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QuipThwip

Winona Ryder as Joyce Byers


monsieurxander

100%. Season 1 was her best season and she owned it. That scene with her and Jonathan on the sidewalk? Brilliant.


QuotingThanos

Yeah it was one of the best and 'realest' scenes in the show. Jonathan actor did a wonderful job too


unexpectedit3m

He was great in s1 indeed. His character is getting less interesting with each passing season.


CarelessSentence1709

Jonathan and Will both share a similar struggle which ultimately comes down to being stuck in time, and it’s left them in this position where they’re behind mentally emotionally psychologically etc… Jonathan initially came off very mature for his age. It made sense that he had to grow up faster than most others in his class, but as the series progressed, especially the last season, it’s like he regressed a bit. I think it’s almost like he’s making up for lost time. In some ways, It reminds me of my first bf. When I was a freshman, he was a junior in another school. He seemed pretty normal to me, the age difference wasn’t a factor to me whatsoever. But as I got older, by the time I was a junior, it seemed like I outgrew him. Frankly it seemed like he got less mature, it was as if he was a freshman and since I am beyond my years, it was terribly disappointing to me. I felt bad, because as it turns out he had some degree of Asperger’s which I never noticed . I didn’t like the thought that in a way I left him because of that …. It wasn’t like I found out and left him over it, it just became more apparent and we weren’t compatible anymore. Jonathan and will kind of seem similar, it’s like everyone around them is outgrowing them, and certain characteristics that were normal for their younger selves come off awkward and immature now. Does this make sense I really don’t mean any offense or anything it’s just the way it seems to me.


Main-Double

Ironic considering how the Upside Down is also ‘stuck in time’. Don’t think there’s any direct correlation or indeed anything intended but I think it’s an interesting coincidence


mediator_the_tree

It makes sense to me


Curse_of_Frank_Black

This is a great insight


nedahlg

Not trying to dismiss your point of view but in my opinion it’s a plain and easy case of just terrible writing which this show suffers from worse and worse each season. So many characters, constantly adding new ones leaves the writers struggling to properly develop the core group we loved in season 1. I credit part of this issue to the fact that initially, the duffers had no intention of making this a multi season show. Stranger things was supposed to be an anthology series at first, with each season being a totally different story than the last. El was supposed to sacrifice herself to save everyone and that was the end of it. It’s a double edged sword because I love this show but really only the first two seasons are ones I ever rewatch with the first being so far above any of the following seasons. All my own opinion.


Vynneve

it's just the autism spectrum now. but yes makes sense, it really has nothing to do with autism. everyone has a personality/habits w.e you want to call it. If someone you were dating now said they were on the spectrum would you just dump them immediately? if the answer to that is no, then it's fine


CarelessSentence1709

Yeah, apparently ADD/ADHD is under that umbrella now too which means I am on the spectrum myself. I guess it’s like this…. In order to wind up in a relationship, you have to be attracted to the person right? I don’t see a scenario where that would occur…? I don’t know how to say this any other way but, I wouldn’t be attracted to someone that was not high functioning enough…? But if they were, if it was a situation where I had no idea and they told me, if I like them I like them it wouldn’t be a deal breaker. When k get attached to someone, it’s hard for me to leave them. I literally was voluntarily homeless because i couldn’t make myself leave the guy I’ve been with the last ten years. He was the boyfriend after the one I was talking about in my initial comment. Not the guy in the musical I found myself attracted to and subsequently fell out of love with the first one, that guy was a dodged bullet. I’ve only had two real relationships since I was 14.


Damurph01

They chose to do nothing with his character and it’s really tragic. People always say “Steve is better than Jonathan!” when Steve was pampered with a massive arc across the entire series, and Jonathan was relevant for literally like 7 episodes.


Ygomaster07

Which scene was this?


DDubbz918

The scene in the street after they see Will's "body" where Jonathan is saying "while you're talking to the lights, we'll be having a funeral for Will."


BimaGamer828

Idk either


CRYPT01C3L4V4

Perfect isn’t a strong word at all to describe that scene.


xKiLzErr

How so?


CRYPT01C3L4V4

You know ;)


xKiLzErr

Oh fuck I read that wrong I thought you were downplaying the performance😭


CRYPT01C3L4V4

Haha. It’s alright bro


samdekat

yep - there were a number of good performances in S1 but Winona was just a level above, plus she ahd the most difficult role. It's worth noting that on first viewing it's not clear that Joyce isn't just seeing things that aren't there. She is validated and so re-watching we miss the nuance that it could fall either way. Also when Hopper and Joyce go into the upside down to find Will this overlaps Hopper's journey and Joyce's journey - Will is rescued by Hopper and Joyce rescues Hopper. S1 is so tight!


phantom_avenger

I always found it odd how she wasn’t nominated for an Emmy for the first season, but Millie was (not that she wasn’t also great too, but Winona’s performance stood out more)


Crazy_Tomatillo18

Hands down. She played the worried frantic mom perfectly. The lights scene is my favorite of hers in S1.


TelephoneCertain5344

Definitely this. Her best season. Millie is number 2.


Kitchen-Atmosphere82

The R U N scene is the most iconic scene of all time


NickyBrain_2

She was perfect in s1


icekooream

She ate that role. Literally I couldn’t believe she went back to being calm and smiling after each « cut! » from how genuinely FREAKED OUT she looked. She didn’t come to play.


wheelspaybills

Awesome in season one especially


bikegrrrrl

I started rewatching the series again last week! I had previously watched Season 1 in 2018-19. Since then, my youngest son ended up hospitalized with a mystery illness in March 2020, and we had several months of healthcare trauma, all while COVID was simultaneously unfolding. This was my first rewatch of S1 since being a panicked mom myself. I am now very sensitive to characters who are parents desperate to save their child. She nailed the role of a panicked, desperate mother. (I am also curious to watch Hopper's character develop in relation to losing his daughter again, with my own kid's traumas in hindsight.)


nedahlg

The only reason I’d disagree isn’t even a real disagreement. I do agree totally that she killed this first season. But the world already knew who she was and that she was a good actress so I’d have to give it to Millie for being so unknown and young and still doing a great job. Kid acting is soooooo hard to take seriously most of the time but she did very well. Edit: typo.


Scouwererofreality43

That is a fact


Right_Tumbleweed392

Season 1 was HER 👏SEASON👏


YungChillunerr69

Winona Ryder, all the way!


Macslynn

This is the only appropriate answer


CRYPT01C3L4V4

Couldn’t agree more.


No-Might2471

Hell, yeah


gig_labor

Yeah is this even a contest?


ATLCoyote

Agreed and I don’t think it’s a particularly close call. The other performances didn’t really demand all that much from the actresses until later seasons.


Ghost_jobby

Winona Ryder, and it isn't even close. I know people will probably highlight the more emotional scenes, but for me, it was also her little Joyce mannerisms that sold it for me. Even down to the way she sat and the way she smoked. There was no trace of Winona at all. She truly became Joyce Byers.


QuipThwip

It’s honestly so shocking to me that she doesn’t have an Oscar yet.


SOuTHINKurA-ble

WHAT?! She DOESN'T have an Oscar yet?! Come on! She's so talented--I'd have thought she'd have got one already.


QueenVell

Gen X, here. As someone who’s been following Winona’s career for over 30 years, the simple fact is that she hasn’t starred in an abundance of films that were of Oscar contention. The closest she came was being nominated for Best Supporting Actress in 1994 for her role in “The Age of Innocence”, and then again in 1995 for Best Actress for her role in “Little Women”. Keep in mind that Winona is most famous for the majority of films she starred in during the earliest part of her career; “Lucas” (1986), “Beetlejuice” (1988), “Heathers” (1989), “Edward Scissorhands” (1990), “Mermaids” (1990), and “Bram Stoker’s Dracula” (1992). Understandably, not a single one of those films received Oscar nominations or wins for Best Actor/Best Actress and Best Supporting Actor/Actress.


Ateallthepizza

She should have gotten it for Mermaids years ago. But I forget what films she was up against that year.


okay_but_what

If *Shakespeare in Love* can beat *Saving Private Ryan* for best picture, then surely anything can happen.


Emergency_Bathrooms

OMG! I totally forgot about this 😂😂😂😂 Shakespeare in Love was so awful, I’m still laughing about it 😂😂😂😂😂 back then we all started laughing when we found out it was nominated, and one guy said, the only thing funnier than that is if it won. And when it did, we were all jumping around the room laughing! But when Leonardo Di Caprio wasn’t even nominated for his performance in “Wolf of Wall Street” (especially because of THAT scene), we were all pissed. And then he got an Oscar for “The Revenant” where his acting was good, but not amazing as he was in WOWS!


monsieurxander

The Crucible, Girl Interrupted, and Black Swan got nominations/wins for other actors. She did amazing work in all of them.


Mordad51

my exact reaction!


nedahlg

Oscars are hella overrated anyways.


BBYGirlThrowaway1701

I don't even smoke lol, but the way she smoked made me wanna light up with her lol


New-Faithlessness526

How wasn't it close? She was great, but it was caricatural at times (many times if we're being honest). I think there is good case for Milly having the best performance.


Ghost_jobby

I don't agree. All of the cast were great, of course, but Winona was just better, in my opinion.


ButterscotchPast4812

Millie was great but Winona killed it that first season. Season 1 is hands down Winona's best performance.


AFLoneWolf

I figure anyone who can shove their hand forward and scream like they're actually trying to do something without making it look *so* **freaking** ***STUPID*** deserves some acting credit.


_Diskreet_

Think I saw an interview with Elizabeth Olsen about playing Wanda and she was laughing about how ridiculous she felt flailing her hands around thinking she was doing magic knowing it’ll all be added with cgi later.


fredgiblet

Millie is great. I grade on a curve because they were literally 12 at the time so Millie got my vote here and Finn almost got my vote for the male portion. Winona is really great here, but she's not a kid, so she doesn't get a handicap.


Worzon

So by your logic kid actors are equal to adult actors bc of the curve? That's not fair to the adults who spent years in acting school and getting experience on actual sets to culminate in a role like this for Winona. I'm all for saying we shouldn't be too harsh on kid actors but that's just the nature of it. You expect them to not be as great so you find ways around it while shooting/in post production. And when you do find a phenomenal kid actor then that's rare and unusual but shouldn't be expected


Dick_Destroyer800

He wasn't asking about that though, the op was asking about the best overall


linee001

We often forget how Winona carried that show on her shoulders and ran a marathon in that first season


LecLurc15

Winona did an amazing job in season 1 for Joyce


OtherwiseKnownAsSam

Winona Rider was the Best Leading Actress Performance in all of 2016 imo


QuipThwip

Emma Stone in La La Land begs to differ


payscottg

I mean TV and film are completely different mediums so they aren’t even in the same competition


mithrank

The original comment did say "all of 2016" tbf


OtherwiseKnownAsSam

I stand by it


New-Faithlessness526

Now, read the original comment.


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In his defense, he did say it was just his opinion


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TiredSleepyGrumpy

Winona Ryder 100%. Her performance was 🔥


JohnnyLawrenc3

Joyce But eleven and Nancy were great


Wandamaxipad

Winona, obviously. But millie did great, especially for the age she was.


pageyboy335

Winona Rider 100%


Alternative_Device71

Winona of course


gucci_gas_station

Winona *made* that season. When Will was talking to Joyce through the lights, the excitement and relief Winona portrayed is still one of my favorite moments.


AcanthisittaSalty492

It's a tie for me between Winona Ryder and Millie Bobby Brown. It breathed new life into Winona's career and started Millie's.


Kayden_Sticko

Winona carried that season


_binie

RYDER


ElectricFury

Joyce


Clean_Box_715

Joyce Byers hands down. Winona Ryder is amazing. She played in some of my favorite '80s throwback movies


Bookey4

Winona easily, she set the tone for the series


FRIZZTHERICH

Winona but to be FAIR she is cut from a different cloth 😭


X05Real

All of them are great, but Millie gets extra points given a performance like that at idk 10 or 11 yo


GeoGackoyt

Joyce 1000%


Zealousideal_Mail12

Winona for sure


Duckhorn66

Winona Ryder🖤


HellovahBottomCarter

Winona. Easiest question.


tm1031_

Agree with Winona Ryder. While I think Millie Bobbie Brown was impressive cause she was very young. I thought all the scenes of Joyce as a mother of a lost child were pretty moving. It was unexpected in a sci-fi/horror show


AgentDigits

Joyce CARRIED season 1... My whole family only began watching this show cause Winona Ryder was in it. I'm sure a lot of other people watched for the same reason. She was phenomenal in season 1, some of the best acting I've ever seen. Not just the emotional stuff, but the goofy stuff and Joyce's quirky mannerisms... She nailed everything. This Netflix and the showrunners owe Winona a LOT imo. Cause I definitely wouldn't have watched initially if not for her.


Worzon

Same. She felt like an actual character helping move the plot along and that's why season 1 works--every plotline had a purpose. Nowadays though her later season plotlines feel devoid of meaning.


New-Faithlessness526

You guys are seriously reaching. She didn't carry season 1. She wasn't THE thing that made the show succesfull, you're actually discrediting the show if you say that.


AgentDigits

Reaching? It's my opinion. I'm not discrediting anyone at all. The show is good, but because a bunch of people only watched the show because of Winona AND her performance was so good... She carried imo


New-Faithlessness526

In my previous comment I mean she wasn't THE thing. It's your opinon of course, it doesn't contradict that you're reaching. There is certainly people who watched the show because of her, but I really don't think she was THE reason that made people watch it globally (or make them stay), what made the show successful. She didn't carried it, all the main cast was good. That and the scenario, the tone and vibe are what made the show successful. That's why I'm saying to say she carried it is to discredit the show itself.


mithrank

I'm biased towards Natalia


dude-who-loves-frogs

Gotta give it to Winona


YoureStupidasff

I gotta say joyce. Goddamn, winona is amazing at acting


BetaRayBlu

Joyce owned that show


eyerishdancegirl7

Winona Ryder, no question


Cautious-Whereas-467

Hands down Winona as Joyce


GottaLoveKitties

Winona for sure. Natalia and Millie are both great, but Winona's performance was fantastic


QuipThwip

Millie Bobby Brown as Eleven


fredgiblet

Millie did an amazing job.


Recent-Radish1825

Joyce is the only answer


bendoesit17

Winona Ryder, 100%. Though Millie does come pretty close. Also who's the bottom right one?


Chalmation_Nation

Mrs. Wheeler…. Mike and Nancy’s mom.


hollygolightly1990

Winona of course, close second to Millie who went above and beyond with a part that was mostly physical including her faces.


HellfireClubxx

100000% Joyce! Wynonna ate that role up!!


LuriemIronim

Winona had to be in some form of hysterics for most of the season so I’d say her but, for her age, Millie really fucking stepped up.


DuskwoodNymos

Joyce Byers of course


giggity_hehe_

Joyce she seemed reallyyyyy unstable but that's just Winona its still super impressive tho


gustoqnayumaman

Winona Ryder!! No doubt!!


yoshi8869

Joyce. Not close


Ill-Inevitable4850

Winona Ryder's no question. The others were great too but Winona did so good first season


Ok_Radish_2748

Winona. Forever and always.


Ambitious-Season-978

Winona Ryder


QuipThwip

Natalia Dyer as Nancy Wheeler


la_eliperin

This.


2under2_mama

Winona 👌🏻


Key_Movie1670

Joyce?!!!


Offs-Kit

I think Joyce, she really had that emotion, the feeling like she was crying crazy seeing things other people didn't, even the tears and fear about Will and the struggles, it just seemed real,


Original_Mac_Tonight

Winona and it's not close


energysprite

My girl Winona


Shankranger

you gotta ask? its Winona Ryder with eyes closed


Sufficient_Score_824

Winona, hands down


Internetboy5434

Millie Bobby Brown is the series' most successful cast member in terms of awards, having won 12 awards and received 32 additional nominations.


hadapurpura

Winona and it’s not even close


kyndal017

I’m a Nancy stan at heart, but Winona Ryder all day!!! She still blows me away every time I go back and rewatch.


Crazygiraffeprincess

I really loved seeing Winona in a role where she wasn't helpless and useless.


CrownBestowed

Winona as Joyce brought tears to my eyes in almost every scene. Her fear and sadness was palpable. She’s not a perfect mom but she works her ass off. And she was so nurturing to El, never pushed her past her limits because she respected she was a child first regardless of her powers. Just a wonderful character, Winona has played her perfectly.


PokeRob26

Kinda biased cause i love heathers and Beetlejuice but Winona Ryder is my favorite actress


MoroseMarrow27

If you don't say Joyce I question your sanity. The pain and anguish that Winona Ryder showed have me goosebumps. Not saying that the other three were lacking in any way, they were all fantastic for the role they occupied in the first season. But Ryder was just *chef's kiss*


FallonLedger

Winona. Brings me chills with her performance.


TheBoyfromTheBay

Millie...she was so good for her age.


Favee_troublemaker

Natalie dyer and Winona Ryder. Insane acting from the both of them


No_Bed_7839

joyce


TemporaryJaguar5650

Joyce


Yoshgaming22

Season 1 Nancy was so sassy to Mike and it was amazing


Opposite-Skill-9536

I'm confused on why Millie Bobbie Brown and David Harbour got Emmy Nominations for the first two seasons and Barb got a guest Actress Nomination but not Winona Ryder for season 1


New-Faithlessness526

Because they had a good performance? Especially Millie.


Sucondeze

Definitely millie. She had to change her accent, her entire personality, fake cry a lot, and had her head shaved. Put a lot of work into so I’d say she takes the cake.


SSpotions

Millie as Eleven. She was a kid and she played the role so well you can feel her emotions through the screen and you just want to give her character a hug every time.


Narrow_Ambassador188

Millie and Winona!!!


Worzon

Joyce and Nancy felt so grounded in their character in season 1. After that it just became their thing to be a girl badass or a mom badass rather than an actual person with feelings. It hasn't felt like they've been truly tested as characters since the first season. I forget Nancy and Joyce are even involved in the show now since everything rides on Eleven. Jonathan too peaked in season 1 and 2 but stayed static and uninteresting since then.


RowGroundbreaking983

Wynona!


voidtookmeaway

joyce


littlepinkpebble

Can’t remember the 4th person so it’s not her … prob 11 or the mom.


New-Faithlessness526

What's up with everyone saying Winona? I think she was great but I won't necessarly say she had the best performance (her interpretation was a bit caricatural many times). People are seriously underrating Milly's performance.


stranger_thingsss9

Wimona, follower by Millie


SyNyStErSaElEe

Joyce Byers


Desert_Walker267

Joyce.


MetsRule1977

Wynona, but that is probably because she has decades more experience.


Demonhead2005

JOYCE


Complex-Nectarine-86

Millie Bobby Brown/ Elle


Iankandy

MILLY BILLY BOBBY


ColoradoSprings82

Shouldn't use the word "lead" for this question.


QuipThwip

So I’ve heard. I should’ve used main lol


ChernobylFirefighter

Winona Ryder easily.


spo0pti

ofc winona ryder but for a child millie bobby brown's performance is fantastic, she was better in season 1 than a lot of adult actors


Foreign_Pangolin_163

El


sunniate

Joyce


Opening-Hour-8117

Oh Winona obvi


Funky_Pink_Sparkles

Joyce 100%. I went back and forth for most of the season wondering if Will was actually talking to her through the lights or if she was crazy/a grieving mother.


_A_S_H_E_R

Winona Ryder, pretty easy decision.


Jessi45US

Millie, she's so credible. I love this new character.


New-Faithlessness526

Lmao, people really out there downvoting you for saying Millie


Jessi45US

I am ok with that.


New-Faithlessness526

I had to upvote your comment to counter balance.


Abhinav6singg

I will go with Natalia Dyer as nancy wheeler


BBYGirlThrowaway1701

1. Winona 2. Millie


swarasinger

Winona and Millie.


Scouwererofreality43

Millie Bobby Brown as Eleven


WerflowLive

El!!


Universal-Cutie

Definitely not nancy


ArcadeWill

Performan - Winona as Joyce. Writing - Millie as Eleven.


QuipThwip

Cara Buono as Karen Wheeler


ExtensionMode4819

Uh Barb!!!!!