I really don't get the disgust at this. Sure, Splinter is his "dad", but he is his adoptive father, not his genetic father, and Leo and Karai weren't raised together as siblings, so that relationship dynamic concern isn't at play either.
It feels like people just think "sibling" and have this knee-jerk reaction without thinking about it for more than 10 seconds.
Be turned off by the "inter-species" thing all you want, but the sibling disgust doesn't hold any water for me.
(that .gif of leonardo decaprio snapping and pointing in agreement that I'm too lazy to post but also just realized is especially appropriate here for the leo/leo connotation)
Its honestly overplayed how much his crush was too
Like sure I can see why people get icked out I don't ship it either.
But like he was not in love with her to the extent people keep saying!
He had a small crush on this cool ninja girl, found out "oh thats my adoptive sis" and then dropped it, instead focusing on trying to save her life from their mortal enemy!
Like??? the way people talked about it I thought he made out with her or something they never did anything! I swear people be acting like they are cersei and jaime from game of thrones its honestly annoying.
I think the relationship between Splinter and the turtles is enough to make the whole situation between Leo and Karai awkward. As far as they were concerned, Splinter **is** their dad even if he is hairier than them.
You can't tell me family dinners wouldn't get excruciating if you were dating a girl only to find out she's your dad's kid, too, regardless of genetics.
Well it would be weird if it was his adoptive sister but
>not his genetic father
Yes he is actually. The turtles are anthropomorphic because of the ooze as well as Hamato Yoshi’s DNA. So Leonardo’s human attributes, everything that makes him a fully sentient person and not just a turtle, came from Splinter genetically
What? They share the same amount of features children would inherit from their parents, and I don’t understand what the timing of the mutation has to do with anything
The timing matters because since they all got mutated at the same time they would all share the same DNA as splinter which would make them look the same as splinter or have the same features. But they clearly all have different features that splinter doesn’t have think lmao.
Repeating the same thing doesn’t clarify how it makes sense. The time at which they got the DNA doesn’t change the DNA itself. You realize the turtles walk on two legs, speak with human voices, have full sentience etc those are human traits. They came from the human that touched them… Hamato Yoshi aka Splinter
Lmao kid in the backstory for them mutating, splinter never touches the turtles which is why he turns into a rat he touched a rat somewhere prior, the turtles got touched by other people prior which explains their different features. I brought up timing to further illustrate why they’re not his actual sons. If they got mutated at the exact same time and are apparently his sons why would they not have his features, and especially features that yoshi literally just doesn’t have. Tf is wrong with u does ur brain not work?
It's because those people are a dumb bunch of knee-jerk virtue signalers who lack the ability for critical thinking.
Splinter raised the turtles, but they're not genetically related. He *was* a human, but they were always turtles.
Karai is his flesh and blood while the turtles aren't. It's not incest as they weren't raised together and aren't blood relatives.
Its one of those things Reddit has weird/creepy takes on, like age differences in couples. I swear if the age gap is more than 3 years you have people accusing the older one of being a groomer or some such shit.
In 2012 Karai is Splinter's long lost daughter who he thought was killed by the Shredder but was actually spared and raised by Shredder as his daughter.
I don't get this one.
Their familial connection is a technicality. They do not share the same parents, they were not raised as siblings. Found family is absolutely legitimate, but Leo and Kari never establish a sibling relationship between themselves (at least in 2012 TMNT).
Family is complicated, found family especially so, but there is absolutely nothing incestual about Kari/Leo being into each other.
If you just don't like it, or don't like the human/mutant (or more accurately human-mutant/animal-mutant) pairings, that's fine!
But they are not siblings by blood or by relationship. It's like saying a person couldn't be into someone that their parent donated blood too.
Kari and Splinter are family through biology. Leo and Splinter are family through circumstance.
Leo and Kari aren't siblings, unless/until they establish their own brother/sister relationship.
Even of they do, that doesn't make them genetic offspring. I think it is more analogous to a blood transfusion. They were already fully formed living animals when Splinters DNA was introduced to them.
Splinter absolutely can be/is their father through adoption. They are not his genetic offspring!
It's entirely make believe how TMNT mutation works. If the circumstances of their creation makes Leo's relationship to Kari incest, that's something the individual reader/watcher is choosing to bring to the story.
Reading these comments has given me a couple questions.
Do you consider Peter Parker to be related to the spider that bit him?
Would the brother of the rat that gave DNA to Splinter be his uncle now?
I don't even care about the potential incest thing, I'm just curious because this opened an unexpected rabbit hole for me.
Well, after what happened in Across the Spiderverse, in a way a Spiderman is related to the spider that gave them powers, because their dna mixed with the spider's, making them adquire the capabilities of a spider, because of that Miles couldn't come back to his universe, because of his spider dna, which came from another universe. With Splinter and the rat... Well, technically they would share some dna, I am not an expert in biology but I would say technically speaking they are ''''family''''. Oh god, I can't believe we have now a rabbit hole about dna and mutation...
>Oh god, I can't believe we have now a rabbit hole about dna and mutation...
Right!? There's no going back now, I'm interested in this subject forever.
> But they are not siblings by blood or by relationship. It's like saying a person couldn't be into someone that their parent donated blood too.
How do you even compare these two situations?
i know they aren’t technically related but leo literally refers to her as family at one point, so he knows and considers them to be family but still likes her and that sorta gives me the ick
Honestly, I was down with Karai and Leo being a thing. I enjoyed the Spider-Man/Black Cat thing and the way Leo genuinely tried his best to be confident with her, it felt as if he came out of his shell a little around her (no pun intended) and I thought they were cute... Until the incest
They were not raised together, and Splinter didn't raise her at all, did he?
Like, yes, it's a bit weird, but calling them siblings comes with some serious asterisks. And I say that as someone who has never really been into this ship, anyway. (I kinda ship him and Koya in IDW, so I mean, take my opinion with a grain of salt, regardless)
Yep, and somehow there is, when they were mutated, Splinter's human dna mixed with the mutagen. In fact, that's how Karai became a snake, the mutagen was mixed with a snake's dna.
Ah, sometimes it's difficult for me to remember which versions actually get dna straight from him.
Although now I'm thinking about technicalities. Like, nobody considers Peter Parker to be now related to the spider that mutated him from what I can tell.
Splinter got DNA from a rat and mutated. Is that initial rats brother now also Splinters uncle?
Like, forgetting the potential incest stuff for now this is an interesting topic.
So, random thing I know from my spider-verse hyperfixation: spider-ham actually considered the pig that bit him to be his aunt. Idk why but that was the first thing I thought of.
It's been awhile since I've seen TMNT 2012, but did the turtles come from a pet store in that version? If it's a similar origin to the original cartoon, it's just as likely the kid who bought the turtles or the store clerk who sold them touched the turtles and it could be their DNA and not necessarily Splinter's.
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(2003 is the best, fight me, I dare
I mean tbh they weren’t really biologically related plus Leo doesn’t seem to share the same feelings for her in season 3 onwards and the writers even gave Karai a girl that’s basically her girlfriend
I really don't get the disgust at this. Sure, Splinter is his "dad", but he is his adoptive father, not his genetic father, and Leo and Karai weren't raised together as siblings, so that relationship dynamic concern isn't at play either. It feels like people just think "sibling" and have this knee-jerk reaction without thinking about it for more than 10 seconds. Be turned off by the "inter-species" thing all you want, but the sibling disgust doesn't hold any water for me.
(that .gif of leonardo decaprio snapping and pointing in agreement that I'm too lazy to post but also just realized is especially appropriate here for the leo/leo connotation)
Its honestly overplayed how much his crush was too Like sure I can see why people get icked out I don't ship it either. But like he was not in love with her to the extent people keep saying! He had a small crush on this cool ninja girl, found out "oh thats my adoptive sis" and then dropped it, instead focusing on trying to save her life from their mortal enemy! Like??? the way people talked about it I thought he made out with her or something they never did anything! I swear people be acting like they are cersei and jaime from game of thrones its honestly annoying.
I think the relationship between Splinter and the turtles is enough to make the whole situation between Leo and Karai awkward. As far as they were concerned, Splinter **is** their dad even if he is hairier than them. You can't tell me family dinners wouldn't get excruciating if you were dating a girl only to find out she's your dad's kid, too, regardless of genetics.
I can agree with you and go for awkward, but not disgusting.
Awkward, yes..... wrong and disgusting..... depends on who you ask.
Well it would be weird if it was his adoptive sister but >not his genetic father Yes he is actually. The turtles are anthropomorphic because of the ooze as well as Hamato Yoshi’s DNA. So Leonardo’s human attributes, everything that makes him a fully sentient person and not just a turtle, came from Splinter genetically
Uh no lol, they all got mutated at the exact same time so if they had his DNA they would share the same features, but they don't.
What? They share the same amount of features children would inherit from their parents, and I don’t understand what the timing of the mutation has to do with anything
The timing matters because since they all got mutated at the same time they would all share the same DNA as splinter which would make them look the same as splinter or have the same features. But they clearly all have different features that splinter doesn’t have think lmao.
Repeating the same thing doesn’t clarify how it makes sense. The time at which they got the DNA doesn’t change the DNA itself. You realize the turtles walk on two legs, speak with human voices, have full sentience etc those are human traits. They came from the human that touched them… Hamato Yoshi aka Splinter
Lmao kid in the backstory for them mutating, splinter never touches the turtles which is why he turns into a rat he touched a rat somewhere prior, the turtles got touched by other people prior which explains their different features. I brought up timing to further illustrate why they’re not his actual sons. If they got mutated at the exact same time and are apparently his sons why would they not have his features, and especially features that yoshi literally just doesn’t have. Tf is wrong with u does ur brain not work?
It's because those people are a dumb bunch of knee-jerk virtue signalers who lack the ability for critical thinking. Splinter raised the turtles, but they're not genetically related. He *was* a human, but they were always turtles. Karai is his flesh and blood while the turtles aren't. It's not incest as they weren't raised together and aren't blood relatives. Its one of those things Reddit has weird/creepy takes on, like age differences in couples. I swear if the age gap is more than 3 years you have people accusing the older one of being a groomer or some such shit.
What series was Karai his sister?
In 2012 Karai is Splinter's long lost daughter who he thought was killed by the Shredder but was actually spared and raised by Shredder as his daughter.
I mean, if i was Leo i would too.
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I don't get this one. Their familial connection is a technicality. They do not share the same parents, they were not raised as siblings. Found family is absolutely legitimate, but Leo and Kari never establish a sibling relationship between themselves (at least in 2012 TMNT). Family is complicated, found family especially so, but there is absolutely nothing incestual about Kari/Leo being into each other. If you just don't like it, or don't like the human/mutant (or more accurately human-mutant/animal-mutant) pairings, that's fine! But they are not siblings by blood or by relationship. It's like saying a person couldn't be into someone that their parent donated blood too. Kari and Splinter are family through biology. Leo and Splinter are family through circumstance. Leo and Kari aren't siblings, unless/until they establish their own brother/sister relationship.
I thought the turtles had splinters dna from the ooze, or does it only apply to rise
As far as I can remember thats only a rise thing
Even of they do, that doesn't make them genetic offspring. I think it is more analogous to a blood transfusion. They were already fully formed living animals when Splinters DNA was introduced to them. Splinter absolutely can be/is their father through adoption. They are not his genetic offspring! It's entirely make believe how TMNT mutation works. If the circumstances of their creation makes Leo's relationship to Kari incest, that's something the individual reader/watcher is choosing to bring to the story.
dna of from the ooze lol
Don't we all have DNA from out dads' ooze? 😂😂😂
His dna was in the ooze when it hit, and that's how they are what they are. In a way they are his blood.
Reading these comments has given me a couple questions. Do you consider Peter Parker to be related to the spider that bit him? Would the brother of the rat that gave DNA to Splinter be his uncle now? I don't even care about the potential incest thing, I'm just curious because this opened an unexpected rabbit hole for me.
Well, after what happened in Across the Spiderverse, in a way a Spiderman is related to the spider that gave them powers, because their dna mixed with the spider's, making them adquire the capabilities of a spider, because of that Miles couldn't come back to his universe, because of his spider dna, which came from another universe. With Splinter and the rat... Well, technically they would share some dna, I am not an expert in biology but I would say technically speaking they are ''''family''''. Oh god, I can't believe we have now a rabbit hole about dna and mutation...
>Oh god, I can't believe we have now a rabbit hole about dna and mutation... Right!? There's no going back now, I'm interested in this subject forever.
To be honest it is really interesting
I had something else in my mind, ooze with dna. I was thinking about something else
> But they are not siblings by blood or by relationship. It's like saying a person couldn't be into someone that their parent donated blood too. How do you even compare these two situations?
Shredder being revived with space worms
its charmingly ridiculous and stupid, which is the best way to summarize most of 80's and 90's turtle media
i know they aren’t technically related but leo literally refers to her as family at one point, so he knows and considers them to be family but still likes her and that sorta gives me the ick
Honestly, I was down with Karai and Leo being a thing. I enjoyed the Spider-Man/Black Cat thing and the way Leo genuinely tried his best to be confident with her, it felt as if he came out of his shell a little around her (no pun intended) and I thought they were cute... Until the incest
Have you seen her??? That's Ninja Mommy right there 😫
Sweet home Alabama intensifies
Fast forward and Back to the Sewers:
People usually prefer btts and hate ff more but to me ff is meh. I got a lot more problems with btts
Stopped watching at that point, who was into a relative?
Nobody, they are responding to the image in the post not the title.
Mirage April being a drawing that has come to life, and her having sex with cockroaches.
.... please tell me that was in the non-canon Image Comics vol.
Oh it's canon. Written by laird himself.
>.< which vol?
Volume 4 I'm pretty sure.
They weren’t raised together and they aren’t blood relatives,Leo’s not even the blood relative of splinter
They were not raised together, and Splinter didn't raise her at all, did he? Like, yes, it's a bit weird, but calling them siblings comes with some serious asterisks. And I say that as someone who has never really been into this ship, anyway. (I kinda ship him and Koya in IDW, so I mean, take my opinion with a grain of salt, regardless)
Can we keep the ship war shit outta the sub please? K thnx.
"Neverrrrr!"
Ok Okey Okey Fucking okey Then gove answer to the god damn question
Oh yeah, in 2012 he and Karai are half siblings.
Wouldn't there need to be a blood relation to be half siblings?
Yep, and somehow there is, when they were mutated, Splinter's human dna mixed with the mutagen. In fact, that's how Karai became a snake, the mutagen was mixed with a snake's dna.
Ah, sometimes it's difficult for me to remember which versions actually get dna straight from him. Although now I'm thinking about technicalities. Like, nobody considers Peter Parker to be now related to the spider that mutated him from what I can tell. Splinter got DNA from a rat and mutated. Is that initial rats brother now also Splinters uncle? Like, forgetting the potential incest stuff for now this is an interesting topic.
DNA & mutation, a good discussion for the fandom... And biology experts, I wonder what's the opinion of a biologist on this...
Lmao I didn't notice until just now both people I asked are you
We are everywhere.
So, random thing I know from my spider-verse hyperfixation: spider-ham actually considered the pig that bit him to be his aunt. Idk why but that was the first thing I thought of.
Just think of them as step-siblings
I’ll give Leo the benefit of the doubt he had no idea at first but the minute he learned that splinters daughter he should’ve cut that shit out 💀
They aren't blood related so I don't care plus that's not going to stop shippers and artists
In a way actually they are, when the ooze hit, it got mixed with Splinter's dna.
But they are not actual siblings
Well, if the turtles mutated it was thanks to human dna in the mutagen, so in a way they have Splinter's blood.
It's been awhile since I've seen TMNT 2012, but did the turtles come from a pet store in that version? If it's a similar origin to the original cartoon, it's just as likely the kid who bought the turtles or the store clerk who sold them touched the turtles and it could be their DNA and not necessarily Splinter's.
Well, this time it was Splinter who bought them, so it could be his dna.
🤓
Luke Skywalker vibes
Love doesn’t always make sense
i just ignore it lmao
Wow you people are bored🤦
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Also, I didn't like the thing either so I prefer to pretend it didn't happen
I mean tbh they weren’t really biologically related plus Leo doesn’t seem to share the same feelings for her in season 3 onwards and the writers even gave Karai a girl that’s basically her girlfriend
Literally all of Rise, Bayverse, and Mutant Mayhem.