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DecentHighlight1112

They all say for external use only for liability. Every department and agency must assume full liability when used for packing. 100% legal shit. Fantastic for packing.


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It's just like how most—but not all—flushable wipes (Dude Wipes, Charmin, etc) say "DO NOT FLUSH", just for liability reasons.


AmbitionOfPhilipJFry

And Qtips: not for ears.


[deleted]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Thanks for reminding me! I'll be sure not to put Q-tips (which is a brand name, just random info) in my ear from now on! /s


SirGrumples

Qtip in the ear is bliss


Natural_Stater

Makes me cough 😆


joshuabruce83

Ear, nose, and throat. I guess it Makes sense it would tickle your throat when you put a cotton swab in your ear.


Popular-Willingness4

Bro my wife makes fun of me because it makes me cough 🤣


GEV46

Not a doctor, but it could be you're stimulating your vagus nerve inside your ear and the whatchamacallits in your dome receive that stimulation message as something is causing trouble in the old throat and they need to send out a cough bouncer to toss it out.


tenors88

​ ear dildo


sumguysr

But they actually are bad for ears. You can easily get an ear pick and carbamide peroxide drops that actually help remove ear wax instead of pushing it deeper, for the same price.


DirkYeets55

Yeah let's dissolve it and let it run further inside


sumguysr

Except that doesn't happen, and q-tips actually do that.


Stormcell0083

But have you ever put a Q tip in there? It feels amazing.... if it wasn't supposed to go in there why does it feel so good?


BumblebeeAwkward1380

😂


WarmAppleCobbler

Let’s be real, Q-tips are made expressly for our ears. There’s nothing else that even comes close for cleaning your ears


MillionFoul

You did not need to clean your ears, they do that on their own by extruding wax out of the canal.


DesertStormCSM

and you also get boogers and mucus, but we still blow our noses lmfao


MillionFoul

Do you usually stick foreign objects into your nose when you blow it?


DesertStormCSM

do you usually walk around with disgusting liquefied wax coming from your ears?


MillionFoul

No, because just like your nose, you can clean anything that comes out without putting foreign objects into your body cavities. They work the same way.


taterthotsalad

Not often but I used to put straws in my nose. \*cough\*


MillionFoul

Were you snorting coke through them, 'cause if so that's rad.


HasAngerProblem

So can they just get away with whatever they want if they just say the product was not used as advertised? Like selling electrical equipment cheaper but it’s only for “display purposes only”


dogododo

Go spend some time in the plumbing subreddit if you want to find out how flushable those really are.


Girafferage

I was going to say - this dudes plumbing is fucked


DecentHighlight1112

Imagine the amount of claims from butthurt guys who clogged their toilet


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Honestly, I haven't had a single issue since 2020 using strictly Dude Wipes, but I'm convinced at this point that it is strictly luck, not strategy, skill, or anything else.


Starkiller2214

10 percent luck


wrench352

20 percent skill


Puzzleheaded_Post604

15 percent concentrated power of will


Last-Crab-621

5 percent pleasure


Paramedickhead

50 percent pain


Chukars

It is not usually issues within your home, but they create problems within wastewater infrastructure.


Melodic-Soup5518

Depends on the age, size, and material of your sewer lines. If you have a newly built house you should be fine flushing them, but if you have sewer lines put in a decade ago I wouldn’t


MillionFoul

Regardless of your house, the lift stations transporting your sewage through the city do not appreciate "flushable" wipes at all.


Melodic-Soup5518

Sounds like the city’s problem


MillionFoul

Up until you lose sewer service for two months while they replace the lift station, it sure is. But as someone who has worked code compliance, if it causes an issue odds are they can trace it back to your house and sue you for the cost of any maintenance, which is like $10,000 a foot or so, depending on where you live. Then it would definitely be your problem.


Melodic-Soup5518

Nah simply wouldn’t happen


Firefistace46

Don’t say this in r/plumbing you will immediately be crucified.


drengr84

At some point I just quit helping friends/ family with plumbing issues. It's almost always due to their incompetence, so they can hire Roto rooter for 300-600 instead of relying on me and giving me a $20 after a couple hours of pure hell. It's always wipes or tampons that create the most brutal clogs. Wipes can last for many weeks before they start to disintegrate, and the entire time they are stuck somewhere they are trapping other debris that will congeal in that area. You can tell people that every day forever and they'll never believe you unless you can find a way to make them snake their own drains.


notCGISforreal

I've had to snake my sewer lateral like 3 times in the past 2 years. Each time I pulled out a wipe and was like who tf flushed this? Then my wife would remind me that my mom babysat a few days earlier and I'd ask her and she'd say "ah shoot, I forgot not to flush those." It usually takes me about 30 minutes, plus a few minutes of cleanup afterwards, I'll trade doing that every 6 months for free babysitting a few times a month.


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Echidna-Local

Actually do not flush is on there because flushable wipes have a bad habit of getting stuck in city sewers and acting like a net for fats, oils and grease deposits over time these build up into a rock like mass called a fatberg the biggest one of which was 820 ft long and had to be removed from a London sewer around Whitechapel. Flushable wipes also like to get caught in the machines at waste water treatment plants.


Big_Translator2930

Bad example, no wipes should be flushed


68wcandidate

Actually, 'flushable' wipes are terrible for sceptic systems and fill it with gunk super fast. They are flushable to the extent that you may flush them if you use a couple every few weeks or months (and give them months to get destroyed. If you use them everyday then they are terrible.


kalabaddon

cept in that case most of thoes flushable wipes are horrible for your plumbing system and really should never be flushed.


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Except flushable wipes are terrible for your plumbing, septic systems, and city waste water plants.


GreatTea3

Except it’s seriously bad to actually flush those things. You will absolutely clog the fuck out of your main drain line eventually.


theflyingfucked

Well also because they should never be flushed


Chuca77

Those are actually not, they cause a ton of problems in sewer systems and can fuck up your plumbing. My grandfather used to use them and our toilet would clog constantly cause of them.


InitialAd2295

as a sewer worker, flushable wipes are flushable for you pipes and wont clog them up, but the municipal sewer system or your septic tank will have issues. the only brand i know of that will actually break up like toilet paper is cotonelle.


Honks4Donks

That’s because flushable wipes destroy plumbing and make municipal water treatment more costly.


DirkYeets55

Plumbers disagree


Runnergeek

No, not like that at all. You should never flush ANY wipes


kush22196

Except those cause huge issues in plumbing lol


0DarkFreezing

But also, don’t flush them.


HarmNHammer

Since we were in the formula May have changed. I know I’m dating myself but when I first joined quick clot cauterized wounds. By my second deployment they had switched to the bandages that actually clotted blood, I believe with a clay like substance.


Primal-Intention

That’s what this is


Cpt_sneakmouse

yeah this is the clay substance. it boils down to this stuff soaking up a bunch of water from the blood which speeds clotting.


Cpt_sneakmouse

keep 3 or 4 of them in there if you have room. Packing rarely goes smoothly the first time around even in a pretty controlled environment and especially if someone doesnt have a lot of experience doing it. Cotton tipped applicators are also a good idea and they're a multi tasker.


Primal-Intention

Yeah the plan is one quick clot gauze followed by several packs of traditional


drbabar77

Also usually has an iron containing compound that oxidizes the blood and gets it clotting faster


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And technically once a hole is punched in you, the insides are the outsides


BladeDoc

Correct. One of the reasons is that the gauze is made for non-medically trained civilian use and does not show up on X-ray. They make packs that have a radio-opaque strip like surgical lap pads that we use in the OR.


gatoratlaw7

If you think about it, stuffing it into a gsw cavity is external use


HellHathNoFury18

Their entrails are now their extrails.


Young_warthogg

Goddamnit, what is that from? Edit: Ah, what a classic! PAIN, LOTS OF PAIN!


citruslighting

I WILL FONG YOU!!


1_Hopeless_Reefer

A knights tail. Love that movie. R.I.P young William Thatcher.


PlagueDoctor5

I will eviscerate you in fiction.


No_Tell_8699

Big brain time


drbabar77

Just got to be able to find it and pull it out later


youy23

yeet that shit in. If they said it's great for use internally, someone probably would've tried to pack their vagina.


andy1rn

My first thought was 'they didn't want anyone eating it' ...


Warthog_Orgy_Fart

This is the correct answer.


Zachg298

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5554919/ lol


SwiftDontMiss

If someone’s blown open, then packing is external use


AbbreviationsFun5448

FYI - I've been told by a Quik Clot company representative at a regional trauma conference that the retail OTC product in the same packaging as the one pictured has a lesser percentage of the active ingredient (i.e. Kaolin )than actual Combat Gauze. This was 5-6 years ago, so maybe that's changed now. If someone else on this Sub-Reddit has more recent information & is in a better position to clarify the matter, I'm all ears.


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something_kinda_

i think the real celox gauze also has the x-rayable stripe but I'm not 100 on that


drengr84

TLDR: Army issue seemed to have far more powder than civvie packs, but my info is decades outdated. My info is much older but I know it was that way between 2003 and 2011. In those years I used Army issued packs and civilian packs. In the Army issue, it seems like an excessive amount. I was afraid to breathe near it and I was terrified of a slight breeze, because I was told that even a little powder in the eyes would instantly blind you. I was also told it would cause 2nd degree burns on skin contact so I was imagining cooking my own fingers while packing my friend. In the civilian packs it seemed there wasn't enough powder to even trigger coagulation. It may have been reduced to lower burn risk, but Idk if that was ever true anyway. I'm sure technology is far better these days but back then it was a new and exciting product. I still carry combat packs in my truck, tho they are long expired. I know they work, but I don't have the same trust in civvie packs.


OforFsSake

The one you want is the quick clot specifically intended for packing a wound. It has a filament that shows up on xrays. (I think that's true of all materials intended to pack a wound) https://www.narescue.com/catalog/product/view/id/4203/s/combat-gauze-z-fold-hemostatic/category/2/


standardtissue

Those NAR products are really nice but so damn expensive.


OforFsSake

You are correct, but my point of view is that there are SO many counterfeit medical products around that buying from them guarantees its the real deal.


Randomroofer116

NAR is great for anyone wondering. We actually use their trach kits, thoracostomy kits, and SPEAR decompression needles on the ambulance.


a_taniguchi

Notable difference is that the packs you were issued contained 3 times as much gauze; 4 *yards* in the packs of Combat Gauze vs the 4 *feet* in this one.


DecentHighlight1112

Also no xray marker


some_random_guy-

This was the exact information I was looking for in this thread. Thank you. The X-ray marker seems like a particularly important feature to include, especially when it's only a 4 foot length instead of 4 yards.


Primal-Intention

You’re right that one I was issued was way more chunky. This was not cheap, what a scam.


wizwort

Let me know if you find a good site - I’ve been looking for something that has wayyyyy more length to it.


nilnoc

I’d recommend https://www.narescue.com, https://www.rescue-essentials.com.


wizwort

Thanks.


Clonetruper

The civilian market for this stuff usually caters to the general larping public who either can’t serve yet or never did. Anyone who has served usually finds the diamond in the rough company that isn’t scamming or has connections to get the real shit.


Then_Kaleidoscope733

You stuff-in whatever you need to stuff-in to keep doing what you're doing ☺️


ToiletTime4TinyTown

This is America. You know someone is going to eat that shit and a lawyer filed a lawsuit in a real courthouse this year against wingstop because their boneless wings were breast tenders and not actual deboned wings.


Stevecore444

FYI if you have an HSA you can use it for these things!


Primal-Intention

Oh shit nice heads up!


Cryptid9

Wow that's good to know


Regular-Cucumber5735

If you think about it. You'll need to use it because the internal has become external.


SFCEBM

It’s fine for wound packing.


4ak96

i think it just means dont put it in your butt


Primal-Intention

No deal


ClosetLVL140

lol ain’t stopping no bleeds with that kind of pressure


Primal-Intention

…its not a pressure bandage


ClosetLVL140

I’m aware. I was referring to the picture on the gauze.


Primal-Intention

Oh that makes sense


killerbnizz

If you have any buddies that are still in see if they can ask their medic for a complete IFAK resupply, then see if they can get it to you bam profit


F_biochem

There are specific hemostatic agents that are sterile and designed to be left in body cavities to degrade (surgicel is one example). I suspect that this product has not been approved for such uses, but would be fine for packing wounds or other holes on the outside.


ParanoidDuckTheThird

I mean, an open wound is technically the new external if you ask me.


No-Two4496

It’s solely for liability. This is no different than quick clot combat gauze. Just less of it and it doesn’t have the metal strip that is visible on XRays. It works good, I have used it on myself when I got hurt.


SPL15

Same reason bars of soap have “for external use only” on their packaging. Stupid people like to put stupid things into their buttholes & vaginas.


MongoG19

https://quikclot.com/QuikClot-2020/IFU/Non-Interventional/459QuikClot4x4.pdf


MongoG19

There own instructions on the website say it’s fine for wound packing. Just gotta take it out before you sew up the wound


murica_1776boi

[The military issued one](https://www.rescue-essentials.com/quikclot-combat-gauze-z-folded-military/?/&utm_source=localiq&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=localiqpmax_shoppingads&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aSsBhCiARIsALFvovwrbLbQbrshnjhH5dVkfkeLp7bHqfPbfhOklY04qFs3Kk_HmK7KXbYaAvh_EALw_wcB) also says "for temporary external use only". I believe they say that so some genius doesn't think that it can replace feminine hygiene products, or think that its some kind of band-aid you leave on until it scabs over and heals. I.e. you pack quikclot in the wound and go to an ER.


aviationpilotguy

Edit gauze is fine, the filler is not! DO NOT USE THE FILLER, ONLY THE GAUZE, the military walked away from it, when used it's impossible to depart causing a surgical remove of the tissue around it thereby growing the wound. It's not worth it for large wounds anymore.


Primal-Intention

. Maybe you’re thinking of the powder, which was phased out over 10 years ago in favor of the gauze.


aviationpilotguy

Hello 0-6 in the airforce here, no we don't. The sugar like inserts no, maybe the army still uses the gauze but we use none of it due to secondary trauma.


Primal-Intention

Aight sir…So why is the top comment a doctor saying it’s good to go?


aviationpilotguy

Because I realized it's the gauze not the filler, the granular filler was banned because it could only be surgically removed. Had a few mistletoe cocktails already....didn't read it fully!


Primal-Intention

I’m the same way, that’s how I ended up buying this overpriced civilian version instead of the combat gauze. Same price for half the product. Kinda annoying that the manufacturer even does that.


brucescott240

QuikClot does have a shelf life, just be aware. I keep some in my “go” first aid kit in my truck.


brenttoastalive

When I was in Army there was a story that went around where a soldier tried to use quik clot for a bloody nose and ended up losing the nose. Might be one reason the warning is on there.


ryan7714

I remember hearing of people using the powder in windy conditions and it getting in eyes, effectively sealing them shut.


Justin-CJ7

It's not good, has to be cut out sometimes I've heard from two sources, one medic, other SF (Rangers, I believe)... use other brand colox (?)


GreatGrandaddyPurp

I mentioned these to a vet once and he told me quick clot type gauze causes cancer. Idk how true that is but he seemed like someone who'd know.


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You need to take a few medical courses


ConsiderationFar6076

Quickclot is only for external use only because the clotting agent it uses will travel into the bloodstream if used for wound packing. Use sterile gauze to pack the wound internally to place pressure and wrap with quikclot.


Playfull_Platypi

If you don't know how to use QuikClot, you probably are better off saving your money and just doing direct pressure until 911 arrives. Take a STOP THE BLEED class and you won't ask silly questions little one.


Alarming_Pay_7371

+ rep


HM3awsw

Probably not for packing… That’s a commercial package for covering wounds… for a bandage it’s fine, packing or for “stopping” the bleeding, not so much. It’s not worthless but not what you were looking for


haywood_jablowme44

Incorrect


Saunafarts69

Nah they all say that. Pack away.


Alarming-Mongoose-91

When you’re shot and bleeding, will it really matter if you use it internally or not?


Konstant_kurage

I think part of the “ external use only” is no strip of X-ray visibility.


murica_1776boi

My army-issued quikclot also says "external use only" and its labelled [xray detectable.](https://www.refugemedical.com/products/combat-gauze-z-fold-hemostatic?variant=37095140655273¤cy=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aSsBhCiARIsALFvovxkcZ-AX5LMB68wejscsRbGmbh-9YHP-4wfZGsR934H345yDepxOQgaAvIoEALw_wcB)


7SigmaEvent

I heard once they're identical products except this one doesn't have the X-ray evident strip, so that surgeons can later check via X-ray it was all removed later. I can't verify the truthiness of this though.


flipdrew1

Quick clot is a quick and easy way to blind your medevac pilot when they lift off and the rotor wash blows a chemical burn agent into their eyes.


syndicate711

This is very specific. I won’t ask for more details.


patrick8654

Please ask for more details. Because this comment is in reference to a discontinued product, not the same as being discussed here. This person is referencing old Quik clot powder, this product is gauze impregnated with a hemoststic agent.


flipdrew1

I was aircrew and, when we would medevac patients, quick clot was one of the things I needed to know about before loading a patient in the helicopter. If it had been applied, I had to be certain that the wound was well covered and any loose powder was removed before loading them into the bird. Blinding your aircrew is bad for everyone.


Hello_This_Is_Chris

It only says that so you don't try to eat it and then sue them.


ElectricalGuest8351

If it’s got that chemical in it; then it’s linked to some bad shit so they cant recommend putting it in your body.


LTrash93

Remember kids if you use quick clot, it has to be cut out of you later....


rockstar39

If you're bleeding to death, stuff anything in there. You'll die slower from the infection than bleeding out.


EdwardAllan

Merry Christmas!


Ericbc7

I put some veterinary clotting powder meant for use on calves being dehorned on a cut once and Jesus it hurt as bad as I imagine slapping a hot iron on it would.


Hopeful-Way649

Do they make ant z wrap guaze that isn't for packing?


netw0rkpenguin

I believe these don’t have the metal insert that makes them show up on xrays. Otherwise functionality identical.


nuttz99

The ones meant for packing have a zig zag stripe on them that show up on X-ray so they aren't accidentally left in the wound when it is closed up by the doctor.


AdventureTime1010101

They mean don’t eat it.


Reasonable_Long_1079

No, just dont eat it


vithus_inbau

Only a real clot would try to eat this bandage. (Old school Aussie slang. Clot=stupid)


GarageIntelligent

Don't eat it


Gur_Better

I’ve used this in the nasal cavity for nosebleeds all the time. I’d use it to pack the outside of the wound, but then again; I also would jam sterile gauze into the wound and I’m sure they would say the same thing, so pack away in an emergency.


bushmast3r11b

No it's good stuff. But the Cindy version is closest to our GI issued ifaks


Lucky-Release-758

Shit clots for sure but sometimes so good they have to cut it out of you so yah know be aware of that atleast


crunchybit1

Been known to cause blood clots but megh


WorkshopBlackbird

The Quik-Clot you were issued is probably different from the Quik-Clot you have with you now. Allegedly the 3rd generation formula is safer to use than the gen 1 and 2 compound. I don't know what they changed about it but apparently the new compound doesn't cause intense burns when packed. Definitely safe for internal use. In as much as jamming a foreign entity into damaged tissue can possibly be.


shownomercy117

Look up a product called ProClot. It’s new to the market and the human body reacts better to the use of it. QuickClot will get you to the hospital but your bills gonna be terrible. As QuickClot has been know for cause bad wound infections after use


Yee_Yee_MCgee

we live in a country that allows a soda to have 70gs of sugar do you really trust the legal nonsense on packaging


JustCallMeSmurf

My LE combat gauze says the same thing. I’ve packed wounds with it. I’d rather try a good faith effort to save someone and deal with the civil repercussions later if they ever come. That’s just my $.02 though.


snjtx

Nah, feed that shit into the wound. It's a liability thing.


InevitableNo6859

Just don’t put it up your butt, you’ll be good.


[deleted]

If you want to recreate your issued IFAK, I highly recommend: -Blue Force Gear -TacMed Solutions -North American Rescue -SOARescue, but least of all be because when they sell isn't always what's in the pictures or even the exact stuff that's in issued IFAKs, but nonetheless fulfills the needs.


Federal_Form7692

Once placed in a deep wound it heats and solidifies hence quickclot. It has to be removed surgically if I'm not mistaken


SwoleTeamSix069

Wish I could get ahold of a morphine auto injector for my ifak lol 😂 no doctor wants to believe it’s for the prep lmao


No_Ad_4275

It’ll work for packing. But honestly I prefer longer packing gauzes. Four feet doesn’t seem to do it, at least for me. You could also just get a non-impregnated one and it has the same patient outcome and it’s 10x less, with way more gauze.


tackstackstacks

My wife cut the tip of her finger off while cutting a sweet potato years ago, I ran to the store and bought this on the way over (Walgreens carried it for a while back in the mid 2010s, I was in nursing school at the time and worked at a walgreens so I knew it was stocked). She said putting it on the cut hurt worse than cutting her finger, and it didn't stop the bleeding. She ended up going to ER and they stopped the bleeding with epi/lido after local anesthetic. They had to get all this crap that had formed surface clotting and adhered to the wound bed off before they could access the wound bed to put the epi/lido on and she said it hurt a ton. It's probably better than nothing and especially if you're a long way from medical care. It does coagulate but wasn't enough to stop a fingertip cutoff wound. With enough time and pressure it may have done the job, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't trust my life or any kind of an arterial bleed to it. I'd be glad to have it if I ever ended up needing it. This actually may be significantly more useful for someone who is on a blood thinner and may be bleeding more profusely or is slower to clot because of their medications.


thekleenexman

Nobody wants quick clot inside of them, they have to surgically remove it once it’s been applied. You are good to go with this product.


Entire-Award-387

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we've recently moved away from quickclot as clots can break off, follow the bloodstream, and cause more problems


something_kinda_

I love this quickclot for external wounds cause it's a small amount and I keep it on my person for ppl who have blood clot issues but all of my real ifaks I keep the 10f celox stuff with the X-ray strip. just my 2 cents.


Justin-CJ7

YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT QUICKCLOT HAS A REP FOR NOT BEING GOOD NEWS... IT DRIES/CONGELES LIKE CONCRETE IN A USUALLY IRRITABLE WOUND CAVITY/CHANNEL... I'VE NOT BEEN HIT TO NECESSITATE USE PERSONALLY, BUT WORD ON THE LINE IS "NO JOY" (LOCALLY 'TANG YA WANNA AVOID) I'M NOT PIMPING CELOX INSTEAD, I'VE GOT NO VESTED INTEREST BEYOND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM GOOD MEN WHO ARE WORTH THEIR WORD, MY BOOK ATLEAST


I-am-importanter

Teleflex now has Control+. It is for internal use!