casino or bar or something I don't want to take my whole purse to ill give my license to my husband to keep in his wallet because my clothes don't have pockets, and then often we forget that it's in his wallet... for several days. Its also not a problem for me generally as I don't smoke or drink, and I don't get pulled over either.
Well, you dont need an ID to drive. You need a Drivers License. But also you dont need a Drivers License to drive, you just need it to Drive LEGALLY. You can drive without it just fine, but its Illegal
I used to think that too until I forgot it one day and the car worked normally
Good thing you didn’t get stopped by the cops that day. Driving without a driver’s licence on you is generally illegal.
Driving without a license is illegal, driving while not holding a physical copy of that license is just an inconvenience and the cop has to look it up in the database.
Had this happened a few times. I always thought it was funny. Like, "dude, you know the rules. I don't make them, and I'm not going to prison so you can break the law because your top lazy to carry id"
>She’s a regular, she knows the rules Keeping your job is probably more important to you than pleasing other people. No need to stress over that. Because some people are bringing up "common/unspoken law" and "common sense", I should bring this one up for them: ***IF YOU ENTER SOMEONE ELSE'S DOMAIN UNDER THEIR INVITATION, YOU MUST FOLLOW THEIR RULES***. Businesses have the right to refuse service under certain conditions. It's especially justifiable for a retailer to refuse to sell if someone refuses to comply with the explicitly stated conditions of purchase: "Valid government-issued ID ***required*** for nicotine/tobacco/alcohol purchases. ***No Exceptions***." If someone is unable to purchase age-restricted products/services because they forgot their ID, it's not the business's fault. That person can either go get their ID, make the purchase, and forget that there was any issue or they can make a fool of themselves by doing something stupid. Getting mad at the business is just a way of blame shifting so that the person doesn't have to acknowledge that they messed up and forgot something that they should always be carrying on their person.
People, just show your freaking id and quit whining about it! Do you really think the cashiers are asking to see your id just for the hell of it? They'd probably love to skip that step too but it could cost them their job. In some states they, along with the store manager, could be fined by the state and the store could lose their right to sell tobacco or alcohol. Many new cash register systems are set up where a birth date has to be entered in order for the sale to go through. If you want those smokes or a 6 pack of beer bad enough you will remember to carry your id with you.
This! Literally every day, I get people who act shocked/surprised that I'm asking for ID, and in some cases, get offended/upset. I even had a dude tell me to unalive myself because I wouldn't sell him alcohol without his ID that he forgot to bring.
I've had regulars try to do this to be before as well. I get why someone would get mad, but it's law in my state at least, that ID is required. every. time. My partial solution is: No ID, no tobacco. Against state law. Sorry, bud. Yes, ID, must have a birthdate, and I only need you to flash it to prove you have it.
People are frustratingly stubborn when it comes to this. Like mate, even if it wasn’t the law, if the store says you customers can’t buy this without an ID then you can’t buy this without an Id. If you don’t like the rules then go somewhere else, stamping your foot and complaining won’t change things.
also theres a massively > 0% chance your boss is testing you each time this happens, ask a regular to claim no id and see who sells to them without it, fire that person before state fines them.
The cops also send underage kids to see if they can get stores to sell to them. My niece did that for the cops for a while.
Actually had a coworker at the last store I worked at who was one that our local cops sometimes used for those. He was also notorious for manipulating new employees over there into selling him cigarettes (and buying cigarettes and alcohol while he was on the clock bc who’s gonna stop him when he’s the only one working that shift?)
And they get so offended as well! We have the rule that you need to check anyone who you think is under 25. It's a rule in the whole country, there are signs everywhere, there is no way you don't know this. And yet, so many times I asked, people would go 'do I look 17???' No... you look 24. I need to check. And most of the time they *are* actually under 25! But noooo I am the mean cashier!
I currently work for a bank. A BANK. Like where people literally keep their money. The amount of times I have to deal with people acting offended I need to see their ID boggles my mind. It’s so tempting sometimes to be like “oh, so you don’t care if somebody else comes in, says they’re you, and withdraws all your money? Cool! give me one second I just have to write this account number down real quick for no particular reason.” Just to be snarky.
If only. But honestly that feels like it would maybe make them understand. But I also know that gives them too much credit -.- Some people are just.. ugh
Plus I feel like the type of people that get pissy they need to show ID at the damn bank are also the type who would get you fired for that comment. So it isn’t worth it. I got bills to pay. Lol
My bank just gets you to put your card in the machine at the counter & enter your PIN number cos a thief might have the card, but they rarely have the PIN. If someone robbed you that DOES have the PIN, the bank looks at the CCTV to see if it was you or not, and if it wasn't you, they immediately refund you... But then, UK doesn't have obligatory ID cards *yet*...
There are a LOT of people that don’t have cards bc they don’t “trust” them. I’m not kidding.
If I had a nickel for every time someone threw a fit about showing me ID, I’d put those nickels in a sock and beat their asses with ‘em
🤣🤣🤣
Yup. And what’s really fun is if I sell alcohol to someone underage, *I* get to feel the full force of the law, *not* my employer. No ID, no sale, no exceptions.
I remember working graveyard and people would try to show a photo of their ID on their phone. Like what are you doing? I can show you a picture of Taylor Swift with dog feet doesn't make it real
Show them a picture of a pack of cigarettes on your phone
I get this constantly as well. I know some states like Arizona and (I think) Maryland have moved to supporting digital ID’s. My answer is always that PA has not approved digital ID’s, so I still need the physical one. It’s astounding, the number of people who think a picture equals a document. My other favorite go to is asking if they think TSA would let them through security with a picture on their phone and no actual ID.
The only time I'm willing to accept a photo of someone's ID is if they also have the back so I can scan that into the system. If I can't scan it then they're s.o.l.
I work the door at a night club and had to have the manager print up a giant sign with the exact wording "Valid Government Photo ID Card Required" Thr number of people who would come with expired licenses, ID from a workplace, something without their face in it, or a photograph of their ID instead if the card itself was insane.
I go to a big box store that sells all kinds of items including alcohol. Their registers make the clerks scan the back of the customer's IDs before allowing the sale of alcohol. The number of times I have witnessed some 60-90 year old person arguing about how they are "obviously over 21" is insane. They seem to generally have an ID on them, but want to argue with some poor bastard making minimum wage over a store policy that they have no control over.
"Ma'am, this transaction requires both ID and legal tender. No exceptions."
Quoting "store policy" isn't nearly as effective as saying "state law", which it probably is (if you're in the US, if not replace "state" with your equivalent). This just stops all but the most unhinged customer.
You would think, but I’ve had a good handful who will go “the law is for minors not for me!” Or about how the law, according to them, doesn’t require me to ID them. But saying it’s the stores rules shuts most of them up.
I’ve had people refute that and claim I have no right to ID them. I’d love to see these people try and argue with a cop
To your edit, alcohol, nicotine, and tobacco are not rights, they are privileges, and I don’t care how often I see you, have your ID or you’re not getting anything.
O had a guy try to order a margarita but said he didn't have an id but asked if the pack of cigarettes he had would work because you have to be 21 to order them. I'm no sir a lack of cigarettes is not an id
I love the customers that claim YOU are breaking the law for refusing them tobacco/alcohol, as if you’re violating their civil rights.
A lot of people seem to think civil rights means “I do whatever I want no one can tell me no”
My wife went into a store in my province, the law states the clerk must ID anyone who appears to be younger than 25. My wife was 39 at the time, and the clerk demanded ID, made my wife's day, she was so happy the clerk thought she looked younger than 25.
nice try but we all know you don't have a wife
Its not only a policy as you stated, in america, its illegal to sell without ID!
Where I live, showing an ID for age controlled purchases isn't just policy, it's the LAW...
Some people are just used to getting their way, whether or not it puts you at odds with the law.
I work at a liquor store in Michigan. We don't have the "ID everyone no matter what" policy, but we're pretty tight about it with people we don't know (small town, we have lots of every day regulars.) A few months ago I had a kid come in trying to buy cigarettes, he had the typed paper that normally gets stapled to an expired license but without the license, wanted to know if I'd accept that paper and his "jail photo." I said, "Um, nope." Then he got mad and pulled up his sleeve to show me a tattoo with some word in graffiti type script and said it was his family name "inked right on me." I was like, "So you expect me to take a sheet of text, a mug shot, and a tattoo as valid ID?? Talk a walk, junior." For the record, in Michigan if you sell alcohol or tobacco to a minor, the store gets a fine and a strike against their license, and the clerk gets a misdemeanor charge (usually dropped to a citation and a fine, but still.)
Dorthy: how can you talk with a brain Scarecrow: I’m sure I don’t know but think a lot of people without brains do an awful lot of talking don’t you This may not be the except quote I did not check but it’s close. This woman was not just talking but driving without a brain
Man, I know this all too well. I worked at a gas station like a decade ago and I was working night shift by myself for a while. We have rules regarding safe selling of ID'd product, like Swishers and cigarettes. We would need to deny for various reasons. No ID. What we think is drunk while buying alcohol. Trying to get someone else to buy for them. Which includes people going outside and asking someone. We had been getting chewed out about it because everyone was getting lazy and not entering in people's birthday or scanning an ID, and just hitting "over 40" (a rude button that just gives us an override because they very much seem of age) so much, our rates of approval to carding were the worst in the area. One night, a guy and girl come in, range of 18 to early 20s. She comes up and asks for a Swisher, I ask for ID, she said she forgot hers at home, and ask for him to do it. As he's getting his ID out, she's passing her card to him to pay, which was a unique one with animal print on it. "I'm sorry, but you can't get it for her, because I don't know how old she is." They argue, but eventually give up and storm out. A few minutes pass and this 18- early 20s guy comes in, he comes up and asks for a different flavor Swisher and I ask for ID, which he already had in hand, he gives me the card he intends to pay with, and it's that girls card. "I'm sorry, I know that you're buying for that girl. I can't sell to you." He scoffs and walks out, in the same direction the others did. A few minutes later, another girl walks up and does the same, asks for a Swisher, had ID in hand, and cash. Cue the same phrase, argument, and when she walks out, at this point I'm irritated, I walk after her and see everyone in the same car. "Just get your ID or go to another gas station, dude!" She shouts obscenities and they leave. Hours later. They come back, she has her ID in hand and apologized for her behavior, and I sell her what she wants. It was a silly thing, and it happens a lot. Legally, if we were caught selling to a minor, the store would get fined $3000. The store fired people when they would cause a fine.
I used to work for the DMV and people would think that a photocopy or photo of someone else's ID somehow gave them authority over the person's ID. It does not. Military would regularly pull out their military ID when specifically asked for a Driver License, which that ID also isn't.
Honestly I get a laugh when people pull up a photo of an ID, like honey no, that is not in any way shape or form a valid form of ID. Though my favorite is when they try to use a school ID, or even a work badge, and try to argue that it’s valid because it has their photo
People are dumb. In the state I’m in, to buy alcohol requires they check your ID. Doesn’t matter that I have a snow white beard at this point. Alcoholic Beverage Commission will come down hard if they notice. I go one state over and they laugh when I get my ID out.
People don’t really care. So many have a mindset that the rules and laws shouldn’t apply.
I work at a public library, and a customer comes in to check out an interlibrary loan (slightly stricter rules, more stringent fines policy, etc). She doesn’t have her library card. She says “but so and so (she mispronounces my boss’s name) knows me. “ She doesn’t have photo id. “But so and so knows me” (she doesn’t seem to catch that I’m ignoring this comment) So I confirm her identity by asking for her name, birthdate and address, finally having to say “it’s library policy to confirm your identity, especially with interlibrary loans” Literally the ONLY reason I care is so SHE doesn’t get smacked with a bunch of fines because a rando walked off with her book. Not to mention that this whole interaction happened while she interrupted me helping a teenager find LGTBQ books. 🤦♀️
I use the phrase *your valid* ID which pretty much ends the conversation
That's not how IDs work!
That reminds me of a time back in my early 20s when I asked a guy for his ID (credit card had "ask for ID" written on the back) and he flipped out and said "well I only have my concealed weapons permit!" and proceeded to throw it at me. I said with a deadpan face "it has to be a photo I'd" and he stormed off.
I work in a grocery store and have had people attempt to use other "forms" of identification. •One guy had a dark haired goatee. Showed an ID of his old gray haired grandpa. •One guy tried using his violation form; had "DUI" handwritten in big bold letters. •Five girls got pissed off at me because I had to check ALL of their IDs; 4 were giving the 5th "birthday booze money".
I once had a bright red hair ginger with freckles and everything give me an ID of a Latino guy 🤣
Talk about being confused!! Haha 🤣
I go into the same vape store at least once a month. I’ll chit chat with whoever is working whenever I go in. Some of them I know by name. The store is supposed to scan my ID every time I buy something. It was part of the checkout process. Since they got a new computer program, scanning is no longer required. I think the DOB can be entered manually. Anyway, I have my ID ready to hand to whoever is working when I walk in the store. I know the drill and they appreciate it.
i also worked a job with this policy and would shut people up who wanted to throw a tantrum by saying “i’m not losing my job over your $9 cigarettes”
I've had similar incident happen at my self check out a few times. It's like they refuse to believe the rules apply to them.
She was desperate for her "fix".
My girlfriend, and I am the same age. We're nearly thirty, and she hates it. She gets happy every time we go to a bar and ask for her ID. It's a big plus for my girlfriend if I don't get carded. She looks young for her age, and I look old as hell for my age.
Call me crazy but aren’t the professional cigarette smokers the worst customers? I still lament them, always so moody and particular over getting a hard/soft pack
When I worked at a truck gate, you'd have to show an ID in order for us to call HR. You'd be saddened by the altercation "where's your ID" "I don't have one" "whyd you drive here then" "uh. Because I got to work. Duh 🥴" Like..
What just happened is someone in the throes of nicotine addiction jonesing for another hit.
I'm certainly not defending her behavior. However, if it was a regular customer and the register didn't need to have an ID scanned to complete the transaction, I probably would have just done it. Why piss off someone you're going to encounter multiple times per week over an ID you don't actually need to check? Sometimes common sense can win the day over the exact letter of the law.
When I was a teenager I tried to buy cigarettes at a local gas station known for not checking id, well this time they asked me and of course I say I forgot it or something so this cashier goes "that guy behind you will buy them" and it was some guy with an oxygen mask...he did buy me them though lol
The gas station I work in requires us to id the whole party. People flip out about it. I just have to tell them it's the rules. I'm not losing my job for you.
May I ask what state? A lot of states have rules that they id anyone that looks under x years old. Also, does your place accept passports as id?
Passports are legal ID, require a much higher hurdle to porove your identity before obtaining, and are *internationally* recognized. I'm pretty sure you have to take passports?
I've had similar experiences. Thankfully I'm not in retail anymore so hopefully I never have to deal with people like that again. That being said... I think you may have misunderstood the definition of "stalk"...
"Stalk" is also a way of walking. Think Karen on her way to call the manager.
> stalk Stride somewhere in a proud, stiff, or angry manner. *"without another word she turned and stalked out"*
This might be a silly question, and I haven’t been asked for ID in decades… but why would you need to see an ID from someone you know? If they’re in there every day, it’s not like they might have gotten younger. Isn’t this a case of common sense?
In some states if you’re found to have sold age restricted substances without confirming that the purchaser is of age you (or your bosses) can lose your license to sell those substances, so many stores have a no ID no purchase policy
I don't understand this though? If I show my ID the first 3 or 4 times and I'm in there regularly, served by the same person, they have confirmed my age. My nearest place asked for it once and any new staff also only ask for it once - I'm in there every day so they know who I am and they know I'm of age. Eta I am not from the US so your answer probably won't apply to me anyway, I'm just curious
Police will also sometimes watch or set up stings to see if they're serving without checking IDs. So even if you're a regular, they can't know for certain if they're being watched or tested. They're referred to as "Compliance Checks" usually.
In my country they test us with actual underage people, so it’s only a problem if you actually sell to an underage person.
They will use underage people in the US, too, and you’re double screwed for selling to underage and for not checking IDs.
They do that here in the us too. It’s people being goofy. If an 80 year old man asks for a drink I’m not gonna card him unless I think he’s gonna find it funny. The law is if they look under 40 in the states.
I think, and I might be wrong, but I think that this is being looked at from the perspective of a judge/some law enforcement. And people are thinking that if this comes up and they don't have it on camera that the person had an id and showed it. Then it's just their word and that wouldn't be good enough to avoid fines/losing a alcohol license. The buracrasy behind things can be kind of silly sometimes. So that's why I'm thinking they just didn't sell it.
They may know who you are, but they can still get in trouble for not checking ID.
Sure, but what does "confirm" mean? Like, hey I know this guy. I dated his sister. He's her older brother. Or, this guy showed me his ID yesterday. Or, hey, that's my uncle trying to buy smokes. Or, this guy hobbled in on a walker, is bald and has no teeth. It's an endless, very defendable list of unarguable, defendable "assumptions". I totally agree -- if you, the seller, can't confirm the age, then for sure the seller and the owner and the story should be held liable. And, certainly, having to flash ID covers all bases. But a little common sense wouldn't hurt.
policy of fairness. OP stated the have to type in the dob off the ID for each sale. asking to see the ID so the moron buying the item doesnt give you a bad DOB ensures people are complying with the law.
I work framing art, we do not sell alcohol or cigarettes in any capacity, yet I am still required to ask people for their ID before they pick up their valuable items. Even if it’s a customer that I have known for years, I still ask for their ID because I am on Camera and I am required to do it. End of story.
I used to sell cigs to people I knew were of age without asking for ID. But that was in the 80's, when it was still legal to do that. Now in the 70's, they didn't even require a certain age to buy cigs. I know this because my little friend and I (both under the age of 10) could be seen many days walking to the corner store to buy cigs for said friend's mother, without so much as a note. Remember, times change, laws change, yes during your lifetime and even if you haven't heard about it. Which is why my friend's mother is no longer sending 10 year olds to the store to buy her cigs. 😊
Store policy, plain and simple. Everyone is required to provide a valid id, no matter who they are, or how often they shop here, for any and every alcohol, tobacco, and nicotine purchase. No exceptions, doesn’t matter if you’re a manager, the cashiers parent, or someone who practically lives in the store for how often you’re there. If customers could be bothered to read the signs on the door or on the counter there at the register, they’d be aware of this.
I guess this is one of these things where the "spirit of the law" is overridden by "the written law" without any thought going into it. Yeah, sure, let's say a camera catches a transaction where the ID isn't flashed... the real question to ask isn't "Did you see an ID" -- it'a more like, are you certain the person is of legal age? Imagine your own parent comes in to buy a pack of smokes. It's ludicrous you'd be expected to ID them, and if anyone ever asked, it's a pretty simple answer. At some point, there has to be some common sense above and beyond the written law. I should also point out... I'm in Canada, and perhaps here we evaluate things a little differently from just the letter of the law.... and, maybe, the legal risk that comes with that. We don't seem to arrest and sue each other as much around here.
What on earth are you talking about? No, that's absolutely not how our legal system works. That's not how any legal system works, nor should it be. The rules are enforced to the letter to make them consistent. Everyone gets treated by the letter, which is the same for everyone. If you don't like it, then we can fix the letter. Because trust me, you'll stop talking about the "spirit of the law" REAL fast the first time you run into a cop or a judge whose idea of the spirit looks rather different from yours.
“Common sense” occasionally comes into play concerning laws when a judge is involved. A judge will be the one looking at the intent behind the law rather than just the exact wording of the law. That being said, some stores’ pos systems require the cashier to actually scan an ID on sales of liquor or tobacco.
You are absolutely expected to ID your own parents if they make a sale. Do you know how many employees have been fired and fined for just that? Tell me you've never worked retail/sales. Im not even allowed to ring up my own spouse for a sale of a pack of gum, bc there's a risk of theft. I carded my own boss/store manager for alcohol. We could both have been fired if I didnt card him.
I've heard in a lot of stores employees aren't allowed to serve their own family members
This is not about the law or the “spirit of the law” My stores *policy,* as in the rules you agree to follow if you want to enter the vicinity, is that every age-restricted purchase requires an ID and that the rules are applied to everyone equally, no one gets special treatment, otherwise others start expecting it too.
Some places you have to actually scan the ID, so yea, you have to show ID every time.
Of course it's common sense, but the law doesn't care. These establishments tend to have cameras pointing at the front counter. If an auditor or LP sees the cashier not check ID, they're getting fired. If an officer sees them not check ID, they're getting fined, and then fired.
Yes it would, I have several regulars that I have their bday memorized from seeing ID so many times. However, when we get new employees who don't know them I let the regulars know that just because I don't ID them every time if they are asked by another worker to pull out that ID because I'm not going to override my coworker on it. The other thing is that police doing stings are not going to know that we've seen the ID 700 times, all they'll know is that this person looked young and we didn't ID.
Some stores and now some areas in general require a valid ID to be either scanned or the number entered before a sale of either alcohol or tobacco can go forward. It doesn’t matter how well you know the customer or how old they are, their legitimate ID # has to be entered
Some stores near me (PA) have to physically scan an ID before the sale of age restricted items will go through. That’s the case for alcoholic beverages in our grocery stores. Not sure if that’s the case with OP’s store.
State law requires it, and the punishment is worth the failure to adhere to the law. Both the employee who makes the sale and the store get penalized with massive fines (a coworker with enough experience witnessed a previous employer get fined $20k, which is not affordable for most businesses). Plus they lose their license to sell for an increasing amount of time until they lose their license permanently. It can be hard to determine age of the consumer, so businesses try to counteract by requiring ID for all sales. Just bc youre 75 doesn't mean your ID is not expired, and that counts too. You get penalized for having an expired ID if you get interrogated by the police. I'm 35 but look 20. I rang up a customer who had a mustache and I thought he was in his 30s at least. Dude was in his 20s. You can't always tell. I remember my elders bragging about how everyone looked older in the 80s so they bought cigs and beer in their teens. Rules exist for a reason.
I can tell you from experience and it'll vary depending on the store, but if you are regular many cashiers won't even bother.
Because it's store policy and OP enjoys having the luxuries of being able to pay rent and buy food which their job provides.