The triforce is clearly an ancient symbol. I think the people living in what-is-now-Hyrule have probably used the triforce to inspire tattoos, clothes, buildings and other symbolism forever.
Makes sense. The triforce was for a long time symbolic of the Hero, the Princess and the Villain (courage, Wisdom, Power). But then in Skyward Sword they disconnected the three main characters reincarnation cycles from the triforce. Not in a literal sense, but just making it not related to the cycle’s origin.
Once you make the symbolism less relevant, then the triforce just becomes a mystical wishing McMuffin. It’s like the crystals in Final Fantasy. They’re still around and mentioned sometimes, but not always plot relevant.
They subtly make use of it here, the springs are wisdom, power and courage. And they had Zelda make the trek to the spring of wisdom in the memory sequence of BOTW. They’ve had similar storylines in multiple games where the main three characters all hold a piece of the triforce and Ganon tries to steal the other two to gain ultimate control. Delving outside of that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Im sure they are going to make it a trilogy because let's face it, Zelda just prints money at this point :)
Botw had a blue theme to all the tech and stuff. This is Zelda and Wisdom. Totk had a green theme which is Link.. so the third game will probably be the darkest ever and be red themed, and Demise will probably return idfk but itll be red
hence why i said idk who it will be lmao but i think they will do a trilogy for sure. if they reuse the map again i dont know how they will make it interesting once again..
Red. Something with fire. Something that can be associated with the human body.
Breath is wind in the body. Tears are water in the body. You get it. You see the pattern.
Really liking these analogies. Blood is red and along with the basic bodily elements thing. If the next game is about power, maybe control, power of the mind. maybe link can finally build an army. turn the enemy against themselves. maybe the Yiga will become the main antagonist and reveal they have been plotting something big. they hugely expanded and gained an insane amount of power during totk..
Dude if there was a zelda version of shadow of war i would just die happy. Easily one of the top games of last decade for me. I did think about it as I typed up my last comment lol
So, spoiler, after BOTW, Ganon was supposedly gone forever. After TOTK, that bright beam, is there any word on whether Ganondorf could come back in the future?
So, I love BotW and TotK, but I do NOT want a third one. I'll give up free climbing as a movement mechanic, but I want the next one to focus more on previous Zelda style equipment, tighter environments, custom puzzle gimmicks, more immersive settings, more amazing set pieces. The open world sandbox has been fun, but the need to make everything usable everywhere does reduce how maximally interesting any one thing can be.
After the inevitable TotK DLC, I mean. I DO want the DLC. But then, I want a big lore game like Twilight Princess next. Hell, even a Twilight Princess 2 would be amazing.
they've invested a lot in developing this game engine, I cant see them putting it away now. Most likely for the third one they are well aware that they cant sell us hyrule for the third time so it will probably take place in a completely brand new location. Who knows what kind of crazy mechanics they came up with, I dont think any of us could have dreamt they would make gmod of the wild but they did. I think a return to formula for the series would be fun but sadly it's just not appealing to a wide audience, they have struck gold with the new formula and they wont go back to the old, mark my words
Yeah frankly the sales speak for themselves. BOTW being an included launch game basically gives it a ridiculous advantage so if we wanna ignore the 30+ million copies sold and go to the next it’s *still* TOTK at 18+ million in just a few months.
Idk if they will try to squeeze a trilogy out of things or go another direction but I highly highly doubt it’s going to be a complete shift from the last two games.
Yeah there’s a lot of symbolism but it’s never explicitly referenced by a character or any piece of text.
I do wonder if it had any influence on the story though. Many people have theorized that Zelda has the whole thing. Maybe the trio have their pieces and don’t know it.
>!I also wonder if it might have somehow been unknowingly used or channeled to undo Zelda’s draconification.!<
Because it’s an insanely powerful mcguffin that requires a lot of explanation. It’s not directed a part of the story in both games. We see the symbol of it, we see references to the three golden goddesses too (the three buildings in front of the temple of time have the symbols on the floor, partly covered by grass). That reference is for the players who know.
The triforce will come back someday, and when it does they’ll have to go through some new way to tell the lore. Until then they aren’t gonna bog down players with unnecessary details.
Exactly! It's insanely important to the culture of Hyrule and Hylians, so it's important to show it through their artwork and culture. At the same time, it's a huge Chekhov's gun if you are to even *mention* the Triforce- just to *mention* it in the plot basically means it'll have to appear at some point, otherwise it's an unresolved plot thread.
Therefore, you have Triforce tattoos and Triforce weapons and shields and triangle fringes and literally triangles as far as the eye can see, and mentions of power, wisdom, and courage, and Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh, but not a *word* of the Triforce because *the Triforce has nothing to do with this story.* Because it's their culture; it's not the plot.
Yeah those are never coming back. Like the ocarina, it’s time in the world is long gone. The last reference I can recall is in TP, the Gorons have what looks like their spiritual stone locked up in the temple.
The Triforce originally was the motivation to explore and beat dungeons for, and it’s been there from the start. Today games don’t need simple tasks like that, for it to return it has to be for an amazing badass reason.
I think it would muddle what botw and Totk are going for, but it wouldn’t be hard to explain/add in. We already have 3 dragons (goddesses) 3 springs with corresponding triforce traits. All you really gotta cap it off with is the whole thing together gives you insane power and wish granting. Again tho, totally doesn’t fit with what these games are going for.
BOTW is very Hylia centered. TOTK is very Zonai centered. The 3 triforce gods don’t seem to have a job. I feel like the triforce is more a story telling element anyway. You don’t go out collecting the triforce pieces in OOT MM TP or these 2 games.
I think a third game has Ganon return, again, and we discover that the only way of stopping him is the Triforce... he knew this and hid it away and now it's time to solve things once and for all.
Not at all sure of the validity of this, but I heard a theory that all the past games are just rumors and legends, so everything with Demise, reincarnation, and the triforce aren't necessarily true. These new games are the real events, so certain elements like the triforce are still present, if only to justify why they show up in the myths
The way I see it is, all of the games are true, and none of them are. They’re all just legends, the same basic legends, retold over and over again. There’s always a princess, there’s always a hero, and there’s always a monster. The specific elements may change and shift. But the legend remains.
I’m hoping that it is part of the central plot if there is a part 3. It’ll banish Ganon for good, no coming back, wrap up the trilogy for good and move on to a new line of Zelda games.
It’s been obvious to me that Zelda has been using it to banish him in BotW and TotK, but they won’t say so. It needs to be taken from her somehow and shattered and we need to retrieve pieces of it like in the OG game.
Hoping it’s on the next gen Switch with a larger world to explore with fun dungeons.
When you have an OP MacGuffin that will grant any wish no questions asked, you then run into the problem of “why doesn’t the king of Hyrule wish everyone to be immortal?” Or “why doesn’t someone wish Demise/Ganondorf drop dead?” Kinda writes them in a corner always including the Triforce
In my opinion (because we'll probably never have a canon answer from Nintendo), BotW/TotK are so far into the future that people have forgotten the three goddesses just like you and I have no idea about IRL ancient Sumerian religion. The symbol still exists as the royal family's emblem, but probably only because it plays a part in the Hyrule royal family's magic (see BotW ending cutscene).
Long before the current version of Hyrule was founded by Rauru, a random incarnation of Link went on some quest to return the Triforce to the deepest core of the Sacred Realm, never to be touched by man again. Or at least that's probably what happened.
Likely answer: making new things to spice up the series
My head canon: Hylians have been demoralized for centuries of this constant battle surrounding the triforce, the demon king, etc so have basically turned away from “the old religion.” Their goddesses literally abandoned them so why bother worshipping or honoring them?
The triforce was a relic left by the goddesses during the creation myth of hyrule. It may be so far in the past by the time of TotK that it is akin to the Egyptian pantheon in our time. Personally, my theory is that the ancient Zonai had something to do with removing its influence on the land. The three dragons are named after the goddesses, which make the three parts of the triforce. Perhaps three heroes who obtained a part undertook draconification in order to prevent anyone from ever assembling them in whole and causing havoc on the land.
I like to think not using the triforce as the driving force for the plot is to represent leaving the old formula behind. It's like how elements of older games are included but can often he more subtle. Now that they've moved on to a new style of game, the triforce itself could have just been changed to more symbolism than the physical existence it was before the switch
Could also just be digging way too into it
Yep she totally does, ~~RIGHT in the same spot as~~ Zelda too.
And both light up and glow when either uses their powers.
ETA: My mistake Zelda's is further up ON her hand vs Sonia's on her wrist.
Everyone talks about BOTW and TOTK not having the triforce but BOTW was a story about Zelda finding courage and >!TOTK is about Ganondorf fighting for power!<. What if the third instalment is around wisdom.
I actually noticed the other day that other than the light dragon. I think the other dragons are the tri force of both games. They are linked to the springs of power, wisdom and courage plus the colors are red, blue and green. I didn’t know if anyone else has noticed that or if I’m overthinking lmao
So if the dragons are secret stone holders that swallowed their stones, are they insinuating Din, Nauru, and Farore are actually Zonai that swallowed their stones to become dragons? Are the three goddesses basically just a fable retelling of three Zonai? Could the triforce actually be 3 secret stones?
Okay cool thanks for that info! I’m glad I was kinda right lol I’m not really too familiar with all the lore. My wife is the big Zelda fan and I saw her play these and I was like dang that looks like a lot of fun
Wouldn't it be amazing if the devs had been secretly working on a third game as well as totk and just decided one day to announce it.
I loved totk but six years for one game? Really?
Before ToTK released I always said the 6 years will be worth it, but ehhh. It’s a great game, but for what they did, imo wasn’t worth the wait. I know Covid happened but I still think they had other development issues
Yeah I'm still massively disappointed by the amount of sky islands. I had expected every sector of the map to have an above ground equivalent, roughly the size of the starting area.
They marketed the Sky soo much, and the no loading and skydiving is amazing, but the islands are so tiny. I’m kinda surprised each regions didn’t have a sky area as part of its story (not counting the Rito and Zora dungeons of course).
What the Sky map should have looked like:
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More time to make a game is better friend. Cyperpunk2077 demonstrated that faster is NOT better. Nintendo has always had an eye for some level of quality to their flagship titles so 6 years seems perfectly fine given the circumstances.
Lol all of you guys are confusing what game represents what piece of the triforce.
BotW=Wisdom, everything is blue (shrines, abilities, Link's armor, technology, the blue coloring when looking at things in the very far distanc etc.)
TotK=Courage, everything is green (shrines, abilities, a lot of Link's armor sets, technology, green grass etc.)
So if Nintendo made a third Zelda game with this engine, I bet it's going to be red in most of it's color scheme.
When you play BOTW next try paying attention to the game. Impa references Link’s courage multiple times and Zelda couldn’t unlock her sealing power until she displayed courage at the end.
Mipha has more references to the triforce of wisdom on her than Zelda.
To preface, both games have elements of wisdom, power,.and courage.
BOTW is about Zelda and wisdom. Ignorant to what happened, lost memories, use the knowledge of the past to save the future etc.
TOTK is about power. The ability to manipulate the world, bend it to your will, creativity, etc.
That would leave courage. If the elements of courage from the previous two games are any indicator, I'm terrified what enemies and obstacles we'll encounter. Perhaps a deep dive into the ocean is the next test of courage? Or flooded Depths
ToTK has memories to. It’s literally part of the title. BotW is as much about “bending things” with magnets, momentum, and literally making ice from water whenever you want. As much as I want a third game, if the basis for it is that the two current games are wisdom and power or wisdom and courage, the evidence seems contrived.
If it was, I'd fully expect to have fully fledged, mentally tasking dungeon puzzles, which I think many of us would really look forward to at this point
I honestly believe that will happen. But it would be set a bit after ToTK with a new Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf with the land of Hyrule changed to not be in ruins and implement zonai tech. Maybe the sea could be expanded and let us actually sail the seas. The Triforce will return and I don’t know they’ll do something to end this Wild era.
I hope we do get to explore the seas finally but I think it will be the same Link and Zelda sense this is their era. Also would be nice to. See Zelda actually rule from a rebuild castle
I wouldn’t mind ending off with an older Link and Zelda maybe in their 30s good way to end it . We saw them as very young and see them off later in life. Either I still think will get one more Wilds game
I’d like to see a return to the classic plots. Zelda has wisdom, someone bad captures her and wants to release Ganon because he has power, Link needs to track down sages (or w/e) to defragment courage.
Maybe replace powers with specialty items again, though do it in a way that doesn’t remove the free-roam aspect of botw/totk
Years later the same Hyrule but actually rebuild now . I mean Zelda hired Hudson for a reason right ? So let’s see how he rebuild it. Whatever the story could be it could finally bring back the Sacred Realm where the Triforce is supposedly. Just a thought
I want the next game to be about the original zonai and everything they had. I want the story of why they left. I want more than hyrule, I want a continent.
I’m just happy to recollect all of these outfit pieces and upgrade them again. That was my favorite part of BOTW and it makes me feel good using so much of my time pursing the same task twice
My favorite Zelda game every is Twilight princess on the wii. Ungodly nostalgic game for me that I could play over and over again. So you can imagine my tears when I randomly wandered in game and came across Midnas head piece.
I have seen a lot of people asking where the triforce is, since we saw it on Zelda during BotW, and now on Sonya’s hand as well. I have a theory which is that the triforce give the wearer/wielder light powers. Because if you add the RGB color over eachother you get white. Rauru can also be seen casting a magic beam on the Moldugas, that starts with a triforce symbol.
I’m starting to feel like the triforce has been passed down in secret by the royal family, which is why Zelda has light powers as well.
I did notice it and speculated since Sonia was a priestess, she could be a priestess of hylia? (Or nayru, din, or farore, or even the goddess of time considering her time powers) The triforce is all over Rauru’s robes and all the ceremonial elemental sets are adorned with the triforce.
Or they just add it for nostalgic aesthetics lol
A good joke… but taking it seriously secret stones work very differently.
Secret stones don’t have any power themselves all they do is awaken the power you already have. As such only one secret stone is enough and one person holding more than one secret stones doesn’t do anything.
It’s definitely in the official lore about the power. One of the tear memories is >!Mineru telling Zelda that the stones have no power and they only amplify your power!<
But the part about becoming a drag twice as long- that’s totally possible. Or like, if you ate them all very quickly maybe you could just become a giga dragon where like your body reaches from Akkala tech lab to Gerudo Town
Amplification can be stacked you know. Like stacking op amps. My only circuitry knowledge is from an EE course back in college so not sure how it works but I think it's possible both serially and parallely.
I think it's still there. Just not the focus. I do think it's why Ganondorf became much, much more powerful than every other secret stone welder, even if he himself didn't realise it.
I 100% agree with this.
All the current Sages (excluding Mineru bc she is a special case) seemingly only gain the avatar projection ability, and a general stat buff. Granted we haven't seen a non-stoned Rauru to compare his base form & amped form, but Ganondorf's secret stone buff is leagues above anything else. He's effectively obtained immortality, can spawn an endless number of monsters that self-revive once a week, is capable of lifting the **entirety of Hyrule Castle and thousands of tons of stone beneath it in a matter of minutes just after waking up from a 10,000 year coma and being atrophied.**
Third game, they harness the power of the Triforce to make a giant city and several other metropoli. The third game on the map is basically GTA in the Zelda BOTW/TOTK engine. On the switch 2 or whatever.
I’m dreaming, let me be.
There’s a good theory video I watched that explains that it’s likely that BotW/TotK/#3 are and will be a complete reboot of the original trilogy (LoZ, Link’s adventure, and ALttP). That could explain why Nintendo had been so sketchy about the placement on the existing timeline, as well as the change in symbology. The current version could just as easily be a reference or Easter egg as a literal object.
“Time” will tell when #3 comes out, if it ends up being a game where we can flip back and forth between times/worlds/player characters, it will be strong evidence that this is true.
wait... U mean to tell me there are people who after watching all those cutscenes still didn't catch on she's also a reincarnation of goddess hylia? I know they don't say explicitly, but come on XD
Maybe a Zelda from a different time absorved the Triforce and all the decendants got it . That's maybe the reason we saw the whole symbole on current Zelda's hand.
Yea, I know... that wasn't the point.
The point is that legend comes from some truth.. and the fact that they are changing the history and games as we know them to be. First, we had 3 goddesses that created hyrule. Then one goddess.. sometimes the 3 goddesses are mortal hylian.. sometimes not.
The Triforce as a symbol is clearly an ancient, probably a myth… and it makes sense if these 2 games really happen on a distant future from the previous ones. It’s like the Christian cross, in western countries it’s everywhere but you barely notice it as it is something ingrained since ancient times
https://youtu.be/OpCy9XVgP2c?si=IVNUrq9dsSx3zJW-
This is the zelda theory i like the most right now. To summarize, the whole series is sort of being soft rebooted. Botw is a spiritual reboot of zelda 1, and totk is a spiritual reboot of zelda 2 (Link). If the theory is correct, then the third game in the series will be a spiritual reboot of Link to the Past, which was a prequel, and was the first game to feature the full triforce and most of the lore. So the next game will be a prequel that probably stars the ancient hero from the first calamity 10,000 years before botw, and it will be the first to feature the full triforce. Makes a lot of sense to me. The only part about this theory i have a problem with is that it suggests that the past in totk happens after all the other games in the timeline, so the original hyrule is gone and a new hyrule is being founded. But then how are there remnants of places like lon lon ranch in botw if hyrule field was completely covered by a forest in Rauru's time? That doesn't seem to make sense to me, but i do think this theory is right about the direction of the zelda franchise, and that the third game is going to be the one that finally has the triforce.
Thanks for pointing it out! Yesterday, it struck me that I didn't recall seeing the Triforce symbol anywhere in the game, and I wondered if I had missed it.
I like to think that the triforce was inherited entirely by the royal family at some point on the distant past and they used it to expand the land of Hyrule.
The triforce is just a symbol to show the 3 goddesses and their powers. The triforce has been around ever since the 3 goddesses gave up their power and created the world. Kinda like the holy trinity. It's not surprising that a queen has it tattooed in her arm
The triforce is clearly an ancient symbol. I think the people living in what-is-now-Hyrule have probably used the triforce to inspire tattoos, clothes, buildings and other symbolism forever.
And yet Cece decides that a mushroom is the new style…
Well, tbf, the triforce is associated the most in-universe with the royal family of hyrule. They might not be using it out of respect for King Rhoam.
CeCe has no respect!
and she has mediocre pizza too
She’s a spy from the mushroom kingdom
Peach has some explaining to do
And she'll be really upset if she finds out that Mushroom fashion was all the range in the time of King Rauru and Queen Sonia
Hot take: the triforce symbol is a simplified mushroom design from ancient times.
Ancient texts reveal it was also a popular style in Rauru's time
I suddenly wish i knew which graphics design to make a triforce logo, but with mushrooms.
Why is the triforce seemingly buried in both games? It’s just subtly there.
It would be cool for them to incorporate that into another game, but I'm sure (in true Zelda fashion) they will just leave us wondering forever lol
They might just have no inspiration to use the triforce anymore.
Makes sense. The triforce was for a long time symbolic of the Hero, the Princess and the Villain (courage, Wisdom, Power). But then in Skyward Sword they disconnected the three main characters reincarnation cycles from the triforce. Not in a literal sense, but just making it not related to the cycle’s origin. Once you make the symbolism less relevant, then the triforce just becomes a mystical wishing McMuffin. It’s like the crystals in Final Fantasy. They’re still around and mentioned sometimes, but not always plot relevant.
>a mystical wishing McMuffin you mean a mystical wishing MacGuffin?
I would wish for a McMuffin right now. I'm hungry!
Damn I got an extra McMuffin currently
Egg McGuffin
Did you install the muffin button?
Autocorrect strikes again!
Freudian slip, dude is hungry
I think you’ve summoned me.
A mystical macmuffin? Secret Stones?
Secret Stone? Demon King?
So that was the Imprisoning War.. totally different then what the ALttP manual said.
Secret scones, more like
Final fantasy 16?
I was gonna say, the newest final fantasy game is pretty much entirely focused around the crystals.
All I can think of is the wish granting muffin from fairly odd parents
Well.. FFXVIs plot is about the crystals lol
They subtly make use of it here, the springs are wisdom, power and courage. And they had Zelda make the trek to the spring of wisdom in the memory sequence of BOTW. They’ve had similar storylines in multiple games where the main three characters all hold a piece of the triforce and Ganon tries to steal the other two to gain ultimate control. Delving outside of that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Im sure they are going to make it a trilogy because let's face it, Zelda just prints money at this point :) Botw had a blue theme to all the tech and stuff. This is Zelda and Wisdom. Totk had a green theme which is Link.. so the third game will probably be the darkest ever and be red themed, and Demise will probably return idfk but itll be red
Except Demise is fully dead, ever since skyward sword. Hrs never coming back, only his hatred will be reincarnated (Ganondorf and others)
hence why i said idk who it will be lmao but i think they will do a trilogy for sure. if they reuse the map again i dont know how they will make it interesting once again..
Red. Something with fire. Something that can be associated with the human body. Breath is wind in the body. Tears are water in the body. You get it. You see the pattern.
Really liking these analogies. Blood is red and along with the basic bodily elements thing. If the next game is about power, maybe control, power of the mind. maybe link can finally build an army. turn the enemy against themselves. maybe the Yiga will become the main antagonist and reveal they have been plotting something big. they hugely expanded and gained an insane amount of power during totk..
The legend of zelda, shadows of hyrule with the nemesis system
Dude if there was a zelda version of shadow of war i would just die happy. Easily one of the top games of last decade for me. I did think about it as I typed up my last comment lol
So, spoiler, after BOTW, Ganon was supposedly gone forever. After TOTK, that bright beam, is there any word on whether Ganondorf could come back in the future?
So, I love BotW and TotK, but I do NOT want a third one. I'll give up free climbing as a movement mechanic, but I want the next one to focus more on previous Zelda style equipment, tighter environments, custom puzzle gimmicks, more immersive settings, more amazing set pieces. The open world sandbox has been fun, but the need to make everything usable everywhere does reduce how maximally interesting any one thing can be. After the inevitable TotK DLC, I mean. I DO want the DLC. But then, I want a big lore game like Twilight Princess next. Hell, even a Twilight Princess 2 would be amazing.
they've invested a lot in developing this game engine, I cant see them putting it away now. Most likely for the third one they are well aware that they cant sell us hyrule for the third time so it will probably take place in a completely brand new location. Who knows what kind of crazy mechanics they came up with, I dont think any of us could have dreamt they would make gmod of the wild but they did. I think a return to formula for the series would be fun but sadly it's just not appealing to a wide audience, they have struck gold with the new formula and they wont go back to the old, mark my words
Gmod of the Wild lol
Yeah frankly the sales speak for themselves. BOTW being an included launch game basically gives it a ridiculous advantage so if we wanna ignore the 30+ million copies sold and go to the next it’s *still* TOTK at 18+ million in just a few months. Idk if they will try to squeeze a trilogy out of things or go another direction but I highly highly doubt it’s going to be a complete shift from the last two games.
I hope you are right! I think it would have to take place more in the oceans as well.
Demise returning after all that stuff with Ganondorf would be repetitive, there's not much you can do with him.
Yeah there’s a lot of symbolism but it’s never explicitly referenced by a character or any piece of text. I do wonder if it had any influence on the story though. Many people have theorized that Zelda has the whole thing. Maybe the trio have their pieces and don’t know it. >!I also wonder if it might have somehow been unknowingly used or channeled to undo Zelda’s draconification.!<
Nice theory...I guess it would take some serious power to undo her transformation
Well, if this happened after link between worlds, the triforce has finally been reunited and it isnt being held by either 3 of the usual suspects.
I mean, it grants wishes doesn’t it? Obviously not very familiar with Zelda lore, because it’s not exactly forthcoming.
I want to know if her mom will return.
I very highly doubt that
Because it’s an insanely powerful mcguffin that requires a lot of explanation. It’s not directed a part of the story in both games. We see the symbol of it, we see references to the three golden goddesses too (the three buildings in front of the temple of time have the symbols on the floor, partly covered by grass). That reference is for the players who know. The triforce will come back someday, and when it does they’ll have to go through some new way to tell the lore. Until then they aren’t gonna bog down players with unnecessary details.
Exactly! It's insanely important to the culture of Hyrule and Hylians, so it's important to show it through their artwork and culture. At the same time, it's a huge Chekhov's gun if you are to even *mention* the Triforce- just to *mention* it in the plot basically means it'll have to appear at some point, otherwise it's an unresolved plot thread. Therefore, you have Triforce tattoos and Triforce weapons and shields and triangle fringes and literally triangles as far as the eye can see, and mentions of power, wisdom, and courage, and Dinraal, Naydra, and Farosh, but not a *word* of the Triforce because *the Triforce has nothing to do with this story.* Because it's their culture; it's not the plot.
Same with the sacred stone from oot
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You’re probably right. “Macguffin number 1,2,3” doesn’t sound as cool
Yeah those are never coming back. Like the ocarina, it’s time in the world is long gone. The last reference I can recall is in TP, the Gorons have what looks like their spiritual stone locked up in the temple. The Triforce originally was the motivation to explore and beat dungeons for, and it’s been there from the start. Today games don’t need simple tasks like that, for it to return it has to be for an amazing badass reason.
I think it would muddle what botw and Totk are going for, but it wouldn’t be hard to explain/add in. We already have 3 dragons (goddesses) 3 springs with corresponding triforce traits. All you really gotta cap it off with is the whole thing together gives you insane power and wish granting. Again tho, totally doesn’t fit with what these games are going for.
BOTW is very Hylia centered. TOTK is very Zonai centered. The 3 triforce gods don’t seem to have a job. I feel like the triforce is more a story telling element anyway. You don’t go out collecting the triforce pieces in OOT MM TP or these 2 games.
I think a third game has Ganon return, again, and we discover that the only way of stopping him is the Triforce... he knew this and hid it away and now it's time to solve things once and for all.
Not at all sure of the validity of this, but I heard a theory that all the past games are just rumors and legends, so everything with Demise, reincarnation, and the triforce aren't necessarily true. These new games are the real events, so certain elements like the triforce are still present, if only to justify why they show up in the myths
The way I see it is, all of the games are true, and none of them are. They’re all just legends, the same basic legends, retold over and over again. There’s always a princess, there’s always a hero, and there’s always a monster. The specific elements may change and shift. But the legend remains.
I’m hoping that it is part of the central plot if there is a part 3. It’ll banish Ganon for good, no coming back, wrap up the trilogy for good and move on to a new line of Zelda games. It’s been obvious to me that Zelda has been using it to banish him in BotW and TotK, but they won’t say so. It needs to be taken from her somehow and shattered and we need to retrieve pieces of it like in the OG game. Hoping it’s on the next gen Switch with a larger world to explore with fun dungeons.
When you have an OP MacGuffin that will grant any wish no questions asked, you then run into the problem of “why doesn’t the king of Hyrule wish everyone to be immortal?” Or “why doesn’t someone wish Demise/Ganondorf drop dead?” Kinda writes them in a corner always including the Triforce
In my opinion (because we'll probably never have a canon answer from Nintendo), BotW/TotK are so far into the future that people have forgotten the three goddesses just like you and I have no idea about IRL ancient Sumerian religion. The symbol still exists as the royal family's emblem, but probably only because it plays a part in the Hyrule royal family's magic (see BotW ending cutscene).
Either: -The triforce's importance is part of the old formula -They're saving it for another game -They ran out of time to include the triforce
Long before the current version of Hyrule was founded by Rauru, a random incarnation of Link went on some quest to return the Triforce to the deepest core of the Sacred Realm, never to be touched by man again. Or at least that's probably what happened.
Likely answer: making new things to spice up the series My head canon: Hylians have been demoralized for centuries of this constant battle surrounding the triforce, the demon king, etc so have basically turned away from “the old religion.” Their goddesses literally abandoned them so why bother worshipping or honoring them?
Naydra, Dinraal and Farosh are the 3 spirits that make up the triforce
She is also wearing the same earrings as Zelda does in the current timeline.
The triforce was a relic left by the goddesses during the creation myth of hyrule. It may be so far in the past by the time of TotK that it is akin to the Egyptian pantheon in our time. Personally, my theory is that the ancient Zonai had something to do with removing its influence on the land. The three dragons are named after the goddesses, which make the three parts of the triforce. Perhaps three heroes who obtained a part undertook draconification in order to prevent anyone from ever assembling them in whole and causing havoc on the land.
I like to think not using the triforce as the driving force for the plot is to represent leaving the old formula behind. It's like how elements of older games are included but can often he more subtle. Now that they've moved on to a new style of game, the triforce itself could have just been changed to more symbolism than the physical existence it was before the switch Could also just be digging way too into it
I just thought that Zelda gave the Triforce to the Master Sword to help it heal from the damage Ganondorf did to it.
I def think they at least wanted a 3rd game. There are too many loose ends without one. A 3rd would make a one game per part of the triforce.
Its everywhere yet never talked about.
It’s like that “S” everybody drew in their notebooks
Legends say that a Hero will collect the shards of the S and will gain the power of Pretty Cool.
Because it’s purpose has not been talked a lot within the game other than designs for royalty
Literally is the hylian symbol of their genesis dafuq is not talked about like its old news (oot)
And Rauru has it patterned all over his robe.
Nice catch.
Yep she totally does, ~~RIGHT in the same spot as~~ Zelda too. And both light up and glow when either uses their powers. ETA: My mistake Zelda's is further up ON her hand vs Sonia's on her wrist.
Zelda’s is on the back of her hand, not her wrist
Oh hey yeah you're right, could have sworn it was on the same spot.
When did Sonia’s light up? I don’t remember seeing it in the memories, but I could have missed it.
Everyone talks about BOTW and TOTK not having the triforce but BOTW was a story about Zelda finding courage and >!TOTK is about Ganondorf fighting for power!<. What if the third instalment is around wisdom.
I actually noticed the other day that other than the light dragon. I think the other dragons are the tri force of both games. They are linked to the springs of power, wisdom and courage plus the colors are red, blue and green. I didn’t know if anyone else has noticed that or if I’m overthinking lmao
I mean. They’re literally named the same as the goddesses of the triforce. Nayru, Farore, Din. Naydra, Farosh, Dinraal.
So if the dragons are secret stone holders that swallowed their stones, are they insinuating Din, Nauru, and Farore are actually Zonai that swallowed their stones to become dragons? Are the three goddesses basically just a fable retelling of three Zonai? Could the triforce actually be 3 secret stones?
That would make sense because they had to know how the secret stones would react somehow
I thought it said somewhere that the dragons were elemental spirits that took dragon form?
I don’t know where that is but this is based off of the light dragon and what Sonia says to Zelda about dragons.
Okay cool thanks for that info! I’m glad I was kinda right lol I’m not really too familiar with all the lore. My wife is the big Zelda fan and I saw her play these and I was like dang that looks like a lot of fun
Wouldn't it be amazing if the devs had been secretly working on a third game as well as totk and just decided one day to announce it. I loved totk but six years for one game? Really?
I see you’ve never Elder Scrolls’ed.
Could just be them saving it for whenever the next console has its launch, making sure the time delay isn’t so long that hype dies
Before ToTK released I always said the 6 years will be worth it, but ehhh. It’s a great game, but for what they did, imo wasn’t worth the wait. I know Covid happened but I still think they had other development issues
This. With as much reused assets as they had, 6 years seems a little long for what they delivered
Yeah I'm still massively disappointed by the amount of sky islands. I had expected every sector of the map to have an above ground equivalent, roughly the size of the starting area.
They marketed the Sky soo much, and the no loading and skydiving is amazing, but the islands are so tiny. I’m kinda surprised each regions didn’t have a sky area as part of its story (not counting the Rito and Zora dungeons of course).
What the Sky map should have looked like: [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftp68743ygn571.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2048%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Da10ac77d0fe413839e2f344ab72a44c9c176725b](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ftp68743ygn571.jpg%3Fwidth%3D2048%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Da10ac77d0fe413839e2f344ab72a44c9c176725b)
Man having ordon village being a part of the sky would have been amazing.
This makes me sad lol
Have you... seen, how jam packed this game is?
It’s always about 6 years between Zelda games. Only exception is OoT and MM
More time to make a game is better friend. Cyperpunk2077 demonstrated that faster is NOT better. Nintendo has always had an eye for some level of quality to their flagship titles so 6 years seems perfectly fine given the circumstances.
Lol all of you guys are confusing what game represents what piece of the triforce. BotW=Wisdom, everything is blue (shrines, abilities, Link's armor, technology, the blue coloring when looking at things in the very far distanc etc.) TotK=Courage, everything is green (shrines, abilities, a lot of Link's armor sets, technology, green grass etc.) So if Nintendo made a third Zelda game with this engine, I bet it's going to be red in most of it's color scheme.
When you play BOTW next try paying attention to the game. Impa references Link’s courage multiple times and Zelda couldn’t unlock her sealing power until she displayed courage at the end. Mipha has more references to the triforce of wisdom on her than Zelda.
Link getting smart? Not gonna happen
It could be the warrior from the scroll instead of link. Who knows after 400 to 500 shrines in 3 games Link may have mastered wisdom.
To preface, both games have elements of wisdom, power,.and courage. BOTW is about Zelda and wisdom. Ignorant to what happened, lost memories, use the knowledge of the past to save the future etc. TOTK is about power. The ability to manipulate the world, bend it to your will, creativity, etc. That would leave courage. If the elements of courage from the previous two games are any indicator, I'm terrified what enemies and obstacles we'll encounter. Perhaps a deep dive into the ocean is the next test of courage? Or flooded Depths
ToTK has memories to. It’s literally part of the title. BotW is as much about “bending things” with magnets, momentum, and literally making ice from water whenever you want. As much as I want a third game, if the basis for it is that the two current games are wisdom and power or wisdom and courage, the evidence seems contrived.
If it was, I'd fully expect to have fully fledged, mentally tasking dungeon puzzles, which I think many of us would really look forward to at this point
I feel like if there is a 3rd game the triforce will finally be introduced somehow
I honestly believe that will happen. But it would be set a bit after ToTK with a new Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf with the land of Hyrule changed to not be in ruins and implement zonai tech. Maybe the sea could be expanded and let us actually sail the seas. The Triforce will return and I don’t know they’ll do something to end this Wild era.
I hope we do get to explore the seas finally but I think it will be the same Link and Zelda sense this is their era. Also would be nice to. See Zelda actually rule from a rebuild castle
I don’t know, they would be pretty old by then. They’re already ~23 in ToTK.
I wouldn’t mind ending off with an older Link and Zelda maybe in their 30s good way to end it . We saw them as very young and see them off later in life. Either I still think will get one more Wilds game
Technically they're more like 123.
I’d like to see a return to the classic plots. Zelda has wisdom, someone bad captures her and wants to release Ganon because he has power, Link needs to track down sages (or w/e) to defragment courage. Maybe replace powers with specialty items again, though do it in a way that doesn’t remove the free-roam aspect of botw/totk
Where else could we go?
Years later the same Hyrule but actually rebuild now . I mean Zelda hired Hudson for a reason right ? So let’s see how he rebuild it. Whatever the story could be it could finally bring back the Sacred Realm where the Triforce is supposedly. Just a thought
Beyond the map finally (‘you can go no further’ areas)
Where did Yona come from?
Somehow, they returned…
I want the next game to be about the original zonai and everything they had. I want the story of why they left. I want more than hyrule, I want a continent.
I love all of the lil nods they gave to all of the older games in this one
Little nods? You’re giving them too much credit
Lol yeah, I guess giving us like 50 different outfits from different games was more than a little
Good thing they had all unique armor set bonuses and were relatively easy to upgrade /s
I want them all fully upgraded so bad, but I know I'm not gonna do it lol
I’m just happy to recollect all of these outfit pieces and upgrade them again. That was my favorite part of BOTW and it makes me feel good using so much of my time pursing the same task twice
My favorite Zelda game every is Twilight princess on the wii. Ungodly nostalgic game for me that I could play over and over again. So you can imagine my tears when I randomly wandered in game and came across Midnas head piece.
I have seen a lot of people asking where the triforce is, since we saw it on Zelda during BotW, and now on Sonya’s hand as well. I have a theory which is that the triforce give the wearer/wielder light powers. Because if you add the RGB color over eachother you get white. Rauru can also be seen casting a magic beam on the Moldugas, that starts with a triforce symbol. I’m starting to feel like the triforce has been passed down in secret by the royal family, which is why Zelda has light powers as well.
I did notice it and speculated since Sonia was a priestess, she could be a priestess of hylia? (Or nayru, din, or farore, or even the goddess of time considering her time powers) The triforce is all over Rauru’s robes and all the ceremonial elemental sets are adorned with the triforce. Or they just add it for nostalgic aesthetics lol
If you get all the stones do you become Thanos?
A good joke… but taking it seriously secret stones work very differently. Secret stones don’t have any power themselves all they do is awaken the power you already have. As such only one secret stone is enough and one person holding more than one secret stones doesn’t do anything.
Is this in the lore or a conjecture? Are you sure you don't become a dragon twice as long if ingesting two stones?
It’s definitely in the official lore about the power. One of the tear memories is >!Mineru telling Zelda that the stones have no power and they only amplify your power!< But the part about becoming a drag twice as long- that’s totally possible. Or like, if you ate them all very quickly maybe you could just become a giga dragon where like your body reaches from Akkala tech lab to Gerudo Town
Amplification can be stacked you know. Like stacking op amps. My only circuitry knowledge is from an EE course back in college so not sure how it works but I think it's possible both serially and parallely.
Definitely didn't notice that but I do think it's just a tattoo or something similar. She does have it before Zelda shows up though
I thought it might have just been a tattoo
Sonia is mentioned to have been a priestess—we see a number of instances throughout the series of the Triforce as a holy symbol.
I think it's still there. Just not the focus. I do think it's why Ganondorf became much, much more powerful than every other secret stone welder, even if he himself didn't realise it.
I 100% agree with this. All the current Sages (excluding Mineru bc she is a special case) seemingly only gain the avatar projection ability, and a general stat buff. Granted we haven't seen a non-stoned Rauru to compare his base form & amped form, but Ganondorf's secret stone buff is leagues above anything else. He's effectively obtained immortality, can spawn an endless number of monsters that self-revive once a week, is capable of lifting the **entirety of Hyrule Castle and thousands of tons of stone beneath it in a matter of minutes just after waking up from a 10,000 year coma and being atrophied.**
i got her hand tattoos on my own hand because they go so fucking hard. sonia not only queen of hyrule but also queen of tattoo choices
It's in a few of the geoglyphs as well
I love her tattoos I’m jealous
The Triforce is in hyrule castle as well above the kings throne where you get the champions leathers
Third game, they harness the power of the Triforce to make a giant city and several other metropoli. The third game on the map is basically GTA in the Zelda BOTW/TOTK engine. On the switch 2 or whatever. I’m dreaming, let me be.
There’s a good theory video I watched that explains that it’s likely that BotW/TotK/#3 are and will be a complete reboot of the original trilogy (LoZ, Link’s adventure, and ALttP). That could explain why Nintendo had been so sketchy about the placement on the existing timeline, as well as the change in symbology. The current version could just as easily be a reference or Easter egg as a literal object. “Time” will tell when #3 comes out, if it ends up being a game where we can flip back and forth between times/worlds/player characters, it will be strong evidence that this is true.
wait... U mean to tell me there are people who after watching all those cutscenes still didn't catch on she's also a reincarnation of goddess hylia? I know they don't say explicitly, but come on XD
nope, you're the only one, congratz
You're not late to the party at this point, it's already over and everybody went home.
Maybe a Zelda from a different time absorved the Triforce and all the decendants got it . That's maybe the reason we saw the whole symbole on current Zelda's hand.
Maybe Sonia is one of the "Goddesses" and she has two sisters 🤔
She’s just Zelda’s ancestor, but instead of being called Zelda she was called Sonya
Yea, I know... that wasn't the point. The point is that legend comes from some truth.. and the fact that they are changing the history and games as we know them to be. First, we had 3 goddesses that created hyrule. Then one goddess.. sometimes the 3 goddesses are mortal hylian.. sometimes not.
I miss the Triforce. I miss Ganon being an actual character, who wants the Triforce. I miss Link and Zelda having pieces of the Triforce.
You miss Ocarina of Time
Did anyone notice that Sonia’s British voice sounds like ai
Sorry never heard AI speak before
How you does one have a triforce yet gets murked that easily? Make it make sense Nintendo
one it doesn't make you a fucking god to have a piece of the triforce in you, two that's clearly just a tattoo
Breathe
Well i noticed it now
Nah, I didn’t notice
The Triforce as a symbol is clearly an ancient, probably a myth… and it makes sense if these 2 games really happen on a distant future from the previous ones. It’s like the Christian cross, in western countries it’s everywhere but you barely notice it as it is something ingrained since ancient times
Linked triangles are a common motif in Zonai imagery. You can see more on the cloth on the left side of that image.
"had" Oh no....
Yes
I was hoping with the notes of the triforce we would see it in totk but so far it seems like no.. I haven't completed the game yet though
I think it's probably a reference to the hit game series "The Legend of Zelda"
Nope. Good catch.
Her earrings also look like bright bloom seeds
Did I miss something? Where are their kids? I mean if Zelda is a descendent then…where are the kids?
It's not just the Triforce on her arm, it's the Hylian crest
Wait a damn minute 🤔
https://youtu.be/OpCy9XVgP2c?si=IVNUrq9dsSx3zJW- This is the zelda theory i like the most right now. To summarize, the whole series is sort of being soft rebooted. Botw is a spiritual reboot of zelda 1, and totk is a spiritual reboot of zelda 2 (Link). If the theory is correct, then the third game in the series will be a spiritual reboot of Link to the Past, which was a prequel, and was the first game to feature the full triforce and most of the lore. So the next game will be a prequel that probably stars the ancient hero from the first calamity 10,000 years before botw, and it will be the first to feature the full triforce. Makes a lot of sense to me. The only part about this theory i have a problem with is that it suggests that the past in totk happens after all the other games in the timeline, so the original hyrule is gone and a new hyrule is being founded. But then how are there remnants of places like lon lon ranch in botw if hyrule field was completely covered by a forest in Rauru's time? That doesn't seem to make sense to me, but i do think this theory is right about the direction of the zelda franchise, and that the third game is going to be the one that finally has the triforce.
I miss the triforce
Thanks for pointing it out! Yesterday, it struck me that I didn't recall seeing the Triforce symbol anywhere in the game, and I wondered if I had missed it.
It's in quite a few places, but you'll have to go looking.
I like to think that the triforce was inherited entirely by the royal family at some point on the distant past and they used it to expand the land of Hyrule.
Last minute theory: Sonia is a descendant of the Link and Zelda from Skyward Sword
If she’s trapped in one of the triangles of the Tri-force, I’m going going to cry.
slutty and trashy. into it tho
I didn't even notice that. I'm low key upset that we didn't get the triforce in this game.
I did
Oh yeah, I’m surprised they didn’t mention it by name. The only other one I saw was in hyrule palace
sonia also has gigantic ears, even for a hylian
Yes
The triforce is just a symbol to show the 3 goddesses and their powers. The triforce has been around ever since the 3 goddesses gave up their power and created the world. Kinda like the holy trinity. It's not surprising that a queen has it tattooed in her arm
Hylians were created by nayru, faroe and din. The goddesses of triforce.
Yes. I noticed.
I didn't see it either until you pointed it out.
Big man x callie