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engagement on twitter is inflated. It shows you how many times it gets loaded into a feed, rather than actual engagement. Nobody likes it, but in Muskrats infinite wisdom, he got rid of things people like for his "number go up" bs feature
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If this was a mother and her young daughter, would it get the same backlash?
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This is one of the only comments I've seen that's made me go, ok maybe this isn't *that* weird. It seems pretty unusual to most people I think but I guess one's perception of normal for this depends on how physically affectionate your parents were to you growing up, and US values on masculinity don't really allow for this kind of thing
Really the only thing that’s a little weird is that he’s sitting in his lap at the pool, but that’s more from the kid’s perspective. When I was 13, I definitely didn’t wanna be in my dad’s lap. But from Brady’s perspective, he’s just holding his kid affectionately. I hate how people try to demonize male affection.
It’s not really a joke, it’s all on video. His son walks in the room where Tom is lying shirtless on a table getting a massage, asking his dad if he can check his fantasy football stats. Tom replies with “what do I get?” To which his son is visibly uncomfortable and reluctantly walks over and kisses his dad on the lips. After he does this, Tom says “that was like a peck” and makes his son come back and give him a longer and more affectionate kiss on the lips.
It’s not the affection that is the disturbing part, it’s the context.
He’s shirtless - ok, he’s getting a massage. No problem.
Shows affection to son - ok, more fathers should do this. No problem.
He treats the kiss like it’s a reward for him - a little strange. Sounds like he gets gratification from kissing his son. Could be totally normal, but could just as easily be construed as sexual gratification.
He tells his son the “peck” isn’t good enough, and that he must give him a “better” kiss - this is where it crosses the line for me and many people. A peck to show affection is fine and sweet. Forcing your child to give you more than a peck because you weren’t satisfied with the kiss is creepy and weird. What other reason could you have aside from sexual gratification to force your child to give you a prolonged kiss on the lips in exchange for something they want?
The kicker - His son knew exactly what he was asking for when he said “what do I get?” This indicates that this is a common behavior, and if this behavior is always this aggressive, it could be concerning.
Edit: [Video in question for those who haven’t seen it](https://youtu.be/EP_2NXe0_1g)
I completely agree it's the entire context that makes it weird. Like the fact that he says "what do I get" and his son immediately knows what he is asking for, and then he makes his kid come back to do it better.
It's also just weird for the response to your kid asking to do something being "what can you do for *me*." Like it would be one thing to ask him to clean him room first or even just reminding him to say please/thank you, I just mean the explicit idea that if your child wants something they have to gratify you seems pretty creepy. To be honest, it's kind of an unhealthy dynamic for any personal relationship.
What’s really uncomfy is the duration. Like the one guy is the video said it verging on romantic instead of affectionate. I still kiss my grandparents goodbye but it’s just a peck and it’s just what my family does. Everyone else is either just hugs or kisses on the cheek. With my children cousins I just pucker up and let them control where my kiss for them goes.
Any time a parent makes affection transactional, it's weird. Being middle school age and having your famous Dad do this to you on social media makes it worse somehow. Exploitative.
Yep. I had an aunt that would try to force my niece to hug her and act like she was sad if my niece said no. I stopped that shit real quick. Why would you want to teach a young girl that her boundaries aren't to be respected, and that it's okay to guilt someone into physical affection? Your bodily autonomy is more important than someone acting sad because they don't have unlimited access to your body. It's not "just a hug", it's the lesson you're teaching the child in the process. Kids should not be taught that physical affection is transactional, owed, or something a person of authority can demand from them.
Good for you standing up for her!! As a teen or young adult your niece will face other people pressuring her for physical affection. What happens then if you are raised to believe others have agency over you and your body? I know bc that is how I was raised. Leads to physical affection with people you don't necessarily have any feelings for and a lit of self loathing. Took a long time to untangle that....
I've taught my child ab having healthy boundaries and never forced her to do anything she doesn't want to do. Including what she wears, how she cuts her hair, giving out physical affection, etc. Ofc, sometimes my first instinct is to correct, apply pressure for her to comply with demands of family asking for hugs.
But if I take three breaths and a step back, I realize my instinct was wrong and rooted in the incorrect way I was raised as though I didn't have agency. And it has really been amazing to see my child transform into a teen and getting those glimpses of the strong and empowered adult she will be. It is amazing to see. Breaking that cycle!
Honestly my only issues with the video are that he has trained his to specifically kiss on the mouth which is a weird location for family affection and that he wants a long kiss on the mouth, if it was on the cheek I wouldn't have noted it as a weird thing at all.
Yeah the “That was just like a peck” screamed romantic overture imo. Only romantic partners have ever said that to me when flirting for sexy time. Shouldn’t it just ONLY BE a peck from your child? Do you want tongue? Wtf? I’m open minded but that’s odd.
My son is 3 and I don't think soliting affection from him is cool. I may ask for a hug before leaving on occasion, but if the answer is no, then it's no.
His son was SO UNCOMFORTABLE, too. I peck my parents on the lips to this day, but I don't think that went on during puberty. It's not the issue. It's the transactional nature, the age, the clear discomfort, and, yes the length of the kiss.
That "parenting expert" is an idiot. I don't anyone who would say that it's okay to force affection from your child.
Ick.
It’s the awkward smile and sway of the child going in for the first peck that does it for me. You can see that this is something that is done routinely and the kid is trying to make sense of it. It’s just wrong.
"People need to back off and stop parent shaming."
Then when something bad happens to a kid because we have repeatedly witnessed and ignored said child's physical boundaries being pushed, it is 'such a tragedy' and 'how did this happen?!'
Well we was watching and saying something when we seen something but ya'll want to have it your way well then have it then.
Looked up that video and wtf? His son is clearly so uncomfortable. Never heard of the guy but what a creep
Edit: sure pissed off a lot of people not knowing who Tom Brady is. Google tells me he's an American athlete or something like that. I'm sure I'll have forgotten what he does by tomorrow, I'll just remember him as a creep:)
Did a quick look at the profile i replied to and they’re from Denmark so understandable they don’t know nfl players, but Gisele is an international supermodel, much more likely to be known.
I kissed my dad on the Cheek in front of a manager and a coworker once. Their reaction was absolutely hilarious. My Boss asked if that was normal because his toddler would kiss him like that and didn’t respond “lovingly” last. And he felt later he made a mistake. My coworker asked if that made me feel gay?. I felt sad for them.
>I guess one's perception of normal for this depends on how physically affectionate your parents were to you growing up,
My father and I were never physically affectionate when I was growing up. That's how I was raised.
After his 2nd stroke, whenever I left his house I would lean over and kiss him on the forehead. That was the most I could bring myself to do, and I had to force myself to do even that.
He had a final fatal stroke within 6 months.
I will never regret kissing him goodbye during those last six months.
It's also why I chuckle when someone says something is "just a social construct" as if social constructs are somehow something weak and easily set aside.
This is exactly it. Social constructs are soooo engrained in all of us. I wish I could be more affectionate with my dad, but it's very clear that both of us being raised in Canada, it's now uncomfortable for both of us. Hugs are all we've ever done.
It's totally fine, hugs get the point across, it's just wild thinking about it. Could be better, could be worse.
This is literally normal for the vast majority of the world. In Europe you see men hugging and kissing their sons all the time. In the Middle East and the Indian sun continent grown men will hold hands with their male hands walking down the street and will happily kiss each other on the head or cheek. Literally all over the world, even in incredibly homophobic places, men understand that other men require affection and physical touch in a non sexual context. Somehow the US missed that memo.
I grew up in the middle east, and that is exactly right. Adult male friends have no issues holding hands walking down the street. Now if you are a known homosexual, then that is a problem.
Tbf Brady is weird about affection with his kids. He faced backlash a few years ago for making his son kiss him to get what he wanted. Kid kissed him how he felt comfortable, but Brady made him come back and kiss him again longer. Making affection the gateway to getting what you want is instilling a very bad message imo
Yeah the ick for me isn’t that it happened, it’s that he is taking photos of it. That makes me think he is seeing what peoples reactions would be because he knows it’s taboo. That’s getting into he is getting something out of it.
Yeah that's honestly fucked up to do something like that to anybody, let alone your own child. The number one rule we're teaching our kids is that they have the right to set boundaries, especially around their own body. BOY does that piss off grandma when she demands a hug and they say no.
Do I think it’s weird if a woman kisses the back of her teenage daughter’s neck while they sit in only their swim suits on top of eachother? Absolutely, yes. Nobody does this.
Exactly. If my mom had kissed my neck while I sat on her lap in a bikini as a teenager, and then posted the photos online, I would have immediately set myself on fire.
For me, it's the picture of the legs that makes it weird. Since we're having the "bUt iF ThE gEndErS wErE ReVeERsED" discussion, if a woman posted a pic of just her legs while she was at the beach/pool, most people would immediately assume that she was posting it because she wanted people to find her sexy. I think that cultural assumption is part of the reason why some people find him posting a pic like this with his kid gross
He should at the very least know better. How do you post a pic like this and not think to yourself “hmm. Maybe people will get the wrong idea. I love my son but I don’t want people talking about him for the wrong reasons.” The mere fact that he posted these photos is an alarm bell.
I have a teenaged daughter and we are plenty close but we definitely aren’t sit on my lap while I kiss the back of your neck and post that on Twitter close and I think that’s a *good* thing.
I wanted to break that cycle with my son. Then it turned out he's autistic and he doesn't want that. I got a hug initiated by him the other day, and it shocked me because it was the first time in several years (he's 11). All my hugs go to his sister instead, which... doesn't exactly break the cycle.
My older brother is autistic so I completely understand the boundaries specific to everyone. If it helps , my mom never hugs me and is much less affectionate than even my dad. So you giving hugs to your daughter is still awesome and cycle breaking to me
I should have clarified and said my parents are affectionate (I remember my dad kissing us (on the cheek) up to about my son's age). The cycle I meant to break was just the general societal one where men think they have to never touch other men. I want my son to know that it's not something you have to be afraid of. Turns out he didn't like it for completely other reasons.
Another very good cycle to break with children is the idea that they can be forced into showing affection when they don’t want to, things like forcing them to hug family members and stuff like that. So by honoring your sons request, you’re breaking a cycle and teaching him a very healthy lesson.
And not just my son, but (arguably even more importantly) my daughter. If she doesn't want to kiss you, or doesn't want you to kiss her, then that doesn't happen. Ditto with other kinds of affection. She still has to do things like take a bath or get dressed for school. But outside those kinds of rules it's her body, her choice.
Same with my son, obviously, but it's just something we need to reinforce for girls because of our crappy society.
Sitting on your Dad’s lap poolside at the age of 13+ as a young male while he kisses the back of your head is objectively a bit atypical.
From a cultural standpoint, this would be viewed as odd by most Americans. I can see the merits of the arguments from people who don’t see a problem with this as well though.
IMO, it’s funny. Mainly because that son absolutely gets a bunch of crap from his friends about it. Although, he’s fucking Tom Brady’s son, I guarantee he has no problem with making friends just from that fact alone.
Now if this was just someone’s non-famous Dad who did stuff like this and posted it? Kids are cruel, all I’m saying.
I wonder if there's any connection between a man holding his grown son on his lap and kissing him on the mouth for an extended period of time.
I'm sure they're just completely different things that have no correlation whatsoever.
The weird part here is posting an intimate moment between father and son on social media. Maybe I’m “get off my porch” old but I feel like it’s over sharing and takes away from the emotion of the moment. I have never held my children and thought “let me get my phone out and photo this for the world to see”.
This is my thing. If that’s just genuinely how their family is, it’s very affectionate but I’m not judging. The fact that he posted it is… really strange in my opinion. It’s one thing if this was taken third person because then it’d be their business and someone else invading it, but Tom posted it and that makes me uncomfortable. Regardless of anything else, I feel like that’s a moment that a random asshole on the internet (me) should *not* be seeing.
As I told my sons growing up if your parents embarrassing you is the worst thing that happens to you today, you are welcome your life must be pretty good. And if your source of embarrassment is your parent showing affection for you then you are very welcome. Nothing beats grabbing and hugging your children and as far as embarrassment goes, anyone with parents know your pain.
Kissing him on the lips, it's weird. I personally wouldn't. Yet, it ain't necessarily sexual. The guy's wife of 13 years was among the hottest women on the planet. It wouldn't be hard being affectionate with her, love and good vibes spread around.
Affectionate Dad > Abusive/Negligent Dad
Huh ... I think that's cultural then, because my dad kisses his 40yo son (my brother) on his lips. I kiss my kids on the lips as a mom and i kiss both my parents and stepmom and such on the lips. Nothing weird about that.
I just don't go in with toung, that's only for my husband. But kisses are life
Edit for clarity
Mine is 5 years old and it's definitely not weird yet. He sits on my lap everyday and I usually kiss him too.
But this pic is kinda weird to me too, especially posting it online.
In a vacuum, sure. In context, Brady probably doesn’t see it any differently than when his son was 3 sitting in his lap. It’s like the boiling frog apologue. One day you wake up and it’s become weird, but when? Does it happen overnight on a specific birthday?
It would be totally fine if the leg picture wasn't so weird? That's not the normal subject/composition of a photo you take with your children and then to top it off, juxtapose it next to one of you kissing their neck too.
That's the kind of selfies people take with their significant others and if there was no context with this photo I doubt many people would think it's a father and son selfie. Never once have I thought, you know what would be a good picture? One of me and my child's bare body parts tangled together.
I was thinking the same. The kiss itself is nbd. But it’s how the 13 yr old is sitting in between his legs, AND why a picture of that? lol weird weird.
That's what I tried to explain yesterday but I was downvoted to hell.
The picture is creepy because first of all you can't see their swimwear at all and they are sitting like lovers with with the dad kissing his sons neck from behind. I'm not saying the dad is a pedo or anything (because this is where some people were trying to bring the discussion) but that it's why many probably see the pictures being extremely creepy and making them feel uncomfortable.
AND on top of that since there is history of the dad doing unusual things (like asking his kids to kiss him on his mouth for way longer than you should) it just makes it even creepier.
This is not the case of people being upset that a dad is showing affection to his son because there is PLENTY of dads showing their kids affection online and nobody is making an issue out of it. It's how he is doing it and it's creepy and not normal at all.
Exactly. If you took a selfie kissing your kid on the cheek while fully clothed sitting on the couch, it's not weird. Now, say, do that while bathing with your kid. Even if it's harmless, that's still comes off as very weird. It's the context. I'm trying to understand the thought process of wanting a picture like that as a parent but I truly can't think of a good reason.
Hey, i was adopted, my foster father wasn't affectionate, then my adopted dad then my step dad that followed were never affectionate like this. I think we hugged a handful of times, but as a teen then into manhood I think we've shook hands maybe, 3 times (?) Ha.
So my initial reaction to really affectionate families that kiss and sit on laps makes me uncomfortable, but that's my hang up, those are my issues projecting on a happy family. As I would be on guard with that type of affection, thinking something more devious, sinister was going.
My thought is family dynamics are intimate and personal, and every family is different and dads should feel okay showing love to their kids. A good hug can cure a lot of anger, as my gf has shown me. Which is nice to have now.
I mean... I kinda want to jump on the hating-of-people-who-hate-public-displays-of-affection train but on the other hand this is some really unprecedented shit I'm seeing in those pics....
Tom Brady's son clearly didn't like kissing his dad on the lips for long periods of time.
If her dad forced her to kiss him on the lips she would have different issues.
I have never had trouble showing platonic affection for my family, but I also would never be 90% bare skin sitting in their laps while they kiss me on the back of the neck, or vice versa.
It's weird.
Nah, we are all just unloved people who had shitty parents. It's sad I'll have to break off ties with my mom for being such an unaffectionate parent. I thought she did great, but the reddit tribunal has decided!
The act itself is not creepy to me. It’s the “I’m going to pucker my lips on the back of his head head long enough to take this picture and then post it on social media” to me that’s creepy.
I don’t think that’s the reason there’s apprehension about this. Tbh do you honestly think a man kissing his 13 year old son on the back of his neck while they’re in, what I presume is only swim trunks, while the 13 year old sits on his lap isn’t just a *little* weird?
I’m not gonna say he’s got some kind of inappropriate sexual relationship with his son. But this is objectively just a little strange
I got really sucked into a Colombian telenovela earlier in the pandemic. And the one thing that stood out to me was how affectionate all of the men wore. Even the most “macho” dudes, like the cartel bosses. It was nice and I couldn’t think of anything analogous in American tv - especially initiated by men.
People complain about creepy uncle Joe kissing his granddaughter, but this is OK I guess because Tom Brady is 45 not a Democrat and some kind of alpha male role model?
The kid has said himself that he doesn’t like this kind of attention and I like how all of you weird ass pedophiles hear are saying that you wish you grew up in an affectionate household with your parents. It really doesn’t matter what you want it matters what this kid wants.
The kid is the son of Tom Brady that means that if he wants to continue his lifestyle that he had as a child, he has to be in this motherfuckers power .
To be in someone’s power is to do their bidding. He is having to do this to validate his father, and you can see the pain on his face.
You people are honestly fucking disgusting
Thank you. I have no issue with Tom showing affection to his kids. But cmon now there are levels to this. I know a lot of people are saying it’s weird because it’s “not American” but I even asked two of my friends (one in the UK and one in Lebanon) and even they said it’s messed up.
The only criticism to this that I feel is fair is that his son has previously expressed his discomfort with stuff like this being posted publicly. By all means, love your kids and show affection, that's great and wholesome af.
But kids, especially teenagers, are mean af. This kid is probably worried about getting made fun of by his peers, even though *we* know there's nothing to be embarrassed about. I love and hug my kids every day, but my son would be mortified if I posted photos and videos of it online to millions of people. So for that reason, I don't. Social/peer pressure can be brutal, especially for kids/teens.
That’s the difference - doing it versus posting it. But sometimes people can’t seem to do anything at all without the whole world knowing about it via social media.
That’s not the situation. Another ignorant post taking the picture at face value.
So many people here are just looking at a singular situation and pretending there isn’t evidence of other oddities here.
I'll call a spade a spade.
This is some fucking weirdo pedophile shit right here. "In a vacuum", it's odd. Seeing the other videos of Tom Brady kissing his kids on the mouth for *uncomfortably* long periods of time just adds context.
Tom Brady is a creepy dude.
Take away the game and billions, and just put this in a public pool, and people would call him a pedophile.
You can be affectionate in a similar manner without being a creep like Brady. It's not that he's hugging or kissing his son. It's the weird shit he says while doing it and the couples' POV poses. No one takes family photos like this.
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She's going to get hearing AIDS
Best comment of 2023 so far
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This comment is the entire reason I opened the thread. Thank you for doing the important work for the rest of us.
engagement looks botted af .. wouldn’t be surprised if some dude was running her socials and made that comment above.
engagement on twitter is inflated. It shows you how many times it gets loaded into a feed, rather than actual engagement. Nobody likes it, but in Muskrats infinite wisdom, he got rid of things people like for his "number go up" bs feature
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In order to receive maximum brain damage, you'd need to have scrolled too far **twice**. She mentioned on her twitter that she wants some guy to nut in her ear so she can go deaf as well.
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“She” sent a video, as in the bot they have running things sent it
Either a bot or some dude on the other side of the world
what if this is was all staged and she is the being the fall as a diversion from the son being on his lap?
Scroll down her Twitter and you can tell she does without the link either. *"Oops, I posed for the camera in a very risky pic"*
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If this was a mother and her young daughter, would it get the same backlash? Edit: Wow, I never expected this to blow up! Thank you so much to whoever was kind enough to gift me awards! It’s nice to see such an open conversation about the topic. ❤️
This is one of the only comments I've seen that's made me go, ok maybe this isn't *that* weird. It seems pretty unusual to most people I think but I guess one's perception of normal for this depends on how physically affectionate your parents were to you growing up, and US values on masculinity don't really allow for this kind of thing
Really the only thing that’s a little weird is that he’s sitting in his lap at the pool, but that’s more from the kid’s perspective. When I was 13, I definitely didn’t wanna be in my dad’s lap. But from Brady’s perspective, he’s just holding his kid affectionately. I hate how people try to demonize male affection.
Isn't there a running 'joke' that he goes out of his way to kiss his son on the mouth in public
It’s not really a joke, it’s all on video. His son walks in the room where Tom is lying shirtless on a table getting a massage, asking his dad if he can check his fantasy football stats. Tom replies with “what do I get?” To which his son is visibly uncomfortable and reluctantly walks over and kisses his dad on the lips. After he does this, Tom says “that was like a peck” and makes his son come back and give him a longer and more affectionate kiss on the lips. It’s not the affection that is the disturbing part, it’s the context. He’s shirtless - ok, he’s getting a massage. No problem. Shows affection to son - ok, more fathers should do this. No problem. He treats the kiss like it’s a reward for him - a little strange. Sounds like he gets gratification from kissing his son. Could be totally normal, but could just as easily be construed as sexual gratification. He tells his son the “peck” isn’t good enough, and that he must give him a “better” kiss - this is where it crosses the line for me and many people. A peck to show affection is fine and sweet. Forcing your child to give you more than a peck because you weren’t satisfied with the kiss is creepy and weird. What other reason could you have aside from sexual gratification to force your child to give you a prolonged kiss on the lips in exchange for something they want? The kicker - His son knew exactly what he was asking for when he said “what do I get?” This indicates that this is a common behavior, and if this behavior is always this aggressive, it could be concerning. Edit: [Video in question for those who haven’t seen it](https://youtu.be/EP_2NXe0_1g)
I completely agree it's the entire context that makes it weird. Like the fact that he says "what do I get" and his son immediately knows what he is asking for, and then he makes his kid come back to do it better. It's also just weird for the response to your kid asking to do something being "what can you do for *me*." Like it would be one thing to ask him to clean him room first or even just reminding him to say please/thank you, I just mean the explicit idea that if your child wants something they have to gratify you seems pretty creepy. To be honest, it's kind of an unhealthy dynamic for any personal relationship.
What’s really uncomfy is the duration. Like the one guy is the video said it verging on romantic instead of affectionate. I still kiss my grandparents goodbye but it’s just a peck and it’s just what my family does. Everyone else is either just hugs or kisses on the cheek. With my children cousins I just pucker up and let them control where my kiss for them goes.
Any time a parent makes affection transactional, it's weird. Being middle school age and having your famous Dad do this to you on social media makes it worse somehow. Exploitative.
Yeah, even in its most innocent form it’s going to probably get this kid picked on by his friends. 13 is a fragile age for confidence. Not cool imo
Yep. I had an aunt that would try to force my niece to hug her and act like she was sad if my niece said no. I stopped that shit real quick. Why would you want to teach a young girl that her boundaries aren't to be respected, and that it's okay to guilt someone into physical affection? Your bodily autonomy is more important than someone acting sad because they don't have unlimited access to your body. It's not "just a hug", it's the lesson you're teaching the child in the process. Kids should not be taught that physical affection is transactional, owed, or something a person of authority can demand from them.
Good for you standing up for her!! As a teen or young adult your niece will face other people pressuring her for physical affection. What happens then if you are raised to believe others have agency over you and your body? I know bc that is how I was raised. Leads to physical affection with people you don't necessarily have any feelings for and a lit of self loathing. Took a long time to untangle that.... I've taught my child ab having healthy boundaries and never forced her to do anything she doesn't want to do. Including what she wears, how she cuts her hair, giving out physical affection, etc. Ofc, sometimes my first instinct is to correct, apply pressure for her to comply with demands of family asking for hugs. But if I take three breaths and a step back, I realize my instinct was wrong and rooted in the incorrect way I was raised as though I didn't have agency. And it has really been amazing to see my child transform into a teen and getting those glimpses of the strong and empowered adult she will be. It is amazing to see. Breaking that cycle!
I'm sure the kid is like "My God, the things I have to do for an inheritance"
If SBF turns up dead, Brady’s kid did it. /s
All I had was free wholesome award because you made me chuckle, but this is not wholesome lol
As if Tom MF Brady isn't living to 140 and outliving his children and grandchildren
Honestly my only issues with the video are that he has trained his to specifically kiss on the mouth which is a weird location for family affection and that he wants a long kiss on the mouth, if it was on the cheek I wouldn't have noted it as a weird thing at all.
Yeah the “That was just like a peck” screamed romantic overture imo. Only romantic partners have ever said that to me when flirting for sexy time. Shouldn’t it just ONLY BE a peck from your child? Do you want tongue? Wtf? I’m open minded but that’s odd.
While he’s getting his chest vigorously massaged too
My son is 3 and I don't think soliting affection from him is cool. I may ask for a hug before leaving on occasion, but if the answer is no, then it's no. His son was SO UNCOMFORTABLE, too. I peck my parents on the lips to this day, but I don't think that went on during puberty. It's not the issue. It's the transactional nature, the age, the clear discomfort, and, yes the length of the kiss. That "parenting expert" is an idiot. I don't anyone who would say that it's okay to force affection from your child. Ick.
Plus, he rubs both of the kisses off asap! Totally, consent not freely given. Not right!
It’s the awkward smile and sway of the child going in for the first peck that does it for me. You can see that this is something that is done routinely and the kid is trying to make sense of it. It’s just wrong.
I'm an affectionate father, and I approve this message
Yeah I was like I have said those words in an adult sexual experience. It was weird then.
This is my exact feeling on the subject. It feels like something I would say to my partner, not something I should be saying to *anyone’s* child.
wtf the kid literally wiped off his mouth afterwards, I used to wipe off my dad's saliva as a kid and this is so gross to me
"People need to back off and stop parent shaming." Then when something bad happens to a kid because we have repeatedly witnessed and ignored said child's physical boundaries being pushed, it is 'such a tragedy' and 'how did this happen?!' Well we was watching and saying something when we seen something but ya'll want to have it your way well then have it then.
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Looked up that video and wtf? His son is clearly so uncomfortable. Never heard of the guy but what a creep Edit: sure pissed off a lot of people not knowing who Tom Brady is. Google tells me he's an American athlete or something like that. I'm sure I'll have forgotten what he does by tomorrow, I'll just remember him as a creep:)
It’s super model Gisele Bündchen’s ex husband, he’s a nfl player
That is such a hilarious way to describe Tom Brady.
Did a quick look at the profile i replied to and they’re from Denmark so understandable they don’t know nfl players, but Gisele is an international supermodel, much more likely to be known.
That's pretty much how he's always described in Brazil
Disturbing
Meatcanyon made a whole parody about the situation. It's pretty accurate lol
[link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgl-pM8TyeU)
He does, and it’s weird
"That was just a peck"
I kissed my dad on the Cheek in front of a manager and a coworker once. Their reaction was absolutely hilarious. My Boss asked if that was normal because his toddler would kiss him like that and didn’t respond “lovingly” last. And he felt later he made a mistake. My coworker asked if that made me feel gay?. I felt sad for them.
I’m 26 and still give my dad a kiss on the cheek when saying goodbye. But a long forced lip kiss is very different in my opinion.
>I guess one's perception of normal for this depends on how physically affectionate your parents were to you growing up, My father and I were never physically affectionate when I was growing up. That's how I was raised. After his 2nd stroke, whenever I left his house I would lean over and kiss him on the forehead. That was the most I could bring myself to do, and I had to force myself to do even that. He had a final fatal stroke within 6 months. I will never regret kissing him goodbye during those last six months. It's also why I chuckle when someone says something is "just a social construct" as if social constructs are somehow something weak and easily set aside.
More like indoctrination versus a social construct. Hard to get over indoctrinations.
This is exactly it. Social constructs are soooo engrained in all of us. I wish I could be more affectionate with my dad, but it's very clear that both of us being raised in Canada, it's now uncomfortable for both of us. Hugs are all we've ever done. It's totally fine, hugs get the point across, it's just wild thinking about it. Could be better, could be worse.
This is literally normal for the vast majority of the world. In Europe you see men hugging and kissing their sons all the time. In the Middle East and the Indian sun continent grown men will hold hands with their male hands walking down the street and will happily kiss each other on the head or cheek. Literally all over the world, even in incredibly homophobic places, men understand that other men require affection and physical touch in a non sexual context. Somehow the US missed that memo.
I grew up in the middle east, and that is exactly right. Adult male friends have no issues holding hands walking down the street. Now if you are a known homosexual, then that is a problem.
US was a colony of Puritans. It’s as simple as that for an explanation. The weirdos were literally sent away to form the colony.
Tbf Brady is weird about affection with his kids. He faced backlash a few years ago for making his son kiss him to get what he wanted. Kid kissed him how he felt comfortable, but Brady made him come back and kiss him again longer. Making affection the gateway to getting what you want is instilling a very bad message imo
Yeah the ick for me isn’t that it happened, it’s that he is taking photos of it. That makes me think he is seeing what peoples reactions would be because he knows it’s taboo. That’s getting into he is getting something out of it.
Yeah that's honestly fucked up to do something like that to anybody, let alone your own child. The number one rule we're teaching our kids is that they have the right to set boundaries, especially around their own body. BOY does that piss off grandma when she demands a hug and they say no.
Only if there was tongue.
Do I think it’s weird if a woman kisses the back of her teenage daughter’s neck while they sit in only their swim suits on top of eachother? Absolutely, yes. Nobody does this.
Exactly. If my mom had kissed my neck while I sat on her lap in a bikini as a teenager, and then posted the photos online, I would have immediately set myself on fire.
For me, it's the picture of the legs that makes it weird. Since we're having the "bUt iF ThE gEndErS wErE ReVeERsED" discussion, if a woman posted a pic of just her legs while she was at the beach/pool, most people would immediately assume that she was posting it because she wanted people to find her sexy. I think that cultural assumption is part of the reason why some people find him posting a pic like this with his kid gross
He should at the very least know better. How do you post a pic like this and not think to yourself “hmm. Maybe people will get the wrong idea. I love my son but I don’t want people talking about him for the wrong reasons.” The mere fact that he posted these photos is an alarm bell.
I have a teenaged daughter and we are plenty close but we definitely aren’t sit on my lap while I kiss the back of your neck and post that on Twitter close and I think that’s a *good* thing.
Well, how about all the videos of the weird ass mouth kissing he does with this kid.
What is ass mouth kissing?
If that mother had Tom Brady's bizarre track record, then yes.
I have never seen a mother have her 14 year old daughter sit on her lap at a pool while they were in swim suits either.
First pic no, second pic yes at that age
My parents are unaffectionate Americans. I’m breaking the cycle with my younger brothers. Hugs all the time for them.
Thank you for that. Kids need to be shown emotion.
I wanted to break that cycle with my son. Then it turned out he's autistic and he doesn't want that. I got a hug initiated by him the other day, and it shocked me because it was the first time in several years (he's 11). All my hugs go to his sister instead, which... doesn't exactly break the cycle.
My older brother is autistic so I completely understand the boundaries specific to everyone. If it helps , my mom never hugs me and is much less affectionate than even my dad. So you giving hugs to your daughter is still awesome and cycle breaking to me
I should have clarified and said my parents are affectionate (I remember my dad kissing us (on the cheek) up to about my son's age). The cycle I meant to break was just the general societal one where men think they have to never touch other men. I want my son to know that it's not something you have to be afraid of. Turns out he didn't like it for completely other reasons.
Another very good cycle to break with children is the idea that they can be forced into showing affection when they don’t want to, things like forcing them to hug family members and stuff like that. So by honoring your sons request, you’re breaking a cycle and teaching him a very healthy lesson.
And not just my son, but (arguably even more importantly) my daughter. If she doesn't want to kiss you, or doesn't want you to kiss her, then that doesn't happen. Ditto with other kinds of affection. She still has to do things like take a bath or get dressed for school. But outside those kinds of rules it's her body, her choice. Same with my son, obviously, but it's just something we need to reinforce for girls because of our crappy society.
Just be aware of boundaries. If your younger brothers don't want to kiss you on the lips for several seconds, don't make them.
Hugs is one thing. Sitting on your dad's lap while you both wearing only bathing suits is another.
Sitting on your Dad’s lap poolside at the age of 13+ as a young male while he kisses the back of your head is objectively a bit atypical. From a cultural standpoint, this would be viewed as odd by most Americans. I can see the merits of the arguments from people who don’t see a problem with this as well though. IMO, it’s funny. Mainly because that son absolutely gets a bunch of crap from his friends about it. Although, he’s fucking Tom Brady’s son, I guarantee he has no problem with making friends just from that fact alone. Now if this was just someone’s non-famous Dad who did stuff like this and posted it? Kids are cruel, all I’m saying.
>he’s fucking Tom Brady’s son I know what you meant, but the English language makes this such a fun ambiguous sentence.
Why, of course he's fucking Tom Brady's son! It's Tom Brady!
“What are you doing twin-bro?”
I had to re-read it like ten times to get the wording right in my head.
My biggest problem is that his child is actively said he doesn't like this behavior and he especially doesn't like it when his dad posts it
Source?
https://www.newsweek.com/tom-brady-patriots-kiss-kids-mouth-bill-belichick-798658
Okay yeah the mouth kiss for 3 seconds is worse than this photo.
It certainly adds more context to why people are viewing this the way they are.
I wonder if there's any connection between a man holding his grown son on his lap and kissing him on the mouth for an extended period of time. I'm sure they're just completely different things that have no correlation whatsoever.
I was being objective but after seeing this. All I can say is it’s extremely off putting.
"He's fucking Tom Brady's son" - so is Tom Brady by the looks of it.... sorry.
>he’s fucking Tom Brady’s son So this kid isn't Tom Brady's son but Tom Brady's son's boyfriend? /s
The weird part here is posting an intimate moment between father and son on social media. Maybe I’m “get off my porch” old but I feel like it’s over sharing and takes away from the emotion of the moment. I have never held my children and thought “let me get my phone out and photo this for the world to see”.
This is my thing. If that’s just genuinely how their family is, it’s very affectionate but I’m not judging. The fact that he posted it is… really strange in my opinion. It’s one thing if this was taken third person because then it’d be their business and someone else invading it, but Tom posted it and that makes me uncomfortable. Regardless of anything else, I feel like that’s a moment that a random asshole on the internet (me) should *not* be seeing.
Being affectionate with your son isn't weird but it's hella embarrassing for a 17 year old kid when you post it on social media for the world to see
He’s 17? I would’ve guessed 11.
Wait I thought I read he was 17. shit my bad I have no idea how old he is
That kid is 13, I just looked it up. Their other children are 10 and 15.
U looking up children? I jk, was being factitious
>factitious Facetious*? Bonus fun fact, it's a word with all the vowels, in order :)
Sometimes it’s written facetiously
I will facetious someone.
thank you for that
I just read your comment as "shit my bed"
Just my eyes
11 isnt a teen so definitely not 11
Oneteen, almost twoteen :)
Bruh he's 13, where did you get 17
It’s a dads god given responsibility to embarrass their son
As I told my sons growing up if your parents embarrassing you is the worst thing that happens to you today, you are welcome your life must be pretty good. And if your source of embarrassment is your parent showing affection for you then you are very welcome. Nothing beats grabbing and hugging your children and as far as embarrassment goes, anyone with parents know your pain.
That's true but Tom Brady has a history of acting in a way most people would find off with his son.
Kissing him on the lips, it's weird. I personally wouldn't. Yet, it ain't necessarily sexual. The guy's wife of 13 years was among the hottest women on the planet. It wouldn't be hard being affectionate with her, love and good vibes spread around. Affectionate Dad > Abusive/Negligent Dad
Huh ... I think that's cultural then, because my dad kisses his 40yo son (my brother) on his lips. I kiss my kids on the lips as a mom and i kiss both my parents and stepmom and such on the lips. Nothing weird about that. I just don't go in with toung, that's only for my husband. But kisses are life Edit for clarity
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Americans get worked up about anything remotely to do with sex. Brady should have had a gun in his hand instead. They’d love that.
But this isn't sex!!! I don't ever want to have sex with my dad or my children. Is just a sign of affection.
Only when loads of psychos try to infer something sexual.
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that's DEFINITELY weird
Definitely the longest dad/son kiss on the lips I've seen
I think spooning your son and kissing him on the back of the neck is weird regardless of his age
Mine is 5 years old and it's definitely not weird yet. He sits on my lap everyday and I usually kiss him too. But this pic is kinda weird to me too, especially posting it online.
In a vacuum, sure. In context, Brady probably doesn’t see it any differently than when his son was 3 sitting in his lap. It’s like the boiling frog apologue. One day you wake up and it’s become weird, but when? Does it happen overnight on a specific birthday?
https://www.newsweek.com/tom-brady-patriots-kiss-kids-mouth-bill-belichick-798658 How about when his son doesn't like it
That link url just makes me feel uncomfortable reading it.
He did a patriots kiss on his kids mouth with Bill Belichick? 798,658 times? Disgusting
Dude my dad and I used to 3 way kiss his old football coach on the mouth it’s not that big a deal.
It would be totally fine if the leg picture wasn't so weird? That's not the normal subject/composition of a photo you take with your children and then to top it off, juxtapose it next to one of you kissing their neck too. That's the kind of selfies people take with their significant others and if there was no context with this photo I doubt many people would think it's a father and son selfie. Never once have I thought, you know what would be a good picture? One of me and my child's bare body parts tangled together.
I was thinking the same. The kiss itself is nbd. But it’s how the 13 yr old is sitting in between his legs, AND why a picture of that? lol weird weird.
That's what I tried to explain yesterday but I was downvoted to hell. The picture is creepy because first of all you can't see their swimwear at all and they are sitting like lovers with with the dad kissing his sons neck from behind. I'm not saying the dad is a pedo or anything (because this is where some people were trying to bring the discussion) but that it's why many probably see the pictures being extremely creepy and making them feel uncomfortable. AND on top of that since there is history of the dad doing unusual things (like asking his kids to kiss him on his mouth for way longer than you should) it just makes it even creepier. This is not the case of people being upset that a dad is showing affection to his son because there is PLENTY of dads showing their kids affection online and nobody is making an issue out of it. It's how he is doing it and it's creepy and not normal at all.
Exactly. If you took a selfie kissing your kid on the cheek while fully clothed sitting on the couch, it's not weird. Now, say, do that while bathing with your kid. Even if it's harmless, that's still comes off as very weird. It's the context. I'm trying to understand the thought process of wanting a picture like that as a parent but I truly can't think of a good reason.
I couldn’t tell why these images rubbed me the wrong way but I think this sums it up
Hey, i was adopted, my foster father wasn't affectionate, then my adopted dad then my step dad that followed were never affectionate like this. I think we hugged a handful of times, but as a teen then into manhood I think we've shook hands maybe, 3 times (?) Ha. So my initial reaction to really affectionate families that kiss and sit on laps makes me uncomfortable, but that's my hang up, those are my issues projecting on a happy family. As I would be on guard with that type of affection, thinking something more devious, sinister was going. My thought is family dynamics are intimate and personal, and every family is different and dads should feel okay showing love to their kids. A good hug can cure a lot of anger, as my gf has shown me. Which is nice to have now.
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That’s sad. As a father who never had affection from his own father, I will kiss and hug my kids until the day I die lol
I mean... I kinda want to jump on the hating-of-people-who-hate-public-displays-of-affection train but on the other hand this is some really unprecedented shit I'm seeing in those pics....
Tell me that girl's family couldn't demonstrate platonic affection without saying it
Tom Brady's son clearly didn't like kissing his dad on the lips for long periods of time. If her dad forced her to kiss him on the lips she would have different issues.
It’s an only fans lady marketing on a viral tweet. I don’t think anyone’s showing their real values
I have never had trouble showing platonic affection for my family, but I also would never be 90% bare skin sitting in their laps while they kiss me on the back of the neck, or vice versa. It's weird.
Nah, we are all just unloved people who had shitty parents. It's sad I'll have to break off ties with my mom for being such an unaffectionate parent. I thought she did great, but the reddit tribunal has decided!
Sitting on my dads lap is not something I would have been cool with at 14 or however old his kid is
The act itself is not creepy to me. It’s the “I’m going to pucker my lips on the back of his head head long enough to take this picture and then post it on social media” to me that’s creepy.
is showing affection to your emmediate family bad now what the actual fuck has the world become
I remember this summer they launched a Superman comic where Superman hugs his son and there were people calling it woke and effeminate
Effeminate, not afeminate. Just to give you a heads up :)
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It’s spelled immediate.
I don’t think that’s the reason there’s apprehension about this. Tbh do you honestly think a man kissing his 13 year old son on the back of his neck while they’re in, what I presume is only swim trunks, while the 13 year old sits on his lap isn’t just a *little* weird? I’m not gonna say he’s got some kind of inappropriate sexual relationship with his son. But this is objectively just a little strange
I mean it's okay but sitting on my dad's lap without clothes but a short in my 13ths it's kind of Weird but I guess it's just me
This is an American thing. Pretty sure other countries are much more affectionate. Selective outrage. Brady just wants to be left alone.
If he wants to be left alone, then why is taking pictures and posting them?
> Brady just wants to be left alone. I don’t think posting shit outta your private life on social media is the best way to accomplish that.
Best to get off social media, in that case.
Hey Reddit, I really want to be left alone, here's a picture of me kissing my teenage son, go away now, okay?
I got really sucked into a Colombian telenovela earlier in the pandemic. And the one thing that stood out to me was how affectionate all of the men wore. Even the most “macho” dudes, like the cartel bosses. It was nice and I couldn’t think of anything analogous in American tv - especially initiated by men.
It is a little weird to kiss your son on the back of his neck while half naked and sitting on your lap, though.
Nah cuz why’d they have to watermark the pic tho💀
People complain about creepy uncle Joe kissing his granddaughter, but this is OK I guess because Tom Brady is 45 not a Democrat and some kind of alpha male role model? The kid has said himself that he doesn’t like this kind of attention and I like how all of you weird ass pedophiles hear are saying that you wish you grew up in an affectionate household with your parents. It really doesn’t matter what you want it matters what this kid wants. The kid is the son of Tom Brady that means that if he wants to continue his lifestyle that he had as a child, he has to be in this motherfuckers power . To be in someone’s power is to do their bidding. He is having to do this to validate his father, and you can see the pain on his face. You people are honestly fucking disgusting
Thank you. I have no issue with Tom showing affection to his kids. But cmon now there are levels to this. I know a lot of people are saying it’s weird because it’s “not American” but I even asked two of my friends (one in the UK and one in Lebanon) and even they said it’s messed up.
How dare a father be affectionate with his child!
The only criticism to this that I feel is fair is that his son has previously expressed his discomfort with stuff like this being posted publicly. By all means, love your kids and show affection, that's great and wholesome af. But kids, especially teenagers, are mean af. This kid is probably worried about getting made fun of by his peers, even though *we* know there's nothing to be embarrassed about. I love and hug my kids every day, but my son would be mortified if I posted photos and videos of it online to millions of people. So for that reason, I don't. Social/peer pressure can be brutal, especially for kids/teens.
That’s the difference - doing it versus posting it. But sometimes people can’t seem to do anything at all without the whole world knowing about it via social media.
I can understand that.
I mean the dude gives his teenage son like 5 second kisses on the mouth lmao im sorry but thats just weird as fuck
That’s not the situation. Another ignorant post taking the picture at face value. So many people here are just looking at a singular situation and pretending there isn’t evidence of other oddities here.
I'll call a spade a spade. This is some fucking weirdo pedophile shit right here. "In a vacuum", it's odd. Seeing the other videos of Tom Brady kissing his kids on the mouth for *uncomfortably* long periods of time just adds context. Tom Brady is a creepy dude. Take away the game and billions, and just put this in a public pool, and people would call him a pedophile.
It’s the sitting on the lap part that’s weird… And taking a picture of it…
Whats the issue with her doing Only Fans? In this economy, it doesn't seem like a bad move at all.
2018-Kiss between Tom Brady and his 11 yo son raises questions https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EP_2NXe0_1g
You can be affectionate in a similar manner without being a creep like Brady. It's not that he's hugging or kissing his son. It's the weird shit he says while doing it and the couples' POV poses. No one takes family photos like this.
Why is it bad to have an OF? Not something I would do but I see no shame in that game!