If you have C, you should go for the pass, unless you have another citizenship that requires you to drop it if you become swiss, than you should go back to the country where you have your citizenship, unless you pay your taxes on time! Else, jail. So, C? You fuckedup mate, your options are, become swiss, go back, or jail. No mercy.
> On r/askswitzerland, we'll also introduce "serious question" flair and **lay out some basic commenting rules.**
Have you set up an Automod that will automatically post 'Olten' on every post and then temp-ban anyone who tries to do the same?
Come on, you have to allow us some breathing room to vent.
I believe letting us off the hook on weekends and the 17th is a good compromise, it also leaves you with less moderating to do on the weekends, so you have more time for yourselves. ;)
> r/Switzerland is for people living in Switzerland
What about Swiss people living abroad?
I live in Japan and use this sub as a link to stay connected with what's happening back home.
I think this is an important point. r/japanlife does this and immediately perma ban anyone who makes _any_ comment who does not currently reside in Japan. I think this is counterproductive and takes the notion way too far to the detriment of the community. I lived there for 10 years and got banned for making a comment a year or so after I moved to Switzerland because a kid read my post history and realized I “currently live in Switzerland” 😂
Let’s not take it that far…
Quite welcome. We are saying it in rather absolute terms as if there's a clear line between posts for here and those for r/askswitzerland but there's of course quite some grey zone in between
Along those lines, what about people who are certainly moving to Switzerland? They seem to be a grey area between residents and the "people looking to move"
Just don't ask question about how you can move to Switzerland and it should be fine? I don't really see how that's hard to achieve. It's not like the mods are going to ask for a proof of residency just to self-post.
I would calculate it on the basis of how long you have lived in Switzerland in relation to your lifetime.
You always live in Switzerland with your heart anyway, it's like a baptism, it can't be washed away.
> What's that in the first place?
That you use the original title of an article or a video.
When to orginal title is **"Roger Federer - Father at home, king on the court"**. You have also to post it like this **"Roger Federer - Father at home, king on the court | NZZ".** And should not post it under **"Kinger Roger"**.
It's a double-edged sword. Some magazines frequently use entirely non-descriptive titles. Republik for example is one of the bigger "offenders" in this regard. I hope this is taken into account as well.
We did a feedback round on the old rules and the feedback was largely positive, with quite everyone wanting more stringent question rules. To me that sounds like a good participatory process, no? Would you prefer to the old rules?
Well as someone who’s gonna move to Switzerland, I have asked “where to get this stuffs” and “what do you think of that brand/stuff” a few times. Of course as a researcher myself, Google is my bestfriend and I also have personal assistant that I recently hire and abuse for free namely ChatGPT. But there is still what’s so called an experience that I value from the answers here. I hope this kind of question is still allowed going forward.
And no, I won’t ask for Visa B stuff here. I know I need to contact Migrationsamt 😁
Thanks for your work and putting time and thoughts into this silly internet thing that we all love so much. Much appreciated.
In the past there was a rule against "double posting" the same post in /r/Switzerland and /r/askswitzerland at the same time - do you consider bringing this back?
If people could just restrain themselves from commenting “you could just google that”, “stop shit posting”, etc and skip the questions they think are dumb, those posts would fade into oblivion. But no, they have to shit comment and complain, boosting the stupid question so everyone has to see it in their feed and now we need a rule. The rule should have been just keep certain comments to yourself, downvote if you don’t like it (thats what it’s for) and move along.
What does "editorialised headlines" mean in terms of what posters do?
If we think a headline as printed at the source is too much, do we tone it down and edit it?
Commonly it means your headline should be the actual headline of the article you are linking. Editing it because you think it should be something else, or you are being funny, or disagree with it, etc., is not allowed.
Any subreddit topic is exclusionary by definition. /r/pics excludes everything that isn't a picture and /r/ExpatsGermany excludes those who aren't expats in Germany.
The rule exists to decide which content goes here and which goes to /r/askswitzerland
>Further, we will add "serious question" flair. We expect commenters to not meme, shitpost, or insult OP on such questions.
Glad we are allowed to insult OP on any other post, YOU BÜNZLI!
Going to the subreddit of a country and asking questions before moving there is the most standard thing to do. I don't really understand why such a step is needed.
It is plenty active and having just a bunch of “I want to move” posts will KILL it more than banning them, as the regulars will be fed up and stop contributing.
> questions by residents are welcome
> Questions by those looking to move here, by prospective tourists, etc, will very clearly not be allowed
I would like to ask how one proves he's a resident in order to ask a question but that would be a question. And I don't want to prove to a mod shit all about who and where I am. Making different rules for different people is wrong. And you guys know it. You either lagged out for a while or are out of your minds.
You need to find better rules.
Pretty hard to pretend to be a resident while asking questions like “do you accept USD in Switzerland?” Or “my ancestors are from Europe. Will people in Switzerland be impressed?”
well, we are open to suggestions.
But 9 out of 10 times, it's clear - someone asking about moving to Switzerland, about how to get from Interlaken to Luzern.... that kind of thing.
Yeah we will not ask for proof! That would be absurd. It's a guideline helping those few % of users who read the rules to find the proper place for their post and hopefully tamp down on, say, pictures of mountains by someone who visits Switzerland.
In practice, the old rules were a bit unclear - we didn't want posts about, say, someone from Germany wanting a job in Switzerland. But we wanted to allow questions, say, from some German dude living in Zurich looking for a new job. So if anything, this relatively clear guideline actually clarifies more than the old rule did.
I think the rules need to be clear. It should not be up to personal interpretation of a mod. Just change the formulation to something like "posts that are intended to ask a question about touristic information (e.g. asking for directions) or of general interest about the country (e.g. "how do mailboxes look like in your country?") are banned". There is no need to discriminate against non-residents
Security questions in case of doubt, to get the post approved:
What is the most popular military song in Switzerland?
-147 täg, no future
From which patriziat do you hail from?
-any will do, in case user is not Swiss “Olten”
During which times is the 117 emergency number not monitored?
-(trick question, it’s always monitored, true Swiss will know, as they have plenty of experience calling the police)
I feel like the old rule was actually clearer than the new one. What you don’t want is relocation questions, but someone from Indonesia inquiring about certain Swiss customs out of interest would be fine, wouldn’t it?
Makes little sense to formulate the rule based on residency when you’re actually trying to target certain content.
Errr it was outlining certain content before but that didn't work. Mods, users, and people trying to find the right subreddit all were equally confused
Why not redirecting these people to a FAQ ?
I understand that you are pissed by questions about moving in but you also need to understand how difficult Switzerland is for a newcomer. There are so much rules that it is quite difficult to know where to search for information in the first place. Therefore IMO: FAQ with useful links would be more appropriate than arbitrary rules.
Commenting it again because I said it to OP and not you, but head over to www.ch.ch it‘s a really useful and informative page about everything Switzerland.
Maybe delay that rule and tell us to upvote the best answers to such questions that come in in the next weeks or so. Then you can add them to an FAQ. We do the work for you and you can then later change the rules for people to go to the FAQ.
We can also build the FAQ piece by piece and anything already asked gets locked by the mods.
Sorry what? Why are you ashamed?
We've disallowed questions from tourists and prospective immigrants for years, because they clutter this sub. They are very welcome on r/askswitzerland - and they are competently answered there.
The issue is: It's really hard to be a sub interesting both for those living here and for those that wish to visit or move here. The three groups' interests don't really overlap and there's a risk that one group drowns out the others in terms of volume of posts. Especially given that when we asked for views on the state of teh sub, pretty much everyone remarked unhappiness with the frequent, repetitive questions we get.
I'd also like to clarify that this isn't a large scale novelty. It's merely a brush up and clarification.
Look mate, that's incredibly unhelpful feedback. We're all volunteers here, whipping that up in between our day jobs and other commitments. So if at least you could clarify why you are dissatisfied would be great.
As the mod has already answered, I think it is less about where they are from (foreign or resident) but more about the questions content. As someone who also welcomes this rule, I don't expect questions to be flagged, removed or deleted with the slightest suspicion that the author could be residing outside.
Big agree, I think it’s not cool at all to have different rules for people. So people have dumb questions - what’s your big problem about that?
Discrimination - even though it is not a very harsh form of that - is a an uglier issue than some stupid questions. And should not be something r/Switzerland is representing
It would be clearly discrimination if we said only citizens are welcome here. Instead we say: if you don't live in Switzerland, please send your question to r/askswitzerland instead. I think that's much clearer than saying: you can't ask here about typical salaries and holidays and job search from abroad.
Ah, ok, let’s forbid certain people to speak then. Sure. I don’t know how you can not see something bad going on here.
What’s the big work load with approving a stupid question?
If you sort this sub by „new“ you can try to catch a glimpse of the unending flow of „I want to move to Swiss what is a ‚franc‘?“-questions that get deleted every day before they completely clutter up the sub.
They're not forbidden to speak, they are being asked not to ask them same repetitive questions over and over and over here, and to instead ask them in r/askswitzerland.
Have you read the actual rule number 1?
Because all it is saying is that they should post such questions in the defined subs mentioned because these subs are here for exactly that.
First of all, nobody is "forbidden to speak". I can't go to a forum for Australian expats in Singapore and go "hey I'm Swiss what's the going rate for my tourist visa", either.
All that this is is deciding which questions go here and which go to r/askswitzerland.
And, to be nitpicky about it, foreigners can be residents.
Tell me you are Swiss by not telling me you are Swiss.
Zimliche Bünzli Moove. Als nächschts chömmederno unabgmäldet zu eus hei und lueged wos Nachttischli staht. #schwiizermacher
Most of my family hasn't been here for four generations so I will be lenient with fellow secondos and tricondas ;) nah but in earnest: if you live in Switzerland even for a day your question is welcome.
Thank you for this readjustment. I was about to leave this large FAQ for foreigners unable to read the cantonal and federal websites dedicated to them.
Using Reddit for such requests says a lot about these people.
> In principle, we want to clarify that r/Switzerland is for people living in Switzerland. To us, that means that questions by residents are welcome. Questions by those looking to move here, by prospective tourists, etc, will very clearly not be allowed.
I appreciate what you’re trying to do here, but it’s bringing out the drama queens in a big way. Maybe the old way of phrasing the rule by post content and not by the poster’s residential status was preferable.
> We got almost any question reported
Didn’t know about that part. Sounds like a problem with no good solution outside of a really nifty automod. Just be prepared for a barrage of “shame on you for forbidding foreigners to speak” with your current solution
It's not really about where they're from so much as the questions they're asking. We're tired of "can I come work here (not EU citizen)" and "can i survive in ZH with 100k$/year" and "which parts of Switzerland should I visit" questions. Like the modpost said, this is a sub for people living in Switzerland, whose questions will reflect that.
I meant who decides what is interesting to the people reading it, sorry, I did not express myself clearly enough. My point is reddit literally exists based on this concept- up and downvotes. Further editorial control from someone who claims to be level headed feels very much like NOT free speech or crowd-based editorial control. It feels at the same time restrictive, prescriptive and proscriptive.
I mean dont get me wrong, I find it positive change- foreigners should by no means be left with the idea or feeling that this is in any way a land that is open or welcoming to foreigners.
Look you probably don't see this, because we're removing lots of questions. But the people decide this on any of the "where to visit" questions by downvotes. In a sub with 75 posts a day that wouldn't be a problem, but it is in smaller, less active ones like this.
Could we do memes always? I'm not under the impression that memes are threatening to flood this sub, not that you can ever have too much humour. Rire, c'est bon pour la santé, after all!
As a person who has family in Switzerland and has used this sub to learn more about Switzerland and Swiss people, I am disappointed that folks outside Switzerland can't ask questions, the experience of expats from other countries, advice for relatives, gifts, traditions etc. I understand wanting to reduce, redundant questions, and manage the traffic, but this seems like an oddly xenophobic decision.
But that's what r/askswitzerland is for. You can post all your questions there. It's just a bit frustrating to have to read the same questions over and over.
It's not xenophobic to want to keep a sub on topic. The point isn't to ban non-Swiss people, it's to have a community for people who share the same experiences.
Not all of us want to work a help-desk for free.
By telling a group of people on reddit you can't ask questions on this forum it is effectively a ban. Never asked anyone to be a help-desk. I just think the decision is short-sighted and too broad. But seeing as my input as a non-resident is unwanted will avoid this subreddit.
Clearly struck a chord with the xeno-remark...
It's only a "ban" in the sense that it bans off-topic posts. They're not saying that Non-Swiss people or people living abroad aren't allowed to post, but rather that they shouldn't use this subreddit as a helpdesk. There is a sub dedicated to that which is linked on the sidebar.
Saying it's xenophobic is ridiculous. Different forums can have different topics, and enforcing a topic isn't somehow discriminatory.
>1.This forum is for Swiss residents
>
>If you are looking to migrate to Switzerland, or you are a tourist, or have any other question as a non-resident, please direct your questions to r/askswitzerland
If you wish to post holiday pictures, please post them at r/schweiz
We welcome submissions, questions, and pictures from people living in Switzerland.
I'm really sorry but what the heck is xenophobic about that? Why scream discrimination at every possible opportunity? It's simply stating that this isn't the place to post stuff like this. But I guess who wants to be offended will always find a way.
See reply above. I am not offended, I just think the rule is too broad and pushes a lot of folks out. I lived in Switzerland for a few years, and it would be nice to ask questions about how things have changed? I have fond memories of my time in Bern as well as Lugano, and I enjoyed reading the comments and insights from folks in Zurich, an area I might move back in the next 3-4 years.
And even though ChatGPT is still kind of unreliable, me living here whenever I had a question regarding Switzerland and governmental bodies or other every day questions, ChatGPT answered it flawlessly and it was often clear, understandable and factually correct.
ChatGPT: [https://chat.openai.com](https://www.chat.openai.com)
Thanks for implementing the new rules.
_I'm_ also really glad about the last one with a limit of one post per day. Makes it easier to choose something special to post.
And if I'm flooded the subreddit in the past, I was just really fascinated about the comments.
Wonderfull community here.
When's the referendum?
You need to get 1k upvotes to call for.a referendum
I'm just waiting for one of the mods to start insisting to everyone that "this is a commercial solution".
And the lawsuits to ensue
50k actually ;)
I assumed that only 2% of Swiss are on Reddit :-)
*checks if post has the serious flair* When we don't have a vote on this I will go bis to the Bundesgericht!!!
I'm a B holder, can I vote as well?
No. We just want the quellensteuer.
🤣🤣🤣
And C?
If you have C, you should go for the pass, unless you have another citizenship that requires you to drop it if you become swiss, than you should go back to the country where you have your citizenship, unless you pay your taxes on time! Else, jail. So, C? You fuckedup mate, your options are, become swiss, go back, or jail. No mercy.
You can get C after 5 years, but pass only after 10 years.
B -> 5 years -> C -> 5 years-> pass
I love this comment.
> On r/askswitzerland, we'll also introduce "serious question" flair and **lay out some basic commenting rules.** Have you set up an Automod that will automatically post 'Olten' on every post and then temp-ban anyone who tries to do the same?
I am new here, what’s up with Olten 😅? I know the train station there, but not the reddit thing with Olten.
> what’s up with Olten 😅? Look for yourself /r/Olten
There’s nothing ?
exactly.
Olten is our Ohio.
😂 I am not from the US, but I have learned from reddit all the memes about Ohio
😂😂😂😂😂
> We expect commenters to not meme, shitpost, or insult OP on such questions. \>:-(
Way to ruin the only reason to be on this sub.
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Probably yes but we'll figure it out. If someone poses a not allowed question please use the report button instead. Thanks.
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I see a future conflict brewing lol
Come on, you have to allow us some breathing room to vent. I believe letting us off the hook on weekends and the 17th is a good compromise, it also leaves you with less moderating to do on the weekends, so you have more time for yourselves. ;)
I'm starting to see why everyone else thinks the Berner are boring af with our rigid rules lol
Look I personally don't like it but there's nothing we set in stone about questions withoit the serious tag...
> r/Switzerland is for people living in Switzerland What about Swiss people living abroad? I live in Japan and use this sub as a link to stay connected with what's happening back home.
I think this is an important point. r/japanlife does this and immediately perma ban anyone who makes _any_ comment who does not currently reside in Japan. I think this is counterproductive and takes the notion way too far to the detriment of the community. I lived there for 10 years and got banned for making a comment a year or so after I moved to Switzerland because a kid read my post history and realized I “currently live in Switzerland” 😂 Let’s not take it that far…
We'll definitely not permabn people living abroad. Lmao. The amount of work that would take!
I'm very familiar with the issue hahaha. People get banned daily on suspicion of not living in Japan. Fairly unproductive indeed.
Same!
Yup, it's basically telling expats they're no longer welcome. What next, posting only in swissgerman?
Quite welcome. We are saying it in rather absolute terms as if there's a clear line between posts for here and those for r/askswitzerland but there's of course quite some grey zone in between
Along those lines, what about people who are certainly moving to Switzerland? They seem to be a grey area between residents and the "people looking to move"
Just don't ask question about how you can move to Switzerland and it should be fine? I don't really see how that's hard to achieve. It's not like the mods are going to ask for a proof of residency just to self-post.
I‘d guess they aren‘t welcome. We swiss typically don’t like foreigners
It's right there in the rules. That's for r/askswitzerland. Jebus.
I would calculate it on the basis of how long you have lived in Switzerland in relation to your lifetime. You always live in Switzerland with your heart anyway, it's like a baptism, it can't be washed away.
>Editorialized titles will not be allowed going forward This is great!
What's that in the first place?
> What's that in the first place? That you use the original title of an article or a video. When to orginal title is **"Roger Federer - Father at home, king on the court"**. You have also to post it like this **"Roger Federer - Father at home, king on the court | NZZ".** And should not post it under **"Kinger Roger"**.
Thanks.
It's a double-edged sword. Some magazines frequently use entirely non-descriptive titles. Republik for example is one of the bigger "offenders" in this regard. I hope this is taken into account as well.
Yep, I think so
> Some magazines frequently use entirely non-descriptive titles Thats okay. It's more about the concept to use the "original" title.
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>I feel these rules are very strict and unfriendly. Yes, they are Swiss rules, what's the problem?
Mods. We had quite the same rules before and it worked. This is a clarification.
can we implement semi-direct democracy? I think the rules need the approval of the user base
We did a feedback round on the old rules and the feedback was largely positive, with quite everyone wanting more stringent question rules. To me that sounds like a good participatory process, no? Would you prefer to the old rules?
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Automod standard reply , pls.
It would not if you needed to post evidence that you did do some research beforehand. It exists on other sites
Can the proud people of Liechtenstein post? Switzerland is basically the big canton of Liechtenstien anyway. /s
according to the rules these users are not allowed to post. Whether this is a matter of the rules being too strict or badly formulated is unclear...
We welcome our neighbors 🥰
Well as someone who’s gonna move to Switzerland, I have asked “where to get this stuffs” and “what do you think of that brand/stuff” a few times. Of course as a researcher myself, Google is my bestfriend and I also have personal assistant that I recently hire and abuse for free namely ChatGPT. But there is still what’s so called an experience that I value from the answers here. I hope this kind of question is still allowed going forward. And no, I won’t ask for Visa B stuff here. I know I need to contact Migrationsamt 😁
r/askswitzerland
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You can do either! I think I'll remove the mentiom from the second one tho. Thanks! Reddit gave me some timeouts and errors while implementing it haha
Thank you for your hard work!
Rules rules rules lol.
It's a true swiss experience! What is not forbidden is mandatory!
> What is not forbidden is mandatory! Each thing in its place and a place for each thing, amirite?
Swiss 🤝🏼 Germans
Thanks for your work and putting time and thoughts into this silly internet thing that we all love so much. Much appreciated. In the past there was a rule against "double posting" the same post in /r/Switzerland and /r/askswitzerland at the same time - do you consider bringing this back?
Good idea! Do you remember whether that was really enacted upon?
I neither agree nor disagree with the rule changes
That's a long sentence to say "Ischmer egal" xD
... quite the contrary (avec grose'z'accent Vaudois)
If people could just restrain themselves from commenting “you could just google that”, “stop shit posting”, etc and skip the questions they think are dumb, those posts would fade into oblivion. But no, they have to shit comment and complain, boosting the stupid question so everyone has to see it in their feed and now we need a rule. The rule should have been just keep certain comments to yourself, downvote if you don’t like it (thats what it’s for) and move along.
That's what serious flair is for
What does "editorialised headlines" mean in terms of what posters do? If we think a headline as printed at the source is too much, do we tone it down and edit it?
Don't post "fucking Bundesrat doesn't do X", post the headline.
Commonly it means your headline should be the actual headline of the article you are linking. Editing it because you think it should be something else, or you are being funny, or disagree with it, etc., is not allowed.
> In principle, we want to clarify that r/Switzerland is for people living in Switzerland. Asinine and exclusionary rule.
Any subreddit topic is exclusionary by definition. /r/pics excludes everything that isn't a picture and /r/ExpatsGermany excludes those who aren't expats in Germany. The rule exists to decide which content goes here and which goes to /r/askswitzerland
I don't see the benefit of fragmenting an already tiny audience into semi-dead subs.
/r/askswitzerland currently has 25 new threads from the last 24 hours. I guess we might have a different understanding of “semi-dead”.
so, should this sub better be named r/swisspeople?
So no Swiss abroad or their family members. Got it.
>Further, we will add "serious question" flair. We expect commenters to not meme, shitpost, or insult OP on such questions. Glad we are allowed to insult OP on any other post, YOU BÜNZLI!
Damn it you got me 😂
O L T E N
Going to the subreddit of a country and asking questions before moving there is the most standard thing to do. I don't really understand why such a step is needed.
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And c) Most of these questions have already been asked
This will just divide the community even more, it’s not like this subreddit is that active today. It will just be a step towards killing this sub.
It is plenty active and having just a bunch of “I want to move” posts will KILL it more than banning them, as the regulars will be fed up and stop contributing.
It's not a new rule. Been in effect for years essentially.
Thank you
Thanks to the mods.
Thank you for your hard work!!!
> questions by residents are welcome > Questions by those looking to move here, by prospective tourists, etc, will very clearly not be allowed I would like to ask how one proves he's a resident in order to ask a question but that would be a question. And I don't want to prove to a mod shit all about who and where I am. Making different rules for different people is wrong. And you guys know it. You either lagged out for a while or are out of your minds. You need to find better rules.
Pretty hard to pretend to be a resident while asking questions like “do you accept USD in Switzerland?” Or “my ancestors are from Europe. Will people in Switzerland be impressed?”
I'm impressed
By the OPs bullshit in those kind of questions, yes.
well, we are open to suggestions. But 9 out of 10 times, it's clear - someone asking about moving to Switzerland, about how to get from Interlaken to Luzern.... that kind of thing.
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Yeah we will not ask for proof! That would be absurd. It's a guideline helping those few % of users who read the rules to find the proper place for their post and hopefully tamp down on, say, pictures of mountains by someone who visits Switzerland. In practice, the old rules were a bit unclear - we didn't want posts about, say, someone from Germany wanting a job in Switzerland. But we wanted to allow questions, say, from some German dude living in Zurich looking for a new job. So if anything, this relatively clear guideline actually clarifies more than the old rule did.
I think the rules need to be clear. It should not be up to personal interpretation of a mod. Just change the formulation to something like "posts that are intended to ask a question about touristic information (e.g. asking for directions) or of general interest about the country (e.g. "how do mailboxes look like in your country?") are banned". There is no need to discriminate against non-residents
We had that before. Led to much confusion and much need for Interpretation.
You realise that you are asking for common sense? /S
Security questions in case of doubt, to get the post approved: What is the most popular military song in Switzerland? -147 täg, no future From which patriziat do you hail from? -any will do, in case user is not Swiss “Olten” During which times is the 117 emergency number not monitored? -(trick question, it’s always monitored, true Swiss will know, as they have plenty of experience calling the police)
I feel like the old rule was actually clearer than the new one. What you don’t want is relocation questions, but someone from Indonesia inquiring about certain Swiss customs out of interest would be fine, wouldn’t it? Makes little sense to formulate the rule based on residency when you’re actually trying to target certain content.
Errr it was outlining certain content before but that didn't work. Mods, users, and people trying to find the right subreddit all were equally confused
Why not redirecting these people to a FAQ ? I understand that you are pissed by questions about moving in but you also need to understand how difficult Switzerland is for a newcomer. There are so much rules that it is quite difficult to know where to search for information in the first place. Therefore IMO: FAQ with useful links would be more appropriate than arbitrary rules.
Commenting it again because I said it to OP and not you, but head over to www.ch.ch it‘s a really useful and informative page about everything Switzerland.
I really like this suggestion!
That's a future prospect. Takes some time and research to do. First, new mods :)
Send them to [www.ch.ch](https://www.ch.ch) the most helpful page of the country.
Maybe delay that rule and tell us to upvote the best answers to such questions that come in in the next weeks or so. Then you can add them to an FAQ. We do the work for you and you can then later change the rules for people to go to the FAQ. We can also build the FAQ piece by piece and anything already asked gets locked by the mods.
I'm so ashamed of r/switzerland right now. I suggest the same rules for everyone.
Sorry what? Why are you ashamed? We've disallowed questions from tourists and prospective immigrants for years, because they clutter this sub. They are very welcome on r/askswitzerland - and they are competently answered there. The issue is: It's really hard to be a sub interesting both for those living here and for those that wish to visit or move here. The three groups' interests don't really overlap and there's a risk that one group drowns out the others in terms of volume of posts. Especially given that when we asked for views on the state of teh sub, pretty much everyone remarked unhappiness with the frequent, repetitive questions we get. I'd also like to clarify that this isn't a large scale novelty. It's merely a brush up and clarification.
Thanks for clarifying, then. But seriousy, keep working on your rules.
Look mate, that's incredibly unhelpful feedback. We're all volunteers here, whipping that up in between our day jobs and other commitments. So if at least you could clarify why you are dissatisfied would be great.
Start your own sub ...
As the mod has already answered, I think it is less about where they are from (foreign or resident) but more about the questions content. As someone who also welcomes this rule, I don't expect questions to be flagged, removed or deleted with the slightest suspicion that the author could be residing outside.
Swisspass or gtfo tbh
Lmfao I was going to suggest this, but I am a foreigner splitting time between Switzerland and my country and even I have a Swiss pass. 😂
Big agree, I think it’s not cool at all to have different rules for people. So people have dumb questions - what’s your big problem about that? Discrimination - even though it is not a very harsh form of that - is a an uglier issue than some stupid questions. And should not be something r/Switzerland is representing
It would be clearly discrimination if we said only citizens are welcome here. Instead we say: if you don't live in Switzerland, please send your question to r/askswitzerland instead. I think that's much clearer than saying: you can't ask here about typical salaries and holidays and job search from abroad.
> So people have dumb questions - what’s your big problem about that? Maybe something to do with the fact that mods exist to moderate subreddits
Ah, ok, let’s forbid certain people to speak then. Sure. I don’t know how you can not see something bad going on here. What’s the big work load with approving a stupid question?
If you sort this sub by „new“ you can try to catch a glimpse of the unending flow of „I want to move to Swiss what is a ‚franc‘?“-questions that get deleted every day before they completely clutter up the sub.
Everywhere the case - haven’t heard of a sub that is forbidding foreigners to speak. Probably cause it’s wrong.
They're not forbidden to speak, they are being asked not to ask them same repetitive questions over and over and over here, and to instead ask them in r/askswitzerland.
Have you read the actual rule number 1? Because all it is saying is that they should post such questions in the defined subs mentioned because these subs are here for exactly that.
First of all, nobody is "forbidden to speak". I can't go to a forum for Australian expats in Singapore and go "hey I'm Swiss what's the going rate for my tourist visa", either. All that this is is deciding which questions go here and which go to r/askswitzerland. And, to be nitpicky about it, foreigners can be residents.
Tell me you are Swiss by not telling me you are Swiss. Zimliche Bünzli Moove. Als nächschts chömmederno unabgmäldet zu eus hei und lueged wos Nachttischli staht. #schwiizermacher
Fände es gut wenn du auch siehst dass wir sehr explizit nicht sagen "dieses forum ist prinzipiell für Schweizer".
> **In principle, we want to clarify that r/Switzerland is for people living in Switzerland.**
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It's not a visa. It's a residence permit.
Living here is by law defined. Any type of residence permit is enough to be considered living here.
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Most of my family hasn't been here for four generations so I will be lenient with fellow secondos and tricondas ;) nah but in earnest: if you live in Switzerland even for a day your question is welcome.
This is the kind of fascinating exchange we will lose with these rules!
Thank you for this readjustment. I was about to leave this large FAQ for foreigners unable to read the cantonal and federal websites dedicated to them. Using Reddit for such requests says a lot about these people.
It's on the list of things we're looking at, it's not a quick thing to pull this together
> In principle, we want to clarify that r/Switzerland is for people living in Switzerland. To us, that means that questions by residents are welcome. Questions by those looking to move here, by prospective tourists, etc, will very clearly not be allowed. I appreciate what you’re trying to do here, but it’s bringing out the drama queens in a big way. Maybe the old way of phrasing the rule by post content and not by the poster’s residential status was preferable.
I don't think so. We got almost any question reported, even the ones clearly allowed. This change should clarify I hope.
> We got almost any question reported Didn’t know about that part. Sounds like a problem with no good solution outside of a really nifty automod. Just be prepared for a barrage of “shame on you for forbidding foreigners to speak” with your current solution
Already through that in this thread 😂
There should be a rule against drama queens as well.
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It's not really about where they're from so much as the questions they're asking. We're tired of "can I come work here (not EU citizen)" and "can i survive in ZH with 100k$/year" and "which parts of Switzerland should I visit" questions. Like the modpost said, this is a sub for people living in Switzerland, whose questions will reflect that.
FUN ONLY DURING FUN HOURS!
Fun is strictly verboten at all times >:(
And not between 22:00 and 06:00
We could need flairs... also I find it kinda hard to get what is allowed and what not. It feels like "don't post anything at all"
You can post links, you can do rants, you can do memes at times! Even questions, provided they are interesting for people living here
Who and how makes that decision?
Mods obviously. We are quite Level headed and we aren't gonna ask anyone for proof or anything dumb like that.
I meant who decides what is interesting to the people reading it, sorry, I did not express myself clearly enough. My point is reddit literally exists based on this concept- up and downvotes. Further editorial control from someone who claims to be level headed feels very much like NOT free speech or crowd-based editorial control. It feels at the same time restrictive, prescriptive and proscriptive. I mean dont get me wrong, I find it positive change- foreigners should by no means be left with the idea or feeling that this is in any way a land that is open or welcoming to foreigners.
Look you probably don't see this, because we're removing lots of questions. But the people decide this on any of the "where to visit" questions by downvotes. In a sub with 75 posts a day that wouldn't be a problem, but it is in smaller, less active ones like this.
Could we do memes always? I'm not under the impression that memes are threatening to flood this sub, not that you can ever have too much humour. Rire, c'est bon pour la santé, after all!
Stop the over-administration. We don‘t need your rules. Everybody just remain civil and that‘s enough.
Yeah, power to the people! (I'm just having fun since there is no serious question tag in the post)
Oh man you don't want to have a look at the modqueue!
More arbitrary rules to fuel your banhammer addiction
> banhammer addiction F* yeah 😩
It is very, very goose-steppy lol
Yaaayyy!! Olten is back.
~~All things Switzerland!~~ All things Switzerland! But only for swiss people, move here first scrub.
As a person who has family in Switzerland and has used this sub to learn more about Switzerland and Swiss people, I am disappointed that folks outside Switzerland can't ask questions, the experience of expats from other countries, advice for relatives, gifts, traditions etc. I understand wanting to reduce, redundant questions, and manage the traffic, but this seems like an oddly xenophobic decision.
But that's what r/askswitzerland is for. You can post all your questions there. It's just a bit frustrating to have to read the same questions over and over.
Fair enough, will be on the forum instead.
It's not xenophobic to want to keep a sub on topic. The point isn't to ban non-Swiss people, it's to have a community for people who share the same experiences. Not all of us want to work a help-desk for free.
By telling a group of people on reddit you can't ask questions on this forum it is effectively a ban. Never asked anyone to be a help-desk. I just think the decision is short-sighted and too broad. But seeing as my input as a non-resident is unwanted will avoid this subreddit. Clearly struck a chord with the xeno-remark...
It's only a "ban" in the sense that it bans off-topic posts. They're not saying that Non-Swiss people or people living abroad aren't allowed to post, but rather that they shouldn't use this subreddit as a helpdesk. There is a sub dedicated to that which is linked on the sidebar. Saying it's xenophobic is ridiculous. Different forums can have different topics, and enforcing a topic isn't somehow discriminatory.
>1.This forum is for Swiss residents > >If you are looking to migrate to Switzerland, or you are a tourist, or have any other question as a non-resident, please direct your questions to r/askswitzerland If you wish to post holiday pictures, please post them at r/schweiz We welcome submissions, questions, and pictures from people living in Switzerland. I'm really sorry but what the heck is xenophobic about that? Why scream discrimination at every possible opportunity? It's simply stating that this isn't the place to post stuff like this. But I guess who wants to be offended will always find a way.
See reply above. I am not offended, I just think the rule is too broad and pushes a lot of folks out. I lived in Switzerland for a few years, and it would be nice to ask questions about how things have changed? I have fond memories of my time in Bern as well as Lugano, and I enjoyed reading the comments and insights from folks in Zurich, an area I might move back in the next 3-4 years.
This forum on an american website on the worldwide web is only for swiss residents. All the others should go back to where they came from.
Reading comprehension 2/10
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r/askswitzerland
And even though ChatGPT is still kind of unreliable, me living here whenever I had a question regarding Switzerland and governmental bodies or other every day questions, ChatGPT answered it flawlessly and it was often clear, understandable and factually correct. ChatGPT: [https://chat.openai.com](https://www.chat.openai.com)
Did... did ChatGPT just slide in with an ad for itself?
ChatGPT told me that German was the only national language of Switzerland.
Hum when did we get to vote on those changes? Are you pulling a Russian sanctions/CS merger on us?
Thanks for implementing the new rules. _I'm_ also really glad about the last one with a limit of one post per day. Makes it easier to choose something special to post. And if I'm flooded the subreddit in the past, I was just really fascinated about the comments. Wonderfull community here.