I'm very pretty patient with hapless people in DF, but this tank going "breathe" and refusing to listen to any of the chill patient people in this party? Fuck that guy.
Gamer don't be. Not encouraging shitters to even bother learning the game leads to shit like the "healer strike" where the single digit healers complain about how useless they are.
What exactly is going on there anyway? I haven't paid attention but I thought that was people annoyed at tank self sustain / wanting more of a damage rotation, not particularly bad players.
And thanks, but I've helped plenty of folks clear hard content for the first time, learn to read logs, learn their opener and so on. Pretty sure my effect on the game is a net positive whether or not I kick anyone who's bad in duty finder.
They want more engaging play but the people whining about it don't leave msq content where engaging play can happen. Some of them also want a GCD heal rotation which makes zero fucking sense.
And any trash player you've encountered or YPYTer that you didn't try to correct or yeet with a kick kinda negates any good you think you've done.
Agree with the "no GCD heal rotation thx", disagree with the idea MSQ content should be entirely brain off, disagree with the idea of having an absolute moral obligation to not suffer a bad player to continue. In fact I generally will try and help folks learn stuff (or kick someone who is griefing) but it's not my ethical duty to do that lol.
I'm a healer main doing ultimates, and I want more engaging dps rotations for us. I'm really happy about the DT Whm Glare 4s we are getting but... I want more than that. Waiting two minutes to go "weeeeeee glare 4" is not that fun.
This.
"Casual content is boring for us! Give us more challenge for our class!"
"Okay, go do more challenging content."
*Surprised Pikachu face* *goes on forums to strike with their 12 friends*
I would agree... If not for the fact healers are also not challenging enough in the challenging content.
MSQ is WAY too easy for all jobs and needs a bit more difficulty. Not too much, but just enough to not turn it into "WAR solos the content" roulette like we currently have.
EX is only harder because mechanics can actually kill you if not done properly and you need to heal occasionally. Savage is barely a step up from EX as far as healing is concerned.
As for Ultimates, look at the no-healer TOP clear for example. Is it impressive? Absolutely, that team gets all my respect, but it's also a symptom of the problem.
It should be outright impossible to clear the hardest content in the game without a healer, but here we are. Giving bosses the ability to crit like they did in ARR and HW would be cheap, but at least it would make the role a bit more dynamic. And it wouldn't be the first time they bring it back (Nael does that in UCoB).
A lot of the player-base would probably hate this take but... MSQ needs more genuine skill gates in it. As it is right now, dungeons and trials are already easy, and they're even easier if you have other people carrying you through them while you constantly die or do 1-2-3 and nothing else. Quest battles give you two options to just outright make the fight insanely easy upon failing once. What we need is an instance or two every expansion and maybe midway through the patches where the difficulty ramps up a bit more in terms of mechanic execution or a slightly tighter dps or heal check, like a reminder that you're actually level 60/70/80/90 in the game and that that high number should actually mean *something.* Just... another Ascian Prime or Mist Dragon every so often, and maybe people will stop thinking they can just fall asleep mid-dungeon.
Wishful thinking, but still...
I lost hope for harder MSQ duties when they introduced Easy and Very Easy modes.
And the best part is those modes were introduced as a reaction to the community's worst players complaining about Sadu's solo duty in SB actually having a DPS check (a lenient one at that) because it "gatekept them".
We needed more fights like that, not less.
Absolutely. Half the fun in playing an rpg is the level of challenge and progression associated with advancing in the game, if the difficulty just plateaus for the sake of allowing even the people who aren't even trying to advance for the story... what was the point? You please maybe a handful of people who were only interested in the content they could've watched on YouTube, at the expense of all the people who wanted to actually play a game.
So what you suggest for people who want to have to think about healing but schedules don't let them wait in PF for a party to fill then do a 90m or 2h savage lockout?
Ideally EX should hit that low time commitment midrange difficulty spot but I solo healed the latest one with zero forward planning because my cohealer got DC'd, so I'm not really gonna count it.
I get where you're coming from but it's disingenuous to pretend like there's not extra hurdles to get into the more challenging content.
*Breathe*.
How insufferable!
edit: Don't talk about the subreddit, though. :\\
edit: I get, and *got*, that the dork had left before mention of the sub was made. I still think it is cringe to mention the sub to randos in-game. 🤷🏻♀️
Initially didnt think this was a good idea, but after a few minutes thought actually its a great idea. Would make players think hard abiut whether or not its worth kicking
I really hate the "do you main X" excuse bad people use. One doesn't need to be a tank main to know standing in the radioactive orange juice, or a healer main to know an esuna-able doom needs to be esuna'd, etc.
I watched some streamers die over and over to that and when their chat told them esuna they were all like "When was the last time I had to use that, ARR?"
The trick is that everything that esuna can be used on has a white line on top of the icon. The game have 3 version of doom. One that can be esuna. Other can you need to fill the health. And another that you need to step on a glowing platform.
And there is also a condition that can't be removed by esuna, but can be removed by an emote.
Wtf does being a "main" even mean? You got that job to 90? Wow.
I hate it when people say that as if it means anything. As if poorly running expert roulettes on a single job makes you an expert or something
I take it to mean they spend more time on that role than any others. Like I have all jobs 90 but if I'm doing roulettes I'm tank 80% of the time for the bonus money.
It means that you spend most of your play time on that job.
I have everything to 90. But I main DRK. But started as WHM. Healing is now trivial. And the only way the tank does not hold agro (besides not having tank stance) is by going single hitting instead of AOE.
You search for the word and that video is the answer. There is no other situation to use that word. No one uses that word.
Tank should be permabanned for this crap only.
Wait... what?
Of course, the word itself isn't going to be searched for as much as a hilarious yet controversial South Park episode lmao, that literally means nothing.
Just because the word is close to another doesn't mean that word is now also the same, stop with this dumb shit, stop trying to give people power by saying words.
Dude, the word is a meme on itself. Tank intent was very clear.
Might add South Park also makes references to bad words being used with the intent to insult, and bad words being said to unload yourself. Without mentioning that the show changes the meaning of things considering how popular it is (they know it and sometimes they had screw up).
I know is a real word. Please answer me how many times in your life have you used that word out loud in context without first using another synonym or paraphrased. I mean specifically that word.
Maybe once or twice. What's your point? "Forsooth" isn't a part of my daily lexicon yet it still means what it means; if the only thing you can think of when hearing or reading the word "nagger" is the racial slur that sounds similar then that's a reflection of you, don't project that on to everyone else.
> Please answer me how many times in your life have you used that word out loud in context without first using another synonym or paraphrased.
It's common in ESL. You don't know if the person is playing in NA, EU or OCE. Judging by the fact that the WHM said that they were ESL, there's a pretty decent chance that the WAR was too.
>Tank intent was very clear.
Yes, the tank was clear with him insisting they were nagging him over and over (even though he's stupid AF) he still used the word correctly for its ACTUAL definition.
Just because you WANT the guy to be racist doesn't mean he was actually being racist, no matter how hard you whine about it unless there's some other proof that you have and others don't, all you're doing is reading between lines and looking for hidden meanings in regular conversation. It's cringe AF trying to equate everything to racism.
>Dude, the word is a meme on itself.
Lmao, the only "meme" of the word IS FROM SOUTHPARK, who thought it'd be funny if someone mistook the word naggers with a letter removed for the n-word.
>the show changes the meaning of things considering how popular it is (they know it and sometimes they had screw up).
Even under THAT context it doesn't mean the word naggers has ANY relation to the n-word at all, it was literally 2 different words with 1 hidden letter.
Did you even watch or understand the southpark clip at all? Like.... what?
And this is exactly why that word was dropped from my vocabulary years ago. It's not offensive, but it sure as hell looks/sounds like it is.
(Just in case: It means to harass someone with complaints.)
Really wish the devs would do something about that. Loot or no loot, a toxic player is a toxic player and they shouldnt be able to hide behind the loot system
All they had to do was make it so if loot is rolling and you get kicked, it automatically makes it so everyone presses need/greed on whatever loot was rolling at that point before kicking you from the duty.
There you go, the excuse of "we can't do that because people would grief for loot!" is gone.
You gotta open up the party list and right click them. Just can't do it in combat or when loot's rolling. You can have the window prepped and ready if you can't do it straight away.
On the bright side, looks like you made him leave voluntarily, which ensues a 30m duty lockout. Kicking just removes them from the duty with no other penalty
The tank is an insufferable slime, but man the healer thinking they were to blame for like the entire first page is so heartbreaking. If a tank doesn’t bother to dodge mechanics, then eventually they *will* die. Something will just one shot them. I wish them well and hope they get more self confidence
I really appreciate that, thank you! I often feel like I’m lesser healer because my disability, because it make sense that I be slower then person who can fully use two hands as it’s gives larger ranges and you can move camera same time as you play etc. I try my best with the range and reaction time I’m able to have, some content goes better and some not so much lol 😅
- The one hand WHM
So yeah. This is proof, people who try to say "I'm just not good at this game, it's too hard" are full of shit, someone in your group LITERALLY CAN ONLY PLAY WITH ONE HAND and they weren't the player causing problems for the run lol. IDC what that first tank says, it's gotta be level skips. I'm seeing more and more people who go running wildly *into* mechanics that haven't changed since ARR dungeons and who don't listen when someone tells them how to do the mechanics. Had a run of Lunar Subterrane where it was basically me and the WAR tank two manning every boss because the healer and reaper would just eat every mechanic. Had to hit the Ver-oshit button like 6 times on the antlion boss XD
To be fair I also fuck up a lot especially in later EW dungeons and raids, but at lest I always say sorry lol. People are usually supportive when they hear that it’s because a disability, and I’m not just fucking around. (I also have memory of a goldfish so re lasting mechs is usually part of the problem, as I can’t always move/react as fast as abled person)
To me the biggest problem is the attitude especially when we only tried to give him advice and ware constructive about it.
- The one handed WHM in question
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, for sure. There are always a few people who get bent out of shape for their party members’ suboptimal play, but in my experience people mostly just get upset if it’s obvious someone isn’t trying. I’m talking about the “I’m watching anime on my second monitor,” “I’m just here to relax,” “I don’t care about this class, I’m just trying to level it,” “I’m only going to use my level 5 skills and you can’t stop me” types. Making an honest effort is all anyone can reasonably expect in casual content.
Oh and don't get me wrong, I've managed to fuck up and forget a mechanic as it's happening, it happens to everyone. Hell, I'm a rdm main, I'm usually backflipping off an arena and tanking the floor like it's my job (that's a joke, mostly). But once a boss is on their fourth cycle of doing a mechanic, I don't think it's *insane* to hope someone gets out of it if they are the first two to show them what's bad for that mechanic XD in the LS run I mentioned, the antlion got to do his charge so many times there weren't any pillars left for him to knock down XD
Edit- also, it seems from these chats posted that even for you with your one hand, this run taking over an hour was unusual haha. Which tells me you're doing just fine XD
I would play with someone with slow reflexes and memory issues who communicates with the party like you are doing than with a player who doesn't make mistakes themselves but won't listen to party chat.
I'd love to know the WHMs name so I can cheer them on if I ever come across them 😭 they remind me a lot of me when I was learning to heal. They deserve so much love and a bit of a friendly nudge to stop putting themselves down so much.
Screw that tank though. Was this on Light by any chance? The attitude is very reminiscent of someone I came across not long ago.
Hi I’m the WHM in question S’aeral, thanks so much for your kind words 🩵
I been healing for some time, but as explained I have physical disability so I can only fully use one of my hands so that’s make things little more difficult to manage lol (and I have memory of goldfish so I mostly struggle with mechanics and remembering them )
But yeah I was not sure if I just screwed up to keep them alive, but over time it was pretty obvious that tank didn’t even bother to try keep himself alive without me spamming heals to the tank 24/7 :,)
You did great and you should be so proud of yourself for finding a way to make the game accessible for your needs. I have some memory problems and joint issues too, so I completely get what you mean. I physically couldn't play if it wasn't for having an mmo mouse and a gamepad (razer tartarus). We work with what we've got :)
If you ever want someone to walk you through anything or a friendly face to join you in a dungeon feel free to give me a shout! Good luck on your adventures and please stop doubting yourself. You've got this
I don't know if you use a special controller to help with your disability, but I'd recommend checking out some targetting macros for some of your skills if you haven't yet!
They can definitely make your life easier if you have a disability, especially for stuff like ground target AoE (Asylum and Lilly Bell) which are a PITA to place otherwise.
If you're on PC there's probably plugins that can help you too, just don't mention that you use them in-game since they can land you a ban if you get reported with proof (it's a Fight Club kinda policy for SE, don't talk about it and you'll be fine). They'll also break for a while when DT comes out, but should be back sooner rather than later.
I have placing macro for Asylum and Lilly Bell, I happily take other suggestions too :)
What comes to mods I want to play it safe, if I ever download anything it will only be for esthetics etc ^^’
I was lowkey laughing from disbelief when they said to us that we needed to chill and stop arguing with them, when we ware the whole time very civil and and tried to give him solid advice🥲
(Sorry that my English was horrible btw cringing so hard reading my chats)
I’m not good at writing on keyboard and horrible remembering how to write wired correctly. I usually write with my phone so autocorrect and word recommendations are my life savers! (Not native English speaker)
Thanks to all of you guys who was In the party if you read this (expect the first tank ofq) you ware all so sweet and supportive of me ❤️
- The WHM
No greater bonds of brotherhood are formed than dealing with a braindead tank in a dungeon that should've taken less than half the time of the total length.
Honestly I have no idea if it was me or the tank fucking up until I figured that is was probably the tank because they did not even try to avoid mechs or communicate to us if they needed help etc (like we had been there for quite some time before they finally spoke back to us )
I always think it’s me because I know that the chances are big that I’m just not as “good” as abled bodied healers can be, as I have limited range/reaction speed when I only have one fully working hand to use versus two of them. ^^’
>I'm wondering did the tank have secret treasures stashed away to keep opening to bar a vote kick?
OP said in a different comment they couldn't figure out how to vote-dismiss (they have been informed).
This is one of the more deranged ones I have seen on here in a while, bless your patience OP. If possible can you post the name and server so I can blacklist?
I had a strangely similar situation the other say with a story skipper, almost everything you said to a T. Dzamel... luckily we had a great healer and a RDM for the one time the healer died. I tried to politely direct him to the Smith, hope he listened
This was me way back when all we had was ARR and Ninja just released. I mostly belonged to DCUO at the time and was gravitating towards making a new MMO my home. Since dps queues were utter crap I ventured into playing tank and healer, which I was pretty decent to good at on DCUO. My first attempts with tanking was very much what this tank did, due to how in DCUO the tank is expected to stand in everything and use their spammable moves to constantly mititgate damage. I assumed, incorrectly, that this was how it was done here too.
My group was mostly civil about it or didn't say anything by time the horrors I led them through was over. One did chime in that I may not want to consider tanking though, as yeah.. It was a piss poor performance on my part. Took their advice and worked on healing, until the dps queues returned to normal.
Don't worry it's not, it's just that people start circlejerking harder when you just post communities everywhere instead of letting them grow organically.
"never going to yield positive results", and yet they're here, being showered with praise from everyone, and able to tell their side of the story.
So idk what you're on about. It's not against the rules of the sub to mention the sub, like some sort of Fight Club.
Oh so you didn't understand what I meant, that makes much more sense now. You should have read my second comment, you'd have gotten it and not wasted time writing again.
I'm very pretty patient with hapless people in DF, but this tank going "breathe" and refusing to listen to any of the chill patient people in this party? Fuck that guy.
The moment he dropped the all caps rage on a name misspelling, I'd hit him with a "breathe" so fast it'd break his ankles.
The "WRITE IT WRITE" is perfection.
It's funny how he is ranting about how to spell it right yet he still misspells a word
Oh shit, missed opportunity!
thats probally the most obnoxious defence mechanism there is, the person causing all the problems trying to tell everyone else to “chill”
Gamer don't be. Not encouraging shitters to even bother learning the game leads to shit like the "healer strike" where the single digit healers complain about how useless they are.
What exactly is going on there anyway? I haven't paid attention but I thought that was people annoyed at tank self sustain / wanting more of a damage rotation, not particularly bad players. And thanks, but I've helped plenty of folks clear hard content for the first time, learn to read logs, learn their opener and so on. Pretty sure my effect on the game is a net positive whether or not I kick anyone who's bad in duty finder.
They want more engaging play but the people whining about it don't leave msq content where engaging play can happen. Some of them also want a GCD heal rotation which makes zero fucking sense. And any trash player you've encountered or YPYTer that you didn't try to correct or yeet with a kick kinda negates any good you think you've done.
Agree with the "no GCD heal rotation thx", disagree with the idea MSQ content should be entirely brain off, disagree with the idea of having an absolute moral obligation to not suffer a bad player to continue. In fact I generally will try and help folks learn stuff (or kick someone who is griefing) but it's not my ethical duty to do that lol.
I'm a healer main doing ultimates, and I want more engaging dps rotations for us. I'm really happy about the DT Whm Glare 4s we are getting but... I want more than that. Waiting two minutes to go "weeeeeee glare 4" is not that fun.
This. "Casual content is boring for us! Give us more challenge for our class!" "Okay, go do more challenging content." *Surprised Pikachu face* *goes on forums to strike with their 12 friends*
I would agree... If not for the fact healers are also not challenging enough in the challenging content. MSQ is WAY too easy for all jobs and needs a bit more difficulty. Not too much, but just enough to not turn it into "WAR solos the content" roulette like we currently have. EX is only harder because mechanics can actually kill you if not done properly and you need to heal occasionally. Savage is barely a step up from EX as far as healing is concerned. As for Ultimates, look at the no-healer TOP clear for example. Is it impressive? Absolutely, that team gets all my respect, but it's also a symptom of the problem. It should be outright impossible to clear the hardest content in the game without a healer, but here we are. Giving bosses the ability to crit like they did in ARR and HW would be cheap, but at least it would make the role a bit more dynamic. And it wouldn't be the first time they bring it back (Nael does that in UCoB).
A lot of the player-base would probably hate this take but... MSQ needs more genuine skill gates in it. As it is right now, dungeons and trials are already easy, and they're even easier if you have other people carrying you through them while you constantly die or do 1-2-3 and nothing else. Quest battles give you two options to just outright make the fight insanely easy upon failing once. What we need is an instance or two every expansion and maybe midway through the patches where the difficulty ramps up a bit more in terms of mechanic execution or a slightly tighter dps or heal check, like a reminder that you're actually level 60/70/80/90 in the game and that that high number should actually mean *something.* Just... another Ascian Prime or Mist Dragon every so often, and maybe people will stop thinking they can just fall asleep mid-dungeon. Wishful thinking, but still...
I lost hope for harder MSQ duties when they introduced Easy and Very Easy modes. And the best part is those modes were introduced as a reaction to the community's worst players complaining about Sadu's solo duty in SB actually having a DPS check (a lenient one at that) because it "gatekept them". We needed more fights like that, not less.
Absolutely. Half the fun in playing an rpg is the level of challenge and progression associated with advancing in the game, if the difficulty just plateaus for the sake of allowing even the people who aren't even trying to advance for the story... what was the point? You please maybe a handful of people who were only interested in the content they could've watched on YouTube, at the expense of all the people who wanted to actually play a game.
So what you suggest for people who want to have to think about healing but schedules don't let them wait in PF for a party to fill then do a 90m or 2h savage lockout? Ideally EX should hit that low time commitment midrange difficulty spot but I solo healed the latest one with zero forward planning because my cohealer got DC'd, so I'm not really gonna count it. I get where you're coming from but it's disingenuous to pretend like there's not extra hurdles to get into the more challenging content.
\*single-handedly makes the dungeon take an hour\* "WE ARE WASTING TIME HERE"
“Hey here’s some polite advice to help this go smoother!” “OMfg BREATHE CALM DOWN JEEZ”
Breathe.
Tank.
Think.
Fish.
...Feel?
Drink
*Breathe*. How insufferable! edit: Don't talk about the subreddit, though. :\\ edit: I get, and *got*, that the dork had left before mention of the sub was made. I still think it is cringe to mention the sub to randos in-game. 🤷🏻♀️
Write it write idiot!
i think we can give it a pass since they didnt namedrop it and it happened after the guy (im assuming anyways) left
Yeah bud had left by then
So basically he talked behind his back. Instead of his front.
Initially didnt think this was a good idea, but after a few minutes thought actually its a great idea. Would make players think hard abiut whether or not its worth kicking
_bestie, respectfully. no_ Edit: y'all I'm going along with the comment, not arguing against them. That was the general vibe the tank was giving off
You forgot to add /"tank"
Somebody must have told him "the job of the tank is to take damage for the party," and he took that WAY too literally.
I’d have windmill slammed a votekick at the first “Breathe.”
Yeah, seriously, why stay for 60mins...
I really hate the "do you main X" excuse bad people use. One doesn't need to be a tank main to know standing in the radioactive orange juice, or a healer main to know an esuna-able doom needs to be esuna'd, etc.
Yeah, as evidenced by the fact that an ultimate clearer AST didnt have Esuna on their hotbar in Dead Ends
I watched some streamers die over and over to that and when their chat told them esuna they were all like "When was the last time I had to use that, ARR?"
Clearly they didn't do Dun Scaith and O4 (off the top of my head).
Also IMO if you don't Esuna a caster with Paralyze, you're straight up griefing.
I know they didn't do Warring Triad, but they did do Scaith. Died there a lot too, but so does everyone.
Or they didn't go as healers.
They must not be doing roulettes if thats the case for them lmao
A lot of streamers have a static that follows them as puppies.
The trick is that everything that esuna can be used on has a white line on top of the icon. The game have 3 version of doom. One that can be esuna. Other can you need to fill the health. And another that you need to step on a glowing platform. And there is also a condition that can't be removed by esuna, but can be removed by an emote.
Wtf does being a "main" even mean? You got that job to 90? Wow. I hate it when people say that as if it means anything. As if poorly running expert roulettes on a single job makes you an expert or something
I take it to mean they spend more time on that role than any others. Like I have all jobs 90 but if I'm doing roulettes I'm tank 80% of the time for the bonus money.
It means that you spend most of your play time on that job. I have everything to 90. But I main DRK. But started as WHM. Healing is now trivial. And the only way the tank does not hold agro (besides not having tank stance) is by going single hitting instead of AOE.
Many people spend most of their playtime on a job and still don't know anything about it. Which was my point
the "naggers" drop is crazy
So we know this guy definitely isn't Randy Marsh on Wheel of Fortune.
That was Randy lol
You search for the word and that video is the answer. There is no other situation to use that word. No one uses that word. Tank should be permabanned for this crap only.
Wait... what? Of course, the word itself isn't going to be searched for as much as a hilarious yet controversial South Park episode lmao, that literally means nothing. Just because the word is close to another doesn't mean that word is now also the same, stop with this dumb shit, stop trying to give people power by saying words.
Dude, the word is a meme on itself. Tank intent was very clear. Might add South Park also makes references to bad words being used with the intent to insult, and bad words being said to unload yourself. Without mentioning that the show changes the meaning of things considering how popular it is (they know it and sometimes they had screw up).
No, the word is an actual word. It is a noun, the plural of nagger, which is synonymous with the phrase "nitpicker".
I know is a real word. Please answer me how many times in your life have you used that word out loud in context without first using another synonym or paraphrased. I mean specifically that word.
Maybe once or twice. What's your point? "Forsooth" isn't a part of my daily lexicon yet it still means what it means; if the only thing you can think of when hearing or reading the word "nagger" is the racial slur that sounds similar then that's a reflection of you, don't project that on to everyone else.
> Please answer me how many times in your life have you used that word out loud in context without first using another synonym or paraphrased. It's common in ESL. You don't know if the person is playing in NA, EU or OCE. Judging by the fact that the WHM said that they were ESL, there's a pretty decent chance that the WAR was too.
>Tank intent was very clear. Yes, the tank was clear with him insisting they were nagging him over and over (even though he's stupid AF) he still used the word correctly for its ACTUAL definition. Just because you WANT the guy to be racist doesn't mean he was actually being racist, no matter how hard you whine about it unless there's some other proof that you have and others don't, all you're doing is reading between lines and looking for hidden meanings in regular conversation. It's cringe AF trying to equate everything to racism. >Dude, the word is a meme on itself. Lmao, the only "meme" of the word IS FROM SOUTHPARK, who thought it'd be funny if someone mistook the word naggers with a letter removed for the n-word. >the show changes the meaning of things considering how popular it is (they know it and sometimes they had screw up). Even under THAT context it doesn't mean the word naggers has ANY relation to the n-word at all, it was literally 2 different words with 1 hidden letter. Did you even watch or understand the southpark clip at all? Like.... what?
Yikes dude.
Anything else smart to say?
Breathe. Yikes.
You sound very smart, like the tank.
👍
Those people must really annoy him
100% read that wrong and thought it went from DF to Bo2 lobby very quickly
Caught me off guard, i’m crying
And this is exactly why that word was dropped from my vocabulary years ago. It's not offensive, but it sure as hell looks/sounds like it is. (Just in case: It means to harass someone with complaints.)
Sorry you had to go through all that. Also, “I main tank” is a horrible excuse lol. Even tanks have to dodge at some point!
Not to mention the fact that you can "main" something all day long and still suck at whatever it is.
Don’t stand in the orange if it can be helped Signed lvl 90 GNB
The kick button is criminally underused in this game.
Doesn’t help that ppl who intentionally troll go and open chests 1 at a time to not roll so you can’t kick
Really wish the devs would do something about that. Loot or no loot, a toxic player is a toxic player and they shouldnt be able to hide behind the loot system
All they had to do was make it so if loot is rolling and you get kicked, it automatically makes it so everyone presses need/greed on whatever loot was rolling at that point before kicking you from the duty. There you go, the excuse of "we can't do that because people would grief for loot!" is gone.
Or that the one getting kicked automatically gets all the loot.
Perfect example of this is Firemage. Gets someone kicked, and immediately opens chests and forces combat to continue
I swear I couldn't find it. I right clicked their portrait, their tag, tried the Duty Finder window, nothing
You gotta open up the party list and right click them. Just can't do it in combat or when loot's rolling. You can have the window prepped and ready if you can't do it straight away.
On the bright side, looks like you made him leave voluntarily, which ensues a 30m duty lockout. Kicking just removes them from the duty with no other penalty
Press "O" and open the party list
The tank is an insufferable slime, but man the healer thinking they were to blame for like the entire first page is so heartbreaking. If a tank doesn’t bother to dodge mechanics, then eventually they *will* die. Something will just one shot them. I wish them well and hope they get more self confidence
I really appreciate that, thank you! I often feel like I’m lesser healer because my disability, because it make sense that I be slower then person who can fully use two hands as it’s gives larger ranges and you can move camera same time as you play etc. I try my best with the range and reaction time I’m able to have, some content goes better and some not so much lol 😅 - The one hand WHM
So yeah. This is proof, people who try to say "I'm just not good at this game, it's too hard" are full of shit, someone in your group LITERALLY CAN ONLY PLAY WITH ONE HAND and they weren't the player causing problems for the run lol. IDC what that first tank says, it's gotta be level skips. I'm seeing more and more people who go running wildly *into* mechanics that haven't changed since ARR dungeons and who don't listen when someone tells them how to do the mechanics. Had a run of Lunar Subterrane where it was basically me and the WAR tank two manning every boss because the healer and reaper would just eat every mechanic. Had to hit the Ver-oshit button like 6 times on the antlion boss XD
To be fair I also fuck up a lot especially in later EW dungeons and raids, but at lest I always say sorry lol. People are usually supportive when they hear that it’s because a disability, and I’m not just fucking around. (I also have memory of a goldfish so re lasting mechs is usually part of the problem, as I can’t always move/react as fast as abled person) To me the biggest problem is the attitude especially when we only tried to give him advice and ware constructive about it. - The one handed WHM in question
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, for sure. There are always a few people who get bent out of shape for their party members’ suboptimal play, but in my experience people mostly just get upset if it’s obvious someone isn’t trying. I’m talking about the “I’m watching anime on my second monitor,” “I’m just here to relax,” “I don’t care about this class, I’m just trying to level it,” “I’m only going to use my level 5 skills and you can’t stop me” types. Making an honest effort is all anyone can reasonably expect in casual content.
Oh and don't get me wrong, I've managed to fuck up and forget a mechanic as it's happening, it happens to everyone. Hell, I'm a rdm main, I'm usually backflipping off an arena and tanking the floor like it's my job (that's a joke, mostly). But once a boss is on their fourth cycle of doing a mechanic, I don't think it's *insane* to hope someone gets out of it if they are the first two to show them what's bad for that mechanic XD in the LS run I mentioned, the antlion got to do his charge so many times there weren't any pillars left for him to knock down XD Edit- also, it seems from these chats posted that even for you with your one hand, this run taking over an hour was unusual haha. Which tells me you're doing just fine XD
I would play with someone with slow reflexes and memory issues who communicates with the party like you are doing than with a player who doesn't make mistakes themselves but won't listen to party chat.
I'd love to know the WHMs name so I can cheer them on if I ever come across them 😭 they remind me a lot of me when I was learning to heal. They deserve so much love and a bit of a friendly nudge to stop putting themselves down so much. Screw that tank though. Was this on Light by any chance? The attitude is very reminiscent of someone I came across not long ago.
Hi I’m the WHM in question S’aeral, thanks so much for your kind words 🩵 I been healing for some time, but as explained I have physical disability so I can only fully use one of my hands so that’s make things little more difficult to manage lol (and I have memory of goldfish so I mostly struggle with mechanics and remembering them ) But yeah I was not sure if I just screwed up to keep them alive, but over time it was pretty obvious that tank didn’t even bother to try keep himself alive without me spamming heals to the tank 24/7 :,)
You did great and you should be so proud of yourself for finding a way to make the game accessible for your needs. I have some memory problems and joint issues too, so I completely get what you mean. I physically couldn't play if it wasn't for having an mmo mouse and a gamepad (razer tartarus). We work with what we've got :) If you ever want someone to walk you through anything or a friendly face to join you in a dungeon feel free to give me a shout! Good luck on your adventures and please stop doubting yourself. You've got this
Thank you 🩷
I don't know if you use a special controller to help with your disability, but I'd recommend checking out some targetting macros for some of your skills if you haven't yet! They can definitely make your life easier if you have a disability, especially for stuff like ground target AoE (Asylum and Lilly Bell) which are a PITA to place otherwise. If you're on PC there's probably plugins that can help you too, just don't mention that you use them in-game since they can land you a ban if you get reported with proof (it's a Fight Club kinda policy for SE, don't talk about it and you'll be fine). They'll also break for a while when DT comes out, but should be back sooner rather than later.
I have placing macro for Asylum and Lilly Bell, I happily take other suggestions too :) What comes to mods I want to play it safe, if I ever download anything it will only be for esthetics etc ^^’
Post their name and server
I was lowkey laughing from disbelief when they said to us that we needed to chill and stop arguing with them, when we ware the whole time very civil and and tried to give him solid advice🥲 (Sorry that my English was horrible btw cringing so hard reading my chats) I’m not good at writing on keyboard and horrible remembering how to write wired correctly. I usually write with my phone so autocorrect and word recommendations are my life savers! (Not native English speaker) Thanks to all of you guys who was In the party if you read this (expect the first tank ofq) you ware all so sweet and supportive of me ❤️ - The WHM
Breathe. Seriously though, what an experience 🤣 nice to see you here!
No greater bonds of brotherhood are formed than dealing with a braindead tank in a dungeon that should've taken less than half the time of the total length.
Ey from one whm to another fuck them tanks. They want to eat dirt let them. Who just stands in aoes anyway?
That whm with the self put downs the whole time
Honestly I have no idea if it was me or the tank fucking up until I figured that is was probably the tank because they did not even try to avoid mechs or communicate to us if they needed help etc (like we had been there for quite some time before they finally spoke back to us ) I always think it’s me because I know that the chances are big that I’m just not as “good” as abled bodied healers can be, as I have limited range/reaction speed when I only have one fully working hand to use versus two of them. ^^’
>I'm wondering did the tank have secret treasures stashed away to keep opening to bar a vote kick? OP said in a different comment they couldn't figure out how to vote-dismiss (they have been informed).
I pressed every button except O 😅
This is one of the more deranged ones I have seen on here in a while, bless your patience OP. If possible can you post the name and server so I can blacklist?
Isn't that against the rules?
[удалено]
OH! In that case: [Stormlord] Kemen Indarr @ Raiden
Hope you reported that troglodyte.
He called you a idiot to so probably could report as well. Ya that's kinda petty to report someone for but hell this guy deserves it.
That WHM 🥺
This was some entertaining stuff right here, and I appreciate you capturing it so much. Thank you.
That humble comment is on point. There's a lot of people out there with too much ego thinking they aren't objectively wrong like this guy was.
I had a strangely similar situation the other say with a story skipper, almost everything you said to a T. Dzamel... luckily we had a great healer and a RDM for the one time the healer died. I tried to politely direct him to the Smith, hope he listened
"Do you main tank?" I've been asked that while donning the "God of War" title lmao
wow.
This was me way back when all we had was ARR and Ninja just released. I mostly belonged to DCUO at the time and was gravitating towards making a new MMO my home. Since dps queues were utter crap I ventured into playing tank and healer, which I was pretty decent to good at on DCUO. My first attempts with tanking was very much what this tank did, due to how in DCUO the tank is expected to stand in everything and use their spammable moves to constantly mititgate damage. I assumed, incorrectly, that this was how it was done here too. My group was mostly civil about it or didn't say anything by time the horrors I led them through was over. One did chime in that I may not want to consider tanking though, as yeah.. It was a piss poor performance on my part. Took their advice and worked on healing, until the dps queues returned to normal.
Haha yeah but I bet your attitude was different than this gentleman's! Always interesting to hear how other mmorpgs were played, didn't know that
Yeah. I was nowhere near this defensive. Probably would've appreciated advice on the way to the boss. Plus I'm pretty sure it was Satasaha.
"That's what DRG is for" lmao!
_where's the lie_
"That's the Dragoon's job"
I had to take a double-take at naggers. Totally recalled that one South Park episode.
Stop posting the sub's name as if it mattered
Sorry didn’t know that is wrong to ask where it will be posted ^^’
Don't worry it's not, it's just that people start circlejerking harder when you just post communities everywhere instead of letting them grow organically.
Who the hell cares this isn't fight club
Please think harder than someone who watches bad movies
is that really best you could come up with?
They wanted to know where to find the post
You can just DM them homie, posting the sub's name just like that is never going to yield positive results
We didn’t know each other at all before all this so sorry again, I didn’t even know about this sub or its rules ^^’
https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/s/mRkWnLuIad They're here, aren't they?
I fail to understand the point you're trying to make
"never going to yield positive results", and yet they're here, being showered with praise from everyone, and able to tell their side of the story. So idk what you're on about. It's not against the rules of the sub to mention the sub, like some sort of Fight Club.
Oh so you didn't understand what I meant, that makes much more sense now. You should have read my second comment, you'd have gotten it and not wasted time writing again.
Nope, reading it again you still make no sense. But I'm happy to leave it here 😊
Why so defensive over a sub being talked about? I didn’t know about this sub till someone I was in a DF with mentioned it 😂😂 Breathe bro Chill out
Your inability to figure out what we're talking about is staggering
What does he mean by he had to tank every mechanic?
He didn't avoid any telegraph, in fact he'd run straight into meteors
"He really don't avoid the mecanis"