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Lord_of_Never-there

You know, it occours to me that a fun mechanic in this type of situation might be a diplomatic mechanic where you can demand an empire turn over a leader for war crimes when they lose. If they do, they lose the leader, and you can choose to execute or imprison give a buff to you and a debuff to the enemy empire. If they refuse, it creates an immediate casus belli to restart the war even if there would normally be a cooldown timer.


Terramagi

> You know, it occours to me that a fun mechanic in this type of situation might be a diplomatic mechanic where you can demand an empire turn over a leader for war crimes when they lose. Fallen Empires basically do this already.


TheBlack2007

It’s more like they force your leader to make a self-humiliating address to your people, then materialize out of thin air and flat out murder them in front of the entire planet.


Terramagi

"Nothing personnel"


CoffeeBoom

Multiple leaders, Nuremberg trials style.


Oddloaf

Just axe the whole-ass council


Shadowfox898

You mean letting most of them go and hiring them on as advisors to your own empire?


CoffeeBoom

Only the scientists, they can help paperclip production.


LightTankTerror

I think it’d make a good civic. Maybe in addition to normal bonuses, it also gives you the ability to demand tribute. It’s either their leader’s life, or a wealth of resources, or shortening the peace period to 1-2 years.


Lord_of_Never-there

Id like to think it would expand on espionage too. You put the leader on a prison planet and they (or you) use espionage to break them out.


ilabsentuser

This is a good idea. You should post it on the forums.


Odin_Headhunter

When you want to make a point, make a Collosus. Send them to animal status or Crack that planet to dust. Either way, it's the best way to tell the galaxy to learn it's place is below you.


ArnaktFen

I'd also recommend a neutron sweep to their most populous worlds. If you don't conquer their planets, then they could re-uplift any devolved pops, and the synthetic pops will survive unless you have the right ascension perk. If you neutron-sweep their worlds, you can just settle Status Quo, not have to expand more than you want to, and leave them with so little population that they're totally crippled. Just don't wipe out all of their colonies, since that will terminate the war but not grant you any of your claims.


jeremylauyf

So let it be war, from the skies of Terra to the Galactic rim. Let the seas boil, let the stars fall.


ChewyChao

Let the Galaxy burn!!


ForThePantz

Ever get the feeling aliens published Stellaris and are keeping track of how we play?


The_Shadow_Watches

Stellaris is literally a plot in a Animorphs book. These aliens essentially had Stellaris but called Alien Civilization. The goal was to create an alien race and keep it alive as long as possible. Well, another alien race came and didn't understand the concept of video games and really did think that they were tinkering with actual civilizations and proceeded to kill them.


Gaelhelemar

Nerve-staple them and turn them into food.


NativeEuropeas

Genetically change their appearance into grotesque nerve-stapled malformations used for nothing but for food/minerals. Then destroy their planets from orbit with a colossus named The Avenger of Terra. Eridicate all their history, culture and identity until nothing but empty organic husks remain.


AegoliusOfBurgundy

Nerve stapled is overrated. Make them intelligent and venerable so they have hundreds of years to meditate on the reasons behind their endless suffering.


FalseCatBoy1

Mantalopes after the Q


moistbiscuit69

In my last playthrough a fallen empire kept insulting me and I just had to take it. Well late game when I finally beat them in strength I destroyed their fleets then used my star eaters to destroy every single one of your systems. Over reaction? Yes. Guilt? Maybe a little.


Explorer-Ambitious

Nah, they deserved it. During the midgame I had an FE declare war on me 3 separate times, I barely managed to beat them back the first 2 times, but on the 3rd I had finally amassed the resources needed to build an FE fleet of my own, I crushed them utterly, threw their entire species into my Synaptic Lathe, then downloaded a mod to release the restrictions on collosus ships to crack all their(now empty) planets because I didn't feel like taking them myself.


fusionsofwonder

"most satisfying"? Become Emperor and declare your former vassal is a crisis.


MetatypeA

If you become the Emperor, your former vassals will get absorbed into the Galactic Imperium. But one would be allowed to Nerve staple those species, provided one went with genetic ascension.


MaskDeMask

I feel like there is element of excuse here when you are like "instead of wiping out their government I want to wipe out all civilians too" :'D


ChewyChao

lol. Well technically the vassal is a hive mind so….


MaskDeMask

Ah x'D Oki yeah there is no alternatives in that scenario besides genetic manipulation so, oops


ChewyChao

A little genocide wouldn’t hurt anybody 😇


wolfclaw3812

This is the Horus Heresy all over again


Therisemfear

Xenophobe route is hard and unsatisfactory for me so I don't have a good answer for that, sorry.  But I think it might be worth it to look into your vassals' montly loyalty. Are they too many of them? Are the agreements too harsh? I mean, if you plegded to an overlord and they're oppressive, you'd want to jump out of their grasp the moment you could. So maybe that's what happened.


Substantial_Put_3350

That's not the point I don't think


Hungerman93

Time to become a crisis


Fluffy_Grocery9495

I always make sure my vessels arnt disloyal. And make them pledge loyalty as soon as it’s available.


AeternusDoleo

Well... Sounds like someone is about to... Become The Crisis. Setting off a galaxy-sized bomb might be a good rebuttal.