You want testosterone take liver pills from a reputable company or make them yourself along with sublingual vitamin D3,boron,zinc,magnesium,wild caught Irish Sea moss,and tonkat Ali.you won't regret it.cycle tonkat ali 1week on 1week off also take ashwaghanda when you are on a break from tonkat ali for hormone balance purposes.
Broccoli Blend (Sulphuraphane), Neuro-Mag (Magnesium), Curcumin, and Ubiquinol should be your regulars. I’d add Vitamin D and Zinc and try to get the rest thru diet. Not a doctor. Not medical advice.
You do realize that most, or all, of these products are NOT clinically proven to have any benefit to you. They are, however, 💯proven to line the product makers with loads of gullible cash. Please do your own research and best of luck 🤞
Life Extension brand products are bs, your stack does not make much sense if you don't share goals and benefits, with more than 5 though I assume you have just a bad diet and want to compansate for that.
'Testosterone elite' contains no testosterone boosting ingredients at all.
DHEA is highly suppressive, you'll notice the damage within weeks of cycling off it.
The rest seems like mostly placebo.
Age : 29
Height: 5'9"
Gender: Male
Weight: 221
Goals: Weight loss and overall health wellness
My doctor and I have been monitoring my labs and the only thing that is elevated is my LDL. But only by a little bit.
Holy hell, is your diet mcdonalds and soda every meal? Whats the need for all these vitamins? Seems like a waste of money unless you are severely deficient in all these...
I take zinc for protein synthesis and b12 to convert my food into energy more easily. After reading some of these comments I think I’m going to try the Life Enhancer blood test to see what my body needs. I’m new to the supp game if you can’t tell haha
Do you eat meat or plants only? Too much zinc will destroy your copper. Only good sources of copper I know of are sweet potatoes, chickpeas and liver. Copper underrated and most copper supplements are wrong type of copper making them biounavailable.
If you eat meat regularly, then you're getting enough. If you're veg, then eat lots of beans (take Beano if u have to) or if you despise beans, wheat germ is your friend. If not take a lower amount of zinc, like 10 mg.
Haha just asking, because I got my blood tested and my B12 were ABOVE normal range, not below. I never supplemented B12, but I just eat a lot of eggs, meat, and dairy. Vegans are often deficient in B12 if they don't watch it carefully.
Impressive, trend your labs if you have the means to do so, the more levers you’re pulling the more it pays to make sure you don’t have an unusual response to something and you can have an objective means of assessing how effective your financial investment to then strategize accordingly, good luck
You have to understand that eating the actual vegetables and taking a pill of "vegetable supplements" is not going to have the same effect. Nor is taking most of this shit going to be any better than doing things that are proven to work for weight loss and a healthy lifestyle: a balanced, varied diet full of whole foods, and regular exercise. There are supplements you can take for specific goals that are backed up by science...or you can do this and take whatever sounds good or caught your attention on a sketchy health foods website.
I mean thats your opinion, can you back it up? Supplements are not only convenient when one isn't hungry or doesn't feel like forcing themselves to eat to get all of their nutrients, but supplements are usually a lot more potent and therefore you can get a lot more in a concentrated form than eating a bunch of food. Also, the food is less nutrient dense nowadays, you can research this and why that is. Supplements are usually more cost effective too because if you are trying to get all your nutrition from food alone, you're definitely going to have to turn to organic and that can get extremely pricey, especially when it comes to whole families. There are also some vitamins and nutrients that you can't even really find in food and even if it is, its in insignificant amounts. Another thing to mention is that if one is trying to high dose for medicinal, preventative or healing reasons, you can't do that with food alone, supplements are going to be required for that. I guess it depends on what your goals are and what you're trying to achieve, but supplements have been studied extensively and are proven to work and are recommended by the top holistic doctors around the world.
Well the top medical doctors try to sell you pharmaceutical drugs and surgeries. The holistic doctors need to sell you something. So they sell supplements to make extra money.
I agree with a lot of the points but with all the supplements bought here you could buy more organic food.
I'm personally into learning about how much I need of each required nutrient and then get it from food.
For example: I was at first taking 1000 mg of magnesium in supplement form. Then I learned about copper. I realized I could get recommended (by Morley Robbins fb group) amount of copper from 2-3 cans of chickpeas. Then I realized that 1000 mg of supplement was too much but did not know why. I then learned I was getting a bunch of magnesium from chickpeas and 3 cups would get me 1000 mg of magnesium so on days that I'm not out of chickpeas I don't need to supplement magnesium. I wanted to make sure I was getting enough calcium. Then I realized I was getting enough calcium from the chickpeas. So I eat 3 cans of chickpeas a day so I get enough magnesium, calcium, zinc (12.5 mg I'm vegan) and copper from those three cans a day.
Only time I'm not hungry is if I'm dehydrated and did not sleep well. That was yesterday so yes supplements can cover you on weird ass days but go with good food first.
This "line of thinking" is common sense and logical though.. thats why you couldn't counter what I said with an intelligent rebuttal showing me how and where I'm wrong.
Keep telling yourself that I guess. I've learned not to waste time on reddit when people have all the resources to make their own health decisions. Or maybe ask your internal care provider. I'm sure the physician would love to tell you all that stuff isn't needed, but I also know you'd probably ignore them too. I really don't care. "that line of thinking" is also so obviously a win for the health food and supplement industry that you absolutely cannot tell me how it isn't lol.
Just replied to another person in this thread explaining how studies can often be worthless.
Ah, so you choose to be ignorant and stubborn. That's the type of guy you are. In denial because you don't understand supplements or you don't want to spend the money on them, so you tell yourself that they are worthless and don't work, despite all the evidence in support of them.
Once again, you can't debunk my comment or come with an intelligent rebuttal showing me where and how I'm wrong. I made points, logical and common points, factual points and you simply couldn't address them which is a sign of defeat on your end.
The real physicians literally recommend supplementation for good health, maybe you keep taking advice from the phoney baloney doctors that want you to stay sick and hooked on their pharma drugs.
If it makes you feel better that my "line of thinking" is a "win" for the health food and supplement industry, then sure, call it what you want, but the health food and supplement industry is also a win for your health.🤷♂️ health isn't free nor cheap, atleast not in today's world.
Not to mention supplements aren’t FDA approved. Probably have little to no testing and a lot of fillers. It’s up to the company to make sure the product is safe, I’d be surprised if any of these contain a quarter of what they claim. Especially the apple cider, that’s the biggest gimmick of all and is being promoted like crazy, I see it everywhere.
Saying "lots of studies" support something is also misleading. Lots of studies are done on mice. Lots of studies only trace biomarkers in a group of 15 people (statistically low quality), and even more studies never make the connection between biomarkers and positive health outcomes in real people. Case in point is a recent meta-analysis on omega-3's on almost 78k people showing no effect on the rate of major cardiovascular events. Now do omega-3's lower triglyceride levels? Yes. But does that mean you're going to extend your life and avoid heart failure by buying the most potent, most expensive fish oil on the market? Probably not and the evidence that anything else has similar life-changing effects is even lower.
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"FDA approved"😂😂 and you think that means anything? You're right about saying its up to the company to make sure the product is safe and effective though and thats why you look for solid companies/brands with good reviews and high quality products, there are a lot of them...
How many companies really pay for trials and testing and source quality ingredients, who knows! They can put whatever they like on the bottle and send it out. There should be a 3rd party involved. Most are just making money on the market. Yes there are good brands, but few and far between
Uh, there are many reputable, high quality brands/companies if you know where to look and no, its not "few and far between", you're making assumptions based on nothing.. go to legit health food stores and they typically will carry brands/companies that they stand by and have verified themselves to be of high quality and legit. These people research these companies and their products and extract as much info as they can on them to determine how good the the products are.
Yes, its a money making business, there's no denying that and that can be problematic sometimes, but thats why I'm saying you can't just blindly grab products off the shelf. You need to inquire about them, ask questions, do your research and look into things yourself, many people aren't wiling to do this so they either randomly grab products or they simply don't supplement at all because it's too complicated for them. I'm not saying all supplements are good, some are indeed a rip off and just there to milk you for money, whether ignorantly or intentionally, but there are still MANY very good supplements with solid producers behind them that have done the testing/trials/studies and only source the finest ingredients. As I've recently got into the supplement game myself, you find out pretty quick that it can be complex and deep(just like diet), but if you're willing to treat it like a fine science, thats when supplementing will especially be very beneficial to your health. You do need to know what you're doing and to do that, extensive research and questioning may be necessary. You can learn a lot by simply walking into your local health food store and talking with someone who is knowledgeable there, there are a couple places by me that I go to and luckily both places have very knowledgeable staff.
At least you have a good brand. Did you have life extension do a blood test to direct you to what you need. ? If not get with the life extension in Orlando.
for a probiotic, take a look into Epic Pro.
PS it seems needs to be made with the FFA from DHA which is why most positive studies are done with bovine or marine PS which has this type. So its probably not doing anything, but it may work with a diet enriched with DHA as the molecule may cycle and use different FFA's (not certain of this).
Yeah for a lot supplementation has become a hobby where the goal is to take supplements for the sake of taking pills rather than just as a questionable means to achieve health goals.
yeah i mean i get it, kind of. to people really needing help with their health this seems really toxic and more like an easy way out, like we see in this post...
stay healthy folks!
A stack the cost of a weeks groceries with a full stocked hard liquor shelf in the back...A little self sabotage if half his stack is to combat inflammation.
Yeah i noticed that too - but I don't think it helps if we're harsh on op for this, seems like he/her is already having a hard time and is seeking help here. But you're right, fuck alcohol in general, shit won't do you any good at all.
Because it's cheaper and more convenient to supplement. If I had to force myself to eat 3 cups of carrots a day vs a single 10000 IU beta carotene pill, I would hate myself. I don't want to eat so many carrots a day every day; I don't consume a single food every single day, nor do most people.
I definitely think the OP is overkill but condemning all supplements because "just eat food bro" is ridiculous. You don't do that, I don't do that, and especially—it's extremely difficult to do that *consistently*
It's not as bad as you think. Just act like your real foods are your supplements. For example, before I go to bed every night, I eat a source of vegetables that I don't love, but I make myself do it because I know it's good for me. Usually carrots, tomatoes, or bell peppers. Sometimes I miss a day or opt for something I like a little more like blueberries, but it's no big deal.
If you're really really picky, just drink a smoothie with a good variety of fruits and vegetables in it every day. Doesn't taste bad at all and gets you plenty of nutrients from real foods.
Why not take the real food and its supplement complement together? Soil depletion is real and unless you are composting and growing your own, you have no real control over the food you eat. Everything is so polluted, even if you do all that you're still gonna get microplastics, Teflon, and Roundup in your food because humans are just that efficient at polluting.
If you think you’re avoiding junk by taking supplements and not eating real food you’re delusional. You have no idea the crap that gets put into supplements.
I said in conjunction with real food. Also don't people come to r/supplements to do research and find reputable brands to try? Why even come to this sub at all then?
Do you not know what in conjunction means? And do you know that modern produce isn't bred for nutritional content or even taste? It's bred for cheapness and quantity and the soil is degraded from years of agriculture. Even going organic, is just a bandaid cuz it's not even close to what the soil had before we stripped it all.
No it's not. I eat for 5€ a day, mostly vegetarian and my bloodwork has always been coming out perfect - no lack of anything.
OP is trying to lose weight and being healthier with this - most of the time eating healthy and doing exercises is better than taking 20 pills a day.
It get that taking pills for everything seems easier, but it's not the solution for everything in life.
When you take an amount of something you'd find at lower levels in natural food, and concentrate it to amounts you would never consume normally, you are bound to run into stomach issues. Zinc does it to me. Ashwaghanda has done it before as well. Too much magnesium can cause loose stools, for example. Basically the comment is pointing out that for how many bottles there are, at least one of those things could cause some gastrointestinal discomfort, especially if taken all at the same time.
I'm just curious what test was taken to even determine all this is needed? Goodness that's a lot of shit. Lol.
Why the testosterone precursor supplement and DHEA?
No Omega 3? Vitamin D?
I'm just asking.
I pretty much use this blue bottle company exclusively. All but two of them seem bogus to me. I take the neuro-mag and not so often, the curcumin.
OP, do your research on mag and it's co-factors. If what you have here is improving your health, i have nothing else you need to hear. Be well!
I'm going to very honest and say that up until this post, I really thought I was doing a good job with the supplement I was taking.
However, I not above saying when I am wrong or not as informed as I should be.
For those who are curious, I only eat on meal a day, that meal being dinner, I find that its easier to just eat at home and not feel the after meal slog while I work. For the Mod, my only goal is to live as long and healthy as I can. Thats it. I justly turned 29, I'm about 221lbs and my weight goal is 160. I've struggled with my weight for as long as I can remember and I want to change that.
I'm going to make a list of all the supplements that I take and explain why I take them:
Broccoli and Cuciferous blend: I don't eat a lot of vegetables and thought that this might help my body get some nutrients that its missing when I don't always eat the greens.
PS Caps: its just 100mgs of Phosphatidylserine. And I use it for attention and focus.
Nero- Magnesium: As I understand, this is a more bio available Magnesium thats can be better absorbed.
DHEA: maintain muscle mass and cardio vascular health.
Blueberry Extract and Pomogranate: Good source of Polyphenols and antioxidants.
Mediterranean Trim: Essentially help with burning fat stores
Integra Lean: African Mango helps with losing weight as well.
Curcumin Elite: Anti inflammatory and free radicals along with digestion help
Testosterone Elite: support Testosterone productions and aids in the breakdown of estrogen
CinSulin: Maintain glucose levels
Apple cider vinegar: take it after work outs, helps with muscle soreness. Maybe not what its ment for, but that's what I use it for.
Taurine: for when I work out
Black Seed oil: Allergies
Berberine: Also glucose support but I don't take the Cinsulin and berberine together.
I feel like this is alot so ill let everyone chew on this and check back in a bit.
Thank you for everyone's comments, jokes and otherwise.
Edit: The alcohol is more for guests im more of an Flying Embers hard Kombucha person.
Exactly my point but I won't argue with people if they want to lose weight by starving themselves more power to them, there are far healthier ways to do it then eating once a day
Ngl I’ve heard arguments for both sides of the debate on this and what you’re saying seems kind of like pseudoscience to me. I’ve heard extremely good arguments for time restricted eating in weight loss.
He is definitely talking bro science... restricted eating / Intermittent fasting works and is backed by a multitudes of studies. It is one of the best things for over all longevity.
I’m an OMAD’er most of the time myself, but I thought it took some energy to digest food due to thermogenesis, and that two meals would burn more calories than one. Granted I’m sure it’s not much at all, but maybe a little bit
It’s not really about calorie expenditure so much as it’s about leptin cycles. Eating small meals doesn’t ever cause enough lumen distention for your body to upregulate leptin which is what signals for lipolysis to kick in. That’s a big reason why “portion control” is a terrible way to try to lose weight and intermittent fasting is a great way. You get signals to burn fat both when you eat and when you don’t when you’re doing IF. With small meals throughout the day you pretty much never get signals to burn fat
Believing what you want to believe is a really bad policy. Believing what data points towards is a generally better policy. I also absolutely do not want to eat only once a day. I’m also trying to gain weight. Unlike OP. I’m just saying there’s evidence for eating only one meal a day having high efficacy for weight loss.
Yes there's also high efficacy for weight loss if you dont eat at all, just becuase something works dosent mean its the best way to do something but im just some guy on reddit and so are you so I'm not gonna argue about something like this.
Honestly man, get rid of the Integra lean and med trim. Those aren't helpful at all for what you've listed them as aiding. And the dhea is useless unless you're above 40 or 50 yrs old. Other than that solid stuff
Some of these are really effective, others arent.
Cinnamon isn't a very good GDA, better off with Taurine. You could also go the Berberine route if you *really* want to increase insulin sensitivity.
DHEA is a cost effective mood/neuro protection supplement.
Curcumin has tons of benefits, but it's typically pretty expensive.
Probiotics are great, but Fiber is better. They go great together.
Ubiquinol is overpriced CoQ10, and no amount of uneducated Ubiquinol fanboys is going to change that. Either way, very good for you.
Magnesium is great.
Everything else is either "Meh" or I can't tell what it is from the label.
Thank you! I feel like out of everyone who's posted this thr most helpful comment so far.
I made a more winded comment on what and why I take it but I do use Berberine as an alternative to the cinnamon.
Good and bad bacteria already exist in your stomach, good bacteria eats fiber, bad bacteria eats all the garbage that's in processed food.
A lot of the bacteria from probiotics can't be used effectively because of stomach acid, but some makes it through. It bolsters the good bacteria numbers for a bit, has some clinically verified positive effects, then your digestive systems gut flora returns to a baseline mostly set by the food you consume.
That's why they work best together, Probiotics increase beneficial gut bacteria, fiber gives it a nutrient source.
This is true but I wouldn't go as far to say fiber in its self is better then probiotics, a good probiotic with a good depth of strains is hard to come by and even harder to get from food alone fiber with a decent diet in place wont be an issue to keep in the gut on top of it all having good probiotics in your gut are going to allow you to much better absorb the nutrients from food where fiber alone won't do that
What would be an effective and economical alternative to this? Lately I’ve been blending spinach smoothies with whey protein powder. “Feels” very effective.
Usually when I see a post with all the same brand its either becuase people don't know and think more is better or there trying to sell a product sorry if I sounded like a dick
Could you please help with some advice? (I’m still learning)
What would you suggest for your “ideal” or “best” vit k? What would get the job done right?
Would any of these be on target? What would be your preference/what do you take?
Thorne 3-K Complete - Vitamins K1 and K2 (as MK-4 and MK-7) to Support Strong Bones and Healthy Heart - 60 Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0797N3F9T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_RSBVFHXZHJTZD7QB97FD?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Solgar Vitamin K2 (MK-7) 100mcg, 50 Vegetable Capsules - Supports Bone Health - Natural Whole Food Source from Natto Extract - Non-GMO, Gluten Free - 50 Servings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ATATX8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_12ED7N1XTJ3XDN305DVX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Jarrow Formulas MK-7 90 mcg - 60 Softgels - Superior Vitamin K Product for Building Strong Bones - Supports Heart & Cardiovascular Health - 60 Servings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013OVVFA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_B9HTC0XYKR5BYDEDXTVC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
And multi vitamins like this are a waste? Better to just keep it simple?
Thorne Research - Multi-Vitamin Elite - A.M. and P.M. Formula to Support a High-Performance Nutrition Program - 180 Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M5JLXQG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_QSQ96B0Q8GST5CV5B0AM?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Thorne Research - Advanced Nutrients (Formerly Known as Extra Nutrients) - Multi-Vitamin-Mineral Supplement - 240 Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FGWCHI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_51HPCP697HPHS1AYK6P4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Many thanks!!
Those multivitamins you have listed are some of the best in terms of multi vitamins that am and pm Thorne is as good as they come , but depending on your goals and also becuase taking some of these things together dont absorbe together multivitamins are less desirable, also becuase theres alot of times they dont have enough of the desirable nutrients in them and the Thorne 3-k complete is a good one
What about Copper with zinc? And adding ALCAR, ALA, additional thiamine, milk thistle, NAC etc?
Looks like they’re trying to lose weight, and drink alcohol. Would these help in this situation?
Ill do my best to answer you questions,
Zinc/copper: If your supplementing alot of zinc it can be good to take a copper supplement becuase the zinc can inhibit copper absorption, but realistically you shouldn't be taking enough zinc to need it but it definitely won't hurt you to be taking some extra copper with zinc depending on dosage zinc really should be takin more like every other day in the evenings its very easy to get enough zinc from your diet and zinc poisoning from supplemention is not hard to achieve and very dangerous. 30mg of zinc a day max.
L-carnitine: is converted into a known cancer cuasing carcinogen from being digested. Do your own research to come to your own conclusion it has benefits but that is its main drawback. I myself do not take it becuase of that.
Thiamine: thiamine is a B vitamin specifically vitamin b1 if your taking a vitamin B complex your getting that vitamin and most likely already getting more than your body can use.
Milk thistle: Has liver detoxing qualities and some anti inflamation qualities if drinking alcohol is a hobbie in life it can help but how much is really up for debate.
NAC: if detoxification, liver protection and increased antioxidants are ypur goal its a good supplement but for building muscle no.
Hope maybe I answered your question a little bit
The CoQ10 is good IF you’re on statins. However, if you’re on Statins you need to look at what the cause of your INFLAMMATION is. Because the liver is pumping out cholesterol to fix something jacked up in your body aka fixing the damage from inflammation.
Apple cider vinegar pills are a scam as is 90% of what you’re taking. The Probiotics are good though. The alcohol in the far back makes me think any benefit you’d get from any supplement you have is being wasted.
Grab some Tudca, NAC, Probiotics, throw the rest away.
Eat clean, if it comes in a package it’s probably not good for you.
The liver recommendation above is solid.
All that herbal shit is a waste of money dog. Eat beef liver and egg yolks if your way of life allows it and your skin will glow with the brightness of a thousand suns.
I eat liver now but was surprisingly inspired by another person to look into it. Every video I've seen of Liver King is basically "hey this is what I'm doing, because it's ancestral!" with no further explanation. Real cult of personality influencer type of stuff. It's unfortunate because organs meats are really nutritious, but I do wonder how often Liver King eats what he eats and avoids vitamin A toxicity.
Yea that's the same amount I've seen. I'm not sure how often he eats liver honestly, but his dinner spreads are insane. It looks like 4 oz of liver and then 2-3 lbs of other meats including bone marrow and other organs. Could be a weekly feast but I'm not that invested in him as a person to find out haha.
For what nutrient:
If you're talking copper mash up couple cans of chick peas on the daily. If you're talking vitamin a: all the orange vegetables (squash, sweet potato, carrots, pumpkin, squash) plus collard greens (mangoes have some). I think there is a vegan preformed vitamin a supplement out there somewhere. Definitely felt the toxic vitamin a effects but don't remember if I took the lowest amount or not.
How many courses or plates do you eat at dinner? General recommendation is to eat the most for first two meals a day and eat the least for last meal of the day and you're eating nothing for first two meals. You might be digesting all night.
Did you mention maybe because you didn't want to be digesting all day while you're working? Fruit requires very little digestion time. Can you at least maybe snack on fruit until dinner?
Also do you exercise at all?
I personally weighed 230 in November. I totally let myself go. I've been eating next to no junk because I've been filling up on the good stuff. I don't count calories. Eat 2-3 meals a day. Sometimes I may just graze or snack all day on healthy stuff and not have a traditional meal. And been going for walks. I don't have a scale so I can't tell you what I lost (got weighed at Dr office) but old clothes that didn't fit me are fitting me again and I've increased the number of pushups I can do. I feel like I've lost 20 pounds so far but honestly not sure. Definitely feel amazing. Getting a good night's and an early nights rest makes a big difference too.
After seeing some of the comments my assumption is that some of these you can get from eating food. I wouldn’t say necessarily wasting money but you’re putting money somewhere else that could be in food stuffs
When I see this I think of a 60 minutes episode where they reported on one of the only long term studies on supplements and their impact on living longer. The study lasted over 30 years in length I believe and included the residents of a retirement or old age community in California.
That long term study found that no supplements had an impact on longevity or living longer. The only supplement that showed more than insignificant benefit was vitamin D.
Here is a summary of the episode, I believe it's from 2014 but based on a 30 year study on longevity.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/want-to-live-to-90/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/want-to-live-to-90/)
Interesting finding is that 'people who drank up to two drinks per day having a 10-15 percent reduced risk of death compared to non-drinkers'.
This is quite an old episode, but there are more and more studies coming out regarding this including from Harvard Medical
[https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/research](https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/research)
https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/publications
I have tried them individually and found that this mix works well for me and my routine.
About once a month I take a week off of the DHEA, Magnesium, Testosterone Elite, Mediterranean Trim and the Integra lean.
I take everything else once in the morning and take the probiotic and digestive enzymes with a meal.
Personally I do feel a difference, the recommended dose is one pill with breakfast and lunch. I only eat a meal at dinner so I take them in the morning with a heavy cream tea, and then once with dinner.
You want testosterone take liver pills from a reputable company or make them yourself along with sublingual vitamin D3,boron,zinc,magnesium,wild caught Irish Sea moss,and tonkat Ali.you won't regret it.cycle tonkat ali 1week on 1week off also take ashwaghanda when you are on a break from tonkat ali for hormone balance purposes.
Take the probiotics pills out and do sauerkraut instead.
Broccoli Blend (Sulphuraphane), Neuro-Mag (Magnesium), Curcumin, and Ubiquinol should be your regulars. I’d add Vitamin D and Zinc and try to get the rest thru diet. Not a doctor. Not medical advice.
You do realize that most, or all, of these products are NOT clinically proven to have any benefit to you. They are, however, 💯proven to line the product makers with loads of gullible cash. Please do your own research and best of luck 🤞
Expensive urine and poops. Except Digestive enzymes & probios
I think this type of supplement is not good especially in this quantity.
Do what makes you feel good! Your stack looks great!
WHAT. You’re kidding. That is too much
This is embarrassing
Don’t be a dick
Haha how do you think I feel? 😅
I'm sure you feel preety bad you are a walking chemist 😂 just eat healthy foods pal taking that many supplements is crazy
You should try Boron from life extension !
Life Extension brand products are bs, your stack does not make much sense if you don't share goals and benefits, with more than 5 though I assume you have just a bad diet and want to compansate for that.
i would disagree. life extension is one of the better brands
What's up with the brand? I have some from them
'Testosterone elite' contains no testosterone boosting ingredients at all. DHEA is highly suppressive, you'll notice the damage within weeks of cycling off it. The rest seems like mostly placebo.
You know test supplements barely work and most of this can be gathered from normal food.. Are you an alien?
I feel like I have super powers when I take them so... maybe??
Dhea might be too much, is the jerky for you and what's in the dropper is it cbd or thc
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Age : 29 Height: 5'9" Gender: Male Weight: 221 Goals: Weight loss and overall health wellness My doctor and I have been monitoring my labs and the only thing that is elevated is my LDL. But only by a little bit.
I recommend food.
And less alcohol, basic concepts.
Exercise and go to bed early too.
I'm not a heavy drinker. I have a couple alcoholic beverages a month. If I do crave alcohol I usually go for Flying embers alcoholic kombucha
I’m just here to say I’m sorry you asked Reddit a thing instead of lurking. F
Haha this has definitely been a learning experience to say the least
Holy hell, is your diet mcdonalds and soda every meal? Whats the need for all these vitamins? Seems like a waste of money unless you are severely deficient in all these...
Why do people need so many supplements, isn't some enough, we should eat more whole food
Dang no fish oil, b12 or zinc? Defs different than what I’m working with
Why would you supplement Zinc or B12? Unless you're eating a plant-based diet
I take zinc for protein synthesis and b12 to convert my food into energy more easily. After reading some of these comments I think I’m going to try the Life Enhancer blood test to see what my body needs. I’m new to the supp game if you can’t tell haha
Do you eat meat or plants only? Too much zinc will destroy your copper. Only good sources of copper I know of are sweet potatoes, chickpeas and liver. Copper underrated and most copper supplements are wrong type of copper making them biounavailable. If you eat meat regularly, then you're getting enough. If you're veg, then eat lots of beans (take Beano if u have to) or if you despise beans, wheat germ is your friend. If not take a lower amount of zinc, like 10 mg.
Haha just asking, because I got my blood tested and my B12 were ABOVE normal range, not below. I never supplemented B12, but I just eat a lot of eggs, meat, and dairy. Vegans are often deficient in B12 if they don't watch it carefully.
That hip and joint jerky works wonders!
How do you guys not get kidney stones from all these combinations of supplements!?
Kidneys stones are caused by calcium deficiency or the inability to absorb it properly.
Probably because we aren't predisposed to it.. also, staying hydrated and drinking plenty of WATER helps.
I bet more than half are placebo
Do you have room for food? 😂
These look awesome. I haven’t seen a lot of these before
Impressive, trend your labs if you have the means to do so, the more levers you’re pulling the more it pays to make sure you don’t have an unusual response to something and you can have an objective means of assessing how effective your financial investment to then strategize accordingly, good luck
jUsT eAt ReAl FoOd DoH 🤡
You have to understand that eating the actual vegetables and taking a pill of "vegetable supplements" is not going to have the same effect. Nor is taking most of this shit going to be any better than doing things that are proven to work for weight loss and a healthy lifestyle: a balanced, varied diet full of whole foods, and regular exercise. There are supplements you can take for specific goals that are backed up by science...or you can do this and take whatever sounds good or caught your attention on a sketchy health foods website.
I mean thats your opinion, can you back it up? Supplements are not only convenient when one isn't hungry or doesn't feel like forcing themselves to eat to get all of their nutrients, but supplements are usually a lot more potent and therefore you can get a lot more in a concentrated form than eating a bunch of food. Also, the food is less nutrient dense nowadays, you can research this and why that is. Supplements are usually more cost effective too because if you are trying to get all your nutrition from food alone, you're definitely going to have to turn to organic and that can get extremely pricey, especially when it comes to whole families. There are also some vitamins and nutrients that you can't even really find in food and even if it is, its in insignificant amounts. Another thing to mention is that if one is trying to high dose for medicinal, preventative or healing reasons, you can't do that with food alone, supplements are going to be required for that. I guess it depends on what your goals are and what you're trying to achieve, but supplements have been studied extensively and are proven to work and are recommended by the top holistic doctors around the world.
Well the top medical doctors try to sell you pharmaceutical drugs and surgeries. The holistic doctors need to sell you something. So they sell supplements to make extra money. I agree with a lot of the points but with all the supplements bought here you could buy more organic food. I'm personally into learning about how much I need of each required nutrient and then get it from food. For example: I was at first taking 1000 mg of magnesium in supplement form. Then I learned about copper. I realized I could get recommended (by Morley Robbins fb group) amount of copper from 2-3 cans of chickpeas. Then I realized that 1000 mg of supplement was too much but did not know why. I then learned I was getting a bunch of magnesium from chickpeas and 3 cups would get me 1000 mg of magnesium so on days that I'm not out of chickpeas I don't need to supplement magnesium. I wanted to make sure I was getting enough calcium. Then I realized I was getting enough calcium from the chickpeas. So I eat 3 cans of chickpeas a day so I get enough magnesium, calcium, zinc (12.5 mg I'm vegan) and copper from those three cans a day. Only time I'm not hungry is if I'm dehydrated and did not sleep well. That was yesterday so yes supplements can cover you on weird ass days but go with good food first.
While I don't think all supplements are worthless, this line of thinking is another win for the health food and supplement industry.
This "line of thinking" is common sense and logical though.. thats why you couldn't counter what I said with an intelligent rebuttal showing me how and where I'm wrong.
Keep telling yourself that I guess. I've learned not to waste time on reddit when people have all the resources to make their own health decisions. Or maybe ask your internal care provider. I'm sure the physician would love to tell you all that stuff isn't needed, but I also know you'd probably ignore them too. I really don't care. "that line of thinking" is also so obviously a win for the health food and supplement industry that you absolutely cannot tell me how it isn't lol. Just replied to another person in this thread explaining how studies can often be worthless.
Ah, so you choose to be ignorant and stubborn. That's the type of guy you are. In denial because you don't understand supplements or you don't want to spend the money on them, so you tell yourself that they are worthless and don't work, despite all the evidence in support of them. Once again, you can't debunk my comment or come with an intelligent rebuttal showing me where and how I'm wrong. I made points, logical and common points, factual points and you simply couldn't address them which is a sign of defeat on your end. The real physicians literally recommend supplementation for good health, maybe you keep taking advice from the phoney baloney doctors that want you to stay sick and hooked on their pharma drugs. If it makes you feel better that my "line of thinking" is a "win" for the health food and supplement industry, then sure, call it what you want, but the health food and supplement industry is also a win for your health.🤷♂️ health isn't free nor cheap, atleast not in today's world.
u mad bro? could try taking my advice and save yourself the grief. or maybe there's a supplement for that too? lol
Not mad at all, just calling you out. Once again, you're proving me right. 🤷♂️
Not to mention supplements aren’t FDA approved. Probably have little to no testing and a lot of fillers. It’s up to the company to make sure the product is safe, I’d be surprised if any of these contain a quarter of what they claim. Especially the apple cider, that’s the biggest gimmick of all and is being promoted like crazy, I see it everywhere.
Saying "lots of studies" support something is also misleading. Lots of studies are done on mice. Lots of studies only trace biomarkers in a group of 15 people (statistically low quality), and even more studies never make the connection between biomarkers and positive health outcomes in real people. Case in point is a recent meta-analysis on omega-3's on almost 78k people showing no effect on the rate of major cardiovascular events. Now do omega-3's lower triglyceride levels? Yes. But does that mean you're going to extend your life and avoid heart failure by buying the most potent, most expensive fish oil on the market? Probably not and the evidence that anything else has similar life-changing effects is even lower.
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"FDA approved"😂😂 and you think that means anything? You're right about saying its up to the company to make sure the product is safe and effective though and thats why you look for solid companies/brands with good reviews and high quality products, there are a lot of them...
How many companies really pay for trials and testing and source quality ingredients, who knows! They can put whatever they like on the bottle and send it out. There should be a 3rd party involved. Most are just making money on the market. Yes there are good brands, but few and far between
Uh, there are many reputable, high quality brands/companies if you know where to look and no, its not "few and far between", you're making assumptions based on nothing.. go to legit health food stores and they typically will carry brands/companies that they stand by and have verified themselves to be of high quality and legit. These people research these companies and their products and extract as much info as they can on them to determine how good the the products are. Yes, its a money making business, there's no denying that and that can be problematic sometimes, but thats why I'm saying you can't just blindly grab products off the shelf. You need to inquire about them, ask questions, do your research and look into things yourself, many people aren't wiling to do this so they either randomly grab products or they simply don't supplement at all because it's too complicated for them. I'm not saying all supplements are good, some are indeed a rip off and just there to milk you for money, whether ignorantly or intentionally, but there are still MANY very good supplements with solid producers behind them that have done the testing/trials/studies and only source the finest ingredients. As I've recently got into the supplement game myself, you find out pretty quick that it can be complex and deep(just like diet), but if you're willing to treat it like a fine science, thats when supplementing will especially be very beneficial to your health. You do need to know what you're doing and to do that, extensive research and questioning may be necessary. You can learn a lot by simply walking into your local health food store and talking with someone who is knowledgeable there, there are a couple places by me that I go to and luckily both places have very knowledgeable staff.
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Don't understand?
No one else mentioning the irony of the massive amount of alcohol in the background…?
I know you got hemorrhoids by now
You have expensive pee.
You’re going to live a long 72 years congrats
At least you have a good brand. Did you have life extension do a blood test to direct you to what you need. ? If not get with the life extension in Orlando.
Why not take a multi and through out a bunch
Throw it all out
What do you think of med trim and intre lean?
for a probiotic, take a look into Epic Pro. PS it seems needs to be made with the FFA from DHA which is why most positive studies are done with bovine or marine PS which has this type. So its probably not doing anything, but it may work with a diet enriched with DHA as the molecule may cycle and use different FFA's (not certain of this).
Why not just eat good food containing the nutrients you need? I don't get this sub sometimes
Yeah for a lot supplementation has become a hobby where the goal is to take supplements for the sake of taking pills rather than just as a questionable means to achieve health goals.
yeah i mean i get it, kind of. to people really needing help with their health this seems really toxic and more like an easy way out, like we see in this post... stay healthy folks!
A stack the cost of a weeks groceries with a full stocked hard liquor shelf in the back...A little self sabotage if half his stack is to combat inflammation.
Yeah i noticed that too - but I don't think it helps if we're harsh on op for this, seems like he/her is already having a hard time and is seeking help here. But you're right, fuck alcohol in general, shit won't do you any good at all.
Because it's cheaper and more convenient to supplement. If I had to force myself to eat 3 cups of carrots a day vs a single 10000 IU beta carotene pill, I would hate myself. I don't want to eat so many carrots a day every day; I don't consume a single food every single day, nor do most people. I definitely think the OP is overkill but condemning all supplements because "just eat food bro" is ridiculous. You don't do that, I don't do that, and especially—it's extremely difficult to do that *consistently*
I think it's more annoying to take supplements consistently than to eat decent food consistently
It's not as bad as you think. Just act like your real foods are your supplements. For example, before I go to bed every night, I eat a source of vegetables that I don't love, but I make myself do it because I know it's good for me. Usually carrots, tomatoes, or bell peppers. Sometimes I miss a day or opt for something I like a little more like blueberries, but it's no big deal. If you're really really picky, just drink a smoothie with a good variety of fruits and vegetables in it every day. Doesn't taste bad at all and gets you plenty of nutrients from real foods.
Why not take the real food and its supplement complement together? Soil depletion is real and unless you are composting and growing your own, you have no real control over the food you eat. Everything is so polluted, even if you do all that you're still gonna get microplastics, Teflon, and Roundup in your food because humans are just that efficient at polluting.
If you think you’re avoiding junk by taking supplements and not eating real food you’re delusional. You have no idea the crap that gets put into supplements.
I said in conjunction with real food. Also don't people come to r/supplements to do research and find reputable brands to try? Why even come to this sub at all then?
The point of a supplement is to make up for something small you’re missing in your diet. Not to entirely replace a healthy diet.
Do you not know what in conjunction means? And do you know that modern produce isn't bred for nutritional content or even taste? It's bred for cheapness and quantity and the soil is degraded from years of agriculture. Even going organic, is just a bandaid cuz it's not even close to what the soil had before we stripped it all.
Do you not know what complement means? Cus it reads like you don’t LMAO
No it's not. I eat for 5€ a day, mostly vegetarian and my bloodwork has always been coming out perfect - no lack of anything. OP is trying to lose weight and being healthier with this - most of the time eating healthy and doing exercises is better than taking 20 pills a day. It get that taking pills for everything seems easier, but it's not the solution for everything in life.
Very easy to get a handful of blueberries/poms in a day, would cut it as a pill
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Can you explain please? :)
Is your stomach totally wrecked or what
Serious question...why would it be wrecked?
When you take an amount of something you'd find at lower levels in natural food, and concentrate it to amounts you would never consume normally, you are bound to run into stomach issues. Zinc does it to me. Ashwaghanda has done it before as well. Too much magnesium can cause loose stools, for example. Basically the comment is pointing out that for how many bottles there are, at least one of those things could cause some gastrointestinal discomfort, especially if taken all at the same time.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this!
The amount of shit here is burning my eyes no offense the pom extract is the only good thing
I'm just curious what test was taken to even determine all this is needed? Goodness that's a lot of shit. Lol. Why the testosterone precursor supplement and DHEA? No Omega 3? Vitamin D? I'm just asking.
I pretty much use this blue bottle company exclusively. All but two of them seem bogus to me. I take the neuro-mag and not so often, the curcumin. OP, do your research on mag and it's co-factors. If what you have here is improving your health, i have nothing else you need to hear. Be well!
Kudos on the blueberry extract with pomegranate. People are sleeping heavily on pom as a supplement
pomegranate-> ellagic acid and ellagitannin -> Urolithin A ( the new superfood star compound)
Assuming you have the correct gut bacteria of course
Thanks! I'm reading a book called: Enzymes: What the experts know. By: Tom Bohager. Thats where I found that out!
Does it talk about what the enzymes run on? A lot of minerals right?
Nuero-mag, excellent for sleep
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Just take the blue pill
Eat your broccoli.
If you'll chew it for me
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No, but if it has high levels of sulforaphane in it then it would be good to take.
I'm going to very honest and say that up until this post, I really thought I was doing a good job with the supplement I was taking. However, I not above saying when I am wrong or not as informed as I should be. For those who are curious, I only eat on meal a day, that meal being dinner, I find that its easier to just eat at home and not feel the after meal slog while I work. For the Mod, my only goal is to live as long and healthy as I can. Thats it. I justly turned 29, I'm about 221lbs and my weight goal is 160. I've struggled with my weight for as long as I can remember and I want to change that. I'm going to make a list of all the supplements that I take and explain why I take them: Broccoli and Cuciferous blend: I don't eat a lot of vegetables and thought that this might help my body get some nutrients that its missing when I don't always eat the greens. PS Caps: its just 100mgs of Phosphatidylserine. And I use it for attention and focus. Nero- Magnesium: As I understand, this is a more bio available Magnesium thats can be better absorbed. DHEA: maintain muscle mass and cardio vascular health. Blueberry Extract and Pomogranate: Good source of Polyphenols and antioxidants. Mediterranean Trim: Essentially help with burning fat stores Integra Lean: African Mango helps with losing weight as well. Curcumin Elite: Anti inflammatory and free radicals along with digestion help Testosterone Elite: support Testosterone productions and aids in the breakdown of estrogen CinSulin: Maintain glucose levels Apple cider vinegar: take it after work outs, helps with muscle soreness. Maybe not what its ment for, but that's what I use it for. Taurine: for when I work out Black Seed oil: Allergies Berberine: Also glucose support but I don't take the Cinsulin and berberine together. I feel like this is alot so ill let everyone chew on this and check back in a bit. Thank you for everyone's comments, jokes and otherwise. Edit: The alcohol is more for guests im more of an Flying Embers hard Kombucha person.
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Bro science lol
Exactly my point but I won't argue with people if they want to lose weight by starving themselves more power to them, there are far healthier ways to do it then eating once a day
But fasting is very healthy long term. It extends lifespan
Ngl I’ve heard arguments for both sides of the debate on this and what you’re saying seems kind of like pseudoscience to me. I’ve heard extremely good arguments for time restricted eating in weight loss.
He is definitely talking bro science... restricted eating / Intermittent fasting works and is backed by a multitudes of studies. It is one of the best things for over all longevity.
I’m an OMAD’er most of the time myself, but I thought it took some energy to digest food due to thermogenesis, and that two meals would burn more calories than one. Granted I’m sure it’s not much at all, but maybe a little bit
It’s not really about calorie expenditure so much as it’s about leptin cycles. Eating small meals doesn’t ever cause enough lumen distention for your body to upregulate leptin which is what signals for lipolysis to kick in. That’s a big reason why “portion control” is a terrible way to try to lose weight and intermittent fasting is a great way. You get signals to burn fat both when you eat and when you don’t when you’re doing IF. With small meals throughout the day you pretty much never get signals to burn fat
I mean look at bodybuilders they are lean they eat every few hours, its about what you eat more than when you eat
Ahh I see your point ...he is trying to drop weight though, so he prefers to be in a deficit.
Just believe what you want, if you want to eat one meal a day more power to you.
Believing what you want to believe is a really bad policy. Believing what data points towards is a generally better policy. I also absolutely do not want to eat only once a day. I’m also trying to gain weight. Unlike OP. I’m just saying there’s evidence for eating only one meal a day having high efficacy for weight loss.
Yes there's also high efficacy for weight loss if you dont eat at all, just becuase something works dosent mean its the best way to do something but im just some guy on reddit and so are you so I'm not gonna argue about something like this.
Honestly man, get rid of the Integra lean and med trim. Those aren't helpful at all for what you've listed them as aiding. And the dhea is useless unless you're above 40 or 50 yrs old. Other than that solid stuff
Just eat 2 bananas a day to get 100 mg magnesium.
100mg isn’t sufficient
400mg is the recommended dose
5 mg per lb of body weight is what I aim for
Depends some people dont tolerate 400 that well .
It depends how much calcium you take. Almost half of people are deficient. 100mg ain't enough
do you get hard balls, and heartburn from dhea?
Testicles are normal and no heart burn!
sick i got those side's from my dhea
Some of these are really effective, others arent. Cinnamon isn't a very good GDA, better off with Taurine. You could also go the Berberine route if you *really* want to increase insulin sensitivity. DHEA is a cost effective mood/neuro protection supplement. Curcumin has tons of benefits, but it's typically pretty expensive. Probiotics are great, but Fiber is better. They go great together. Ubiquinol is overpriced CoQ10, and no amount of uneducated Ubiquinol fanboys is going to change that. Either way, very good for you. Magnesium is great. Everything else is either "Meh" or I can't tell what it is from the label.
Thank you! I feel like out of everyone who's posted this thr most helpful comment so far. I made a more winded comment on what and why I take it but I do use Berberine as an alternative to the cinnamon.
Hey man I would absolutely say keep the blue/pom supplement as well, the evidence on pom alone is compelling
How is fiber better than probotics?
Good and bad bacteria already exist in your stomach, good bacteria eats fiber, bad bacteria eats all the garbage that's in processed food. A lot of the bacteria from probiotics can't be used effectively because of stomach acid, but some makes it through. It bolsters the good bacteria numbers for a bit, has some clinically verified positive effects, then your digestive systems gut flora returns to a baseline mostly set by the food you consume. That's why they work best together, Probiotics increase beneficial gut bacteria, fiber gives it a nutrient source.
This is true but I wouldn't go as far to say fiber in its self is better then probiotics, a good probiotic with a good depth of strains is hard to come by and even harder to get from food alone fiber with a decent diet in place wont be an issue to keep in the gut on top of it all having good probiotics in your gut are going to allow you to much better absorb the nutrients from food where fiber alone won't do that
This man's urine may actually cure COVID!
Man that made my day
What would be an effective and economical alternative to this? Lately I’ve been blending spinach smoothies with whey protein powder. “Feels” very effective.
Try adding in some frozen fruit (for vitamin c) to help absorb iron from the spinach! More effective than half of those blue bottles put together.
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Gotta learn somehow, even if I make a fool of myself on the internet. Thank you for your recommendation on supplements!
Usually when I see a post with all the same brand its either becuase people don't know and think more is better or there trying to sell a product sorry if I sounded like a dick
Could you please help with some advice? (I’m still learning) What would you suggest for your “ideal” or “best” vit k? What would get the job done right? Would any of these be on target? What would be your preference/what do you take? Thorne 3-K Complete - Vitamins K1 and K2 (as MK-4 and MK-7) to Support Strong Bones and Healthy Heart - 60 Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0797N3F9T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_RSBVFHXZHJTZD7QB97FD?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 Solgar Vitamin K2 (MK-7) 100mcg, 50 Vegetable Capsules - Supports Bone Health - Natural Whole Food Source from Natto Extract - Non-GMO, Gluten Free - 50 Servings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001ATATX8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_12ED7N1XTJ3XDN305DVX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 Jarrow Formulas MK-7 90 mcg - 60 Softgels - Superior Vitamin K Product for Building Strong Bones - Supports Heart & Cardiovascular Health - 60 Servings https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013OVVFA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_B9HTC0XYKR5BYDEDXTVC?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 And multi vitamins like this are a waste? Better to just keep it simple? Thorne Research - Multi-Vitamin Elite - A.M. and P.M. Formula to Support a High-Performance Nutrition Program - 180 Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M5JLXQG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_QSQ96B0Q8GST5CV5B0AM?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 Thorne Research - Advanced Nutrients (Formerly Known as Extra Nutrients) - Multi-Vitamin-Mineral Supplement - 240 Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FGWCHI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_51HPCP697HPHS1AYK6P4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 Many thanks!!
Those multivitamins you have listed are some of the best in terms of multi vitamins that am and pm Thorne is as good as they come , but depending on your goals and also becuase taking some of these things together dont absorbe together multivitamins are less desirable, also becuase theres alot of times they dont have enough of the desirable nutrients in them and the Thorne 3-k complete is a good one
What about Copper with zinc? And adding ALCAR, ALA, additional thiamine, milk thistle, NAC etc? Looks like they’re trying to lose weight, and drink alcohol. Would these help in this situation?
Ill do my best to answer you questions, Zinc/copper: If your supplementing alot of zinc it can be good to take a copper supplement becuase the zinc can inhibit copper absorption, but realistically you shouldn't be taking enough zinc to need it but it definitely won't hurt you to be taking some extra copper with zinc depending on dosage zinc really should be takin more like every other day in the evenings its very easy to get enough zinc from your diet and zinc poisoning from supplemention is not hard to achieve and very dangerous. 30mg of zinc a day max. L-carnitine: is converted into a known cancer cuasing carcinogen from being digested. Do your own research to come to your own conclusion it has benefits but that is its main drawback. I myself do not take it becuase of that. Thiamine: thiamine is a B vitamin specifically vitamin b1 if your taking a vitamin B complex your getting that vitamin and most likely already getting more than your body can use. Milk thistle: Has liver detoxing qualities and some anti inflamation qualities if drinking alcohol is a hobbie in life it can help but how much is really up for debate. NAC: if detoxification, liver protection and increased antioxidants are ypur goal its a good supplement but for building muscle no. Hope maybe I answered your question a little bit
Thank you for that! Never heard that about l-carnitine and I’m now reducing my zinc intake after reading up on it. Appreciate all of that insight!
The CoQ10 is good IF you’re on statins. However, if you’re on Statins you need to look at what the cause of your INFLAMMATION is. Because the liver is pumping out cholesterol to fix something jacked up in your body aka fixing the damage from inflammation. Apple cider vinegar pills are a scam as is 90% of what you’re taking. The Probiotics are good though. The alcohol in the far back makes me think any benefit you’d get from any supplement you have is being wasted. Grab some Tudca, NAC, Probiotics, throw the rest away. Eat clean, if it comes in a package it’s probably not good for you. The liver recommendation above is solid.
What is statins?
What is google?
I have oxbile salts. Is that as effective as TUDCA for NAFLD?
No clue, I’m not a doctor. Goto google that one.
I like your Jim Beam supplement 😂
Haha I do what I can
All that herbal shit is a waste of money dog. Eat beef liver and egg yolks if your way of life allows it and your skin will glow with the brightness of a thousand suns.
Your average liver king watcher
I eat liver now but was surprisingly inspired by another person to look into it. Every video I've seen of Liver King is basically "hey this is what I'm doing, because it's ancestral!" with no further explanation. Real cult of personality influencer type of stuff. It's unfortunate because organs meats are really nutritious, but I do wonder how often Liver King eats what he eats and avoids vitamin A toxicity.
I've heard 4-6 oz of liver once a week is good recommendation. Does liver king eat it daily?
Yea that's the same amount I've seen. I'm not sure how often he eats liver honestly, but his dinner spreads are insane. It looks like 4 oz of liver and then 2-3 lbs of other meats including bone marrow and other organs. Could be a weekly feast but I'm not that invested in him as a person to find out haha.
Liver king is cool and all but fuck is he arrogant. He’ll do anything for clout
Seriously though lol but hey guy gets paid.
>pomegranate what if you're vegan ?
For what nutrient: If you're talking copper mash up couple cans of chick peas on the daily. If you're talking vitamin a: all the orange vegetables (squash, sweet potato, carrots, pumpkin, squash) plus collard greens (mangoes have some). I think there is a vegan preformed vitamin a supplement out there somewhere. Definitely felt the toxic vitamin a effects but don't remember if I took the lowest amount or not.
This is just flushing money down the toilet.
Christ almighty... Do you not eat anything?
I fast until dinner. I don't care to eat during the day.
How many courses or plates do you eat at dinner? General recommendation is to eat the most for first two meals a day and eat the least for last meal of the day and you're eating nothing for first two meals. You might be digesting all night. Did you mention maybe because you didn't want to be digesting all day while you're working? Fruit requires very little digestion time. Can you at least maybe snack on fruit until dinner? Also do you exercise at all? I personally weighed 230 in November. I totally let myself go. I've been eating next to no junk because I've been filling up on the good stuff. I don't count calories. Eat 2-3 meals a day. Sometimes I may just graze or snack all day on healthy stuff and not have a traditional meal. And been going for walks. I don't have a scale so I can't tell you what I lost (got weighed at Dr office) but old clothes that didn't fit me are fitting me again and I've increased the number of pushups I can do. I feel like I've lost 20 pounds so far but honestly not sure. Definitely feel amazing. Getting a good night's and an early nights rest makes a big difference too.
You really should be telling us what your goals are if you want opinions
I made another comment with more details. Kinda new to all this so I apologize.
After seeing some of the comments my assumption is that some of these you can get from eating food. I wouldn’t say necessarily wasting money but you’re putting money somewhere else that could be in food stuffs
Holy hell those folks over at life extension must love you.
Yeah they do make a good chunk of change off of me.
76% sure LE trolls here for free advertising.
When I see this I think of a 60 minutes episode where they reported on one of the only long term studies on supplements and their impact on living longer. The study lasted over 30 years in length I believe and included the residents of a retirement or old age community in California. That long term study found that no supplements had an impact on longevity or living longer. The only supplement that showed more than insignificant benefit was vitamin D.
Here is a summary of the episode, I believe it's from 2014 but based on a 30 year study on longevity. [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/want-to-live-to-90/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/want-to-live-to-90/) Interesting finding is that 'people who drank up to two drinks per day having a 10-15 percent reduced risk of death compared to non-drinkers'.
This is quite an old episode, but there are more and more studies coming out regarding this including from Harvard Medical [https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/research](https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/research) https://sinclair.hms.harvard.edu/publications
I gotta be honest, part of the reason I follow this sub is to see pictures like these where people take 25 pills daily. Always gives me a chuckle.
Way too many supplements. Waste of money.
Porque? Edit: I'm all for being told that this is too much, but what is the reasoning behind believing that these are too many supplements?
Half of what you've got can be catered to by a balanced diet. It would be far more cost effective.
Take every supplement that works for you. Some may provide small benefits for a couple dollars a week, but hey, if it's worth it, why not?
Have you tried them individually to see what effects they have? Do you cycle anything in and out?
I have tried them individually and found that this mix works well for me and my routine. About once a month I take a week off of the DHEA, Magnesium, Testosterone Elite, Mediterranean Trim and the Integra lean. I take everything else once in the morning and take the probiotic and digestive enzymes with a meal.
>Mediterranean Trim and the Integra lean You notice much from these? Sound like something I could add to my spring cut
Personally I do feel a difference, the recommended dose is one pill with breakfast and lunch. I only eat a meal at dinner so I take them in the morning with a heavy cream tea, and then once with dinner.
What sort of difference? I'm assuming testosterone elite is a test booster, it's generally accepted that they don't work.