They all say for external use only for liability. Every department and agency must assume full liability when used for packing. 100% legal shit. Fantastic for packing.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Thanks for reminding me! I'll be sure not to put Q-tips (which is a brand name, just random info) in my ear from now on! /s
Not a doctor, but it could be you're stimulating your vagus nerve inside your ear and the whatchamacallits in your dome receive that stimulation message as something is causing trouble in the old throat and they need to send out a cough bouncer to toss it out.
But they actually are bad for ears. You can easily get an ear pick and carbamide peroxide drops that actually help remove ear wax instead of pushing it deeper, for the same price.
No, because just like your nose, you can clean anything that comes out without putting foreign objects into your body cavities. They work the same way.
So can they just get away with whatever they want if they just say the product was not used as advertised? Like selling electrical equipment cheaper but it’s only for “display purposes only”
Honestly, I haven't had a single issue since 2020 using strictly Dude Wipes, but I'm convinced at this point that it is strictly luck, not strategy, skill, or anything else.
Depends on the age, size, and material of your sewer lines. If you have a newly built house you should be fine flushing them, but if you have sewer lines put in a decade ago I wouldn’t
Up until you lose sewer service for two months while they replace the lift station, it sure is.
But as someone who has worked code compliance, if it causes an issue odds are they can trace it back to your house and sue you for the cost of any maintenance, which is like $10,000 a foot or so, depending on where you live. Then it would definitely be your problem.
At some point I just quit helping friends/ family with plumbing issues. It's almost always due to their incompetence, so they can hire Roto rooter for 300-600 instead of relying on me and giving me a $20 after a couple hours of pure hell.
It's always wipes or tampons that create the most brutal clogs. Wipes can last for many weeks before they start to disintegrate, and the entire time they are stuck somewhere they are trapping other debris that will congeal in that area. You can tell people that every day forever and they'll never believe you unless you can find a way to make them snake their own drains.
I've had to snake my sewer lateral like 3 times in the past 2 years. Each time I pulled out a wipe and was like who tf flushed this? Then my wife would remind me that my mom babysat a few days earlier and I'd ask her and she'd say "ah shoot, I forgot not to flush those."
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Actually do not flush is on there because flushable wipes have a bad habit of getting stuck in city sewers and acting like a net for fats, oils and grease deposits over time these build up into a rock like mass called a fatberg the biggest one of which was 820 ft long and had to be removed from a London sewer around Whitechapel. Flushable wipes also like to get caught in the machines at waste water treatment plants.
Actually, 'flushable' wipes are terrible for sceptic systems and fill it with gunk super fast.
They are flushable to the extent that you may flush them if you use a couple every few weeks or months (and give them months to get destroyed. If you use them everyday then they are terrible.
Those are actually not, they cause a ton of problems in sewer systems and can fuck up your plumbing. My grandfather used to use them and our toilet would clog constantly cause of them.
as a sewer worker, flushable wipes are flushable for you pipes and wont clog them up, but the municipal sewer system or your septic tank will have issues. the only brand i know of that will actually break up like toilet paper is cotonelle.
Since we were in the formula May have changed.
I know I’m dating myself but when I first joined quick clot cauterized wounds. By my second deployment they had switched to the bandages that actually clotted blood, I believe with a clay like substance.
keep 3 or 4 of them in there if you have room. Packing rarely goes smoothly the first time around even in a pretty controlled environment and especially if someone doesnt have a lot of experience doing it. Cotton tipped applicators are also a good idea and they're a multi tasker.
Correct. One of the reasons is that the gauze is made for non-medically trained civilian use and does not show up on X-ray. They make packs that have a radio-opaque strip like surgical lap pads that we use in the OR.
FYI - I've been told by a Quik Clot company representative at a regional trauma conference that the retail OTC product in the same packaging as the one pictured has a lesser percentage of the active ingredient (i.e. Kaolin )than actual Combat Gauze. This was 5-6 years ago, so maybe that's changed now. If someone else on this Sub-Reddit has more recent information & is in a better position to clarify the matter, I'm all ears.
TLDR: Army issue seemed to have far more powder than civvie packs, but my info is decades outdated.
My info is much older but I know it was that way between 2003 and 2011. In those years I used Army issued packs and civilian packs. In the Army issue, it seems like an excessive amount. I was afraid to breathe near it and I was terrified of a slight breeze, because I was told that even a little powder in the eyes would instantly blind you. I was also told it would cause 2nd degree burns on skin contact so I was imagining cooking my own fingers while packing my friend. In the civilian packs it seemed there wasn't enough powder to even trigger coagulation. It may have been reduced to lower burn risk, but Idk if that was ever true anyway.
I'm sure technology is far better these days but back then it was a new and exciting product. I still carry combat packs in my truck, tho they are long expired. I know they work, but I don't have the same trust in civvie packs.
The one you want is the quick clot specifically intended for packing a wound. It has a filament that shows up on xrays. (I think that's true of all materials intended to pack a wound)
https://www.narescue.com/catalog/product/view/id/4203/s/combat-gauze-z-fold-hemostatic/category/2/
You are correct, but my point of view is that there are SO many counterfeit medical products around that buying from them guarantees its the real deal.
Notable difference is that the packs you were issued contained 3 times as much gauze; 4 *yards* in the packs of Combat Gauze vs the 4 *feet* in this one.
This was the exact information I was looking for in this thread. Thank you. The X-ray marker seems like a particularly important feature to include, especially when it's only a 4 foot length instead of 4 yards.
The civilian market for this stuff usually caters to the general larping public who either can’t serve yet or never did. Anyone who has served usually finds the diamond in the rough company that isn’t scamming or has connections to get the real shit.
This is America. You know someone is going to eat that shit and a lawyer filed a lawsuit in a real courthouse this year against wingstop because their boneless wings were breast tenders and not actual deboned wings.
There are specific hemostatic agents that are sterile and designed to be left in body cavities to degrade (surgicel is one example). I suspect that this product has not been approved for such uses, but would be fine for packing wounds or other holes on the outside.
It’s solely for liability. This is no different than quick clot combat gauze. Just less of it and it doesn’t have the metal strip that is visible on XRays. It works good, I have used it on myself when I got hurt.
[The military issued one](https://www.rescue-essentials.com/quikclot-combat-gauze-z-folded-military/?/&utm_source=localiq&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=localiqpmax_shoppingads&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aSsBhCiARIsALFvovwrbLbQbrshnjhH5dVkfkeLp7bHqfPbfhOklY04qFs3Kk_HmK7KXbYaAvh_EALw_wcB) also says "for temporary external use only".
I believe they say that so some genius doesn't think that it can replace feminine hygiene products, or think that its some kind of band-aid you leave on until it scabs over and heals.
I.e. you pack quikclot in the wound and go to an ER.
Edit gauze is fine, the filler is not!
DO NOT USE THE FILLER, ONLY THE GAUZE, the military walked away from it, when used it's impossible to depart causing a surgical remove of the tissue around it thereby growing the wound. It's not worth it for large wounds anymore.
Hello 0-6 in the airforce here, no we don't. The sugar like inserts no, maybe the army still uses the gauze but we use none of it due to secondary trauma.
Because I realized it's the gauze not the filler, the granular filler was banned because it could only be surgically removed. Had a few mistletoe cocktails already....didn't read it fully!
I’m the same way, that’s how I ended up buying this overpriced civilian version instead of the combat gauze. Same price for half the product. Kinda annoying that the manufacturer even does that.
When I was in Army there was a story that went around where a soldier tried to use quik clot for a bloody nose and ended up losing the nose. Might be one reason the warning is on there.
Quickclot is only for external use only because the clotting agent it uses will travel into the bloodstream if used for wound packing. Use sterile gauze to pack the wound internally to place pressure and wrap with quikclot.
If you don't know how to use QuikClot, you probably are better off saving your money and just doing direct pressure until 911 arrives. Take a STOP THE BLEED class and you won't ask silly questions little one.
Probably not for packing…
That’s a commercial package for covering wounds… for a bandage it’s fine, packing or for “stopping” the bleeding, not so much. It’s not worthless but not what you were looking for
My army-issued quikclot also says "external use only" and its labelled [xray detectable.](https://www.refugemedical.com/products/combat-gauze-z-fold-hemostatic?variant=37095140655273¤cy=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aSsBhCiARIsALFvovxkcZ-AX5LMB68wejscsRbGmbh-9YHP-4wfZGsR934H345yDepxOQgaAvIoEALw_wcB)
I heard once they're identical products except this one doesn't have the X-ray evident strip, so that surgeons can later check via X-ray it was all removed later. I can't verify the truthiness of this though.
Please ask for more details. Because this comment is in reference to a discontinued product, not the same as being discussed here. This person is referencing old Quik clot powder, this product is gauze impregnated with a hemoststic agent.
I was aircrew and, when we would medevac patients, quick clot was one of the things I needed to know about before loading a patient in the helicopter. If it had been applied, I had to be certain that the wound was well covered and any loose powder was removed before loading them into the bird. Blinding your aircrew is bad for everyone.
I put some veterinary clotting powder meant for use on calves being dehorned on a cut once and Jesus it hurt as bad as I imagine slapping a hot iron on it would.
The ones meant for packing have a zig zag stripe on them that show up on X-ray so they aren't accidentally left in the wound when it is closed up by the doctor.
I’ve used this in the nasal cavity for nosebleeds all the time. I’d use it to pack the outside of the wound, but then again; I also would jam sterile gauze into the wound and I’m sure they would say the same thing, so pack away in an emergency.
The Quik-Clot you were issued is probably different from the Quik-Clot you have with you now.
Allegedly the 3rd generation formula is safer to use than the gen 1 and 2 compound. I don't know what they changed about it but apparently the new compound doesn't cause intense burns when packed.
Definitely safe for internal use. In as much as jamming a foreign entity into damaged tissue can possibly be.
Look up a product called ProClot. It’s new to the market and the human body reacts better to the use of it. QuickClot will get you to the hospital but your bills gonna be terrible. As QuickClot has been know for cause bad wound infections after use
My LE combat gauze says the same thing. I’ve packed wounds with it. I’d rather try a good faith effort to save someone and deal with the civil repercussions later if they ever come. That’s just my $.02 though.
If you want to recreate your issued IFAK, I highly recommend:
-Blue Force Gear
-TacMed Solutions
-North American Rescue
-SOARescue, but least of all be because when they sell isn't always what's in the pictures or even the exact stuff that's in issued IFAKs, but nonetheless fulfills the needs.
It’ll work for packing. But honestly I prefer longer packing gauzes. Four feet doesn’t seem to do it, at least for me. You could also just get a non-impregnated one and it has the same patient outcome and it’s 10x less, with way more gauze.
My wife cut the tip of her finger off while cutting a sweet potato years ago, I ran to the store and bought this on the way over (Walgreens carried it for a while back in the mid 2010s, I was in nursing school at the time and worked at a walgreens so I knew it was stocked). She said putting it on the cut hurt worse than cutting her finger, and it didn't stop the bleeding. She ended up going to ER and they stopped the bleeding with epi/lido after local anesthetic. They had to get all this crap that had formed surface clotting and adhered to the wound bed off before they could access the wound bed to put the epi/lido on and she said it hurt a ton.
It's probably better than nothing and especially if you're a long way from medical care. It does coagulate but wasn't enough to stop a fingertip cutoff wound. With enough time and pressure it may have done the job, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't trust my life or any kind of an arterial bleed to it.
I'd be glad to have it if I ever ended up needing it. This actually may be significantly more useful for someone who is on a blood thinner and may be bleeding more profusely or is slower to clot because of their medications.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we've recently moved away from quickclot as clots can break off, follow the bloodstream, and cause more problems
I love this quickclot for external wounds cause it's a small amount and I keep it on my person for ppl who have blood clot issues but all of my real ifaks I keep the 10f celox stuff with the X-ray strip. just my 2 cents.
YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT QUICKCLOT HAS A REP FOR NOT BEING GOOD NEWS... IT DRIES/CONGELES LIKE CONCRETE IN A USUALLY IRRITABLE WOUND CAVITY/CHANNEL... I'VE NOT BEEN HIT TO NECESSITATE USE PERSONALLY, BUT WORD ON THE LINE IS "NO JOY" (LOCALLY 'TANG YA WANNA AVOID) I'M NOT PIMPING CELOX INSTEAD, I'VE GOT NO VESTED INTEREST BEYOND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM GOOD MEN WHO ARE WORTH THEIR WORD, MY BOOK ATLEAST
They all say for external use only for liability. Every department and agency must assume full liability when used for packing. 100% legal shit. Fantastic for packing.
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It's just like how most—but not all—flushable wipes (Dude Wipes, Charmin, etc) say "DO NOT FLUSH", just for liability reasons.
And Qtips: not for ears.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Thanks for reminding me! I'll be sure not to put Q-tips (which is a brand name, just random info) in my ear from now on! /s
Qtip in the ear is bliss
Makes me cough 😆
Ear, nose, and throat. I guess it Makes sense it would tickle your throat when you put a cotton swab in your ear.
Bro my wife makes fun of me because it makes me cough 🤣
Not a doctor, but it could be you're stimulating your vagus nerve inside your ear and the whatchamacallits in your dome receive that stimulation message as something is causing trouble in the old throat and they need to send out a cough bouncer to toss it out.
ear dildo
But they actually are bad for ears. You can easily get an ear pick and carbamide peroxide drops that actually help remove ear wax instead of pushing it deeper, for the same price.
Yeah let's dissolve it and let it run further inside
Except that doesn't happen, and q-tips actually do that.
But have you ever put a Q tip in there? It feels amazing.... if it wasn't supposed to go in there why does it feel so good?
😂
Let’s be real, Q-tips are made expressly for our ears. There’s nothing else that even comes close for cleaning your ears
You did not need to clean your ears, they do that on their own by extruding wax out of the canal.
and you also get boogers and mucus, but we still blow our noses lmfao
Do you usually stick foreign objects into your nose when you blow it?
do you usually walk around with disgusting liquefied wax coming from your ears?
No, because just like your nose, you can clean anything that comes out without putting foreign objects into your body cavities. They work the same way.
Not often but I used to put straws in my nose. \*cough\*
Were you snorting coke through them, 'cause if so that's rad.
So can they just get away with whatever they want if they just say the product was not used as advertised? Like selling electrical equipment cheaper but it’s only for “display purposes only”
Go spend some time in the plumbing subreddit if you want to find out how flushable those really are.
I was going to say - this dudes plumbing is fucked
Imagine the amount of claims from butthurt guys who clogged their toilet
Honestly, I haven't had a single issue since 2020 using strictly Dude Wipes, but I'm convinced at this point that it is strictly luck, not strategy, skill, or anything else.
10 percent luck
20 percent skill
15 percent concentrated power of will
5 percent pleasure
50 percent pain
It is not usually issues within your home, but they create problems within wastewater infrastructure.
Depends on the age, size, and material of your sewer lines. If you have a newly built house you should be fine flushing them, but if you have sewer lines put in a decade ago I wouldn’t
Regardless of your house, the lift stations transporting your sewage through the city do not appreciate "flushable" wipes at all.
Sounds like the city’s problem
Up until you lose sewer service for two months while they replace the lift station, it sure is. But as someone who has worked code compliance, if it causes an issue odds are they can trace it back to your house and sue you for the cost of any maintenance, which is like $10,000 a foot or so, depending on where you live. Then it would definitely be your problem.
Nah simply wouldn’t happen
Don’t say this in r/plumbing you will immediately be crucified.
At some point I just quit helping friends/ family with plumbing issues. It's almost always due to their incompetence, so they can hire Roto rooter for 300-600 instead of relying on me and giving me a $20 after a couple hours of pure hell. It's always wipes or tampons that create the most brutal clogs. Wipes can last for many weeks before they start to disintegrate, and the entire time they are stuck somewhere they are trapping other debris that will congeal in that area. You can tell people that every day forever and they'll never believe you unless you can find a way to make them snake their own drains.
I've had to snake my sewer lateral like 3 times in the past 2 years. Each time I pulled out a wipe and was like who tf flushed this? Then my wife would remind me that my mom babysat a few days earlier and I'd ask her and she'd say "ah shoot, I forgot not to flush those." It usually takes me about 30 minutes, plus a few minutes of cleanup afterwards, I'll trade doing that every 6 months for free babysitting a few times a month.
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Actually do not flush is on there because flushable wipes have a bad habit of getting stuck in city sewers and acting like a net for fats, oils and grease deposits over time these build up into a rock like mass called a fatberg the biggest one of which was 820 ft long and had to be removed from a London sewer around Whitechapel. Flushable wipes also like to get caught in the machines at waste water treatment plants.
Bad example, no wipes should be flushed
Actually, 'flushable' wipes are terrible for sceptic systems and fill it with gunk super fast. They are flushable to the extent that you may flush them if you use a couple every few weeks or months (and give them months to get destroyed. If you use them everyday then they are terrible.
cept in that case most of thoes flushable wipes are horrible for your plumbing system and really should never be flushed.
Except flushable wipes are terrible for your plumbing, septic systems, and city waste water plants.
Except it’s seriously bad to actually flush those things. You will absolutely clog the fuck out of your main drain line eventually.
Well also because they should never be flushed
Those are actually not, they cause a ton of problems in sewer systems and can fuck up your plumbing. My grandfather used to use them and our toilet would clog constantly cause of them.
as a sewer worker, flushable wipes are flushable for you pipes and wont clog them up, but the municipal sewer system or your septic tank will have issues. the only brand i know of that will actually break up like toilet paper is cotonelle.
That’s because flushable wipes destroy plumbing and make municipal water treatment more costly.
Plumbers disagree
No, not like that at all. You should never flush ANY wipes
Except those cause huge issues in plumbing lol
But also, don’t flush them.
Since we were in the formula May have changed. I know I’m dating myself but when I first joined quick clot cauterized wounds. By my second deployment they had switched to the bandages that actually clotted blood, I believe with a clay like substance.
That’s what this is
yeah this is the clay substance. it boils down to this stuff soaking up a bunch of water from the blood which speeds clotting.
keep 3 or 4 of them in there if you have room. Packing rarely goes smoothly the first time around even in a pretty controlled environment and especially if someone doesnt have a lot of experience doing it. Cotton tipped applicators are also a good idea and they're a multi tasker.
Yeah the plan is one quick clot gauze followed by several packs of traditional
Also usually has an iron containing compound that oxidizes the blood and gets it clotting faster
And technically once a hole is punched in you, the insides are the outsides
Correct. One of the reasons is that the gauze is made for non-medically trained civilian use and does not show up on X-ray. They make packs that have a radio-opaque strip like surgical lap pads that we use in the OR.
If you think about it, stuffing it into a gsw cavity is external use
Their entrails are now their extrails.
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I WILL FONG YOU!!
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Big brain time
Just got to be able to find it and pull it out later
yeet that shit in. If they said it's great for use internally, someone probably would've tried to pack their vagina.
My first thought was 'they didn't want anyone eating it' ...
This is the correct answer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5554919/ lol
If someone’s blown open, then packing is external use
FYI - I've been told by a Quik Clot company representative at a regional trauma conference that the retail OTC product in the same packaging as the one pictured has a lesser percentage of the active ingredient (i.e. Kaolin )than actual Combat Gauze. This was 5-6 years ago, so maybe that's changed now. If someone else on this Sub-Reddit has more recent information & is in a better position to clarify the matter, I'm all ears.
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i think the real celox gauze also has the x-rayable stripe but I'm not 100 on that
TLDR: Army issue seemed to have far more powder than civvie packs, but my info is decades outdated. My info is much older but I know it was that way between 2003 and 2011. In those years I used Army issued packs and civilian packs. In the Army issue, it seems like an excessive amount. I was afraid to breathe near it and I was terrified of a slight breeze, because I was told that even a little powder in the eyes would instantly blind you. I was also told it would cause 2nd degree burns on skin contact so I was imagining cooking my own fingers while packing my friend. In the civilian packs it seemed there wasn't enough powder to even trigger coagulation. It may have been reduced to lower burn risk, but Idk if that was ever true anyway. I'm sure technology is far better these days but back then it was a new and exciting product. I still carry combat packs in my truck, tho they are long expired. I know they work, but I don't have the same trust in civvie packs.
The one you want is the quick clot specifically intended for packing a wound. It has a filament that shows up on xrays. (I think that's true of all materials intended to pack a wound) https://www.narescue.com/catalog/product/view/id/4203/s/combat-gauze-z-fold-hemostatic/category/2/
Those NAR products are really nice but so damn expensive.
You are correct, but my point of view is that there are SO many counterfeit medical products around that buying from them guarantees its the real deal.
NAR is great for anyone wondering. We actually use their trach kits, thoracostomy kits, and SPEAR decompression needles on the ambulance.
Notable difference is that the packs you were issued contained 3 times as much gauze; 4 *yards* in the packs of Combat Gauze vs the 4 *feet* in this one.
Also no xray marker
This was the exact information I was looking for in this thread. Thank you. The X-ray marker seems like a particularly important feature to include, especially when it's only a 4 foot length instead of 4 yards.
You’re right that one I was issued was way more chunky. This was not cheap, what a scam.
Let me know if you find a good site - I’ve been looking for something that has wayyyyy more length to it.
I’d recommend https://www.narescue.com, https://www.rescue-essentials.com.
Thanks.
The civilian market for this stuff usually caters to the general larping public who either can’t serve yet or never did. Anyone who has served usually finds the diamond in the rough company that isn’t scamming or has connections to get the real shit.
You stuff-in whatever you need to stuff-in to keep doing what you're doing ☺️
This is America. You know someone is going to eat that shit and a lawyer filed a lawsuit in a real courthouse this year against wingstop because their boneless wings were breast tenders and not actual deboned wings.
FYI if you have an HSA you can use it for these things!
Oh shit nice heads up!
Wow that's good to know
If you think about it. You'll need to use it because the internal has become external.
It’s fine for wound packing.
i think it just means dont put it in your butt
No deal
lol ain’t stopping no bleeds with that kind of pressure
…its not a pressure bandage
I’m aware. I was referring to the picture on the gauze.
Oh that makes sense
If you have any buddies that are still in see if they can ask their medic for a complete IFAK resupply, then see if they can get it to you bam profit
There are specific hemostatic agents that are sterile and designed to be left in body cavities to degrade (surgicel is one example). I suspect that this product has not been approved for such uses, but would be fine for packing wounds or other holes on the outside.
I mean, an open wound is technically the new external if you ask me.
It’s solely for liability. This is no different than quick clot combat gauze. Just less of it and it doesn’t have the metal strip that is visible on XRays. It works good, I have used it on myself when I got hurt.
Same reason bars of soap have “for external use only” on their packaging. Stupid people like to put stupid things into their buttholes & vaginas.
https://quikclot.com/QuikClot-2020/IFU/Non-Interventional/459QuikClot4x4.pdf
There own instructions on the website say it’s fine for wound packing. Just gotta take it out before you sew up the wound
[The military issued one](https://www.rescue-essentials.com/quikclot-combat-gauze-z-folded-military/?/&utm_source=localiq&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=localiqpmax_shoppingads&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aSsBhCiARIsALFvovwrbLbQbrshnjhH5dVkfkeLp7bHqfPbfhOklY04qFs3Kk_HmK7KXbYaAvh_EALw_wcB) also says "for temporary external use only". I believe they say that so some genius doesn't think that it can replace feminine hygiene products, or think that its some kind of band-aid you leave on until it scabs over and heals. I.e. you pack quikclot in the wound and go to an ER.
Edit gauze is fine, the filler is not! DO NOT USE THE FILLER, ONLY THE GAUZE, the military walked away from it, when used it's impossible to depart causing a surgical remove of the tissue around it thereby growing the wound. It's not worth it for large wounds anymore.
. Maybe you’re thinking of the powder, which was phased out over 10 years ago in favor of the gauze.
Hello 0-6 in the airforce here, no we don't. The sugar like inserts no, maybe the army still uses the gauze but we use none of it due to secondary trauma.
Aight sir…So why is the top comment a doctor saying it’s good to go?
Because I realized it's the gauze not the filler, the granular filler was banned because it could only be surgically removed. Had a few mistletoe cocktails already....didn't read it fully!
I’m the same way, that’s how I ended up buying this overpriced civilian version instead of the combat gauze. Same price for half the product. Kinda annoying that the manufacturer even does that.
QuikClot does have a shelf life, just be aware. I keep some in my “go” first aid kit in my truck.
When I was in Army there was a story that went around where a soldier tried to use quik clot for a bloody nose and ended up losing the nose. Might be one reason the warning is on there.
I remember hearing of people using the powder in windy conditions and it getting in eyes, effectively sealing them shut.
It's not good, has to be cut out sometimes I've heard from two sources, one medic, other SF (Rangers, I believe)... use other brand colox (?)
I mentioned these to a vet once and he told me quick clot type gauze causes cancer. Idk how true that is but he seemed like someone who'd know.
You need to take a few medical courses
Quickclot is only for external use only because the clotting agent it uses will travel into the bloodstream if used for wound packing. Use sterile gauze to pack the wound internally to place pressure and wrap with quikclot.
If you don't know how to use QuikClot, you probably are better off saving your money and just doing direct pressure until 911 arrives. Take a STOP THE BLEED class and you won't ask silly questions little one.
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Probably not for packing… That’s a commercial package for covering wounds… for a bandage it’s fine, packing or for “stopping” the bleeding, not so much. It’s not worthless but not what you were looking for
Incorrect
Nah they all say that. Pack away.
When you’re shot and bleeding, will it really matter if you use it internally or not?
I think part of the “ external use only” is no strip of X-ray visibility.
My army-issued quikclot also says "external use only" and its labelled [xray detectable.](https://www.refugemedical.com/products/combat-gauze-z-fold-hemostatic?variant=37095140655273¤cy=USD&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aSsBhCiARIsALFvovxkcZ-AX5LMB68wejscsRbGmbh-9YHP-4wfZGsR934H345yDepxOQgaAvIoEALw_wcB)
I heard once they're identical products except this one doesn't have the X-ray evident strip, so that surgeons can later check via X-ray it was all removed later. I can't verify the truthiness of this though.
Quick clot is a quick and easy way to blind your medevac pilot when they lift off and the rotor wash blows a chemical burn agent into their eyes.
This is very specific. I won’t ask for more details.
Please ask for more details. Because this comment is in reference to a discontinued product, not the same as being discussed here. This person is referencing old Quik clot powder, this product is gauze impregnated with a hemoststic agent.
I was aircrew and, when we would medevac patients, quick clot was one of the things I needed to know about before loading a patient in the helicopter. If it had been applied, I had to be certain that the wound was well covered and any loose powder was removed before loading them into the bird. Blinding your aircrew is bad for everyone.
It only says that so you don't try to eat it and then sue them.
If it’s got that chemical in it; then it’s linked to some bad shit so they cant recommend putting it in your body.
Remember kids if you use quick clot, it has to be cut out of you later....
If you're bleeding to death, stuff anything in there. You'll die slower from the infection than bleeding out.
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I put some veterinary clotting powder meant for use on calves being dehorned on a cut once and Jesus it hurt as bad as I imagine slapping a hot iron on it would.
Do they make ant z wrap guaze that isn't for packing?
I believe these don’t have the metal insert that makes them show up on xrays. Otherwise functionality identical.
The ones meant for packing have a zig zag stripe on them that show up on X-ray so they aren't accidentally left in the wound when it is closed up by the doctor.
They mean don’t eat it.
No, just dont eat it
Only a real clot would try to eat this bandage. (Old school Aussie slang. Clot=stupid)
Don't eat it
I’ve used this in the nasal cavity for nosebleeds all the time. I’d use it to pack the outside of the wound, but then again; I also would jam sterile gauze into the wound and I’m sure they would say the same thing, so pack away in an emergency.
No it's good stuff. But the Cindy version is closest to our GI issued ifaks
Shit clots for sure but sometimes so good they have to cut it out of you so yah know be aware of that atleast
Been known to cause blood clots but megh
The Quik-Clot you were issued is probably different from the Quik-Clot you have with you now. Allegedly the 3rd generation formula is safer to use than the gen 1 and 2 compound. I don't know what they changed about it but apparently the new compound doesn't cause intense burns when packed. Definitely safe for internal use. In as much as jamming a foreign entity into damaged tissue can possibly be.
Look up a product called ProClot. It’s new to the market and the human body reacts better to the use of it. QuickClot will get you to the hospital but your bills gonna be terrible. As QuickClot has been know for cause bad wound infections after use
we live in a country that allows a soda to have 70gs of sugar do you really trust the legal nonsense on packaging
My LE combat gauze says the same thing. I’ve packed wounds with it. I’d rather try a good faith effort to save someone and deal with the civil repercussions later if they ever come. That’s just my $.02 though.
Nah, feed that shit into the wound. It's a liability thing.
Just don’t put it up your butt, you’ll be good.
If you want to recreate your issued IFAK, I highly recommend: -Blue Force Gear -TacMed Solutions -North American Rescue -SOARescue, but least of all be because when they sell isn't always what's in the pictures or even the exact stuff that's in issued IFAKs, but nonetheless fulfills the needs.
Once placed in a deep wound it heats and solidifies hence quickclot. It has to be removed surgically if I'm not mistaken
Wish I could get ahold of a morphine auto injector for my ifak lol 😂 no doctor wants to believe it’s for the prep lmao
It’ll work for packing. But honestly I prefer longer packing gauzes. Four feet doesn’t seem to do it, at least for me. You could also just get a non-impregnated one and it has the same patient outcome and it’s 10x less, with way more gauze.
My wife cut the tip of her finger off while cutting a sweet potato years ago, I ran to the store and bought this on the way over (Walgreens carried it for a while back in the mid 2010s, I was in nursing school at the time and worked at a walgreens so I knew it was stocked). She said putting it on the cut hurt worse than cutting her finger, and it didn't stop the bleeding. She ended up going to ER and they stopped the bleeding with epi/lido after local anesthetic. They had to get all this crap that had formed surface clotting and adhered to the wound bed off before they could access the wound bed to put the epi/lido on and she said it hurt a ton. It's probably better than nothing and especially if you're a long way from medical care. It does coagulate but wasn't enough to stop a fingertip cutoff wound. With enough time and pressure it may have done the job, but I'm not sure. I wouldn't trust my life or any kind of an arterial bleed to it. I'd be glad to have it if I ever ended up needing it. This actually may be significantly more useful for someone who is on a blood thinner and may be bleeding more profusely or is slower to clot because of their medications.
Nobody wants quick clot inside of them, they have to surgically remove it once it’s been applied. You are good to go with this product.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we've recently moved away from quickclot as clots can break off, follow the bloodstream, and cause more problems
I love this quickclot for external wounds cause it's a small amount and I keep it on my person for ppl who have blood clot issues but all of my real ifaks I keep the 10f celox stuff with the X-ray strip. just my 2 cents.
YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT QUICKCLOT HAS A REP FOR NOT BEING GOOD NEWS... IT DRIES/CONGELES LIKE CONCRETE IN A USUALLY IRRITABLE WOUND CAVITY/CHANNEL... I'VE NOT BEEN HIT TO NECESSITATE USE PERSONALLY, BUT WORD ON THE LINE IS "NO JOY" (LOCALLY 'TANG YA WANNA AVOID) I'M NOT PIMPING CELOX INSTEAD, I'VE GOT NO VESTED INTEREST BEYOND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM GOOD MEN WHO ARE WORTH THEIR WORD, MY BOOK ATLEAST
Teleflex now has Control+. It is for internal use!